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  1. upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva



    Hi all.

    I would like to upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to the latest mandriva. I have a
    10.1 power pack. i do not want to loose some of the commercial software
    (that comes with 10.1 pow.pk.) functionality.

    Will software that is currently running stop working or act strangely if I
    upgrade to a recent free (non-commercial) mandriva release?

    If so, can I re-instal it so that it does work, perhaps from the 10.1 CDs?

    Thanks

    Alp


  2. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:18:30 GMT, alp wrote:
    >
    >
    > Hi all.
    >
    > I would like to upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to the latest mandriva.


    I would not recommend an upgrade. Create a new ~10 gig partition.
    install 2008.0 there. That way you can have a multi-boot setup.

    > I have a 10.1 power pack. i do not want to loose some of the
    > commercial software (that comes with 10.1 pow.pk.) functionality.


    Exactly what commercial software are you interested in?

    > Will software that is currently running stop working or act strangely if I
    > upgrade to a recent free (non-commercial) mandriva release?


    You might want to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
    It helps to know which software program(s)

    > If so, can I re-instal it so that it does work, perhaps from the 10.1 CDs?


    Again, It helps to know which software program(s)

  3. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    alp writes:



    >Hi all.


    >I would like to upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to the latest mandriva. I have a
    >10.1 power pack. i do not want to loose some of the commercial software
    >(that comes with 10.1 pow.pk.) functionality.


    >Will software that is currently running stop working or act strangely if I
    >upgrade to a recent free (non-commercial) mandriva release?


    >If so, can I re-instal it so that it does work, perhaps from the 10.1 CDs?

    Perhaps. Some software demands old versions of libraries. Youcan often get
    around this, but it is a pain. However other software does not care and
    runs fine. bBut why not tell us which software you worry about.



    >Thanks


    >Alp



  4. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:18:30 -0500, alp "> wrote:

    > I would like to upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to the latest mandriva. I have a
    > 10.1 power pack. i do not want to loose some of the commercial software
    > (that comes with 10.1 pow.pk.) functionality.


    I'll be a little more blunt then BitTwister.

    Don't even consider trying to upgrade. It's bad enough trying to updrade
    from one release, to the next. Going from 10.1 to 2008.0 definitily would
    not work. The biggest problem would be the switch from devfs to udev,
    but that's only the start.

    > Will software that is currently running stop working or act strangely if I
    > upgrade to a recent free (non-commercial) mandriva release?


    The versions on the 10.1 powerpack would not be suitable for installing
    on 2008, and an upgrade of your existing system, just wouldn't work. Install
    the new version in new partitions, and then copy your data over from the
    10.1 installation.

    As far as I know, all of the software provided with the powerpack edition,
    is available for download from the mirrors. If your internet connection
    is fairly fast, I'd just download the iso, install it, set up the urpmi
    repositories, and install the updates, and desired software.

    Given that 2008.1 is currently in beta 2, and you've waited this long, you
    may want to wait a month or two, until it is released.

    Also, since your hardware is supported by Mandrake 10.1, I'd be very surprised
    if you required any of the proprietory drivers from the install. You should
    be able to download such drivers after the install, if you need them for
    faster/better hardware support, but the free versions should be enough to
    get you started.

    Btw, very few people still read this newsgroup. The newsgroup
    alt.os.linux.mandriva is much more active.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  5. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    alp wrote:

    >
    >
    > Hi all.
    >
    > I would like to upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to the latest mandriva. I have
    > a 10.1 power pack. i do not want to loose some of the commercial software
    > (that comes with 10.1 pow.pk.) functionality.
    >
    > Will software that is currently running stop working or act strangely if I
    > upgrade to a recent free (non-commercial) mandriva release?
    >

    There have been too many changes in between. You'd have to update
    step-by-step (10.1 to 10.2 to 2005 to 2006 and so on) and carry all bloat
    and non-optimal configuration files with you. Forget it.

    > If so, can I re-instal it so that it does work, perhaps from the 10.1 CDs?
    >

    You may reinstall old 10.1 but there are no security and bugfix updates
    available anymore on regular mirrors.
    As already mentioned, install 2008.x on a new partition and try to port as
    much as you can from the other.

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  6. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    Thanks for all the advice.
    Looks like I'll have to do a amll move, bit by bit and see what happens.

    I am so lucky people still read this newsgroup.

    Alp


  7. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    Bit Twister wrote:

    > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:18:30 GMT, alp wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> Hi all.
    >>
    >> I would like to upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to the latest mandriva.

    >
    > I would not recommend an upgrade. Create a new ~10 gig partition.
    > install 2008.0 there. That way you can have a multi-boot setup.
    >
    >> I have a 10.1 power pack. i do not want to loose some of the
    >> commercial software (that comes with 10.1 pow.pk.) functionality.

    >
    > Exactly what commercial software are you interested in?
    >
    >> Will software that is currently running stop working or act strangely if
    >> I upgrade to a recent free (non-commercial) mandriva release?

    >
    > You might want to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
    > It helps to know which software program(s)
    >
    >> If so, can I re-instal it so that it does work, perhaps from the 10.1
    >> CDs?

    >
    > Again, It helps to know which software program(s)

    10.1 powerpack, has the propiatary ATI graphics drivers however I have
    since moved to NVidia due to ATI's lack of interest in Linux. There is also
    rosegarden, realplayer, a couple others.

    Alp




  8. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:27:19 GMT, alp wrote:


    > 10.1 powerpack, has the propiatary ATI graphics drivers however I have
    > since moved to NVidia due to ATI's lack of interest in Linux.


    Been thinking about changing graphics cards my self.
    ATI has started releasing driver code to open source. Hope to have an
    open source ATI driver which can run Flighgear by mid year.
    Latest update night before last, had a new one which gears shows
    2698 frames in 5.000 seconds = 539.600 FPS

    > There is also rosegarden, realplayer, a couple others.


    You can go to a mirror and download the pkg idx file which you can
    grep to see what is on the media. Example:

    I see the "main" mirror has
    rosegarden-1.5.1-3mdv2008.0.i586.rpm 8314063 Oct 05 00:11
    but it is not on the media.

    Helixcommunity has a realplayer for download.
    https://player.helixcommunity.org/2005/downloads/

    RealPlayer-10.0.8.805-20060718.i586.rpm


  9. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:38:24 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

    > I see the "main" mirror has
    > rosegarden-1.5.1-3mdv2008.0.i586.rpm 8314063 Oct 05 00:11
    > but it is not on the media.


    Just checked ...
    # urpmi rosegarden
    To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
    Package Version Release Arch
    (medium "installrpms")
    lilypond 2.11.31 1mdv2008.0 i586 (suggested)
    (medium "Main (Official2008.0-4)")
    liblrdf2 0.4.0 3mdv2008.0 i586
    libsndfile-progs 1.0.18 0.pre11.7mdv> i586
    rosegarden 1.5.1 3mdv2008.0 i586
    (medium "Contrib (Official2008.0-8)")
    lilypond-doc 2.11.31 1mdv2008.0 i586 (suggested)
    117MB of additional disk space will be used.
    Proceed with the installation of the 5 packages? (Y/n) y

    ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/m...008.0.i586.rpm
    ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/m...008.0.i586.rpm



    [root@hodgins ~]# ll /var/cache/urpmi/partial/
    total 320
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24141 2008-02-21 13:47 libsndfile-progs-1.0.18-0.pre11.7mdv2008.0.i586.rpm
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 98 2008-02-21 12:26 MD5SUM
    -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 296840 2008-02-21 13:48 rosegarden-1.5.1-3mdv2008.0.i586.rpm

    Looks like it is present on the secsup mirror.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  10. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:38:24 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

    > Latest update night before last, had a new one which gears shows
    > 2698 frames in 5.000 seconds = 539.600 FPS


    xorg.config and bios agp aperature size have a big impact. For my
    radeon 9200SE, I have
    Section "Device"
    Identifier "device1"
    VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc"
    BoardName "ATI Radeon 9250 and earlier"
    Driver "ati"
    Option "DPMS"
    Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
    Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" "1"
    Option "AGPMode" "8"
    Option "ColorTiling" "on"
    EndSection

    Note that the AGPMode defaults to 4, if not set, as above, and the
    ColorTiling also defaults to off.

    With the AGP aperture set to 128M in the bios setup.
    glxgears shows around 1130 fps.

    If I increase the aperture size to 256M, the fps increases to around
    1500, but I don't want to give up that much ram, since I rarely use
    applications that need that much speed.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  11. Re: [ OT ] upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:58:38 -0500, David W. Hodgins wrote:
    > On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:38:24 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:
    >
    >> Latest update night before last, had a new one which gears shows
    >> 2698 frames in 5.000 seconds = 539.600 FPS


    The default install gives about 467 frames in 5 seconds.

    > xorg.config and bios agp aperature size have a big impact. For my
    > radeon 9200SE, I have
    > Section "Device"
    > Identifier "device1"
    > VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc"
    > BoardName "ATI Radeon 9250 and earlier"
    > Driver "ati"


    I have an on board RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] which sets

    BoardName "ATI Radeon 9500 to Radeon X1050"
    Driver "fglrx"
    Option "DPMS"

    The plf-non-free fglrx back on release 2007.1 was the last driver
    which would work good enough for Flighgear.


  12. Re: [ OT ] upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:08:59 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

    > I have an on board RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] which sets


    Just curious, what does lspci -vvv show for the device?

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  13. Re: [ OT ] upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:33:48 -0500, David W. Hodgins wrote:
    > On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:08:59 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:
    >
    >> I have an on board RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] which sets

    >
    > Just curious, what does lspci -vvv show for the device?


    01:05.0 VGA compatible controller:
    ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] (prog-if 00 [VGA])
    Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 2a24
    Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
    ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
    Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
    >TAbort- SERR-
    Latency: 255 (2000ns min), Cache Line Size: 32 bytes
    Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 20
    Region 0: Memory at d8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
    Region 1: I/O ports at ef00 [size=256]
    Region 2: Memory at fddf0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
    [virtual] Expansion ROM at fdd00000 [disabled] [size=128K]
    Capabilities:


  14. Re: [ OT ] upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:37:12 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

    > Capabilities:


    Try running it as root . The Capabilities is the main part I'm curious about.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  15. Re: [ OT ] upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:55:23 -0500, David W. Hodgins wrote:
    > On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:37:12 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:
    >
    >> Capabilities:

    >
    > Try running it as root . The Capabilities is the main part I'm curious about.


    sorry, it worked, so I did not read all of what I posted. :-(

    01:05.0 VGA compatible controller:
    ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] (prog-if 00 [VGA])
    Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 2a24
    Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr-
    Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
    Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
    >TAbort- SERR-
    Latency: 255 (2000ns min), Cache Line Size: 32 bytes
    Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 20
    Region 0: Memory at d8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
    Region 1: I/O ports at ef00 [size=256]
    Region 2: Memory at fddf0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
    [virtual] Expansion ROM at fdd00000 [disabled] [size=128K]
    Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
    Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
    Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-


  16. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    Bit Twister wrote:


    >
    >> There is also rosegarden, realplayer, a couple others.

    >
    > You can go to a mirror and download the pkg idx file which you can
    > grep to see what is on the media. Example:
    >
    > I see the "main" mirror has
    > rosegarden-1.5.1-3mdv2008.0.i586.rpm 8314063 Oct 05 00:11
    > but it is not on the media.
    >
    > Helixcommunity has a realplayer for download.
    > https://player.helixcommunity.org/2005/downloads/
    >
    > RealPlayer-10.0.8.805-20060718.i586.rpm


    Thanks.

    If it isn't on a cd or dvd and I can't urpmi it (or download an rpm) I'll
    have trouble. If it needs the least bit of configuration manually I'll have
    a very ard time. Call me an extended newbie. I reached my comfort level and
    stayed there.

    I'll look into the stuff you sent me and see if I can make sense of it.

    Alp


  17. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    David W. Hodgins wrote:

    > On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:38:24 -0500, Bit Twister
    > wrote:
    >
    >> I see the "main" mirror has
    >> rosegarden-1.5.1-3mdv2008.0.i586.rpm 8314063 Oct 05 00:11
    >> but it is not on the media.

    >
    > Just checked ...
    > # urpmi rosegarden
    > To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
    > Package Version Release Arch
    > (medium "installrpms")
    > lilypond 2.11.31 1mdv2008.0 i586
    > (suggested)
    > (medium "Main (Official2008.0-4)")
    > liblrdf2 0.4.0 3mdv2008.0 i586
    > libsndfile-progs 1.0.18 0.pre11.7mdv> i586
    > rosegarden 1.5.1 3mdv2008.0 i586
    > (medium "Contrib (Official2008.0-8)")
    > lilypond-doc 2.11.31 1mdv2008.0 i586
    > (suggested)
    > 117MB of additional disk space will be used.
    > Proceed with the installation of the 5 packages? (Y/n) y
    >
    >

    ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/m...008.0.i586.rpm
    >

    ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/m...008.0.i586.rpm
    >
    > > dowload>
    >
    > [root@hodgins ~]# ll /var/cache/urpmi/partial/
    > total 320
    > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24141 2008-02-21 13:47
    > libsndfile-progs-1.0.18-0.pre11.7mdv2008.0.i586.rpm
    > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 98 2008-02-21 12:26 MD5SUM
    > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 296840 2008-02-21 13:48
    > rosegarden-1.5.1-3mdv2008.0.i586.rpm
    >
    > Looks like it is present on the secsup mirror.
    >
    > Regards, Dave Hodgins
    >

    From what I can gather, you seem to be saying that if I had mandriva
    official 2008 version I could urpmi the rosegarden software. What if I am
    running the free dvd version? (or are they the same thing, excuse me if
    they are...).

    Alp



  18. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:37:47 GMT, alp wrote:

    > From what I can gather, you seem to be saying that if I had mandriva
    > official 2008 version I could urpmi the rosegarden software. What if I am
    > running the free dvd version? (or are they the same thing, excuse me if
    > they are...).


    From what you said, they are the same.

    $ cat /etc/release
    Mandriva Linux release 2008.0 (Official) for i586

    Mine was installed from the mandriva-linux-2008.0-free-dvd-i586.iso


  19. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    On 2008-02-22, Bit Twister wrote:
    > On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:37:47 GMT, alp wrote:
    >
    >> From what I can gather, you seem to be saying that if I had mandriva
    >> official 2008 version I could urpmi the rosegarden software. What if I am
    >> running the free dvd version? (or are they the same thing, excuse me if
    >> they are...).

    >
    > From what you said, they are the same.
    >
    > $ cat /etc/release
    > Mandriva Linux release 2008.0 (Official) for i586
    >
    > Mine was installed from the mandriva-linux-2008.0-free-dvd-i586.iso


    I think the difference between the free and the paid-for versions is in
    the various commercial and non-GPL software included in the paid-for DVD.
    The free version doesn't stop you from installing the commercial etc
    packages, but you have to do it after installing Mandriva and setting up
    your URPMI 'sources' or finding the web site of the program's maintainers.

    The paid-for version is able to install and set up things like nVidia
    drivers and media players and codecs automatically as part of the OS
    installation process, but if you use the free version you have to do that
    sort of thing for yourself once you've got the system running. (Unlike
    Ubuntu, Mandriva doesn't have a millionaire sponsor to pay for all the
    commercial distribution licences, I suppose).

    I have the club-member (ie paid-for) Power Pack version [1], but the
    'kernel' etc is the same as the 'free' version:

    $ cat /etc/release
    Mandriva Linux release 2008.0 (Official) for i586

    [1] I have not converted my paid club membership to a 'Power Pack
    membership'; I'm not keen on reinstalling everything every six months, so
    it is better for me to consider buying each Power Pack version as it comes
    out - in fact the idea of a 'rolling release' attracts me, so I might
    migrate to another distro one of these days. But I do like the MCC and
    URPMI.

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  20. Re: upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to latest mandriva

    On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:37:47 -0500, alp "> wrote:

    > From what I can gather, you seem to be saying that if I had mandriva
    > official 2008 version I could urpmi the rosegarden software. What if I am
    > running the free dvd version? (or are they the same thing, excuse me if
    > they are...).


    The powerpack dvd comes with proprietory drivers ready to install. With
    the free dvd, you have to download them, in order to install them.

    I'm running the free 2008.0 version.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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