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  1. Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

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    Analysis of posts to alt.os.linux.mandrake by Robert Marshall
    ================================================== ==========================
    (stats compiled with a script by Garry Knight)


    Total posts considered: 7 over 7 days
    Earliest article: Fri May 11 21:25:07 2007
    Latest article: Fri May 18 11:25:04 2007
    Original articles: 4, replies: 3
    Total size of posts: 33,217 bytes (32K) (0.03M)
    Average 1 articles per day, 0.00 MB per day, 4,745 bytes per article
    Total headers: 6 KB bodies: 25 KB
    Body text - quoted: 0 KB, original: 24 KB = 96.76%, sigs: 0 KB
    Total number of posters: 6, average 5,536 bytes per poster
    Total number of threads: 5, average 6,643 bytes per thread
    Total number of User-Agents: 25

    ================================================== ==========================
    Top 6 posters by number of articles
    ================================================== ==========================
    1: Gordon .................................... : 2
    2: alt.os.linux.mandriva Stats ............ : 1
    3: alt.os.linux.mandrake Stats ............ : 1
    4: "news.freedom2surf.net" ............... : 1
    5: Tim Long ............................... : 1
    6: foo .................................................. : 1

    ================================================== ==========================
    Top 6 posters by article size in Kbytes
    ================================================== ==========================
    1: alt.os.linux.mandriva Stats ............ : 15
    2: alt.os.linux.mandrake Stats ............ : 9
    3: Gordon .................................... : 2
    4: Tim Long ............................... : 2
    5: "news.freedom2surf.net" ............... : 1
    6: foo .................................................. : 1

    ================================================== ==========================
    Top -1 responders by original text (> 5 posts)
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    Bottom -1 responders by original text (> 5 posts)
    ================================================== ==========================

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    Top 5 threads by no. of articles
    ================================================== ==========================
    1: Mandriva One 2007.1 Boot CD.................................... : 2
    2: unable to read superblock...................................... : 2
    3: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake........................... : 1
    4: Shorewall Accounting........................................ ... : 1
    5: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandriva........................... : 1

    ================================================== ==========================
    Top 5 threads by size in KB
    ================================================== ==========================
    1: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandriva........................... : 15
    2: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake........................... : 9
    3: Mandriva One 2007.1 Boot CD.................................... : 3
    4: unable to read superblock...................................... : 2
    5: Shorewall Accounting........................................ ... : 2

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    Top 1 cross-posted groups
    ================================================== ==========================
    1: alt.os.linux.mandriva............................. ............. : 4

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    Top 10 User Agents by poster
    ================================================== ==========================
    1: Unknown........................................... ............. : 2
    2: Pan............................................... ............. : 1
    3: G2................................................ ............. : 1
    4: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11....................................... : 1
    5: Outlook Express........................................... ..... : 1
    6: Gnus.............................................. ............. : 0
    7: News Rover............................................. ........ : 0
    8: MacSOUP........................................... ............. : 0
    9: WebTV............................................. ............. : 0
    10: Foorum............................................ ............. : 0

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    Top 5 User Agents by number of posts
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    1: unknown........................................... ........ : 2 (29%)
    2: Pan............................................... ........ : 2 (29%)
    3: G2................................................ ........ : 1 (14%)
    4: Outlook Express........................................... : 1 (14%)
    5: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11.................................. : 1 (14%)

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    Top 10 time zones
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    1: UTC............................................... ............. : 4
    2: +1000............................................. ............. : 1
    3: +0100............................................. ............. : 1
    4: -0700.............................................. ............ : 1

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  2. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Fri, 18 May 2007, alt os.linux mandrake Stats wrote:

    > ================================================== ==========================
    > Analysis of posts to alt.os.linux.mandrake by Robert Marshall
    > ================================================== ==========================
    > (stats compiled with a script by Garry Knight)
    >
    >
    > Total posts considered: 7 over 7 days
    > ================================================== ==========================
    > Top 6 posters by number of articles
    > ================================================== ==========================
    > 1: Gordon .................................... : 2
    > 2: alt.os.linux.mandriva Stats ............ : 1
    > 3: alt.os.linux.mandrake Stats ............ : 1


    So one poster was more active than the weekly stats (posted by me)

    >
    > ================================================== ==========================
    > Top 6 posters by article size in Kbytes
    > ================================================== ==========================
    > 1: alt.os.linux.mandriva Stats ............ : 15
    > 2: alt.os.linux.mandrake Stats ............ : 9


    Well I suppose they're long postings

    > ================================================== ==========================
    > Top 10 User Agents by poster
    > ================================================== ==========================
    > 1: Unknown........................................... ............. : 2


    Me again!

    Nearly time for turning the lights out on a.o.l.mandrake... ?

    Robert
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  3. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.os.linux.mandrake.]
    On 2007-05-20, Robert Marshall wrote:
    > On Fri, 18 May 2007, alt os.linux mandrake Stats wrote:
    >
    >> ================================================== ==========================
    >> Analysis of posts to alt.os.linux.mandrake by Robert Marshall
    >> ================================================== ==========================
    >> (stats compiled with a script by Garry Knight)
    >>
    >>
    >> Total posts considered: 7 over 7 days
    >> ================================================== ==========================
    >> Top 6 posters by number of articles
    >> ================================================== ==========================
    >> 1: Gordon .................................... : 2
    >> 2: alt.os.linux.mandriva Stats ............ : 1
    >> 3: alt.os.linux.mandrake Stats ............ : 1

    >
    > So one poster was more active than the weekly stats (posted by me)
    >
    >>
    >> ================================================== ==========================
    >> Top 6 posters by article size in Kbytes
    >> ================================================== ==========================
    >> 1: alt.os.linux.mandriva Stats ............ : 15
    >> 2: alt.os.linux.mandrake Stats ............ : 9

    >
    > Well I suppose they're long postings
    >
    >> ================================================== ==========================
    >> Top 10 User Agents by poster
    >> ================================================== ==========================
    >> 1: Unknown........................................... ............. : 2

    >
    > Me again!
    >
    > Nearly time for turning the lights out on a.o.l.mandrake... ?
    >
    > Robert


    Looks as though it's becoming as dormant as any alt group can be.

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  4. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Sun, 20 May 2007 10:49:03 -0400, Whiskers wrote:

    > Looks as though it's becoming as dormant as any alt group can be.


    It's a lot harder to get rid of a newsgroup, than it is to create one.

    alt.os.linux.mandriva still has some propagation problems, and poorly
    (or completely) unsupported isp servers (especially outsourced ones),
    that still haven't added it.

    While mci (aka uunet) have added the group, anything posted via there
    server never seems to propagate to other servers. Good luck trying
    to find anyone at mci, to even discuss the problem with.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  5. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Sun, 20 May 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandrake, in article
    , David W. Hodgins wrote:

    >Whiskers wrote:


    >> Looks as though it's becoming as dormant as any alt group can be.

    >
    >It's a lot harder to get rid of a newsgroup, than it is to create one.


    Yes - the only thing you can do is to unsubscribe to the group. After
    a few years, the news admin may notice the lack of activity.

    >While mci (aka uunet) have added the group, anything posted via there
    >server never seems to propagate to other servers. Good luck trying
    >to find anyone at mci, to even discuss the problem with.


    [compton ~]$ du -sk /var/spool/news
    24525 /var/spool/news
    [compton ~]$ wc .active.groups
    84 .active.groups
    [compton ~]$ find /var/spool/news/news/ -type f -name [0-9]\* -print |
    wc -l
    7630
    [compton ~]$

    Of those articles, I see 14 articles with the string 'uu.net' in the
    Path: header and all of them seem to be in Europe - several bangs away
    from the server I'm using. There are no articles with 'mci' in the
    Path: header. I don't know why. At one time, a lot of people were
    angry with mci/uu.net and may dropped peering agreements, but that
    would be a wild guess. Dumb question, what kind of activity are
    you seeing in the Big Eight groups that news servers are supposed to
    be carrying?

    [compton ~]$ zgrep linux big.8.list.05.15.07.gz | cut -f1 | column
    comp.os.linux.advocacy comp.os.linux.misc
    comp.os.linux.alpha comp.os.linux.networking
    comp.os.linux.announce comp.os.linux.portable
    comp.os.linux.answers comp.os.linux.powerpc
    comp.os.linux.development.apps comp.os.linux.security
    comp.os.linux.development.system comp.os.linux.setup
    comp.os.linux.embedded comp.os.linux.x
    comp.os.linux.hardware comp.os.linux.xbox
    comp.os.linux.m68k
    [compton ~]$ grep ^05 newslog | grep comp.os.linux.misc | grep killed |
    cut -d' ' -f4 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="/" } ; { total +=$1 } ; END { print
    total }'
    1371
    [compton ~]$ ^misc^networking
    grep ^05 newslog | grep comp.os.linux.networking | grep killed | cut -d' '
    -f4 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="/" } ; { total +=$1 } ; END { print total }'
    267
    [compton ~]$ ^comp.os.linux.networking^alt.os.linux.mandrake
    grep ^05 newslog | grep alt.os.linux.mandrake | grep killed | cut -d' '
    -f4 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="/" } ; { total +=$1 } ; END { print total }'
    63
    [compton ~]$ ^drake^driva
    grep ^05 newslog | grep alt.os.linux.mandriva | grep killed | cut -d' '
    -f4 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="/" } ; { total +=$1 } ; END { print total }'
    641
    [compton ~]$

    That's 1371 articles so far this month in c.o.l.misc, and 267 in
    c.o.l.networking, verses 63 in a.o.l.mandrake verses 641 in the
    a.o.l.manrdiva group. By the way, I subscribe to several other
    alt.* groups that are lucky to see ten articles a month - some even
    less than that.

    In theory, you could ask the sales-droid why you aren't getting what
    you are paying for - yes, I said "in theory".

    Old guy

  6. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Mon, 21 May 2007 20:32:15 -0400, Moe Trin wrote:

    > [compton ~]$ zgrep linux big.8.list.05.15.07.gz | cut -f1 | column
    > comp.os.linux.advocacy comp.os.linux.misc
    > comp.os.linux.alpha comp.os.linux.networking
    > comp.os.linux.announce comp.os.linux.portable
    > comp.os.linux.answers comp.os.linux.powerpc
    > comp.os.linux.development.apps comp.os.linux.security
    > comp.os.linux.development.system comp.os.linux.setup
    > comp.os.linux.embedded comp.os.linux.x
    > comp.os.linux.hardware comp.os.linux.xbox
    > comp.os.linux.m68k


    They carry the above plus comp.os.linux.help

    As leafnode merges the input from both of the news servers, (it skips
    any messages already downloaded from motzeralla, which I check first),
    I just fired up pan, and subscribed to the four newsgroups directly
    from mci (via nnrp.ca.mci.com). I've downloaded the headers from (and
    including) May 1st, to roughly 2200 edt, today.

    > [compton ~]$ grep ^05 newslog | grep comp.os.linux.misc | grep killed |
    > cut -d' ' -f4 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="/" } ; { total +=$1 } ; END { print
    > total }'
    > 1371


    591 headers.

    > [compton ~]$ ^misc^networking
    > grep ^05 newslog | grep comp.os.linux.networking | grep killed | cut -d' '
    > -f4 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="/" } ; { total +=$1 } ; END { print total }'
    > 267


    113

    > [compton ~]$ ^comp.os.linux.networking^alt.os.linux.mandrake
    > grep ^05 newslog | grep alt.os.linux.mandrake | grep killed | cut -d' '
    > -f4 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="/" } ; { total +=$1 } ; END { print total }'
    > 63


    16

    > [compton ~]$ ^drake^driva
    > grep ^05 newslog | grep alt.os.linux.mandriva | grep killed | cut -d' '
    > -f4 | awk 'BEGIN { FS="/" } ; { total +=$1 } ; END { print total }'
    > 641


    5

    > That's 1371 articles so far this month in c.o.l.misc, and 267 in
    > c.o.l.networking, verses 63 in a.o.l.mandrake verses 641 in the
    > a.o.l.manrdiva group. By the way, I subscribe to several other
    > alt.* groups that are lucky to see ten articles a month - some even
    > less than that.


    Checking on google groups, I find almost no uunet paths, in any of
    the alt groups.

    > In theory, you could ask the sales-droid why you aren't getting what
    > you are paying for - yes, I said "in theory".


    As I'm a customer of a customer (my isp, ody.ca) uunet wouldn't even
    respond to me. When relaying through the owner of the isp, their response
    was that my postings were showing up fine, as far as they were concerned..
    They completely ignored the fact, that I was complaining about my articles
    failing to propagate to other news servers, not about a failure for the
    articles to post to their news server.

    The owner of my isp was as helpfull, as he could be, but given uunet/mci's
    reputation, I actually prefer not to identified as a customer of any of
    their services. Although they are my isp's upstream (under the name
    alter.net), at least the isp has his own ip space, not just a swip
    from mci.

    I strongly suspect the problem is due to mci's historic spam support.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  7. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Mon, 21 May 2007 22:16:51 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:

    I just responded to this thread via mci. See if the appended message
    ever shows up at other news servers ...

    Path: nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca!news.ca.mci.com!new s.uunet.ca!nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca.POSTED!5 3ab2750!not-for-mail
    From: "David W. Hodgins"
    Subject: Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake
    Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mandrake
    References:

    <20070520144903.391B.7.NOFFLE@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
    User-Agent: Pan/0.128 (SR/CL: Leitmotiv: Toynbee Idea)
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Lines: 8
    Message-ID:
    Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 02:38:44 GMT
    NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.2.104
    X-Complaints-To: abuse@ca.mci.com
    X-Trace: nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca 1179801524 216.240.2.104 (Mon, 21 May 2007 22:38:44 EDT)
    NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:38:44 EDT
    Organization: MCI Canada News Reader Service
    X-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:38:44 EDT (nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca)

    On Sun, 20 May 2007 15:49:03 +0100, Whiskers wrote:


    > [quoted text muted]


    Especially on uunet.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins


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  8. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Mon, 21 May 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandrake, in article
    , David W. Hodgins wrote:

    >Moe Trin wrote:
    >
    >> [compton ~]$ zgrep linux big.8.list.05.15.07.gz | cut -f1 | column


    >They carry the above plus comp.os.linux.help


    The following newsgroups will be removed on 20 March 1995.
    comp.os.linux.development (replaced by comp.os.linux.development.system)
    comp.os.linux.admin (replaced by comp.os.linux.setup)
    comp.os.linux.help (removed by renaming to comp.os.linux.misc)

    This news server still carries all three, though the first may exist
    to provide a hierarchy point for c.o.l.d.{apps|system} - I've never
    really looked. c.o.l.admin averages under 60 articles a year, c.o.l.help
    under 200.

    [table replacing grep/cut/awk string, adding David's input]

    Group giganews mci
    comp.os.linux.misc 1371 591
    grep comp.os.linux.networking 267 113
    alt.os.linux.mandrake 63 16
    alt.os.linux.mandriva 641 5

    That sucks big time. You might grep the Path: header, and use cut
    to countthe peer traffic - you'll have to adjust the field number
    to account for bouncing about in mci.net, but

    [compton ~]$ grep ^Path: /var/spool/news/news/comp/os/linux/misc/* |
    cut -d'!' -f3 | sort | uniq -c
    2 aotearoa.belnet.be
    1 bcklog2.nntp.dca.giganews.com
    3 cyclone1.gnilink.net
    28 local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com
    1 news-in-01.newsfeed.easynews.com
    10 newscon02.news.prodigy.net
    62 newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de
    23 newshub.sdsu.edu
    32 nntp.giganews.com
    14 nx01.iad01.newshosting.com
    17 nx02.iad01.newshosting.com
    74 postnews.google.com
    1 wn13feed
    2 wns13feed
    3 wns14feed
    [compton ~]$

    The small numbers (273 in this directory) because the expire scripts
    have already been run.

    >Checking on google groups, I find almost no uunet paths, in any of
    >the alt groups.


    That really does suck. How about their big-eight cover? Based on your
    numbers above, it looks like their peering is limited.

    >As I'm a customer of a customer (my isp, ody.ca) uunet wouldn't even
    >respond to me. When relaying through the owner of the isp, their
    >response was that my postings were showing up fine, as far as they
    >were concerned.
    >They completely ignored the fact, that I was complaining about my
    >articles failing to propagate to other news servers, not about a
    >failure for the articles to post to their news server.


    There are other choices out there - I've had good luck with easynews
    and supernews in addition to giganews. I don't know what their fee
    structure is, but it _was_ a flat rate per number of allowed
    connections to easynews and supernews (ran into a problem once with
    someone parked on the connection downloading binaries all day and
    tying up one of the licenses), Some comcast posters report that
    giganews has a up/download cap - I've not seen evidence with two
    providers I have access to that use them.

    >The owner of my isp was as helpfull, as he could be, but given
    >uunet/mci's reputation, I actually prefer not to identified as a
    >customer of any of their services. Although they are my isp's
    >upstream (under the name alter.net), at least the isp has his own
    >ip space, not just a swip from mci.


    I'd rather doubt that mci/uu is forcing your ISP to get the news
    through their server. It might be available as a free add-on to
    the link itself. One of my ISPs also gets bandwidth from them,
    but the news comes from elsewhere.

    >I strongly suspect the problem is due to mci's historic spam support.


    I know at one time, they were proposed for a Usenet Death Penalty
    (one of the things that killed 'home.com/net') but I don't recall
    it being implemented. Certainly a number of firewalls are set to
    block any packets with a uu.net address range, but that's been
    that way for a while, and is likely to remain so until time_t
    overflows 64 bits.

    Old guy

  9. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Tue, 22 May 2007 00:00:22 -0400, Moe Trin wrote:

    > That really does suck. How about their big-eight cover? Based on your
    > numbers above, it looks like their peering is limited.


    Agreed. At one time, uunet was one of the best (mid 80's), for
    carrying groups, and completion. Now they seem to view themselves
    as a carrier only, and view usenet as a non-value added feature.

    > I'd rather doubt that mci/uu is forcing your ISP to get the news
    > through their server. It might be available as a free add-on to
    > the link itself. One of my ISPs also gets bandwidth from them,
    > but the news comes from elsewhere.


    Agreed. Like most isps now, very few of their customers know what
    usenet is, let alone use it. It's very hard for them to cost justify
    adding another usenet provider, and setup/maintain their own server,
    when there are free alternatives for the users, who want it (at least
    for text groups).

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  10. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Mon, 21 May 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandrake, in article
    , David W. Hodgins wrote:

    >I just responded to this thread via mci. See if the appended message
    >ever shows up at other news servers ...


    >Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 02:38:44 GMT
    >NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.2.104
    >X-Complaints-To: abuse@ca.mci.com
    >X-Trace: nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca 1179801524 216.240.2.104 (Mon,

    21 May 2007 22:38:44 EDT)

    1 D 9:Jay Carpenter] video editing
    2 D 72:[Moe Trin ] Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake
    3 D 96:[David W. Hod] ->
    -> D 47:[David W. Hod] ->
    5 - 97:[Moe Trin ] ->

    [compton ~]$ grep 05/22 ../newslog | grep mandrake
    05/22/2007 06:02:06 Fetching articles for alt.os.linux.mandrake.
    05/22/2007 06:02:07 alt.os.linux.mandrake: Retrieving articles 668340-668344.
    05/22/2007 06:02:07 alt.os.linux.mandrake: 5 articles available.
    05/22/2007 06:02:10 alt.os.linux.mandrake: 5/5 (0 killed), Time: 00:02:01
    [compton ~]$

    Never showed up here. Article "2" above is timed at 21 May 2007 19:32:15
    -0500, and is the one article "3" is responding to at 22:16:51 -0400.

    Old guy

  11. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Tue, 22 May 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandrake, in article
    , David W. Hodgins wrote:

    >Moe Trin wrote:


    >> That really does suck. How about their big-eight cover? Based on your
    >> numbers above, it looks like their peering is limited.

    >
    >Agreed. At one time, uunet was one of the best (mid 80's), for
    >carrying groups, and completion. Now they seem to view themselves
    >as a carrier only, and view usenet as a non-value added feature.


    There are a LOT of providers who've adopted that model. The Baby-bells
    are similar.

    >Agreed. Like most isps now, very few of their customers know what
    >usenet is, let alone use it. It's very hard for them to cost justify
    >adding another usenet provider, and setup/maintain their own server,
    >when there are free alternatives for the users, who want it (at least
    >for text groups).


    I've been watching the gradual decline in readership in Usenet. In
    the mid-1990s, it wasn't unusual to find 150 articles in each of
    comp.os.linux.hardware, c.o.l.networking, c.o.l.setup, and c.o.l.x,
    and over 250 in c.o.l.misc. But then there also were not as many
    alternative newsgroups.

    Oh, and your MCI post still hasn't turned up here.

    Old guy


  12. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:53:35 -0400, Moe Trin wrote:

    > Never showed up here. Article "2" above is timed at 21 May 2007 19:32:15
    > -0500, and is the one article "3" is responding to at 22:16:51 -0400.


    Currently, there are 6 messages for the subject Statistics (From May 1st on).

    From: alt.os.linux.mandriva Stats
    Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 21:15:04 +0100
    Message-ID:

    From: "David W. Hodgins"
    References:

    <20070520144903.391B.7.NOFFLE@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
    Message-ID:

    From: "David W. Hodgins"
    Message-ID:
    References: <20070520144903.391B.7.NOFFLE@ID-107770.user.individual.net>

    From: ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin)
    References: <20070520144903.391B.7.NOFFLE@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
    Message-Id:

    From: "David W. Hodgins"
    Message-ID:
    References: <20070520144903.391B.7.NOFFLE@ID-107770.user.individual.net>

    From: ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin)
    References: <20070520144903.391B.7.NOFFLE@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
    Message-Id:

    So it looks like they are getting messages posted at motzeralla.org, but
    never sending messages out.

    The path on your message ...
    Path: nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca!news.ca.mci.com!new s.uunet.ca!newsfeed.east.grouptelecom.net!wesley.v ideotron.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.telusplanet .net!newsfeed.telus.net!hwmnpeer01.phx!news.highwi nds-media.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!nx02.iad01.newshost ing.com!newshosting.com!216.196.98.140.MISMATCH!bo rder1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!loca l01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.sedona.net!news.sed ona.net.POSTED!not-for-mail

    Shows they are getting some messages, from other servers. The count shows they
    are missing a lot, and messages posted at uunet, never seem to go anywhere, at
    least for the alt groups.

    The two posts showing from Wiskers, and Robert Marshall, on May 20th, have not
    shown up.

    Their paths are, when received on motzarella.org, are ...

    Path: news.motzarella.org!newsfeed.kamp.net!newsfeed.kam p.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!
    individual.net!not-for-mail
    Message-ID: <20070520144903.391B.7.NOFFLE@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
    From: Whiskers

    Path: news.motzarella.org!newsfeed0.kamp.net!newsfeed.ka mp.net!news.unit0.net!
    newsfeed.freenet.de!news2.euro.net!news-in.ntli.net!newsrout1-win.ntli.net!ntli.net!
    news.highwinds-media.com!newspeer1-win.ntli.net!newsfe4-gui.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!
    not-for-mail
    Message-ID:
    From: Robert Marshall

    None of the uunet.* groups, such as uunet.tech, uunet.status, uunet.forum, etc. have
    any headers, at all.

    I've posted a message to uunet.forum (uunet.tech, doesnt allow posting). I'll see
    if anyone responds, at all.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  13. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Tue, 22 May 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandrake, in article
    , David W. Hodgins wrote:

    >Currently, there are 6 messages for the subject Statistics (From May
    >1st on).


    There's a dozen here:

    From: alt.os.linux.mandrake Stats
    Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:00:02 +0100
    Message-ID:


    From: Robert Marshall
    Message-ID:
    Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:11:32 GMT

    From: Whiskers
    Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:49:03 +0100
    Message-ID: <20070520144903.391B.7.NOFFLE@ID-107770.user.individual.net>

    From: "David W. Hodgins"
    Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 11:22:52 -0400
    Message-ID:

    From: ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin)
    Message-Id:
    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:32:15 -0500

    From: "David W. Hodgins"
    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:16:51 -0400
    Message-ID:

    From: "David W. Hodgins"
    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:43:21 -0400
    Message-ID:

    From: ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin)
    Message-Id:
    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:00:22 -0500

    From: "David W. Hodgins"
    Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:03:26 -0400
    Message-ID:

    From: ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin)
    Message-Id:
    Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:53:35 -0500

    From: ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin)
    Message-Id:
    Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:01:28 -0500

    From: "David W. Hodgins"
    Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:58:31 -0400
    Message-ID:

    >From: "David W. Hodgins"
    >References:
    >
    >
    > <20070520144903.391B.7.NOFFLE@ID-107770.user.individual.net>


    The references header is created by your newsreader, based on the
    existing "References:" header in the article you are replying to. It
    has virtually nothing to do with your news server.

    >So it looks like they are getting messages posted at motzeralla.org, but
    >never sending messages out.


    or someone is dropping the ball - but yeah.

    >The path on your message ...
    >Path: nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca!news.ca.mci.com!new s.uunet.ca

    !newsfeed.east.grouptelecom.net!wesley.videotron.n et!newsfeed.nyu.edu
    !newsfeed.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!hwmnp eer01.phx
    !news.highwinds-media.com!newsfeed.news2me.com
    !nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!216.19 6.98.140.MISMATCH
    !border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com
    !local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com !nntp.sedona.net!news.sedona.net.POSTED
    !not-for-mail

    Holy freaken' Toledo! That's [counts bangs in path] twenty hops!. You
    might try using " head /path/to/spool/* | grep ^Path: | cut -d'!' -f5 "
    to see if they are peering with anyone besides 'grouptelecom.net'

    >The two posts showing from Wiskers, and Robert Marshall, on May 20th,
    >have not shown up.


    and probably aren't going to - the worst propagation delay I recall
    seeing is like two days, and that was back when spooling was done over
    a dial-up using UUCP. Either mci.com or uunet.ca have filters
    dropping a lot of posts, or nobody wants to peer with them, and they
    are getting crumbs. This _could_ also have something to do with
    grouptelecom.net or videotron.net which is peering with a medium sized
    private university (NYU != SUNY) in New York City.

    >Their paths are, when received on motzarella.org, are ...


    going to be totally different. The "Path:" header lists the path that
    the message took to reach "this" server. (RFC0977 refers to RFC0850
    which was replaced by RFC1036 - see section 2.1.6 in that document).

    >None of the uunet.* groups, such as uunet.tech, uunet.status,
    >uunet.forum, etc. have any headers, at all.


    giganews claims to carry those groups. supernews does not.

    >I've posted a message to uunet.forum (uunet.tech, doesnt allow posting).
    >I'll see if anyone responds, at all.


    'uunet.forum' had 31 articles - yours being the "695th" in the local
    numbering scheme. Lots of spam, but grabbing an article at random, I
    found "Dead Forums" is article number 665 and is dated 16 Feb 2004.
    Real active group you got there. ;-) I'll attempt to reply to your
    post. The "Path:" header on your post read:

    Path: border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com
    !news-in-01.newsfeed.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!new s.alt.net
    !newsfeed.east.grouptelecom.net!news.ca.mci.com!ne ws.uunet.ca
    !nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca.POSTED!53ab2750!no t-for-mail

    so that looks as if grouptelecom.net also peers with news.alt.net
    who-ever they are. 'easynews.com' I at least recognize.

    Old guy

  14. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Wed, 23 May 2007 16:05:53 -0400, Moe Trin wrote:

    >> I've posted a message to uunet.forum (uunet.tech, doesnt allow posting).
    >> I'll see if anyone responds, at all.

    >
    > 'uunet.forum' had 31 articles - yours being the "695th" in the local
    > numbering scheme. Lots of spam, but grabbing an article at random, I
    > found "Dead Forums" is article number 665 and is dated 16 Feb 2004.
    > Real active group you got there. ;-) I'll attempt to reply to your
    > post. The "Path:" header on your post read:


    Your article got through. The path on it also shows grouptelecom.

    Path: nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca!news.ca.mci.com!new s.uunet.ca!newsfeed.east.grouptelecom.net!wesley.v ideotron.net!news-rly-1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.yul.equant.net!opent ransit.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giga news.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.sedona .net!news.sedona.net.POSTED!not-for-mail

    I thinks I'll stick with mozteralla, or other free servers for now.
    If/when there are no free servers available, I go with one of the
    block accounts, as I only use text groups anyway.

    Thanks for the help confirming uunet is useless for usenet.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  15. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Thu, 24 May 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandrake, in article
    , David W. Hodgins wrote:

    >Moe Trin wrote:


    >> I'll attempt to reply to your post. The "Path:" header on your post
    >> read:

    >
    >Your article got through. The path on it also shows grouptelecom.
    >
    >Path: nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca!news.ca.mci.com!new s.uunet.ca

    !newsfeed.east.grouptelecom.net!wesley.videotron.n et
    !news-rly-1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net
    !newsfeed.yul.equant.net!opentransit.net!border1.n ntp.dca.giganews.com
    !nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!n ntp.sedona.net
    !news.sedona.net.POSTED!not-for-mail

    Hey, that's only sixteen hops ;-) (This post I'm responding to
    says motzarella.org is only seven hops away.)

    A couple of years ago, I was troubleshooting a news problem at a
    relatively clueless ISP (their operation consisted of less than a dozen
    PCs, mainly running NT4 - shows how clueless they were). One of the
    things I checked was the news server peering. Basically, I just grep'ed
    for the Path: header, and then printed out the last couple of hops
    using

    grep ^Path: /path/to/news.spool | cut -d'!' -f1-n

    where that last 'n' was 3 to perhaps 6 or seven, and passing this
    output to 'sort | uniq -c' to see what peers were where. I just ran a
    quickie check here, and both giganews and supernews seem to each have
    over 25 peers. Based on what you've shown, it seems as if mci.com or
    uunet.ca has _one_ peer (grouptelecom.net), while that peer has a
    limited number of other peers, one of which is videotron.net (who seems
    to have a slightly larger number of peers based on very limited
    evidence). Bottom line - mci.com/uunet.ca is not in the news business.

    >I thinks I'll stick with mozteralla, or other free servers for now.
    >If/when there are no free servers available, I go with one of the
    >block accounts, as I only use text groups anyway.


    There obviously are a number of decent low cost providers available.
    I tend to be a bit nervous about the totally free providers, as
    the cost of running a news server isn't spare change. Decent retention
    requires a lot of disk space (no idea what now, but seven years ago,
    supernews was advertising having over 300 Gigabytes, so it's probably
    into the terabytes now) and the bandwidth isn't cheap. Having even a
    single person available 24/7 costs a couple of coins too. The other
    problem I've seen with free providers (google is a perfect example) is
    a lack of abuse oversight - shades of uunet.

    >Thanks for the help confirming uunet is useless for usenet.


    Spend some time reading the 'news.admin.net-abuse.* groups, and you
    are likely to find out they are considered useless for a few other
    things as well.

    Old guy


  16. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:51:47 -0400, Moe Trin wrote:

    > Spend some time reading the 'news.admin.net-abuse.* groups, and you
    > are likely to find out they are considered useless for a few other
    > things as well.


    The oldest posting of mine currently shown by google is from 2003
    http://groups.google.ca/group/news.a...30b8413682609?

    I don't post there very much, but have been lurking for a long time. I'm
    very familiar with the problem with uunet/mci/whatever name they're using today.

    Looks like google has lost a lot of old messages. Just ran a search on my
    first internet email address, dave.hodgins@canrem.com Google groups doesn't
    show any, while a google web search still finds two archives, with articles
    I posted.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  17. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake


    Well - suddenly (a shorttime ago) the whole list of
    messages and followups on this NG has disappeared
    from my view. All that is left is;

    5 on Statistics
    unable to read superblock (interesting)
    2 on Re: MAndriva 2006
    how to remove softlink ..
    Inventor of ctrl-Alt-Del ..
    Solved ..

    11 in total.

    So what's happened here ? Have the older messages
    just 'timed out' - or has some kind of washing occurred ?


    Best to you regulars, anyway. Adam.




  18. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:40:46 +1200, Adam writ:

    > Well - suddenly (a shorttime ago) the whole list of
    > messages and followups on this NG has disappeared
    > from my view. All that is left is;
    >
    > 5 on Statistics
    > unable to read superblock (interesting)
    > 2 on Re: MAndriva 2006
    > how to remove softlink ..
    > Inventor of ctrl-Alt-Del ..
    > Solved ..
    >
    > 11 in total.
    >
    > So what's happened here ? Have the older messages
    > just 'timed out' - or has some kind of washing occurred ?


    Everything prior to the 22nd, eh? ;-)

    I have Pan set to expire articles older than two weeks. Sounds like you
    have Knode set the same.

    --
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  19. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake


    > Everything prior to the 22nd, eh? ;-)
    >
    > I have Pan set to expire articles older than two weeks. Sounds like you
    > have Knode set the same.



    OK. So no conspiracy then. Just many content Mandriva users!




  20. Re: Statistics for alt.os.linux.mandrake

    On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:19:45 +1200, Adam wrote:

    >> I have Pan set to expire articles older than two weeks. Sounds like you
    >> have Knode set the same.


    > OK. So no conspiracy then. Just many content Mandriva users!


    Well, this *is* the old and outdated *mandrake* newsgroup. Since the name
    change, most of the activity is in the *mandriva* newsgroup, and this one
    is just kinda hanging around for stragglers. Eventually it will probably
    go away.

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