On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:18:30 GMT, alp wrote:
>
>
> Hi all.
>
> I would like to upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to the latest mandriva.

I would not recommend an upgrade. Create a new ~10 gig partition.
install 2008.0 there. That way you can have a multi-boot setup.

> I have a 10.1 power pack. i do not want to loose some of the
> commercial software (that comes with 10.1 pow.pk.) functionality.

Exactly what commercial software are you interested in?

> Will software that is currently running stop working or act strangely if I
> upgrade to a recent free (non-commercial) mandriva release?

You might want to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
It helps to know which software program(s)

> If so, can I re-instal it so that it does work, perhaps from the 10.1 CDs?

Again, It helps to know which software program(s)

alp writes:



>Hi all.

>I would like to upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to the latest mandriva. I have a
>10.1 power pack. i do not want to loose some of the commercial software
>(that comes with 10.1 pow.pk.) functionality.

>Will software that is currently running stop working or act strangely if I
>upgrade to a recent free (non-commercial) mandriva release?

>If so, can I re-instal it so that it does work, perhaps from the 10.1 CDs?
Perhaps. Some software demands old versions of libraries. Youcan often get
around this, but it is a pain. However other software does not care and
runs fine. bBut why not tell us which software you worry about.



>Thanks

>Alp

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:18:30 -0500, alp "> wrote:

> I would like to upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to the latest mandriva. I have a
> 10.1 power pack. i do not want to loose some of the commercial software
> (that comes with 10.1 pow.pk.) functionality.

I'll be a little more blunt then BitTwister.

Don't even consider trying to upgrade. It's bad enough trying to updrade
from one release, to the next. Going from 10.1 to 2008.0 definitily would
not work. The biggest problem would be the switch from devfs to udev,
but that's only the start.

> Will software that is currently running stop working or act strangely if I
> upgrade to a recent free (non-commercial) mandriva release?

The versions on the 10.1 powerpack would not be suitable for installing
on 2008, and an upgrade of your existing system, just wouldn't work. Install
the new version in new partitions, and then copy your data over from the
10.1 installation.

As far as I know, all of the software provided with the powerpack edition,
is available for download from the mirrors. If your internet connection
is fairly fast, I'd just download the iso, install it, set up the urpmi
repositories, and install the updates, and desired software.

Given that 2008.1 is currently in beta 2, and you've waited this long, you
may want to wait a month or two, until it is released.

Also, since your hardware is supported by Mandrake 10.1, I'd be very surprised
if you required any of the proprietory drivers from the install. You should
be able to download such drivers after the install, if you need them for
faster/better hardware support, but the free versions should be enough to
get you started.

Btw, very few people still read this newsgroup. The newsgroup
alt.os.linux.mandriva is much more active.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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alp wrote:

>
>
> Hi all.
>
> I would like to upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to the latest mandriva. I have
> a 10.1 power pack. i do not want to loose some of the commercial software
> (that comes with 10.1 pow.pk.) functionality.
>
> Will software that is currently running stop working or act strangely if I
> upgrade to a recent free (non-commercial) mandriva release?
>
There have been too many changes in between. You'd have to update
step-by-step (10.1 to 10.2 to 2005 to 2006 and so on) and carry all bloat
and non-optimal configuration files with you. Forget it.

> If so, can I re-instal it so that it does work, perhaps from the 10.1 CDs?
>
You may reinstall old 10.1 but there are no security and bugfix updates
available anymore on regular mirrors.
As already mentioned, install 2008.x on a new partition and try to port as
much as you can from the other.

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Thanks for all the advice.
Looks like I'll have to do a amll move, bit by bit and see what happens.

I am so lucky people still read this newsgroup.

Alp

Bit Twister wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:18:30 GMT, alp wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I would like to upgrade from mandrake 10.1 to the latest mandriva.
>
> I would not recommend an upgrade. Create a new ~10 gig partition.
> install 2008.0 there. That way you can have a multi-boot setup.
>
>> I have a 10.1 power pack. i do not want to loose some of the
>> commercial software (that comes with 10.1 pow.pk.) functionality.
>
> Exactly what commercial software are you interested in?
>
>> Will software that is currently running stop working or act strangely if
>> I upgrade to a recent free (non-commercial) mandriva release?
>
> You might want to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> It helps to know which software program(s)
>
>> If so, can I re-instal it so that it does work, perhaps from the 10.1
>> CDs?
>
> Again, It helps to know which software program(s)
10.1 powerpack, has the propiatary ATI graphics drivers however I have
since moved to NVidia due to ATI's lack of interest in Linux. There is also
rosegarden, realplayer, a couple others.

Alp

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:27:19 GMT, alp wrote:


> 10.1 powerpack, has the propiatary ATI graphics drivers however I have
> since moved to NVidia due to ATI's lack of interest in Linux.

Been thinking about changing graphics cards my self.
ATI has started releasing driver code to open source. Hope to have an
open source ATI driver which can run Flighgear by mid year.
Latest update night before last, had a new one which gears shows
2698 frames in 5.000 seconds = 539.600 FPS

> There is also rosegarden, realplayer, a couple others.

You can go to a mirror and download the pkg idx file which you can
grep to see what is on the media. Example:

I see the "main" mirror has
rosegarden-1.5.1-3mdv2008.0.i586.rpm 8314063 Oct 05 00:11
but it is not on the media.

Helixcommunity has a realplayer for download.
https://player.helixcommunity.org/2005/downloads/

RealPlayer-10.0.8.805-20060718.i586.rpm

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:38:24 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

> I see the "main" mirror has
> rosegarden-1.5.1-3mdv2008.0.i586.rpm 8314063 Oct 05 00:11
> but it is not on the media.

Just checked ...
# urpmi rosegarden
To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
Package Version Release Arch
(medium "installrpms")
lilypond 2.11.31 1mdv2008.0 i586 (suggested)
(medium "Main (Official2008.0-4)")
liblrdf2 0.4.0 3mdv2008.0 i586
libsndfile-progs 1.0.18 0.pre11.7mdv> i586
rosegarden 1.5.1 3mdv2008.0 i586
(medium "Contrib (Official2008.0-8)")
lilypond-doc 2.11.31 1mdv2008.0 i586 (suggested)
117MB of additional disk space will be used.
Proceed with the installation of the 5 packages? (Y/n) y

ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/m...008.0.i586.rpm
ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/m...008.0.i586.rpm



[root@hodgins ~]# ll /var/cache/urpmi/partial/
total 320
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24141 2008-02-21 13:47 libsndfile-progs-1.0.18-0.pre11.7mdv2008.0.i586.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 98 2008-02-21 12:26 MD5SUM
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 296840 2008-02-21 13:48 rosegarden-1.5.1-3mdv2008.0.i586.rpm

Looks like it is present on the secsup mirror.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:38:24 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

> Latest update night before last, had a new one which gears shows
> 2698 frames in 5.000 seconds = 539.600 FPS

xorg.config and bios agp aperature size have a big impact. For my
radeon 9200SE, I have
Section "Device"
Identifier "device1"
VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc"
BoardName "ATI Radeon 9250 and earlier"
Driver "ati"
Option "DPMS"
Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" "1"
Option "AGPMode" "8"
Option "ColorTiling" "on"
EndSection

Note that the AGPMode defaults to 4, if not set, as above, and the
ColorTiling also defaults to off.

With the AGP aperture set to 128M in the bios setup.
glxgears shows around 1130 fps.

If I increase the aperture size to 256M, the fps increases to around
1500, but I don't want to give up that much ram, since I rarely use
applications that need that much speed.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:58:38 -0500, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:38:24 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:
>
>> Latest update night before last, had a new one which gears shows
>> 2698 frames in 5.000 seconds = 539.600 FPS

The default install gives about 467 frames in 5 seconds.

> xorg.config and bios agp aperature size have a big impact. For my
> radeon 9200SE, I have
> Section "Device"
> Identifier "device1"
> VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc"
> BoardName "ATI Radeon 9250 and earlier"
> Driver "ati"

I have an on board RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] which sets

BoardName "ATI Radeon 9500 to Radeon X1050"
Driver "fglrx"
Option "DPMS"

The plf-non-free fglrx back on release 2007.1 was the last driver
which would work good enough for Flighgear.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:08:59 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

> I have an on board RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] which sets

Just curious, what does lspci -vvv show for the device?

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:33:48 -0500, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:08:59 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:
>
>> I have an on board RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] which sets
>
> Just curious, what does lspci -vvv show for the device?

01:05.0 VGA compatible controller:
ATI Technologies Inc RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] (prog-if 00 [VGA])
Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 2a24
Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
>TAbort- SERR-
Latency: 255 (2000ns min), Cache Line Size: 32 bytes
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 20
Region 0: Memory at d8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
Region 1: I/O ports at ef00 [size=256]
Region 2: Memory at fddf0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
[virtual] Expansion ROM at fdd00000 [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: