Issue with Pan Newsreader - Mandriva

The new version of Pan that comes with Mandriva 2008 is giving me serious
rendering issues with binaries. It's the old problem of not showing the
entire image in the preview pane for some images while others appear just
fine. Doesn't seem to be related to the size of the image or whether yenc
is involved or not, nor is it isolated to any one binaries group. I
haven't had this problem in years with Pan and I'm surprised this new
version is so poor. I'm wondering if un-installing this version (0.132)
and installing 0.125 which I was using in Mandriva 2007.1 would work?
Then I'm wondering if this is some weirdness due to having the Compiz 3D
effects running. Suggestions are welcome.
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:09:17 GMT, JTJersey wrote:
> The new version of Pan that comes with Mandriva 2008 is giving me serious
> rendering issues with binaries. It's the old problem of not showing the
> entire image in the preview pane for some images while others appear just
> fine. Doesn't seem to be related to the size of the image or whether yenc
> is involved or not, nor is it isolated to any one binaries group. I
> haven't had this problem in years with Pan and I'm surprised this new
> version is so poor. I'm wondering if un-installing this version (0.132)
> and installing 0.125 which I was using in Mandriva 2007.1 would work?
> Then I'm wondering if this is some weirdness due to having the Compiz 3D
> effects running. Suggestions are welcome.

Nope, I thought it was just the groups I watched, since no one else
was complaing. I am not using the 3D setup and see the same problem.

JTJersey wrote:

> The new version of Pan that comes with Mandriva 2008 is giving me serious
> rendering issues with binaries. It's the old problem of not showing the
> entire image in the preview pane for some images while others appear just
> fine. Doesn't seem to be related to the size of the image or whether yenc
> is involved or not, nor is it isolated to any one binaries group. I
> haven't had this problem in years with Pan and I'm surprised this new
> version is so poor. I'm wondering if un-installing this version (0.132)
> and installing 0.125 which I was using in Mandriva 2007.1 would work?
> Then I'm wondering if this is some weirdness due to having the Compiz 3D
> effects running. Suggestions are welcome.

If this doesn't happen with the stable and fully-featured old version, why
not just go back, until the new one's ready for prime time?

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:09:17 +0000, JTJersey wrote:

> The new version of Pan that comes with Mandriva 2008 is giving me
> serious rendering issues with binaries. It's the old problem of not
> showing the entire image in the preview pane for some images while
> others appear just fine. Doesn't seem to be related to the size of the
> image or whether yenc is involved or not, nor is it isolated to any one
> binaries group. I haven't had this problem in years with Pan and I'm
> surprised this new version is so poor. I'm wondering if un-installing
> this version (0.132) and installing 0.125 which I was using in Mandriva
> 2007.1 would work? Then I'm wondering if this is some weirdness due to
> having the Compiz 3D effects running. Suggestions are welcome.

I've had similar issues with Pan 1.32 on Ubuntu 7.10. Some images are
fine, others cut off halfway down or so. Pan 1.32 works fine on Fedora 7
and Ubuntu 7.04 variants(Mint 3.0, Kubuntu, Xubuntu etc). It might be an
issue with an updated library or component.

I've tried reinstalling it on 7.10 with no luck. In the lower right hand
corner of Pan there is an information button. Usually if there is
something wrong with the image decoding it will give a hint. You might
want to let the developers of Pan know.

Once I give Mandriva 2008 I'll see if the same thing happens.

--Matt B

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:09:17 +0000, JTJersey wrote:

> The new version of Pan that comes with Mandriva 2008 is giving me
> serious rendering issues with binaries. It's the old problem of not
> showing the entire image in the preview pane for some images while
> others appear just fine. Doesn't seem to be related to the size of the
> image or whether yenc is involved or not, nor is it isolated to any one
> binaries group. I haven't had this problem in years with Pan and I'm
> surprised this new version is so poor. I'm wondering if un-installing
> this version (0.132) and installing 0.125 which I was using in Mandriva
> 2007.1 would work? Then I'm wondering if this is some weirdness due to
> having the Compiz 3D effects running. Suggestions are welcome.

From articles in the pan-user mailing list it is an issue with the GTK
libraries used to build pan. A change was made in gnome 2.14 that
decreased a buffer size. There is a patch in the mailing list if you
compile from source

HTH




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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:34:46 -0500, Frmie wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:09:17 +0000, JTJersey wrote:
>
>> The new version of Pan that comes with Mandriva 2008 is giving me
>> serious rendering issues with binaries. It's the old problem of not
>> showing the entire image in the preview pane for some images while
>> others appear just fine. Doesn't seem to be related to the size of the
>> image or whether yenc is involved or not, nor is it isolated to any one
>> binaries group. I haven't had this problem in years with Pan and I'm
>> surprised this new version is so poor. I'm wondering if un-installing
>> this version (0.132) and installing 0.125 which I was using in Mandriva
>> 2007.1 would work? Then I'm wondering if this is some weirdness due to
>> having the Compiz 3D effects running. Suggestions are welcome.
>
> From articles in the pan-user mailing list it is an issue with the GTK
> libraries used to build pan. A change was made in gnome 2.14 that
> decreased a buffer size. There is a patch in the mailing list if you
> compile from source
>
> HTH

Yeah, I was just looking through those postings. The dates are current so
it does seem that a lot of people are aware of this problem. I don't know
how to compile from source so I think I'll wait and see if a patch for the
general population shows up. It also doesn't appear that switching to my
previous version of Pan is going to help, although if no fix arrives I
still might try that.

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:21:05 GMT, JTJersey wrote:
>
> Yeah, I was just looking through those postings. The dates are current so
> it does seem that a lot of people are aware of this problem. I don't know
> how to compile from source so I think I'll wait and see if a patch for the
> general population shows up. It also doesn't appear that switching to my
> previous version of Pan is going to help,

Yes, I went back, to pan-0.125 and it has the same problem as pan-0.132
running under KDE. Just seems to show up less under .125

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:56:24 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:

> Yes, I went back, to pan-0.125 and it has the same problem as
> pan-0.132 running under KDE. Just seems to show up less under .125

0.14.2.91 works fine here!

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:01:08 +0000, Ron Gibson wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:56:24 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:
>
>> Yes, I went back, to pan-0.125 and it has the same problem as
>> pan-0.132 running under KDE. Just seems to show up less under .125
>
> 0.14.2.91 works fine here!

Does it work fine in Gnome as well? 0.14.2 dates back to 2003 are you
using it in Mandriva 2008?

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:50:08 +0000, JTJersey wrote:

>> 0.14.2.91 works fine here!

> Does it work fine in Gnome as well? 0.14.2 dates back to 2003 are you
> using it in Mandriva 2008?

It works fine in Gnome, Xfce, or anything else. 0.14.2.91 was the last
good version of Pan.

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:50:08 +0000, JTJersey wrote:

>> 0.14.2.91 works fine here!

> Does it work fine in Gnome as well? 0.14.2 dates back to 2003 are you
> using it in Mandriva 2008?

Get precompiled binary at...

ftp://ftp.rsgibson.com/pub/linux/Pan/pan

Save to /usr/local/bin

Move existing ~/.{pan user files} to a safe place

Remove new version of pan.

Start this version of pan (ALT-F2 pan)

If it fails to open check for missing libs with...

ldd /usr/local/bin/pan

Install any missing libs (which I doubt there will be).

If it still fails (which I doubt), delete /usr/local/bin/pan, move saved
use pan config files back to ~/, and reinstall new version.

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:49:17 GMT, Ron Gibson wrote:

> ftp://ftp.rsgibson.com/pub/linux/Pan/pan

Nope, did the above. installed 0.14.2.91
Subscribed to alt.binaries.pictures.animals
and still seeing incomplete pictures here and there.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:00:36 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:

>> ftp://ftp.rsgibson.com/pub/linux/Pan/pan

> Nope, did the above. installed 0.14.2.91 Subscribed to
> alt.binaries.pictures.animals and still seeing incomplete pictures here
> and there.

Use Thunderbird or Seamonkey for that. I don't use pan as a pic viewer.
Why not use the multiple apps available. Don't you have several groups of
apps that do the same thing? If you have kword why do you also have
OOffice installed? If you have KDE installed why do you also have XFCE
installed? If you have kmail why also have thunderbird? If you have
'less' installed what do you also have 'more' installed?

Does it not work perfectly for "news only" reading or not?

The problem is pan is apparently undergoing some sort of "inspirational
moment" and we have become BETA testers. They know if they dangle the
morsel under our nose, the NEWEST version, people will blindly follow
the Pied Piper. They do it all the time - Upgrade bbecauseof no good
reason and the latest greatest turns out to be a POS.

Slackware also has included the new piece o' crap Pan version and almost
everyone that preferred pan reverted to the older version from what I've
been reading.

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:13:09 GMT, Ron Gibson wrote:
>
> Use Thunderbird or Seamonkey for that. I don't use pan as a pic viewer.

I need the filters to strip out the p0rn/spam crap from the animal pics.

> Does it not work perfectly for "news only" reading or not?

I use slrn for text reading. Much faster. :-D

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:31:32 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:

>> Use Thunderbird or Seamonkey for that. I don't use pan as a pic viewer.

> I need the filters to strip out the p0rn/spam crap from the animal pics.

>> Does it not work perfectly for "news only" reading or not?

> I use slrn for text reading. Much faster. :-D

Which is exactly why I'd use pan for text and Thunderbird for anything
HTML or graphics.

BTW, I don't believe this is a new issue. I remember some very long
threads sometime back about pan failing on binaries.

So you might not have found a new problem - Instead you rediscovered an
old one.

BTW, Thunderbird viewed that animal NG perfectly. But I
wondering...animal pics ??? Please tell me you aren't carrying a pic
of a sheep in your wallet :-)

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:46:41 GMT, Ron Gibson wrote:

> BTW, I don't believe this is a new issue. I remember some very long
> threads sometime back about pan failing on binaries.
> So you might not have found a new problem - Instead you rediscovered an
> old one.

Could be. I remember seeing it starting on 2007.1 about the time
2008.rc1 came out.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:46:41 +0000, Ron Gibson wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:31:32 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:
>
>>> Use Thunderbird or Seamonkey for that. I don't use pan as a pic
>>> viewer.
>
>> I need the filters to strip out the p0rn/spam crap from the animal
>> pics.
>
>>> Does it not work perfectly for "news only" reading or not?
>
>> I use slrn for text reading. Much faster. :-D
>
> Which is exactly why I'd use pan for text and Thunderbird for anything
> HTML or graphics.
>
> BTW, I don't believe this is a new issue. I remember some very long
> threads sometime back about pan failing on binaries.
>
> So you might not have found a new problem - Instead you rediscovered an
> old one.
>
> BTW, Thunderbird viewed that animal NG perfectly. But I
> wondering...animal pics ??? Please tell me you aren't carrying a pic of
> a sheep in your wallet :-)



Sorry to barge in, but I tried Thunderbird just now and had a worse
problem with the images. I looked around in the menu for some kind of a
default block on pictures, but didn't see anything obvious. All the
images I tried appear as hieroglyphics only.

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:26:23 GMT, JTJersey wrote:
>
> Sorry to barge in, but I tried Thunderbird just now and had a worse
> problem with the images. I looked around in the menu for some kind of a
> default block on pictures, but didn't see anything obvious. All the
> images I tried appear as hieroglyphics only.

Should not have happened if you set it up for a news group and jpg image.
I checked one picture to see if it displayed correctly and it appeared
to, assuming it was the same storke picture.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:30:14 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:

> Should not have happened if you set it up for a news group and jpg
> image. I checked one picture to see if it displayed correctly and it
> appeared to, assuming it was the same storke picture.

Yes - I got the stork loaded also.

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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:29:34 +0000, Bit Twister wrote:

>> BTW, I don't believe this is a new issue. I remember some very long
>> threads sometime back about pan failing on binaries. So you might not
>> have found a new problem - Instead you rediscovered an old one.

> Could be. I remember seeing it starting on 2007.1 about the time 2008.rc1
> came out.

I remember an image display issue earlier than that even,. It was
associated with 0.14.2.91. I also remember a divided group of replies.
IIRC seems like around 75-80% had the problem.

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