foo wrote:

> Tony Jaa wrote:
>>>
>>> well, 4th phone call last nite to tech support, and it still doesnt
>>> work, it worked for about 2 or 3 emails and then reverted back to being
>>> busted.
>>
>>
>> oh, doesnt Knode use the smtp server to send to the news server?
>>
>
> SMTP and NNTP are about as similar as CHEESE and CHALK.
>
> Does thunderbird have the same problem (works then doesn't) ?
>
> $ telnet smtp.hawaiiantel.net 25
> Trying 64.97.131.50...
> Connected to smtp.hawaiiantel.net (64.97.131.50).
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 n016.sc0.he.tucows.com ESMTP Service (7.2.078) ready
> EHLO my.bogus.domain
> 250-n016.sc0.he.tucows.com
> 250-DSN
> 250-8BITMIME
> 250-PIPELINING
> 250-HELP
> 250-AUTH=LOGIN
> 250-AUTH LOGIN CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN
> 250-DELIVERBY 300
> 250 SIZE
> ^]
> telnet> q
>
> The SMTP server that answers switches between
> various hosts in the sc0.he.tucows.com domain.
> (round robin DNS)
>
> 'dig MX hawaiiantel.net' shows
> inbound.hawaiiantel.net.cust.securehostedemail.com as the Mail Exchanger.
>
> So, hawaiiantel are not smart enough to run their own MTA's.
>
> And, smtp.hawaiiantel.net.cust.securehostedemail.com does not
> have a reverse lookup entry, so securehostedemail.com are not
> smart enough to run their own DNS.
>
> Both sc0.he.tucows.com and securehostedemail.com appear to
> be withing the same class A address space (subnetted to a class B).
>
> It would appear that hawaiiantel.net are complete clowns, so
> they use other complete clowns services for email.
>
> If I was you I would change ISP whether email works or not.
>
> However, you could specify more details as well. So far you
> haven't even bothered to confirm what SMTP server your using.

I dont know and my ISP couldnt tell me - tech support isnt that great you
know.

> Everybody is guessing due to your inability to provide any
> details.
>
> "then reverted back to being busted" is not a useful description.

>>
>> However, you could specify more details as well. So far you
>> haven't even bothered to confirm what SMTP server your using.
>
> I dont know and my ISP couldnt tell me - tech support isnt that great you
> know.
>

In a previous post you said "I have checked and rechecked my settings",
if you don't knows what server to use how could you possibly check
and/or recheck your settings.

You also said "my server doesnt require authentication",
the exact opposite of the MTA's response in your initial query.

That's enough from me. Your wasting peoples (mine at least) time.

On 2007-05-19, Tony Jaa wrote:
> Tony Jaa wrote:
>
>> Rob Kemp wrote:
>>
>>> Tony Jaa wrote:

[...]

> oh, doesnt Knode use the smtp server to send to the news server?
>
> news works just fine in and out.
>
> no authentication either.

Reading and posting to newsgroups uses the NNTP protocol, not SMTP, and a
news-server not a mail-server. Different systems and quite possibly
different hardware and different sub-contractors.

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

On 2007-05-19, Tony Jaa wrote:
> foo wrote:
>
>> Tony Jaa wrote:

[...]

>> However, you could specify more details as well. So far you
>> haven't even bothered to confirm what SMTP server your using.
>
> I dont know and my ISP couldnt tell me - tech support isnt that great you
> know.
>
>> Everybody is guessing due to your inability to provide any
>> details.

[...]

Open Kmail. Click on 'Settings - Configure Kmail - Accounts - Sending' and
select the account marked 'default', and click on 'Modify'. What have you
put in the box labeled 'Host'? That is the address of the outgoing email
server you are trying to use for all outgoing emails [1].

<http://www.hawaiiantel.net/wps/porta...ssy0xPLMnMz0vM
0Y_QjzKLN4i3dAfJgFku-pGoIsam6CKOcAFvfV-P_NxU_QD9gtzQ0IhyR0UAAiZkSA!!/delta/
base64xml/L3dJdyEvUUd3QndNQSEvNElVRS82XzBfOUg!> or
has instructions for setting up various Windows and Mac email programs;
look at any of those to find the correct outgoing SMTP server (and other
settings) to use.

[1] unless you have an 'Identity' for which you have selected 'use special
transport' in the 'Advanced' tab'.

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

Whiskers wrote:

> On 2007-05-19, Tony Jaa wrote:
>> Tony Jaa wrote:
>>
>>> Rob Kemp wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tony Jaa wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> oh, doesnt Knode use the smtp server to send to the news server?
>>
>> news works just fine in and out.
>>
>> no authentication either.
>
> Reading and posting to newsgroups uses the NNTP protocol, not SMTP, and a
> news-server not a mail-server. Different systems and quite possibly
> different hardware and different sub-contractors.
>


if you use Knode go look at the configuration setup

Whiskers wrote:

> On 2007-05-19, Tony Jaa wrote:
>> foo wrote:
>>
>>> Tony Jaa wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> However, you could specify more details as well. So far you
>>> haven't even bothered to confirm what SMTP server your using.
>>
>> I dont know and my ISP couldnt tell me - tech support isnt that great you
>> know.
>>
>>> Everybody is guessing due to your inability to provide any
>>> details.
>
> [...]
>
> Open Kmail. Click on 'Settings - Configure Kmail - Accounts - Sending'
> and
> select the account marked 'default', and click on 'Modify'. What have you
> put in the box labeled 'Host'? That is the address of the outgoing email
> server you are trying to use for all outgoing emails [1].

smtp.hawaiiantel.net

>
>
<http://www.hawaiiantel.net/wps/porta...ssy0xPLMnMz0vM
>
0Y_QjzKLN4i3dAfJgFku-pGoIsam6CKOcAFvfV-P_NxU_QD9gtzQ0IhyR0UAAiZkSA!!/delta/
> base64xml/L3dJdyEvUUd3QndNQSEvNElVRS82XzBfOUg!> or
> has instructions for setting up various Windows and Mac email programs;
> look at any of those to find the correct outgoing SMTP server (and other
> settings) to use.
>
> [1] unless you have an 'Identity' for which you have selected 'use special
> transport' in the 'Advanced' tab'.
>

foo wrote:

>
>>>
>>> However, you could specify more details as well. So far you
>>> haven't even bothered to confirm what SMTP server your using.
>>
>> I dont know and my ISP couldnt tell me - tech support isnt that great you
>> know.
>>
>
> In a previous post you said "I have checked and rechecked my settings",
> if you don't knows what server to use how could you possibly check
> and/or recheck your settings.
>
> You also said "my server doesnt require authentication",
> the exact opposite of the MTA's response in your initial query.
>
> That's enough from me. Your wasting peoples (mine at least) time.


read my posts you will note I said thats what my ISP's tech support is
telling me.

foo wrote:

> That's enough from me. Your wasting peoples (mine at least) time.

Ahem. (Or, as we say in England, foo cough.)

--
Rob Kemp
rpkemp@postmaster.co.uk

On 2007-05-20, Tony Jaa wrote:
> Whiskers wrote:
>
>> On 2007-05-19, Tony Jaa wrote:
>>> Tony Jaa wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rob Kemp wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tony Jaa wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> oh, doesnt Knode use the smtp server to send to the news server?
>>>
>>> news works just fine in and out.
>>>
>>> no authentication either.
>>
>> Reading and posting to newsgroups uses the NNTP protocol, not SMTP, and a
>> news-server not a mail-server. Different systems and quite possibly
>> different hardware and different sub-contractors.
>
> if you use Knode go look at the configuration setup



If you want to respond privately to a usenet article, you do so using
email; so some news-reader programs are able to send emails, and to do so
they have to have the address and password etc for an SMTP server. You do
not use the SMTP server for reading newsgroups or for posting to them.

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

On 2007-05-20, Tony Jaa wrote:
> Whiskers wrote:
>
>> On 2007-05-19, Tony Jaa wrote:
>>> foo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tony Jaa wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> However, you could specify more details as well. So far you
>>>> haven't even bothered to confirm what SMTP server your using.
>>>
>>> I dont know and my ISP couldnt tell me - tech support isnt that great you
>>> know.
>>>
>>>> Everybody is guessing due to your inability to provide any
>>>> details.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Open Kmail. Click on 'Settings - Configure Kmail - Accounts - Sending'
>> and
>> select the account marked 'default', and click on 'Modify'. What have you
>> put in the box labeled 'Host'? That is the address of the outgoing email
>> server you are trying to use for all outgoing emails [1].
>
> smtp.hawaiiantel.net
>
>> <http://www.hawaiiantel.net/wps/porta...ssy0xPLMnMz0vM
>> 0Y_QjzKLN4i3dAfJgFku-pGoIsam6CKOcAFvfV-P_NxU_QD9gtzQ0IhyR0UAAiZkSA!!/delta/
>> base64xml/L3dJdyEvUUd3QndNQSEvNElVRS82XzBfOUg!> or
>> has instructions for setting up various Windows and Mac email programs;
>> look at any of those to find the correct outgoing SMTP server (and other
>> settings) to use.
>>
>> [1] unless you have an 'Identity' for which you have selected 'use special
>> transport' in the 'Advanced' tab'.

OK; now look at the username and password ...

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

Whiskers wrote:

> On 2007-05-20, Tony Jaa wrote:
>> Whiskers wrote:
>>
>>> On 2007-05-19, Tony Jaa wrote:
>>>> Tony Jaa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rob Kemp wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony Jaa wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> oh, doesnt Knode use the smtp server to send to the news server?
>>>>
>>>> news works just fine in and out.
>>>>
>>>> no authentication either.
>>>
>>> Reading and posting to newsgroups uses the NNTP protocol, not SMTP, and
>>> a
>>> news-server not a mail-server. Different systems and quite possibly
>>> different hardware and different sub-contractors.
>>
>> if you use Knode go look at the configuration setup
>
>
>
> If you want to respond privately to a usenet article, you do so using
> email; so some news-reader programs are able to send emails, and to do so
> they have to have the address and password etc for an SMTP server. You do
> not use the SMTP server for reading newsgroups or for posting to them.
>


I learned something today, thanks!

Whiskers wrote:

> On 2007-05-20, Tony Jaa wrote:
>> Whiskers wrote:
>>
>>> On 2007-05-19, Tony Jaa wrote:
>>>> foo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tony Jaa wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> However, you could specify more details as well. So far you
>>>>> haven't even bothered to confirm what SMTP server your using.
>>>>
>>>> I dont know and my ISP couldnt tell me - tech support isnt that great
>>>> you know.
>>>>
>>>>> Everybody is guessing due to your inability to provide any
>>>>> details.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Open Kmail. Click on 'Settings - Configure Kmail - Accounts - Sending'
>>> and
>>> select the account marked 'default', and click on 'Modify'. What have
>>> you
>>> put in the box labeled 'Host'? That is the address of the outgoing
>>> email server you are trying to use for all outgoing emails [1].
>>
>> smtp.hawaiiantel.net
>>
>>>
<http://www.hawaiiantel.net/wps/porta...ssy0xPLMnMz0vM
>>>
0Y_QjzKLN4i3dAfJgFku-pGoIsam6CKOcAFvfV-P_NxU_QD9gtzQ0IhyR0UAAiZkSA!!/delta/
>>> base64xml/L3dJdyEvUUd3QndNQSEvNElVRS82XzBfOUg!> or
>>> has instructions for setting up various Windows
>>> and Mac email programs; look at any of those to find the correct
>>> outgoing SMTP server (and other settings) to use.
>>>
>>> [1] unless you have an 'Identity' for which you have selected 'use
>>> [special
>>> transport' in the 'Advanced' tab'.
>
> OK; now look at the username and password ...
>


I did and it is correct - what entry do I put into the special transport
advanced tab?

On 2007-05-20, Tony Jaa wrote:
> Whiskers wrote:
>
>> On 2007-05-20, Tony Jaa wrote:
>>> Whiskers wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2007-05-19, Tony Jaa wrote:
>>>>> foo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony Jaa wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>>> However, you could specify more details as well. So far you
>>>>>> haven't even bothered to confirm what SMTP server your using.
>>>>>
>>>>> I dont know and my ISP couldnt tell me - tech support isnt that great
>>>>> you know.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Everybody is guessing due to your inability to provide any
>>>>>> details.
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Open Kmail. Click on 'Settings - Configure Kmail - Accounts - Sending'
>>>> and
>>>> select the account marked 'default', and click on 'Modify'. What have
>>>> you
>>>> put in the box labeled 'Host'? That is the address of the outgoing
>>>> email server you are trying to use for all outgoing emails [1].
>>>
>>> smtp.hawaiiantel.net
>>>
>>>>
> <http://www.hawaiiantel.net/wps/porta...ssy0xPLMnMz0vM
>>>>
> 0Y_QjzKLN4i3dAfJgFku-pGoIsam6CKOcAFvfV-P_NxU_QD9gtzQ0IhyR0UAAiZkSA!!/delta/
>>>> base64xml/L3dJdyEvUUd3QndNQSEvNElVRS82XzBfOUg!> or
>>>> has instructions for setting up various Windows
>>>> and Mac email programs; look at any of those to find the correct
>>>> outgoing SMTP server (and other settings) to use.
>>>>
>>>> [1] unless you have an 'Identity' for which you have selected 'use
>>>> [special
>>>> transport' in the 'Advanced' tab'.
>>
>> OK; now look at the username and password ...
>>
>
>
> I did and it is correct -

Make sure that you have upper-case and lower-case correct, and haven't
confused l for 1 or O for 0

> what entry do I put into the special transport
> advanced tab?

For now, don't. Get the ISP's email server working before trying anything
fancy.

In the 'Security' tab of the default sending account settings, make sure
you have 'None' selected for 'Encryption'. (You can se what happens wen
you click on 'Check what the server supports', but I've known email
servers claim to support security options which they do not in fact
support - 'None' should work anyway).

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

Whiskers wrote:

> On 2007-05-20, Tony Jaa wrote:
>> Whiskers wrote:
>>
>>> On 2007-05-20, Tony Jaa wrote:
>>>> Whiskers wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2007-05-19, Tony Jaa wrote:
>>>>>> foo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tony Jaa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, you could specify more details as well. So far you
>>>>>>> haven't even bothered to confirm what SMTP server your using.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dont know and my ISP couldnt tell me - tech support isnt that great
>>>>>> you know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everybody is guessing due to your inability to provide any
>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> Open Kmail. Click on 'Settings - Configure Kmail - Accounts -
>>>>> Sending' and
>>>>> select the account marked 'default', and click on 'Modify'. What have
>>>>> you
>>>>> put in the box labeled 'Host'? That is the address of the outgoing
>>>>> email server you are trying to use for all outgoing emails [1].
>>>>
>>>> smtp.hawaiiantel.net
>>>>
>>>>>
>>
<http://www.hawaiiantel.net/wps/porta...ssy0xPLMnMz0vM
>>>>>
>>
0Y_QjzKLN4i3dAfJgFku-pGoIsam6CKOcAFvfV-P_NxU_QD9gtzQ0IhyR0UAAiZkSA!!/delta/
>>>>> base64xml/L3dJdyEvUUd3QndNQSEvNElVRS82XzBfOUg!> or
>>>>> has instructions for setting up various Windows
>>>>> and Mac email programs; look at any of those to find the correct
>>>>> outgoing SMTP server (and other settings) to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] unless you have an 'Identity' for which you have selected 'use
>>>>> [special
>>>>> transport' in the 'Advanced' tab'.
>>>
>>> OK; now look at the username and password ...
>>>
>>
>>
>> I did and it is correct -
>
> Make sure that you have upper-case and lower-case correct, and haven't
> confused l for 1 or O for 0
>
>> what entry do I put into the special transport
>> advanced tab?
>
> For now, don't. Get the ISP's email server working before trying anything
> fancy.
>
> In the 'Security' tab of the default sending account settings, make sure
> you have 'None' selected for 'Encryption'. (You can se what happens wen
> you click on 'Check what the server supports', but I've known email
> servers claim to support security options which they do not in fact
> support - 'None' should work anyway).
>


well, its working right now, no encryption was the choice all along.
The host, port and authentication are the same as they have been.
One thing though, the authentication method is now plain, I had set it to
login, not sure how it got changed. My ISP says its supposed to be on
login.

A friend who lives about 1/2 mile away has some contacts within the ISP
company and I asked him to do a bit of detective wok for me and see if my
ISP has been doing some work on the email server. Might take a few days
before I find out but the last time I installed Mandriva - 6-8 months ago
it worked from the start. Didnt have to play around with it. Something is
very strange about this propblem.