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  1. about 400 updates tonight so far !

    All i done was fire up control centre and it prompts me for a new Kernel
    with about 20 choices, ok there was an 'about' button at the end, not that
    i understood to much.I made a choice and it gives me this lot
    of 'dependancies' which are going to be downloaded

    ati-8.28.8-3plf2007.0.i586
    avahi-0.6.13-4.2mdv2007.0.i586
    binutils-2.16.91.0.7-3mdv2007.0.i586
    console-tools-0.2.3-60.1mdv2007.0.i586
    cups-1.2.4-1.2mdv2007.0.i586
    cups-common-1.2.4-1.2mdv2007.0.i586
    curl-7.15.5-2.1mdv2007.0.i586
    dbus-0.92-8.2mdv2007.0.i586
    dbus-x11-0.92-8.2mdv2007.0.i586
    desktop-common-data-2007-20.1mdv2007.0.noarch
    dkms-2.0.13-3.1mdv2007.0.noarch
    dkms-ati-8.28.8-3plf2007.0.i586
    dkms-minimal-2.0.13-3.1mdv2007.0.noarch
    dkms-nvidia71xx-1.0-7185.1plf2007.0.i586
    dkms-nvidia-8774-4plf2007.0.i586
    ekiga-2.0.3-1.2mdv2007.0.i586
    evolution-data-server-1.8.0-1.1mdv2007.0.i586
    file-4.17-2.2mdv2007.0.i586
    gcc-4.1.1-3mdk.i586
    gimp-2.3.10-6.2mdv2007.0.i586
    glibc-2.4-7mdv2007.0.i586
    glibc-devel-2.4-7mdv2007.0.i586
    gnupg-1.4.7-0.2mdv2007.0.i586
    gnupg2-1.9.22-2.2mdv2007.0.i586
    gtk+2.0-2.10.3-5.3mdv2007.0.i586
    gweled-0.7-4mdv2007.0.i586
    hal-0.5.7.1-9.1mdv2007.0.i586
    ImageMagick-6.2.9.2-1.2mdv2007.0.i586
    info-install-4.8-4.1mdv2007.0.i586
    ipw2100-firmware-1.3-3plf.noarch
    ipw2200-firmware-3.0-2plf.noarch
    jasper-1.701.0-5.2mdv2007.0.i586
    kdegraphics-kghostview-3.5.4-7.2mdv2007.0.i586
    kdegraphics-kpdf-3.5.4-7.2mdv2007.0.i586
    kdegraphics-ksnapshot-3.5.4-7.2mdv2007.0.i586
    kdegraphics-kuickshow-3.5.4-7.2mdv2007.0.i586
    kdelibs-common-3.5.4-19.5mdv2007.0.i586
    kdenetwork-3.5.4-3.1mdv2007.0.i586
    kdenetwork-common-3.5.4-3.1mdv2007.0.i586
    kdenetwork-kdict-3.5.4-3.1mdv2007.0.i586
    ....



    Well if you got this far, several probelms could not be sorted out;

    There was a problem during the installation:

    dkms-nvidia conflicts with dkms-nvidia71xx-1.0-7185.1plf2007.0.i586
    openoffice.org = 2.0.4 is needed by
    openoffice.org-l10n-br-2.0.4-2.3mdv2007.0.i586
    openoffice.org = 2.0.4 is needed by
    openoffice.org-l10n-en_GB-2.0.4-2.3mdv2007.0.i586
    openoffice.org = 2.0.4 is needed by
    openoffice.org-l10n-fr-2.0.4-2.3mdv2007.0.i586
    openoffice.org = 2.0.4 is needed by
    openoffice.org-kde-2.0.4-2.3mdv2007.0.i586
    openoffice.org = 2.0.4 is needed by
    openoffice.org-l10n-nl-2.0.4-2.3mdv2007.0.i586
    nvidia conflicts with nvidia_legacy-7184-4plf2007.0.i586
    openoffice.org = 2.0.4 is needed by
    openoffice.org-l10n-eu-2.0.4-2.3mdv2007.0.i586
    nvidia conflicts with nvidia71xx-1.0-7185.1plf2007.0.i586
    ati = 8.28.8-2mdv2007.0 is needed by (installed)
    atieventsd-8.28.8-2mdv2007.0.i586
    unable to install package
    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...007.0.i586.rpm
    unable to install package
    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...007.0.i586.rpm
    unable to install package
    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...007.0.i586.rpm
    unable to install package
    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...007.0.i586.rpm
    unable to install package
    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...007.0.i586.rpm
    unable to install package
    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...007.0.i586.rpm
    unable to install package
    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...007.0.i586.rpm
    unable to install package
    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...007.0.i586.rpm


    I open up control centre again and its off with another 200 updates?
    What gives? Mandriva 2007 KDE.........

  2. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    Mike Campbell wrote:

    > All i done was fire up control centre and it prompts me for a new Kernel
    > with about 20 choices, ok there was an 'about' button at the end, not that
    > i understood to much.I made a choice and it gives me this lot
    > of 'dependancies' which are going to be downloaded
    >
    >
    >
    > I open up control centre again and its off with another 200 updates?
    > What gives? Mandriva 2007 KDE.........


    125 of 201 downloaded up to now. !!


  3. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:37:34 +0100, Mike Campbell wrote:
    >>
    >> I open up control centre again and its off with another 200 updates?
    >> What gives? Mandriva 2007 KDE.........

    >
    > 125 of 201 downloaded up to now. !!


    Makes me wonder if you are not updating to 2007.1 from 2007.0

    Show us your mirror values.

    grep -i riva /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg

  4. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    Mike Campbell wrote:
    > All i done was fire up control centre and it prompts me for a new Kernel
    > with about 20 choices, ok there was an 'about' button at the end, not that
    > i understood to much.I made a choice and it gives me this lot
    > of 'dependancies' which are going to be downloaded
    >
    > ati-8.28.8-3plf2007.0.i586
    > avahi-0.6.13-4.2mdv2007.0.i586
    > binutils-2.16.91.0.7-3mdv2007.0.i586
    > console-tools-0.2.3-60.1mdv2007.0.i586


    >
    > Well if you got this far, several probelms could not be sorted out;
    >
    > There was a problem during the installation:
    >
    > dkms-nvidia conflicts with dkms-nvidia71xx-1.0-7185.1plf2007.0.i586
    > openoffice.org = 2.0.4 is needed by
    > openoffice.org-l10n-br-2.0.4-2.3mdv2007.0.i586


    > ati = 8.28.8-2mdv2007.0 is needed by (installed)
    > atieventsd-8.28.8-2mdv2007.0.i586
    > unable to install package
    > ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...007.0.i586.rpm
    > unable to install package


    > I open up control centre again and its off with another 200 updates?
    > What gives? Mandriva 2007 KDE.........


    There seem to be a few possibilities. You may have picked a kernel not
    suitable for your hardware, or not compatible with software that worked
    with your earlier kernel. Tell us exactly what you chose, and what your
    machinery is.

    I seem to remember a problem with a bug in rpm/urpmi. Have you updated
    those? If not, Google this forum in earlier times for information on what
    it did, as I have forgotten. (Waited for 2007.1 before upgrading)

    Are you using correct repositories/mirrors? Check your sources against
    what you get from easyurpmi:

    http://www.linuxfordummies.org/addmedia/

    I suspect a serious mis-match of some sort. Do you have backups
    available, and will they work?

    Cheers!

    jim b.

    --
    UNIX is not user-unfriendly; it merely
    expects users to be computer-friendly.

  5. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    Bit Twister wrote:

    > On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:37:34 +0100, Mike Campbell wrote:
    >>>
    >>> I open up control centre again and its off with another 200 updates?
    >>> What gives? Mandriva 2007 KDE.........

    >>
    >> 125 of 201 downloaded up to now. !!

    >
    > Makes me wonder if you are not updating to 2007.1 from 2007.0
    >
    > Show us your mirror values.
    >
    > grep -i riva /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg


    [mike@localhost ~]$ grep -i riva /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
    plf-free
    ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_...se/binary/i586
    {
    plf-nonfree
    ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_...se/binary/i586
    {
    plf-free_backports
    ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/logiciel-l...ts/binary/i586
    {
    plf-nonfree_backports
    ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/logiciel-l...ts/binary/i586
    {


  6. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:01:52 +0100, Mike Campbell wrote:
    > Bit Twister wrote:
    >>
    >> grep -i riva /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg

    >
    > [mike@localhost ~]$ grep -i riva /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
    > plf-free /plf/mandriva/2007.0/free/release/binary/i586


    Hmmm, I would have expected to see main, main update, contrib, contrib updates.

    Probably a bad search string on my part, mirror I have uses mandrake.
    Here is a chopped down list of mine

    $ grep -i 200 /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg

    main_updates snip,snip /official/2007.0/i586/media/main/updates {
    contrib_updates /official/2007.0/i586/media/contrib/updates {
    main /official/2007.0/i586/media/main/release {
    contrib /official/2007.0/i586/media/contrib/release {
    plf-free /plf/mandriva/2007.0/free/release/binary/i586 {
    plf-nonfree /plf/mandriva/2007.0/non-free/release/binary/i586 {

    I am interested in seeing your update mirrors values.

  7. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    Bit Twister wrote:

    > On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:01:52 +0100, Mike Campbell wrote:
    >> Bit Twister wrote:
    >>>
    >>> grep -i riva /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg

    >>
    >> [mike@localhost ~]$ grep -i riva /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
    >> plf-free /plf/mandriva/2007.0/free/release/binary/i586

    >
    > Hmmm, I would have expected to see main, main update, contrib, contrib
    > updates.
    >
    > Probably a bad search string on my part, mirror I have uses mandrake.
    > Here is a chopped down list of mine
    >
    > $ grep -i 200 /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
    >
    > main_updates snip,snip /official/2007.0/i586/media/main/updates
    >snip>
    >
    > I am interested in seeing your update mirrors values.


    [mike@unknown00138fbf5f07 ~]$ grep -i 200 /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
    main
    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...a/main/release
    {
    main_updates
    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...a/main/updates
    {
    contrib
    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...ontrib/release
    {
    contrib_updates
    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...ontrib/updates
    {
    plf-free
    ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_...se/binary/i586
    {
    plf-nonfree
    ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_...se/binary/i586
    {
    plf-free_backports
    ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/logiciel-l...ts/binary/i586
    {
    plf-nonfree_backports
    ftp://ftp.univ-orleans.fr/logiciel-l...ts/binary/i586
    {



  8. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    Mike Campbell wrote:

    > Bit Twister wrote:
    >
    >> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:01:52 +0100, Mike Campbell wrote:
    >>> Bit Twister wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> grep -i riva /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
    >>>
    >>> [mike@localhost ~]$ grep -i riva /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
    >>> plf-free /plf/mandriva/2007.0/free/release/binary/i586

    >>
    >> Hmmm, I would have expected to see main, main update, contrib, contrib
    >> updates.
    >>
    >> Probably a bad search string on my part, mirror I have uses mandrake.
    >> Here is a chopped down list of mine
    >>
    >> $ grep -i 200 /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
    >>
    >> main_updates snip,snip /official/2007.0/i586/media/main/updates
    >>snip>
    >>
    >> I am interested in seeing your update mirrors values.

    >
    > [mike@unknown00138fbf5f07 ~]$ grep -i 200 /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
    > main
    >

    ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/mandrake/Man...a/main/release
    > {
    > main_updates


    Just gone into control centre now , and i'm sure it done this the other
    night before it set off with all the updates.....it tells me i need one of
    the following packages then list about 30 odd versions of kernel
    source....i've just cancellled it for now.

  9. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:05:34 +0100, Mike Campbell wrote:
    > Bit Twister wrote:
    > [mike@unknown00138fbf5f07 ~]$ grep -i 200 /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
    > main /official/2007.0/i586/media/main/release
    > main_updates /official/2007.0/i586/media/main/updates


    Well, that rules out my guess about you having 'current release'
    instead of hardcoding /2007.0/.

  10. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    Bit Twister wrote:
    > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:05:34 +0100, Mike Campbell wrote:
    >> Bit Twister wrote:
    >> [mike@unknown00138fbf5f07 ~]$ grep -i 200 /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
    >> main /official/2007.0/i586/media/main/release
    >> main_updates /official/2007.0/i586/media/main/updates

    >
    > Well, that rules out my guess about you having 'current release'
    > instead of hardcoding /2007.0/.


    If I may repeat my earlier question, exactly what kernel did
    you update to? If you do not know, run
    uname -a
    and then rpm -qa |grep 2.6.17-14mdv
    or whatever string you found with uname and post
    the output of that.

    jim b.

    --
    UNIX is not user-unfriendly; it merely
    expects users to be computer-friendly.

  11. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    Jim Beard wrote:

    > Bit Twister wrote:
    >> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:05:34 +0100, Mike Campbell wrote:
    >>> Bit Twister wrote:
    >>> [mike@unknown00138fbf5f07 ~]$ grep -i 200 /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
    >>> main /official/2007.0/i586/media/main/release
    >>> main_updates /official/2007.0/i586/media/main/updates

    >>
    >> Well, that rules out my guess about you having 'current release'
    >> instead of hardcoding /2007.0/.

    >
    > If I may repeat my earlier question, exactly what kernel did
    > you update to? If you do not know, run
    > uname -a
    > and then rpm -qa |grep 2.6.17-14mdv
    > or whatever string you found with uname and post
    > the output of that.
    >

    Sorry Jim, it looks like i may not of updated it at all as it keeps
    repeating the same questions again. Here's the output
    [mike@localhost ~]$ uname -a
    Linux localhost 2.6.17-5mdvlegacy #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 14:40:00 EDT 2006 i686
    Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz GNU/Linux
    [mike@localhost ~]$ rpm -qa |grep 2.6.17-5mdv
    slmodem-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-2.9.11-1mdk
    ati-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-8.28.8-1mdk
    hcfpcimodem-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-1.10full-1mdk
    nvidia-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-8774-1mdk
    madwifi-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-0.9.2-1mdk
    unicorn-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-0.9.3-1mdk
    hsfmodem-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-7.47.00.03full-1mdk
    nvidia_legacy-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-7184-1mdk
    [mike@localhost ~]$


    Everything on the computer works just fine. Hardwired LAN, wireless usb,
    graphics, 3d cube effect etc..

    Upon opening the control centre i am prompted with 'one of the following
    packages is needed.....[1] dkms-nvidia71xx-1.0-7185.1plf2007.0
    [2] dkms-nvidia_legacy-7184-4plf2007.0

    I choose cancel. Then it tells me i need one of the following packages;
    kernel-Linus-source-2.6.18.8-1mdv-1-1mdv2007.0
    kernel-linus-source-2.6.18.rc7.1mdv-1-1mdv2007.0

    i'll slim the list down here as its over 30 choices

    kernel-tmb-source-stripped-2.6.17.13-4mdv-1-1mdv2007.0
    kernel-source-2.6.17.6mdv-1-1mdv2007.0

    i choose cancel again, it then tells me to satisfy dependencies the
    following packages are going to be installed;
    binutils-2.16.91.0.7-3mdv2007.0
    dkms-2.0.13.-3.1mdv2007.0
    dkms-ati-8.28.8-3plf2007.0
    dkms-nvidia71xx-1.0-7185.1plf2007.0
    gcc-4.1.1-3mkd
    glibc-devel-2.4-7mdv2007.0
    kernel-linus-source-2.6.18.8-1mdv2007.0
    libbinutils2-2.16.91.0.7-3mdv2007.0
    linncurses5-devel-5.5-1.20051029.4mdv2007.0
    libwpd-0.8_8-0.8.6-1.1mdv2007.0
    make-3.81-1mdv2007.0
    nvidia71xx-1.0-7185.1plf2007.0
    patch-2.5.9-3mkd

    Any thoughts on my next move?

  12. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    Mike Campbell wrote:
    > Jim Beard wrote:
    >
    >> Bit Twister wrote:
    >>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:05:34 +0100, Mike Campbell wrote:
    >>>> Bit Twister wrote:
    >>>> [mike@unknown00138fbf5f07 ~]$ grep -i 200 /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg
    >>>> main /official/2007.0/i586/media/main/release
    >>>> main_updates /official/2007.0/i586/media/main/updates
    >>> Well, that rules out my guess about you having 'current release'
    >>> instead of hardcoding /2007.0/.

    >> If I may repeat my earlier question, exactly what kernel did
    >> you update to? If you do not know, run
    >> uname -a
    >> and then rpm -qa |grep 2.6.17-14mdv
    >> or whatever string you found with uname and post
    >> the output of that.
    >>

    > Sorry Jim, it looks like i may not of updated it at all as it keeps
    > repeating the same questions again. Here's the output
    > [mike@localhost ~]$ uname -a
    > Linux localhost 2.6.17-5mdvlegacy #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 14:40:00 EDT 2006 i686
    > Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz GNU/Linux


    This looks like it might be your original kernel. Take a look in /boot
    and see if there is another kernel that is just not being used.

    > [mike@localhost ~]$ rpm -qa |grep 2.6.17-5mdv
    > slmodem-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-2.9.11-1mdk
    > ati-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-8.28.8-1mdk
    > hcfpcimodem-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-1.10full-1mdk
    > nvidia-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-8774-1mdk
    > madwifi-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-0.9.2-1mdk
    > unicorn-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-0.9.3-1mdk
    > hsfmodem-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-7.47.00.03full-1mdk
    > nvidia_legacy-kernel-2.6.17-5mdvlegacy-7184-1mdk
    > [mike@localhost ~]$


    These are kernel-specific drivers. I do not understand why you
    have both nvidia and ati drivers, and you can probably remove one
    of the nvidia packages. The 8774-1mdk version was provided by a
    more recent nvidia installer, so I would probably keep that one.

    Oddly, it does not show the 2.6.17-5mdv kernel package as installed.

    > Everything on the computer works just fine. Hardwired LAN, wireless usb,
    > graphics, 3d cube effect etc..
    >
    > Upon opening the control centre i am prompted with 'one of the following
    > packages is needed.....[1] dkms-nvidia71xx-1.0-7185.1plf2007.0
    > [2] dkms-nvidia_legacy-7184-4plf2007.0


    Every time you install a new kernel, or the X11 software packages
    has a significant upgrade, you will need new nvidia drivers. You will
    need one of the dkms packages above to create them, and will likely
    need to have either stripped source or full source code for the
    kernel you are running.


    > I choose cancel. Then it tells me i need one of the following packages;
    > kernel-Linus-source-2.6.18.8-1mdv-1-1mdv2007.0
    > kernel-linus-source-2.6.18.rc7.1mdv-1-1mdv2007.0
    >
    > i'll slim the list down here as its over 30 choices
    >
    > kernel-tmb-source-stripped-2.6.17.13-4mdv-1-1mdv2007.0
    > kernel-source-2.6.17.6mdv-1-1mdv2007.0


    You will need the source-stripped or the source for the
    exact specific kernel you are running when it is time to create
    the new drivers needed for that kernel. You have to figure out
    what kernel you are running/will be running, and install either
    the stripped source or the full source.
    >
    > i choose cancel again, it then tells me to satisfy dependencies the
    > following packages are going to be installed;
    > binutils-2.16.91.0.7-3mdv2007.0
    > dkms-2.0.13.-3.1mdv2007.0
    > dkms-ati-8.28.8-3plf2007.0
    > dkms-nvidia71xx-1.0-7185.1plf2007.0
    > gcc-4.1.1-3mkd
    > glibc-devel-2.4-7mdv2007.0
    > kernel-linus-source-2.6.18.8-1mdv2007.0
    > libbinutils2-2.16.91.0.7-3mdv2007.0
    > linncurses5-devel-5.5-1.20051029.4mdv2007.0
    > libwpd-0.8_8-0.8.6-1.1mdv2007.0
    > make-3.81-1mdv2007.0
    > nvidia71xx-1.0-7185.1plf2007.0
    > patch-2.5.9-3mkd


    This is all stuff for building new drivers for the 2.6.18-1mdv
    kernel. If you are going to update to that kernel, you will
    need these packages.

    > Any thoughts on my next move?


    Answer one or two more questions. Have you ever updated all of your software
    on the machine? If yes, how long ago?

    If you never updated everything, or did so long ago, it is
    possible you simply need to install 400 or more updates.

    I would be careful about selection of kernel, though. Get
    that wrong (the wrong stuff for your system) and you will have
    problems.

    Are you in fact running a system with dual Pentium 4 CPUs?

    If so, you will need a kernel with a name something like
    2.6.17-13mdvlegacy or 2.6.17-14mdv that includes smp in the name
    somewhere. Try to get one with a name that matches your current
    kernel as closely as possible, but that is a later version and
    will handle symmetric multiprocessing. If not, a package with
    up (uniprocessor) in the name would probably be better.

    Cheers!

    jim b.

    --
    UNIX is not user-unfriendly; it merely
    expects users to be computer-friendly.

  13. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !


    "Jim Beard" wrote in message
    news:lXigi.2972$%w5.1231@trndny04...

    >snip<
    > Answer one or two more questions. Have you ever updated all of your
    > software
    > on the machine? If yes, how long ago?
    >
    > If you never updated everything, or did so long ago, it is
    > possible you simply need to install 400 or more updates.
    >
    > I would be careful about selection of kernel, though. Get
    > that wrong (the wrong stuff for your system) and you will have
    > problems.
    >
    > Are you in fact running a system with dual Pentium 4 CPUs?
    >
    > If so, you will need a kernel with a name something like
    > 2.6.17-13mdvlegacy or 2.6.17-14mdv that includes smp in the name
    > somewhere. Try to get one with a name that matches your current
    > kernel as closely as possible, but that is a later version and
    > will handle symmetric multiprocessing. If not, a package with
    > up (uniprocessor) in the name would probably be better.
    >

    Only one Pentium 4 CPU Jim. iT's a fresh install, about 10 days old. I have
    been flitting between various distros, ref my other post about dual booting.
    The set up i have now i have been happy with as it recognises everything, my
    wireless usb belkin stick being the biggest bone of contention. But its
    working fine with this set up. If i can be naieve, which 'type' of kernel
    will install itself? I'm assuming 'stripped source' will need compliling? If
    so which type will self install, i thought the os might be intuitive and
    almost guide me to the required upgrade kernel. Its a hobby for me really
    Jim so losing anything isn't really a problem, although i would prefer to
    keep and repair the system rather than just wipe and re install. Just to
    note i have tried the 5cd version, the dvd non oss version and this one ,
    '2007.0 KDE cd' seems to work best for me apart from these upgrade problems.



  14. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:55:18 +0100, MikE Campbell wrote:

    > Only one Pentium 4 CPU Jim. iT's a fresh install, about 10 days old.


    It does not matter when you installed it. It matters how long ago the
    master cd/dvd was created. You can get a small feel about the update
    count by looking at http://www.mandriva.com/security/advisories?dis=2007.1

    List looks impressive but you may see the same package released more
    than once as different bugs are found or some common bug causes other
    packages to be re-released. Only the highest package will be picked.

    > If i can be naieve, which 'type' of kernel will install itself?


    Depends on what hardware is detected.

    Just after install, I always get the name of the kernel with the command:
    rpm -qa 'kernel*' > /etc/rpm_kernel_orig
    Now I can cat /etc/rpm_kernel_orig to see what was install whenever
    I am prompted to pick an upgradded kernel.

    Note, it takes a little while to scan the rpm database to get wildcard
    selection.

    On my firewall box (old 500 mhz) we see
    $ cat /etc/rpm_kernel_orig
    kernel-legacy-2.6.17.5mdv-1-1mdv2007.0

    On my browser box
    $ cat /etc/rpm_kernel_orig
    kernel-source-stripped-2.6.17.13mdv-1-1mdv2007.1
    kernel-latest-2.6.17-13mdv
    kernel-2.6.17.13mdv-1-1mdv2007.1
    kernel-source-stripped-latest-2.6.17-13mdv


    > I'm assuming 'stripped source' will need compliling?


    No, you may have a driver which wantes it install so the driver can be
    compiled as part of it's install. Usually my video driver requires it.

  15. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    MikE Campbell wrote:
    > Only one Pentium 4 CPU Jim. iT's a fresh install, about 10 days old..


    Suddenly we are cooking with gas. If you installed 2007.0 from CD
    10 days ago, that CD was frozen long long ago, possibly when 2007.0
    first came out. An update list of 400 packages is probably par for
    the course.

    First question: Have you considered/tried 2007.1? I would do a clean
    install rather than try to update kernel and system software for a
    system that is already a little old in the tooth.

    If you really want to update 2007.0, I would look for a kernel package
    with a name something like kernel-2.6.17-14mdvlegacy or maybe
    kernel-legacy-2.6.17-14mdv plus some added detail at the end. I do not
    know why a "legacy" package was installed on your machine, but I assume
    there was some reason the installer chose it, and would try to
    follow suit.

    The 14mdv in the name above is the critical element, as it tells you
    how recent it is. Higher number = more recent. Get the highest one
    available for 2007.0. For 2007.1, blahblah14mdv is the most recent.

    Use mcc (the Mandriva Linux Control Center) and go to Install Software.
    That is where you will find kernels, not in the update section. Mandriva
    considers a kernal change a momentous matter, not to be handled in the
    usual updates fashion. Search for kernel in the Install Software
    section, and find the kernel that looks most like the one you currently
    have, but with the highest version number available.

    Hit the Install button, or whatever tells MCC to just do it, and install
    that kernel. (BTW, did you ever look in /boot to see if you have more than
    one kernel already installed? You may have it already.)

    After installing the kernel, install the kernel source for the kernel you
    are upgrading to. Make sure the version numbers match, right up to the mdv.
    You can install source-stripped, or just plain old source. You will not
    be compiling your kernel (unless you just want to -- I would recommend not
    doing that just yet), but installers for nVidia video drivers, wireless
    drivers, and some other things must have source code available to them
    (that exactly matches your kernel version) for use in compiling and/or
    tailoring new drivers for the new kernel.

    Read the brief blurb at http://www.mandriva.com/en/security/kernelupdate.
    It leaves out a lot, but you have to start somewhere.

    With your new kernel installed, it will be sitting in boot alongside your
    old kernel. Most likely (though it depends on who packaged the kernel
    I think), the default boot for your machine will still be the old kernel.
    You will have to deliberately choose the new kernel from the LILO/Grub
    menu when you boot to get the new kernel to load.

    Do an ls -l /boot and you should see something similar to the following
    (with permissions, size, etc on the left -- omitted to save space here)

    config -> config-2.6.17-14mdv
    config-2.6.17-13mdv
    config-2.6.17-14mdv
    grub
    initrd-2.6.17-13mdv.img
    initrd-2.6.17-14mdv.img
    initrd.img -> initrd-2.6.17-14mdv.img
    kernel.h -> /boot/kernel.h-2.6.17-14mdv
    kernel.h-2.6.17-13mdv
    kernel.h-2.6.17-14mdv
    System.map -> System.map-2.6.17-14mdv
    System.map-2.6.17-13mdv
    System.map-2.6.17-14mdv
    vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.17-14mdv
    vmlinuz-2.6.17-13mdv
    vmlinuz-2.6.17-14mdv

    This is two kernels, side by side, *13mdv and *14mdv. There are
    symbolic links (created with ln -s existingfile linkedfile )
    that link config, initrd.img, kernel.h, System.map and vmlinuz to
    one of the two kernel's files. If you use Grub, the file menu.lst
    that has the stanzas for the different kernels (and different OS,
    if you have them) will be in the directory grub. Otherwise, look
    for the LILO file that contains the stanzas.

    The kernel installer may create and install everything needed, or it
    may leave kernel.h, maybe config, and possibly System.map to be
    automagically created and symlinked the next time you reboot. If
    the symlinks exist, it is important that they all point to the same
    version (after the reboot). I remove and create the symlinks as
    needed to make sure it is done properly.

    Do not remove the old kernel. If the new kernel du jour does not
    work properly, you can select the old kernel from the boot menu and
    restore symlinks to point where they should to make the old kernel
    again the default kernel.

    Again, I would recommend shifting to a clean install of 2007.1.
    If you choose not to, the above should get you some distance
    down the road. Call in again when you have more questions or
    encounter problems. Or, search this forum for threads on kernel
    installs. They are much discussed.

    Cheers!

    jim b.

    --
    UNIX is not user-unfriendly; it merely
    expects users to be computer-friendly.

  16. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    Jim Beard wrote:


    > Again, I would recommend shifting to a clean install of 2007.1.
    > If you choose not to, the above should get you some distance
    > down the road. Call in again when you have more questions or
    > encounter problems. Or, search this forum for threads on kernel
    > installs. They are much discussed.
    >

    Ok, thanks Jim, i understand it a bit more now. I'll stick with the 2007.0
    for now though, i did install 2007.1 i think the reason i rolled back was i
    couldn't get my wireless working. All is well on it now and it has all the
    apps i require so i'll keep this going as i'm very happy with it.


  17. Re: about 400 updates tonight so far !

    Mike Campbell wrote:
    > Jim Beard wrote:
    >
    >
    >> Again, I would recommend shifting to a clean install of 2007.1.
    >> If you choose not to, the above should get you some distance
    >> down the road. Call in again when you have more questions or
    >> encounter problems. Or, search this forum for threads on kernel
    >> installs. They are much discussed.
    >>

    > Ok, thanks Jim, i understand it a bit more now. I'll stick with the 2007.0
    > for now though, i did install 2007.1 i think the reason i rolled back was i
    > couldn't get my wireless working. All is well on it now and it has all the
    > apps i require so i'll keep this going as i'm very happy with it.


    If all is working as you wish, the only serious disadvantage to 2007.0
    is that support will end in the not too distant future. Desktop updates
    end 13 October 2007, and base updates (kernels, Apache, etc) end
    13 April 2008.

    http://www.mandriva.com/en/security/productlifetime

    Cheers!

    jim b.

    --
    UNIX is not user-unfriendly; it merely
    expects users to be computer-friendly.

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