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  1. updates who need them?

    Hello guys

    every so often I get the red dot going on my task bar.
    I click and it shows several pending updates.
    I scroll through them but I don't have time to invesigate
    everything.

    SO, I just click download and get them all.

    Is this dangerous?

    so far so good..

  2. Re: updates who need them?

    On 2008-02-23, Helaman wrote:
    > Hello guys
    >
    > every so often I get the red dot going on my task bar.
    > I click and it shows several pending updates.
    > I scroll through them but I don't have time to invesigate
    > everything.
    >
    > SO, I just click download and get them all.
    >
    > Is this dangerous?
    >
    > so far so good..


    Blindly installing all updated packages is probably less
    dangerous than not installing any. For example, the most
    recent kernel update fixed a vulnerability that was being
    actively exploited. I normally do updates once a week, but
    I made an exception and installed that one as soon as I
    could.

    If you wanted to check on the updates, it's pretty easy.
    First, you could point a web browser at

    http://www.mandriva.com/en/security/...ies?dis=2008.0

    Second, you could click on any interesting-looking ones when
    running MandrivaUpdate and look at the "Reason for update"
    section.

    HTH

    (By the way, I like that handle. For some reason, the
    numbers 2000 and 2060 come to mind. :-)

    --
    Robert Riches
    spamtrap42@verizon.net
    (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

  3. Re: updates who need them?

    Helaman wrote:
    > every so often I get the red dot going on my task bar.
    > I click and it shows several pending updates.
    > SO, I just click download and get them all.
    > Is this dangerous?


    For a home machine, not required to meet any special
    requirements for security, what you do is normal.

    Many of those who leave their computer on 24/7 create
    a little script and have it run as root every night to
    download and install all updates. If you do this, you
    have to inspect the logs in /var/log to see if there
    were any problems.

    And, in earlier versions, you had to deliberately install
    a new kernel. The automatic update would not do it for
    you. I am not sure this is still true, but you should
    check http://www.mandriva.com/en/rss/feed/security
    to make sure you do not miss any needed security updates.
    Doing that will make sure you are aware of any kernel
    updates.

    Cheers!

    jim b.

    --
    UNIX is not user-unfriendly; it merely
    expects users to be computer-friendly.

  4. Re: updates who need them?

    On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:32:49 GMT, Helaman wrote:
    >
    > every so often I get the red dot going on my task bar.
    > I click and it shows several pending updates.
    > I scroll through them but I don't have time to invesigate
    > everything.
    >
    > SO, I just click download and get them all.
    >
    > Is this dangerous?


    Define dangerous?

    If you mean can you trust the update to not break your system?
    I can not recommend having backport mirrors as part of the updates
    because of some of the failures they introduced.

    If an update is bad, they turnaround an update fix pretty quick.
    Other than that, I say they are safe.

    On the other hand, the next update could break your install. There is
    no telling do the variables like your hardware and what software you
    have installed.

    If you want to play safe, create/format another partition (hotbu), copy
    current install into hotbu, modify hotbu/etc/fstab to default to
    hotbu's partition, add to boot loader, play with your updates there.
    If good, boot your production copy and upgrade it.

  5. Re: updates who need them?

    On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:47:26 -0500, Jim Beard wrote:

    > you. I am not sure this is still true, but you should
    > check http://www.mandriva.com/en/rss/feed/security
    > to make sure you do not miss any needed security updates.
    > Doing that will make sure you are aware of any kernel
    > updates.


    I'm not sure either, as I know I've made changes in /etc/urpmi/skip.list,
    in the past.

    Any way, even if it does auto-install the new kernel, It won't
    reboot, for you, or load the new kernel, unless you specifically
    select it.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  6. Re: updates who need them?

    Jim Beard wrote:
    > Helaman wrote:
    >> every so often I get the red dot going on my task bar.
    >> I click and it shows several pending updates. SO, I just click
    >> download and get them all. Is this dangerous?

    >
    > For a home machine, not required to meet any special
    > requirements for security, what you do is normal.
    >
    > Many of those who leave their computer on 24/7 create
    > a little script and have it run as root every night to
    > download and install all updates. If you do this, you
    > have to inspect the logs in /var/log to see if there
    > were any problems.
    >
    > And, in earlier versions, you had to deliberately install
    > a new kernel. The automatic update would not do it for
    > you. I am not sure this is still true, but you should
    > check http://www.mandriva.com/en/rss/feed/security
    > to make sure you do not miss any needed security updates.
    > Doing that will make sure you are aware of any kernel
    > updates.
    >
    > Cheers!
    >
    > jim b.
    >

    The 2008.0 automatic update has installed several kernel updates for me,
    with nothing on my part other than an okey-dokey. I do still have to do
    a reboot before it takes effect, though. The old kernel is not deleted
    automatically - that has to be done manually.

    TJ

  7. Re: updates who need them?

    David W. Hodgins wrote:
    > Any way, even if it does auto-install the new kernel, It won't
    > reboot, for you, or load the new kernel, unless you specifically
    > select it.


    On a reboot, the latest kernel version *is* automatically selected as
    the default, even though the latest version is *also* listed at the
    bottom of the versions list.
    Art

  8. Re: updates who need them?

    On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:00:09 -0500, art wrote:

    > On a reboot, the latest kernel version *is* automatically selected as
    > the default, even though the latest version is *also* listed at the
    > bottom of the versions list.


    If you're booting using the symlink vmlinux, then you will get
    the new kernel, on reboot. In /etc/sysconfig/installkernel, I have
    NOLINK="yes"
    to prevent the creation of the symlinks in /boot, and specify the
    full names in lilo.conf.

    In my case, I don't automatically get the new kernel, but I'd forgotten
    that this is not the default behaviour. Thanks for the correction.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  9. Re: updates who need them?

    Helaman wrote:
    > Hello guys
    >
    > every so often I get the red dot going on my task bar.
    > I click and it shows several pending updates.
    > I scroll through them but I don't have time to invesigate
    > everything.
    >
    > SO, I just click download and get them all.
    >
    > Is this dangerous?
    >
    > so far so good..

    I didn't know 2008 had a new automatic installer, yet, I was happily
    surprised when all the needed files were there with it. What I just
    thought is that sometimes the new mdrv files are newer than a plf file,
    as in mplayer. My problem then is that it doesn't play some of the movies.

  10. Re: updates who need them?

    On 2008-02-24, David W. Hodgins wrote:
    > On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:47:26 -0500, Jim Beard wrote:
    >
    >> you. I am not sure this is still true, but you should
    >> check http://www.mandriva.com/en/rss/feed/security
    >> to make sure you do not miss any needed security updates.
    >> Doing that will make sure you are aware of any kernel
    >> updates.

    >
    > I'm not sure either, as I know I've made changes in /etc/urpmi/skip.list,
    > in the past.


    Yes, new kernel are installed by default. It is not installed if you
    remove the kernel-latest package (which is installed by default).


  11. Re: updates who need them?

    On 2008-02-23, Helaman wrote:
    > Hello guys
    >
    > every so often I get the red dot going on my task bar.
    > I click and it shows several pending updates.
    > I scroll through them but I don't have time to invesigate
    > everything.
    >
    > SO, I just click download and get them all.
    >
    > Is this dangerous?


    It should not. Unless you enabled backport repositories.

    However there was a bug in rpmdrake that would make it install updates
    from backports in some cases if the backports repository was added but
    disabled, so be sure to install rpmdrake first to avoid this problem.


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