ooffice and equation editor

A collegue has just started to use Linux (Mandriva 2007) and one of the

things he needs is to prepare powerpoint type slides for class. Since he is

a physicist, he needs equations. Does anyone know of a good equation editor

for ooffice? He says that what he has found is pretty inadequate, but may

well have missed something. Does anyone have any adivce?

Thanks

Re: ooffice and equation editor

On 2007-04-11, Unruh <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote:[color=blue]

> A collegue has just started to use Linux (Mandriva 2007) and one of the

> things he needs is to prepare powerpoint type slides for class. Since he is

> a physicist, he needs equations. Does anyone know of a good equation editor

> for ooffice? He says that what he has found is pretty inadequate, but may

> well have missed something. Does anyone have any adivce?[/color]

If you can't find a better option, I would suggest

Applixware version 5. You can find copies on Ebay fairly

for not much. For Mandriva 2007, it requires a version of

the 'rpm' package from testing. (I can give more details if

needed.) I made it through a whole CSE master's degree

program and three additional courses using it for those

courses that required assignments in fancy form.

--

Robert Riches

[email]spamtrap42@verizon.net[/email]

(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

Re: ooffice and equation editor

Quoth Unruh :

[color=blue]

> A collegue has just started to use Linux (Mandriva 2007) and one of the

> things he needs is to prepare powerpoint type slides for class. Since he

> is a physicist, he needs equations. Does anyone know of a good equation

> editor for ooffice? He says that what he has found is pretty inadequate,

> but may well have missed something. Does anyone have any adivce?[/color]

I can't speak to suitability but "urpmi koffice-kformula" will at least

provide an alternative (for KDE users). I can attest to the fact that

koffice is currently healthier than it used to be.

--

The Man in the Yellow Hat

Linux with a monkey, since 1996.

Re: ooffice and equation editor

Unruh wrote:[color=blue]

> A collegue has just started to use Linux (Mandriva 2007) and one of

> the things he needs is to prepare powerpoint type slides for class.

> Since he is a physicist, he needs equations.[/color]

Has your colleague looked at TeX Live?

[url]http://www.tug.org/texlive/[/url]

I haven't used any of these things, but I started googling out of

curiousity and I didn't want to waste my effort. :)

First I found eqe

[url]http://rlehy.free.fr/[/url]

which has a screenshot that looks good, so I was encouraged that I

was on the right track.

I don't have LaTeX or TeX on my Mandriva 2006 CDs, but I do have

teTeX on my CDs:

"Description: teTeX is an implementation of TeX for Linux or UNIX

systems."

Since your colleague uses Mandriva 2007, I looked in the Mandriva

2007 software sources for teTeX but did not find it. I suspect that

is because:

"I (Thomas Esser) have decided not to make new releases of teTeX any

more (May 2006). The information below might get out of date as time

goes by. I suggest anybody interested in teTeX to join the TeX Live

project." which is from

[url]http://www.tug.org/tetex/[/url]

Re: ooffice and equation editor

"Scott B." <bgates@example.invalid> writes:

[color=blue]

>Unruh wrote:[color=green]

>> A collegue has just started to use Linux (Mandriva 2007) and one of

>> the things he needs is to prepare powerpoint type slides for class.

>> Since he is a physicist, he needs equations.[/color][/color]

[color=blue]

>Has your colleague looked at TeX Live?

>[url]http://www.tug.org/texlive/[/url][/color]

He certainly knows about Tex. The problem is not making articles, but

rather power point presentation ( or Open Office ) with embedded equations.

He finds teh power point equation editing very primative, but suspects that

maybe he just does not understand Open Office or how to set it up.

[color=blue]

>I haven't used any of these things, but I started googling out of

>curiousity and I didn't want to waste my effort. :)[/color]

[color=blue]

>First I found eqe

>[url]http://rlehy.free.fr/[/url]

>which has a screenshot that looks good, so I was encouraged that I

>was on the right track.[/color]

[color=blue]

>I don't have LaTeX or TeX on my Mandriva 2006 CDs, but I do have

>teTeX on my CDs:

>"Description: teTeX is an implementation of TeX for Linux or UNIX

>systems."[/color]

[color=blue]

>Since your colleague uses Mandriva 2007, I looked in the Mandriva

>2007 software sources for teTeX but did not find it. I suspect that

>is because:

>"I (Thomas Esser) have decided not to make new releases of teTeX any

>more (May 2006). The information below might get out of date as time

>goes by. I suggest anybody interested in teTeX to join the TeX Live

>project." which is from

>[url]http://www.tug.org/tetex/[/url][/color]

Re: ooffice and equation editor

On 2007-04-11, Unruh <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote:[color=blue]

> "Scott B." <bgates@example.invalid> writes:

>[color=green]

>>Unruh wrote:[color=darkred]

>>> A collegue has just started to use Linux (Mandriva 2007) and one of

>>> the things he needs is to prepare powerpoint type slides for class.

>>> Since he is a physicist, he needs equations.[/color][/color]

>[color=green]

>>Has your colleague looked at TeX Live?

>>[url]http://www.tug.org/texlive/[/url][/color]

>

> He certainly knows about Tex. The problem is not making articles, but

> rather power point presentation ( or Open Office ) with embedded equations.

> He finds teh power point equation editing very primative, but suspects that

> maybe he just does not understand Open Office or how to set it up.[/color]

snip

Perhaps he could use TeX (or Lyx - which is available for Mandriva) to

produce a file which can be imported into his presentation? I'm not a

physicist or a presentation guru, but I do know of one physics teacher who

uses LaTeX (on a Mac) to produce very presentable documents incorporating

formulae and equations. Word Processors generally seem to be very weak at

handling conventional mathematical and 'scientific' notation.

--

-- ^^^^^^^^^^

-- Whiskers

-- ~~~~~~~~~~

Re: ooffice and equation editor

Unruh wrote:[color=blue]

> He certainly knows about Tex. The problem is not making articles,

> but rather power point presentation ( or Open Office ) with

> embedded equations. He finds teh power point equation editing very

> primative, but suspects that maybe he just does not understand Open

> Office or how to set it up.[/color]

I have read that the OOo equation editing is too primitive for

mathemeticians (and others). Your colleague would not use OOo Math

or Impress to edit equations more advanced than the builtin OOo

offerings. He would make another image for each subsequent step,

then embed each into OOo Impress.

Simple example:

ab = c (make and embed an image for the first slide)

a = c/b (edit the first text file, then make and embed an image for

the second slide)

BTW, I'm listening right now to a radio interview (KTTH) of John

Cramer at the University of Washington.

Re: ooffice and equation editor

Scott B. wrote:[color=blue]

> Unruh wrote:[color=green]

>> He certainly knows about Tex. The problem is not making articles,

>> but rather power point presentation ( or Open Office ) with

>> embedded equations. He finds teh power point equation editing very

>> primative, but suspects that maybe he just does not understand Open

>> Office or how to set it up.[/color]

>

> I have read that the OOo equation editing is too primitive for

> mathemeticians (and others). Your colleague would not use OOo Math

> or Impress to edit equations more advanced than the builtin OOo

> offerings. He would make another image for each subsequent step,

> then embed each into OOo Impress.

>

> Simple example:

> ab = c (make and embed an image for the first slide)

> a = c/b (edit the first text file, then make and embed an image for

> the second slide)

>

> BTW, I'm listening right now to a radio interview (KTTH) of John

> Cramer at the University of Washington.[/color]

Hello Unruh,

I type quite a bit of mathematics and I've used Lyx for a number of

years. Lyx produces Latex code which the Lyx user never views. Lyx comes

with a tutorial and with a manual. Lyx allows the import of graphics.

You can input additional mathematical symbols from the keyboard. A very

good source of mathematical symbols which can be input from the keyboard

is the book,

The Latex Companion by Goosens.

Lyx also provides a menu entry for viewing the mathematical text just

input. This view is exactly the page(s) you would expect to output by a

normal printer.

Donald

Re: ooffice and equation editor

Donald MacKinnon <d.j.mackinnon@btinternet.com> writes:

[color=blue]

>Scott B. wrote:[color=green]

>> Unruh wrote:[color=darkred]

>>> He certainly knows about Tex. The problem is not making articles,

>>> but rather power point presentation ( or Open Office ) with

>>> embedded equations. He finds teh power point equation editing very

>>> primative, but suspects that maybe he just does not understand Open

>>> Office or how to set it up.[/color]

>>

>> I have read that the OOo equation editing is too primitive for

>> mathemeticians (and others). Your colleague would not use OOo Math

>> or Impress to edit equations more advanced than the builtin OOo

>> offerings. He would make another image for each subsequent step,

>> then embed each into OOo Impress.

>>

>> Simple example:

>> ab = c (make and embed an image for the first slide)

>> a = c/b (edit the first text file, then make and embed an image for

>> the second slide)

>>

>> BTW, I'm listening right now to a radio interview (KTTH) of John

>> Cramer at the University of Washington.[/color]

>Hello Unruh,

>I type quite a bit of mathematics and I've used Lyx for a number of

>years. Lyx produces Latex code which the Lyx user never views. Lyx comes

>with a tutorial and with a manual. Lyx allows the import of graphics.

>You can input additional mathematical symbols from the keyboard. A very

>good source of mathematical symbols which can be input from the keyboard

>is the book,

>The Latex Companion by Goosens.

>Lyx also provides a menu entry for viewing the mathematical text just

>input. This view is exactly the page(s) you would expect to output by a

>normal printer.

>Donald[/color]

The problem again is not with papers. The problem is with "powerpoint" type

presentations. Latex allows inport of pictures, but it is a bit of a kludge

and it is not terribly easy ( eg nor simply point and click )

The question still is-- has anyone created an equation editor for Open

Office Impress which is at least as good as the one that is contained in

Powerpoint?

Re: ooffice and equation editor

OK, I found omath-- the math editor for openoffice. It uses some obscure

markup language ( well obscure to me.)

prod from{iiint %mu } to{%KAPPA} ldbracket tan(sin(y)^{cos(x)})

rdbracket = f(y)newline newline ( partial _x +partial_y ) %PSI%phi(x,y) %PI

%SIGMA %tau {int from 0 to x %lambda(t) dt} over {sin(%chi) }

is an example of an equation. What markup language is this?

(It looks a lot like a TeX bastardization.)

Unruh <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> writes:

[color=blue]

>Donald MacKinnon <d.j.mackinnon@btinternet.com> writes:[/color]

[color=blue][color=green]

>>Scott B. wrote:[color=darkred]

>>> Unruh wrote:

>>>> He certainly knows about Tex. The problem is not making articles,

>>>> but rather power point presentation ( or Open Office ) with

>>>> embedded equations. He finds teh power point equation editing very

>>>> primative, but suspects that maybe he just does not understand Open

>>>> Office or how to set it up.

>>>

>>> I have read that the OOo equation editing is too primitive for

>>> mathemeticians (and others). Your colleague would not use OOo Math

>>> or Impress to edit equations more advanced than the builtin OOo

>>> offerings. He would make another image for each subsequent step,

>>> then embed each into OOo Impress.

>>>

>>> Simple example:

>>> ab = c (make and embed an image for the first slide)

>>> a = c/b (edit the first text file, then make and embed an image for

>>> the second slide)

>>>

>>> BTW, I'm listening right now to a radio interview (KTTH) of John

>>> Cramer at the University of Washington.[/color]

>>Hello Unruh,

>>I type quite a bit of mathematics and I've used Lyx for a number of

>>years. Lyx produces Latex code which the Lyx user never views. Lyx comes

>>with a tutorial and with a manual. Lyx allows the import of graphics.

>>You can input additional mathematical symbols from the keyboard. A very

>>good source of mathematical symbols which can be input from the keyboard

>>is the book,

>>The Latex Companion by Goosens.

>>Lyx also provides a menu entry for viewing the mathematical text just

>>input. This view is exactly the page(s) you would expect to output by a

>>normal printer.

>>Donald[/color][/color]

[color=blue]

>The problem again is not with papers. The problem is with "powerpoint" type

>presentations. Latex allows inport of pictures, but it is a bit of a kludge

>and it is not terribly easy ( eg nor simply point and click )[/color]

[color=blue]

>The question still is-- has anyone created an equation editor for Open

>Office Impress which is at least as good as the one that is contained in

>Powerpoint?[/color]

Re: ooffice and equation editor

Unruh wrote:[color=blue]

> A collegue has just started to use Linux (Mandriva 2007) and one of the

> things he needs is to prepare powerpoint type slides for class. Since he is

> a physicist, he needs equations. Does anyone know of a good equation editor

> for ooffice? He says that what he has found is pretty inadequate, but may

> well have missed something. Does anyone have any adivce?

>

> Thanks

>

>[/color]

Hello,

I teach high school calculus and I have found the open office equation

editor to be quite powerful, more so than the built in formula editor

that comes with MS Office. I personally prefer it to Math Type. I have

used it for about 8 years now. (its the same editor that Star Office

has, so it predates open office.)It can be used with a point and click

interface, which is quite clumsy but allows you to learn the markup

language which can be typed directly into a window and lets you see the

result instantly. A lot of the tags are similar to Latex (at least on a

very basic level.) It does have a bit of a learning curve but so does

any formula editor. I don't usually compose anything in "Impress" but

from the word processor you just do insert --> object ---> formula to

bring up the editor window. I believe that it is the same string of

commands in impress.

Good Luck,

Mark