3D Rage driver crashing on Mandriva One 2007 Spring - Mandriva

I have an ATI Rage Fury Pro card. When I try to run most 3d games I get from
the console:

Rage 128 timed out

Then the game crashes. This particular bug has been reported in 2006:

http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5883
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9379

The "fix" for this in armagetron is to turn of textures???

I also notice a bug on a 3d OpenGL game I wrote. I have textures but slow
framerates and it crashes when SDL is closed down then resumed. glxinfo
shows direct rendering is Yes.

When I use Mandrake 9.1 with the same machine the 3d works fine other then
not supporting multi-texturing which isn't so bad.

ATI does not make any Linux drivers for the Rage Fury Pro card. Not that it
would help anyway since I believe all their drivers support is 24 bit
color. I need 16 bit.

The questions I have:

Why does it take so long to fix problems like this with the open source
drivers?

How could a driver work previously and now not work? Would changing kernels
from 2.4 to 2.6 cause that much grief in recompiling?

Does Mandriva offer updated RPMs when they do come out? What is the name of
the RPM these video drivers are in?

Thanks in advance,
Charlie

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:06:40 -0400, CharlieB wrote:
> I have an ATI Rage Fury Pro card. When I try to run most 3d games I get from
> the console:

I have then on board ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 video driver does not
handle lots of the video games. I popin the PLF-nonfree driver and they
all work.

AMD is opening up the hardware spec and non-licensed librarys.
Guessing sometime next year when we might get better ATI drivers.

http://www.linux.com/feature/119049

You can use http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ to pick a plf mirror.
When you go into MCC, Hardware, Set up the graphical server it will
suggest the plf driver.

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Bit Twister wrote:

> I have then on board ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 video driver does not
> handle lots of the video games. I popin the PLF-nonfree driver and they
> all work.

Do you mean the open source drivers don't play 3d games and the ATI drivers
(Through PLF) do? Does the ATI driver support 16 bit color games out of
couriosity?

I happen to be one of the unlucky ones that have a card not listed.
http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html

>
> AMD is opening up the hardware spec and non-licensed librarys.
> Guessing sometime next year when we might get better ATI drivers.
>
> http://www.linux.com/feature/119049

What concerns me here is that someone had the specs for my card back when
Mandrake 9.1 was out. It worked well. I don't understand why a newer
version doesn't work. It should work better I would think.

>
> You can use http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ to pick a plf mirror.
> When you go into MCC, Hardware, Set up the graphical server it will
> suggest the plf driver.
>

Would PLF have a commerical Linux driver if ATI doesn't make one?


Thanks again,
Charlie

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:14:14 -0400, CharlieB wrote:
> Bit Twister wrote:
>
>> I have then on board ATI Radeon XPRESS 200 video driver does not
>> handle lots of the video games. I popin the PLF-nonfree driver and they
>> all work.
>
> Do you mean the open source drivers don't play 3d games and the ATI drivers
> (Through PLF) do?

Yep. The fact that the vedors requrie you accept their license agreement makes
them not free for distribution.

You get the vendor's download, compile/link and it works much better.

Tux racer and several others will not run for me. Only thing I realy
want to work is FlightGear. Kinda fun flying around.

Downside the the 2007.1 plf video driver on my system is it requires
me to keep the mouse moving during startx startup. Even then I might
have to run startx twice to get the driver and video to agree where
the pointer is.

Bit Twister wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:14:14 -0400, CharlieB wrote:
>> Bit Twister wrote:
>>
>> Do you mean the open source drivers don't play 3d games and the ATI
>> drivers (Through PLF) do?
>
> Yep. The fact that the vedors requrie you accept their license agreement
> makes them not free for distribution.
>
> You get the vendor's download, compile/link and it works much better.
>
> Tux racer and several others will not run for me.

That is a shame. I have heard commercial ATI drivers aren't very good.

Only thing I realy
> want to work is FlightGear. Kinda fun flying around.
>
> Downside the the 2007.1 plf video driver on my system is it requires
> me to keep the mouse moving during startx startup. Even then I might
> have to run startx twice to get the driver and video to agree where
> the pointer is.

That is sad. Just this morning I rebooted my Mandrake 9.1 machine and went
to take a shower in the meantime. The power went off about 10 min later and
it must have rebooted again. When I was finished I came back and it was
happly back on screen saver like nothing ever happened.

I guess ATI's only hope is open source drivers if they are going to sell any
cards to Linux users.

I understand the commercial Linux nVidia drivers are very nice though.

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:22:10 -0400, CharlieB wrote:
>
> I understand the commercial Linux nVidia drivers are very nice though.

Linux nVidia drivers have made several improvements.

I was impressed the day I did a kernel update and the next boot did a
nvidia driver compile/link during start up on one of my other machines.

Bit Twister wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:22:10 -0400, CharlieB wrote:
>
>>I understand the commercial Linux nVidia drivers are very nice though.
>
>
> Linux nVidia drivers have made several improvements.
>
> I was impressed the day I did a kernel update and the next boot did a
> nvidia driver compile/link during start up on one of my other machines.

Only thing is, I thought you were discussing the 3D Rage Pro chipset?
That's a pre-Radeon thing, and the ATI commercial drivers don't even
support my Radeon 7000 -- too old. Do they have one for the Rage Pro?

(I was watching because my laptop has some sort of ATI Rage chipset.
It's not very fast. Don't know if it's "Rage Pro Fury", maybe more like
"Rage Pro Mildly Disgruntled".)

Frank

Frank Peelo wrote:

> That's a pre-Radeon thing, and the ATI commercial drivers don't even
> support my Radeon 7000 -- too old. Do they have one for the Rage Pro?

Unfortunately not. It looks like the oldest card that has Linux drivers is
the Radian 8500.

http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html

>
> (I was watching because my laptop has some sort of ATI Rage chipset.
> It's not very fast. Don't know if it's "Rage Pro Fury", maybe more like
> "Rage Pro Mildly Disgruntled".)
>
ATI did use a strange/confusing naming system for cards in that era. On the
box my card say it is a "Rage Fury Pro". Look at all the combination of
those words for the Legacy Win98 discontinued drivers on this page:

http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html

Frank Peelo wrote:

> Bit Twister wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:22:10 -0400, CharlieB wrote:
>>
>>>I understand the commercial Linux nVidia drivers are very nice though.
>>
>>
>> Linux nVidia drivers have made several improvements.
>>
>> I was impressed the day I did a kernel update and the next boot did a
>> nvidia driver compile/link during start up on one of my other machines.
>
> Only thing is, I thought you were discussing the 3D Rage Pro chipset?
> That's a pre-Radeon thing, and the ATI commercial drivers don't even
> support my Radeon 7000 -- too old. Do they have one for the Rage Pro

My 3D Rage LT PRO works with the default ati driver in 2007.1 and previous.
Even have the tv output working by using the option "TVOut" in xorg.conf.
FWIW the fglrx non-free driver supports some more recent ATI cards, a
Debian link is http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/fglrx-driver.
Believe this driver is available in Mandriva also.

On Sep 13, 4:48 am, Frank Peelo wrote:
> Bit Twister wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:22:10 -0400, CharlieB wrote:
>
> >>I understand the commercial Linux nVidia drivers are very nice though.
>
> > Linux nVidia drivers have made several improvements.
>
> > I was impressed the day I did a kernel update and the next boot did a
> > nvidia driver compile/link during start up on one of my other machines.
>
> Only thing is, I thought you were discussing the 3D Rage Pro chipset?
> That's a pre-Radeon thing, and the ATI commercial drivers don't even
> support my Radeon 7000 -- too old. Do they have one for the Rage Pro?

Managed to get dual head monitors working with my 7000 and get
enlightenment e17 working using driver 'radeon'. Because of the 2-CRT
setup, if I bring the resolution down a notch, direct rendering works
good enough for GLarmagetron, and the cube (AIGLX) functions if I use
KDE (I don't). Did you replace your 7000? Let me know if you'd be
interested in a copy of my xorg.conf.

Re the OP am wondering whether the card worked in 2006 simply because
it was using softwareGLor indirect rendering instead of OpenGL