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  1. Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    When I try to configure either in root or as normal users, then I got
    lock out of XaAuthority. I had do some tweak to get it work against.
    Also Wide-screen mode do not work. I guest I have to wait couple more
    day for the fix to come out huh...

  2. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    Luan Pham wrote:

    > When I try to configure either in root or as normal users, then I got
    > lock out of XaAuthority.


    What exactly is it that you are trying to configure? System-wide
    configuration either way requires root privileges.

    > I had do some tweak to get it work against. Also Wide-screen mode do not
    > work.


    That would depend on the video driver for your hardware, and if you're using
    the freely downloadable version of Mandriva 2008.1, then you won't have the
    proprietary video drivers. That means that you'll have to get them
    yourself from the video adapter's manufacturer's website.

    Also, be advised that you can download them as a regular user, but that you
    need root privileges in order to install them.

    > I guest I have to wait couple more day for the fix to come out huh...


    It would of course also be a lot more helpful if you were to tell us what
    hardware you are using... ;-)

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    Aragorn
    (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

  3. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:24:39 GMT, Luan Pham wrote:
    > When I try to configure either in root or as normal users, then I got
    > lock out of XaAuthority.


    You may want to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

    Since you provided no information as to logged in as, command executed
    or resulting messages, my SWAG would be to delete
    .Xauthority
    .xsession-errors
    in the affected accounts, log out/in

    I have 2008.1 installed and do not have your problem.

    I click up xterm, su - root all the time when doing root
    activities.

    Then again, default runlevel is 3, /etc/hosts has a fixed ip,
    I never use a gui login for root, I have
    disabled several services on boot which may hide the problem
    atieventsd
    avahi-daemon
    ct_sync
    dm
    fuse
    ksysguard
    lisa
    mandi
    netconsole

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  4. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:49:38 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:

    > Since you provided no information as to logged in as, command executed
    > or resulting messages, my SWAG would be to delete
    > .Xauthority
    > .xsession-errors
    > in the affected accounts, log out/in


    I try to reconfigure my video cards, since it have problem with wide-
    screen display. After I test display with 1440 x 900 setting, and I try
    to log out as normal users. When I try to startx against, then I run
    into that error.

  5. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:41:07 GMT, Luan Pham wrote:
    > On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:49:38 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:
    >
    >> Since you provided no information as to logged in as, command executed
    >> or resulting messages, my SWAG would be to delete
    >> .Xauthority
    >> .xsession-errors
    >> in the affected accounts, log out/in

    >
    > I try to reconfigure my video cards, since it have problem with wide-
    > screen display. After I test display with 1440 x 900 setting, and I try
    > to log out as normal users. When I try to startx against, then I run
    > into that error.


    before running startx do the following:
    rm .Xauthority
    rm .xsession-errors
    rm .serverauth*
    startx

    if fails, we need to see your error message. You can do a
    cat > err.msg
    (here is where you type what is on the screen)
    ^d <======= that is a control d

    Once you get back in Pan,
    post err.msg and .xsession-errors

    Do not attach them.

  6. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    Aragorn wrote:
    > Luan Pham wrote:
    >
    >> When I try to configure either in root or as normal users, then I got
    >> lock out of XaAuthority.

    >
    > What exactly is it that you are trying to configure? System-wide
    > configuration either way requires root privileges.
    >
    >> I had do some tweak to get it work against. Also Wide-screen mode do not
    >> work.

    >
    > That would depend on the video driver for your hardware, and if you're using
    > the freely downloadable version of Mandriva 2008.1, then you won't have the
    > proprietary video drivers. That means that you'll have to get them
    > yourself from the video adapter's manufacturer's website.
    >
    > Also, be advised that you can download them as a regular user, but that you
    > need root privileges in order to install them.
    >
    >> I guest I have to wait couple more day for the fix to come out huh...

    >
    > It would of course also be a lot more helpful if you were to tell us what
    > hardware you are using... ;-)
    >


    Aragorn! Good to see you back, Guy! You have been missed, by me if by no
    one else!

    TJ

  7. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    TJ wrote:

    > Aragorn! Good to see you back, Guy! You have been missed, by me if by no
    > one else!


    Nice to see you again as well, TJ! :-) Well, you know, I was in the
    neighborhood, so I thought I'd drop by...

    (P.S.: My name isn't Guy, hehe...! p)

    --
    Aragorn
    (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

  8. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    On 2008-04-11, TJ wrote:
    > Aragorn wrote:
    >> Luan Pham wrote:


    [...]

    > Aragorn! Good to see you back, Guy! You have been missed, by me if by no
    > one else!
    >
    > TJ


    .... and a Welcome Back from me too! )

    --
    -- ^^^^^^^^^^
    -- Whiskers
    -- ~~~~~~~~~~

  9. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    Whiskers wrote:

    > On 2008-04-11, TJ wrote:
    >> Aragorn wrote:
    >>> Luan Pham wrote:

    >
    > [...]
    >
    >> Aragorn! Good to see you back, Guy! You have been missed, by me if by no
    >> one else!
    >>
    >> TJ

    >
    > ... and a Welcome Back from me too! )


    Much appreciated! :-)

    From the looks of it, many of the fine people who were here when I left are
    still residing in this corner of the internet - as I had hoped! ;-) Lots
    of familiar names... :-)

    By the way, I have some other news too, albeit totally unrelated to my
    return. :-) It's just that - if you remember - before I left, there was a
    brief query here on whether anyone had seen or heard from Peter T. Breuer
    anymore. Well, it turns out that "the guru of gurus" is alive and well -
    to the joy of some, and perhaps to the dismay of others.

    When doing some research regarding my ongoing Xen/Gentoo project - oh, I'll
    be telling you guys all about that later, if you're interested ;-) - I
    found that the illustrious /PTB/ was active in a few newsgroups only a few
    months ago. I do however seem to remember that they were not GNU/Linux
    newsgroups but rather generic UNIX groups. ;-)

    Anyway, just thought I'd share this with you all. :-)

    --
    Aragorn
    (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

  10. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    On 2008-04-12, Aragorn wrote:
    > Whiskers wrote:
    >
    >> On 2008-04-11, TJ wrote:
    >>> Aragorn wrote:
    >>>> Luan Pham wrote:

    >>
    >> [...]
    >>
    >>> Aragorn! Good to see you back, Guy! You have been missed, by me if by no
    >>> one else!
    >>>
    >>> TJ

    >>
    >> ... and a Welcome Back from me too! )

    >
    > Much appreciated! :-)
    >
    > From the looks of it, many of the fine people who were here when I left are
    > still residing in this corner of the internet - as I had hoped! ;-) Lots
    > of familiar names... :-)
    >
    > By the way, I have some other news too, albeit totally unrelated to my
    > return. :-) It's just that - if you remember - before I left, there was a
    > brief query here on whether anyone had seen or heard from Peter T. Breuer
    > anymore. Well, it turns out that "the guru of gurus" is alive and well -
    > to the joy of some, and perhaps to the dismay of others.
    >
    > When doing some research regarding my ongoing Xen/Gentoo project - oh, I'll
    > be telling you guys all about that later, if you're interested ;-) -


    I daresay there would be some interst.

    > I
    > found that the illustrious /PTB/ was active in a few newsgroups only a few
    > months ago. I do however seem to remember that they were not GNU/Linux
    > newsgroups but rather generic UNIX groups. ;-)
    >
    > Anyway, just thought I'd share this with you all. :-)


    Intersting )

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  11. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    Aragorn wrote:
    > Whiskers wrote:
    >
    >> ... and a Welcome Back from me too! )

    >
    > Much appreciated! :-)
    >
    > From the looks of it, many of the fine people who were here when I left are
    > still residing in this corner of the internet - as I had hoped! ;-) Lots
    > of familiar names... :-)
    >


    I haven't seen anything from some of the, um, "not so fine" names for
    some time, either. Actually, it's been refreshingly civil around here
    the last few months.

    > By the way, I have some other news too, albeit totally unrelated to my
    > return. :-) It's just that - if you remember - before I left, there was a
    > brief query here on whether anyone had seen or heard from Peter T. Breuer
    > anymore. Well, it turns out that "the guru of gurus" is alive and well -
    > to the joy of some, and perhaps to the dismay of others.
    >
    > When doing some research regarding my ongoing Xen/Gentoo project - oh, I'll
    > be telling you guys all about that later, if you're interested ;-) - I
    > found that the illustrious /PTB/ was active in a few newsgroups only a few
    > months ago. I do however seem to remember that they were not GNU/Linux
    > newsgroups but rather generic UNIX groups. ;-)
    >
    > Anyway, just thought I'd share this with you all. :-)
    >

    I had a disturbing run-in with PTB several years ago, but it was my own
    fault that I let him get to me. All I will say is that it was a time in
    my life of great personal loss, and I was particularly sensitive right
    then. He wouldn't push my buttons the same way again. That said, I'm
    just as happy he's gone his own way.

    TJ

  12. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    TJ wrote:

    > Aragorn wrote:
    >
    >> From the looks of it, many of the fine people who were here when I left
    >> are still residing in this corner of the internet - as I had hoped! ;-)
    >> Lots of familiar names... :-)

    >
    > I haven't seen anything from some of the, um, "not so fine" names for
    > some time, either. Actually, it's been refreshingly civil around here
    > the last few months.


    Oh, that is good to hear as well.

    Well, I am not a confrontational person, and I'm always willing to _reason_
    with someone, as I prefer to be constructive and reach a consensus rather
    than having to resort to /killfiling./

    Still, I have come to realize - unfortunately a bit too late - that any
    attempts to reason with some people are better left unexplored as it causes
    more harm than good. :-/

    >> By the way, I have some other news too, albeit totally unrelated to my
    >> return. :-) It's just that - if you remember - before I left, there was
    >> a brief query here on whether anyone had seen or heard from Peter T.
    >> Breuer anymore. Well, it turns out that "the guru of gurus" is alive and
    >> well - to the joy of some, and perhaps to the dismay of others.

    >
    > I had a disturbing run-in with PTB several years ago, but it was my own
    > fault that I let him get to me.


    I remember you telling me about this, yes. Yet I cannot remember your
    actual run-in with the man - I do however remember run-ins between /PTB/
    and other /A.O.L.M/ residents - so I presume this must have happened in the
    timespan between my initial departure from Usenet (as BeoWulf) and my
    return as Aragorn.

    > All I will say is that it was a time in my life of great personal loss,
    > and I was particularly sensitive right then.


    Oh, bear no mistake, my friend: I too have had my run-ins with Peter, but
    when I confronted him with why and how I was insulted by the harshness of
    his words, he did apologize to me right away.

    > He wouldn't push my buttons the same way again. That said, I'm
    > just as happy he's gone his own way.


    Well, Peter's social skills may have been lacking - there was suspicion that
    he may have suffered from Asperger Syndrome himself, and he certainly
    seemed to have a large ego - but all in all, Peter's knowledge of computer
    technology and GNU/Linux internals was a tremendous source of inspiration
    for many, including myself.

    I was already quite GNU/Linux-savvy back when I first subscribed
    to /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ because I had started using GNU/Linux several
    months before I even had internet at home.

    I also never had the kind of Windows-conditioning that the average newbie
    has, since I had previously been using OS/2 and MS-DOS, and only had used
    NT 4.0 for about two years, and not even wholeheartedly. My vantage has
    always been that it must be I who decides on what operating system I want
    to use, not the hardware vendor.

    In addition, I also had some minor UNIX experience from beforehand, and all
    three of the aforementioned were factors that allowed me to quickly learn
    about GNU/Linux. Yet, in all honesty, I cannot deny that I have learned a
    great deal more from simply reading /PTB's/ posts. ;-)

    --
    Aragorn
    (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

  13. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    Whiskers wrote:

    > On 2008-04-12, Aragorn wrote:
    >
    >> When doing some research regarding my ongoing Xen/Gentoo project - oh,
    >> I'll be telling you guys all about that later, if you're interested ;-) -

    >
    > I daresay there would be some interst.


    Well, at this stage it is still an ongoing project as I have had neither the
    time nor the motivation to finish off the install. There is a lot
    involved, including some serious bughunting - which in itself requires some
    source code modification [1] for my particular hardware as well as a
    mandatory manual post-configuration edit of a kernel /.config/ file - and I
    have eventually decided to wait until the Gentoo 2008.0 release is
    official.

    At this stage, Gentoo 2008.0 is still in beta-1 stage - they are about a
    month behind schedule as the official release was supposed to be on March
    31st - and eventhough one can theoretically install using an older Live CD
    and then upgrade via the /emerge/ tool, I believe there still is a
    difference between such an approach and a blank install from a new release.

    See, when you update your Gentoo installation, you essentially pull in newer
    packages, which themselves may be quite stable, but may still break some
    base-layout organization or the concurrent existence of conflicting
    packages on your system.

    Gentoo's upgrade schedule is typically seemless and relies on pulling in
    upgraded packages which may come on a daily basis. As such, Gentoo doesn't
    officially have "versions", but quite often this theory doesn't agree with
    practice, e.g. when a newer version of /gcc/ or /glibc/ has become listed
    as "stable", introducing some major configuration differences to the new
    "default" layout. A new release is therefore most likely better tested and
    will result in a cleaner build.

    If there really is some interest in my Xen/Gentoo endeavor, then I will post
    my final configuration and what I have all had to do in order to get there
    on this group as well. I know that such an interest already exists over
    in /alt.os.linux.gentoo/ as I have already briefly discussed several issues
    with regard to my installation plans there with someone interested in
    setting up a similar - yet in other ways even more complex - system for
    himself. ;-)

    [1] I'm not a programmer, although I have done some minor programming many,
    many moons ago - using DOS batch files (for which I had a compiler/linker),
    interpreted/sequential BASIC, TurboPascal, DBASE IV, and WordPerfect 5.x
    and Lotus 1-2-3 macros on DOS and in OS/2 DOS-compatibility sessions, using
    COBOL and assembler on UNIX, and using ReXX on OS/2 - but a failure to
    build the XenLinux unprivileged domain kernel due to a bug in a source code
    file led me to a workaround - found via the Gentoo newsgroup and the Gentoo
    forums - by a small hack of the offending source code. ;-)

    This bug, by the way, was actually a routine pertaining to Intel-brand
    processors and which prevented the kernel from getting built on my AMD
    Opteron system unless I were to disable either 32-bit compatibility or
    multiprocessing support, both of which I need. ;-)

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    Aragorn
    (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

  14. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    On 2008-04-12, Aragorn wrote:
    > Whiskers wrote:
    >
    >> On 2008-04-12, Aragorn wrote:


    [...]

    > See, when you update your Gentoo installation, you essentially pull in newer
    > packages, which themselves may be quite stable, but may still break some
    > base-layout organization or the concurrent existence of conflicting
    > packages on your system.


    [...]

    That's the sort of worry that's stopped me from moving to a 'rolling
    upgrade' distro, so far; but I do like the idea of not having to reinstall
    and start from scratch every year or so.

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    -- ^^^^^^^^^^
    -- Whiskers
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  15. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    Whiskers wrote:

    > On 2008-04-12, Aragorn wrote:
    >
    >> See, when you update your Gentoo installation, you essentially pull in
    >> newer packages, which themselves may be quite stable, but may still break
    >> some base-layout organization or the concurrent existence of conflicting
    >> packages on your system.


    I mentioned /gcc/ and /glibc,/ but PAM is also something tricky in this
    respect.

    > [...]
    >
    > That's the sort of worry that's stopped me from moving to a 'rolling
    > upgrade' distro, so far; but I do like the idea of not having to reinstall
    > and start from scratch every year or so.


    Well, my intent is not to actually upgrade so much. I believe in "if it
    ain't broke, don't fix it". Unless there is a _serious_ reason to install
    updates, once the system is installed and set up the way I want it, I plan
    on leaving it alone in terms of updates/upgrades.

    This does contrast quite a bit with the average use of Gentoo, but I did not
    pick Gentoo for this particular reason; instead I picked Gentoo because
    it's sources-based and thus allows me to tailor the operating system to a
    much finer degree than with any binary distribution.

    From the security point of view, I can cut myself some serious slack by
    having the root filesystem read-only, along with a read-only */boot,*
    */usr,* */usr/local,* */usr/src* and */opt,* and by other measures.

    One of the nice things of Gentoo is also that it defaults to asking for the
    root password if you drop to single user mode or if you issue a /shutdown/
    command. In Mandriva, this depends on the security level chosen, and
    Mandriva's security uses some non-standard configuration files. I've
    always found the inner workings of /msec/ rather obscure and
    inconsistent... :-/

    For instance, whether the root user can log in locally and on what virtual
    terminal(s) is something that is normally set in */etc/securetty,* but
    whatever you put there in Mandriva doesn't affect the operation of the
    system. Instead, Mandriva does all that through PAM and its /msec/
    scripts, which to me seems like a needless complication of stuff,
    particularly since PAM itself is also not exactly the easiest thing to set
    up.

    Of course, lots of users will simply rely on Mandriva's judgment and its
    graphical Security Wizard, but to me this comes across as an attempt to do
    things the "Crimosoft way" rather than "the UNIX way", i.e. point & click
    without knowing what exactly it does.

    I'm not paranoid, but that's not how I want things to be on my system. I
    want to be able to make modifications myself, and in a manner that's least
    obtrusive and most reliable.

    Your mileage - as always - may vary... :-)

    --
    Aragorn
    (registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

  16. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    Luan Pham wrote:
    > On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:49:38 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:
    >
    >> Since you provided no information as to logged in as, command executed
    >> or resulting messages, my SWAG would be to delete
    >> .Xauthority
    >> .xsession-errors
    >> in the affected accounts, log out/in

    >
    > I try to reconfigure my video cards, since it have problem with wide-
    > screen display. After I test display with 1440 x 900 setting, and I try
    > to log out as normal users. When I try to startx against, then I run
    > into that error.



    Perhaps I missed it, but I have yet to see a post stating
    what video card you are using. That is critical information.

    The mobo video is probably plain unadorned VGA or SVGA. That
    should work, regardless of how old your card is.

    PWP provides proprietary drivers. If the card is old, you
    may have to resort to a "Legacy" driver or installer package.
    Did you use XFdrake to configure your video? It should provide
    the correct drivers, or go to the Internet and download them
    if needed.

    Cheers!

    jim b.

    --
    UNIX is not user-unfriendly; it merely
    expects users to be computer-friendly.

  17. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:10:52 +0000, Jim Beard wrote:

    > Perhaps I missed it, but I have yet to see a post stating what video
    > card you are using. That is critical information.


    I was using Nvidia GeForce 5200 Card, and it was working since 2007 thru
    2008.0, until I install 2008.1.

  18. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    Luan Pham wrote:
    > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:10:52 +0000, Jim Beard wrote:
    >
    >> Perhaps I missed it, but I have yet to see a post stating what video
    >> card you are using. That is critical information.

    >
    > I was using Nvidia GeForce 5200 Card, and it was working since 2007 thru
    > 2008.0, until I install 2008.1.


    A quick Google shows that the GeForce 5200 was released in
    2003 (or maybe 2002), and one user states it uses the nVidia
    Legacy driver package. I could not find confirmation, but I
    suspect this is accurate.

    First, did you use XFdrake to install the drivers needed?
    XFdrake is supposed to identify your card and get the correct
    drivers, downloading them if needed. If the information I found
    is correct, it should list a Legacy driver for your card.

    There is a reverse-engineered driver package, that provides
    an nv driver. It may work on your system.

    If the nVidia proprietary drivers are installed, that will
    provide the nvidia driver.

    The driver in use and the driver listed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
    must match. Sometimes this does not get set properly, so check
    the line Driver "nvidia" or Driver "nv" in xorg.conf.
    Then
    cd /lib/modules ; find . -name nv*
    and see which module you have installed. On my system:
    ../2.6.24.4-tmb-desktop-1mdv/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia
    ../2.6.24.4-tmb-desktop-1mdv/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko.gz
    ../2.6.24.4-tmb-desktop-1mdv/kernel/drivers/char/nvram.ko.gz
    ../2.6.24.4-tmb-desktop-1mdv/dkms/drivers/char/drm/nvidia-current.ko.gz

    If proprietary drivers are loaded, you will also find in xorg.conf,
    Load "glx" # 3D layer
    You should not need (or have) dri or DRI in xorg.conf if you have
    the proprietary nVidia drivers.

    If you have the nv or nvidia drivers and the xorg.conf lines match,
    and it still does not work, I would recommend going to
    http://www.nvidia.com, finding the downloads page, tell it to find
    the drivers for your card and OS, download it, read the instructions
    on the nVidia site, and install the drivers using the nVidia package.


    You will need to have the kernel and matching kernel-*devel* packages
    both installed before running the nVidia installer. The two packages
    will look something like,

    kernel-desktop-2.6.24.3-4mnb-1-1mnb1
    kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.24.4-1mnb-1-1mnb1

    and may be identified by running the command
    rpm -qa |grep kernel

    Run uname -a on the command line and make sure the kernel
    running matches the one you have the kernel packages for. The
    nVidia builds drivers for the running kernel, unless command-line
    options tell it to do otherwise.

    Cheers!

    jim b.

    --
    UNIX is not user-unfriendly; it merely
    expects users to be computer-friendly.

  19. Re: Mandriva 2008.1 bugs

    On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:09:59 +0000, Jim Beard wrote:

    > First, did you use XFdrake to install the drivers needed? XFdrake is
    > supposed to identify your card and get the correct drivers, downloading
    > them if needed. If the information I found is correct, it should list a
    > Legacy driver for your card.


    Yes I did but Wide Screen problem remain, even thought it Identified it
    is a correct card. So I will save this information and try it later this
    weekend to see it will work. Thanks.

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