Quite true that Linux actually copy directly from MS Window. Just like all
the motor cars, ships, airplanes, motorcycles, houses and so on.....etc.,
etc., are copies of the early inventors. Even the human sex act is a copy
from God through Adam and Eve if you are Christian enough to believe
that......


wrote in message
news:1163776521.907358.172710@j44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> In comments confirming the open-source community's suspicions,
> Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer Thursday declared his belief that the Linux
> operating system infringes on Microsoft's intellectual property. In a
> question-and-answer session after his keynote speech at the
> Professional Association for SQL Server conference in Seattle, Ballmer
> said Microsoft was motivated to sign a deal with SUSE Linux distributor
> Novell earlier this month because Linux "uses our intellectual
> property" and Microsoft wanted to "get the appropriate economic return
> for our shareholders from our innovation."
>
> It's SCO all over again. Until Ballmer makes specific claims about
> infringements, we can all remain calm.
> 2 Replies Reply Score: 5
>
>
> Patents...
> By tsuraan (1.85) on 2006-11-17 13:32:13 UTC
> It's just irritating when a prominent figure in a company talks about
> using "intellectual property." I'm pretty sure Linux isn't infringing
> on any MS trademarks, and SCO aside, it doesn't look like Linux is
> violating anybody's copyrights. Can't Ballmer just say, "Linux is
> infringing on our patents," and then cite an instance or two? Stupid
> weasel talk...
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 3
>
>
> Thanks again, Novell...
> By thebluesgnr (1.99) on 2006-11-17 13:32:34 UTC
> ... for feeding the FUD.
>
> What I don't understand is how Ballmer is going to explain to his
> shareholders ("it's all about them") why they're the ones paying Novell
> $400 million.
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 5
>
>
> Patent
> By egan_varley (0.50) on 2006-11-17 13:37:16 UTC
> Software patent is a US thing.
> Here in Europe Software patent did not exist...so f#ck you mister
> Ballmer !
> 0 Replies Reply Score: -1
>
>
> "Microsoft innovation"
> By acamfield (3.00) on 2006-11-17 13:37:42 UTC
> Oxymoron of all times.
>
> How can you sue someone for infringing something that does not exist...
>
>
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 5
>
>
> RE: Remain Calm
> By thecwin (2.03) on 2006-11-17 13:41:57 UTC in reply to "Remain Calm"
> VFAT/FAT32 is apparently partially patented
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAT32 if you trust WP..)
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 4
>
>
> Screw Ballmer
> By ido50 (1.90) on 2006-11-17 13:49:13 UTC
> ...
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 0
>
>
> Bring it on
> By twenex (1.46) on 2006-11-17 13:50:02 UTC
> More of the same, Steve. See you in court!
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 2
>
>
> Courtesy of Novell
> By bkurt78 (3.00) on 2006-11-17 13:52:55 UTC
> Well, everyone can thank Novell for this latest round of FUD. You knew
> it was going to happen as soon as that deal was announced. It was just
> another avenue for Microsoft to spread FUD about Linux. THANKS NOVELL I
> HOPE YOU ALL ARE REAL SATISFIED NOW! Talk is cheap MS, either put up or
> shut up.
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 2
>
>
> not this again
> By moleskine (2.21) on 2006-11-17 13:52:56 UTC
> I guess Microsoft are banking on the old trick: repeat a tendentious
> statement often enough and people will start to believe it.
>
> Personally I think Ballmer and co should be treated to two fingers and
> silence, otherwise we will all be driven mad by flames and debates
> about this week in week out.
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 1
>
>
> RE
> By Kroc (2.14) on 2006-11-17 13:57:58 UTC
> Europe will be interested in hearing this...
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 4
>
>
> Finally
> By marafaka (1.50) on 2006-11-17 14:08:25 UTC
> I think it's very clear for all parties where we stand now. Microsoft
> is going down, they're looking for it, and they deserve it. Yeah,
> finally.
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 2
>
>
> Bold Statement
> By Bit_Rapist (1.96) on 2006-11-17 14:08:36 UTC
> Pretty bold statement from a company that has a history of taking
> "intellectual property" from other (often small) companies.
>
> Until its proven in a court of law the only thing coming out of
> ballmer's mouth is hot air, as usual.
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 2
>
>
> do it
> By taos (2.04) on 2006-11-17 14:09:39 UTC
> I really hope this issue goes to the court. Let's hear both sides of
> the argument in the court, instead of wasting time on forums.
>
> P.S. in principle, I believe in intellectual property.
> There're lots of FUD for both Linux and IP.
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 2
>
>
> look alike
> By trinitrotolueen (1.76) on 2006-11-17 14:10:11 UTC
> MS is either playing SCO look alike or has allways been behind puppet
> SCO.
>
> Browser: Links (2.1pre20; Linux 2.6.17-hardened-r1 x86_64; 80x24)
> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=16515
>
> _______
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> ." .'. ".
> /| Q |
> / | :|: |\
> / / . . \"\
> / / ,/: :\, \ "\
> / / / (_i_) \ \ "\
> / / /" | | "\ \ |
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> | \ \ / |
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> \ \ / /
> \ \ / /
> __\ \", / /__
> /- | | \ / / ( -\
> `~-._` ) / | -' _.-'****SuSE HAHAHA Steve Ballmer
> http://www.stereosociety.com/ram/ifeell02.ram
> __________________________________________________ ____________________________
>
>
> 1980s
> There's been a bomb in Oxford Street! And in the
> days before Al'Qaeda, there's only one prime suspect.
> U.S.A sponsoring terrorists as always.
>
>
> The U.S.A has sponsored every terrorist organisation in the world.
> One way or another throughout history the U.S.A as attempted
> to kill you.
>
>
>
> Who's the Governor! You wankers. Keyboard warriors. Put up or shut the
> **** up.
>
> http://media.putfile.com/On-The-Streets-Of-America-3
> It shows you just how backward yanks are pathetic ****ing yanks.
> ____________________________
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>

Richard Corfield wrote:
> s/Intellectual Property/Government Sponsored Land Grab/g ?
>
> Apparently the last government sponsored land grab I've heard of, the
> loss of the common land in England, came out OK in the end. Whether the
> same will happen here I don't know.
>
> - Richard
>
> --
> _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard Corfield
> _/ _/ _/ _/
> _/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street, .
> _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twilight Zone 3^


It is just software Richard, it's not fun any more do
you remember PD software in Britain, it was everywhere
there were too many programmers then one day a man
turned up and said he needed programmers and everybody
buggered off to the United States to work for a man
called Bill Gates.

Do you remember all the game companies creating PC games
Amstrad, games Amiga, games Atari, games and an endless
list of names Rowlands, the Oliver twins, I believe they
created a game about eggs treasure Island dizzy? And I
believe they created a game cartridge that allowed you
to cheat games.

Apart from the Oliver twins everybody got snatched up
by U.S.company's and all went to work in the U.S.

Nobody is producing anything any more everybody is copying
everybody else.

British backstreet programmers are now stooping so low
we are programming mobile phones, reprogramming car keys
and alarm systems and giving the information to very low
life petty criminal Pakistani's "British citizens"
of course they are all British citizens only the British
themselves are foreigners ask the BBC.


The Labour government have introduced so many ridiculous
laws that you can almost be arrested for farting on the
Internet. The new criminal Justice Bill will make it a
criminal offence to use any kind of Internet scanning
tool to test for weaknesses in your own network.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1...9284750,00.htm

We have cameras absolutely everywhere watching us
we have more cameras, than any other nation on earth.

We are now having our telephone calls monitored our
e-mails and our Internet activities collected and
stored by our Internet providers, government policy.


Just imagine in five years time it might be against
the law to write a message like this we live in strange
times.

Of course all this is needed because there are terrorist
everywhere waiting to kill us they are all queuing up
outside my door to kill me for all the times I have said
Mohammed is a son of a bum ****ed Arab.

You know none of this is real you are really just imagining
all this ridiculousness you are really just an artificial
intelligence project created by aliens for a laugh.

You are not really reading this and none of us really
exist so merry Christmas when it happens to you and yours.
I will be sitting down watching Alastair Sim, playing Scrooge.

But only in your artificially created world created by
aliens for entertainment.


Stepping Stones:

Charles Babbage
http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac...s/Babbage.html


Sir Frank Whittle
http://www-g.eng.cam.ac.uk/125/achie...e/telgraph.htm

Tim Berners-Lee
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3357073.stm

Alan Turing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/330376.stm

http://www.patent.gov.uk/

http://www.fatbadgers.co.uk/Britain/firsts.htm

__________________________________________________ _____________________________

1980s
There's been a bomb in Oxford Street! And in the
days before Al'Qaeda, there's only one prime suspect.
U.S.A sponsoring terrorists as always.


The U.S.A has sponsored every terrorist organisation in the world.
One way or another throughout history the U.S.A as attempted
to kill you.



Who's the Governor! You wankers. Keyboard warriors. Put up or shut the
**** up.

http://media.putfile.com/On-The-Streets-Of-America-3
It shows you just how backward yanks are pathetic ****ing yanks.
____________________________
ID signature
Freedom, if you don't use it you lose it.
Philip Davidson,
10 Ronald Avenue
West Ham
E15 3AH
East London
Mobile phone 07906821566
http://philipdavidson.blogspot.com/

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:15:21 -0800, home.home1 wrote:

> In comments confirming the open-source community's suspicions,
> Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer Thursday declared his belief that the Linux
> operating system infringes on Microsoft's intellectual property. In a
> question-and-answer session after his keynote speech at the
> Professional Association for SQL Server conference in Seattle, Ballmer
> said Microsoft was motivated to sign a deal with SUSE Linux distributor
> Novell earlier this month because Linux "uses our intellectual
> property" and Microsoft wanted to "get the appropriate economic return
> for our shareholders from our innovation."
>

He's perfectly free to express his opinions. Our country highly regards
freedom of speech if not freedom of choice.

home.home1@virgin.net schreef:
> In comments confirming the open-source community's suspicions,
> Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer Thursday declared his belief that the Linux
> operating system infringes on Microsoft's intellectual property. In a
> question-and-answer session after his keynote speech at the
> Professional Association for SQL Server conference in Seattle, Ballmer
> said Microsoft was motivated to sign a deal with SUSE Linux distributor
> Novell earlier this month because Linux "uses our intellectual
> property" and Microsoft wanted to "get the appropriate economic return
> for our shareholders from our innovation."
>
> It's SCO all over again. Until Ballmer makes specific claims about
> infringements, we can all remain calm.
> 2 Replies Reply Score: 5
>
>
> Patents...
> By tsuraan (1.85) on 2006-11-17 13:32:13 UTC
> It's just irritating when a prominent figure in a company talks about
> using "intellectual property." I'm pretty sure Linux isn't infringing
> on any MS trademarks, and SCO aside, it doesn't look like Linux is
> violating anybody's copyrights. Can't Ballmer just say, "Linux is
> infringing on our patents," and then cite an instance or two? Stupid
> weasel talk...
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 3
>
>
> Thanks again, Novell...
> By thebluesgnr (1.99) on 2006-11-17 13:32:34 UTC
> ... for feeding the FUD.
>
> What I don't understand is how Ballmer is going to explain to his
> shareholders ("it's all about them") why they're the ones paying Novell
> $400 million.
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 5
>
>
> Patent
> By egan_varley (0.50) on 2006-11-17 13:37:16 UTC
> Software patent is a US thing.
> Here in Europe Software patent did not exist...so f#ck you mister
> Ballmer !
> 0 Replies Reply Score: -1
>
>
> "Microsoft innovation"
> By acamfield (3.00) on 2006-11-17 13:37:42 UTC
> Oxymoron of all times.
>
> How can you sue someone for infringing something that does not exist...
>
>
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 5
>
>
> RE: Remain Calm
> By thecwin (2.03) on 2006-11-17 13:41:57 UTC in reply to "Remain Calm"
> VFAT/FAT32 is apparently partially patented
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAT32 if you trust WP..)
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 4
>
>
> Screw Ballmer
> By ido50 (1.90) on 2006-11-17 13:49:13 UTC
> ...
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 0
>
>
> Bring it on
> By twenex (1.46) on 2006-11-17 13:50:02 UTC
> More of the same, Steve. See you in court!
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 2
>
>
> Courtesy of Novell
> By bkurt78 (3.00) on 2006-11-17 13:52:55 UTC
> Well, everyone can thank Novell for this latest round of FUD. You knew
> it was going to happen as soon as that deal was announced. It was just
> another avenue for Microsoft to spread FUD about Linux. THANKS NOVELL I
> HOPE YOU ALL ARE REAL SATISFIED NOW! Talk is cheap MS, either put up or
> shut up.
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 2
>
>
> not this again
> By moleskine (2.21) on 2006-11-17 13:52:56 UTC
> I guess Microsoft are banking on the old trick: repeat a tendentious
> statement often enough and people will start to believe it.
>
> Personally I think Ballmer and co should be treated to two fingers and
> silence, otherwise we will all be driven mad by flames and debates
> about this week in week out.
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 1
>
>
> RE
> By Kroc (2.14) on 2006-11-17 13:57:58 UTC
> Europe will be interested in hearing this...
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 4
>
>
> Finally
> By marafaka (1.50) on 2006-11-17 14:08:25 UTC
> I think it's very clear for all parties where we stand now. Microsoft
> is going down, they're looking for it, and they deserve it. Yeah,
> finally.
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 2
>
>
> Bold Statement
> By Bit_Rapist (1.96) on 2006-11-17 14:08:36 UTC
> Pretty bold statement from a company that has a history of taking
> "intellectual property" from other (often small) companies.
>
> Until its proven in a court of law the only thing coming out of
> ballmer's mouth is hot air, as usual.
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 2
>
>
> do it
> By taos (2.04) on 2006-11-17 14:09:39 UTC
> I really hope this issue goes to the court. Let's hear both sides of
> the argument in the court, instead of wasting time on forums.
>
> P.S. in principle, I believe in intellectual property.
> There're lots of FUD for both Linux and IP.
> 0 Replies Reply Score: 2
>
>
> look alike
> By trinitrotolueen (1.76) on 2006-11-17 14:10:11 UTC
> MS is either playing SCO look alike or has allways been behind puppet
> SCO.
>
> Browser: Links (2.1pre20; Linux 2.6.17-hardened-r1 x86_64; 80x24)
> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=16515
>
> _______
> .-"" '.' ""-.
> ." .'. ".
> /| Q |
> / | :|: |\
> / / . . \"\
> / / ,/: :\, \ "\
> / / / (_i_) \ \ "\
> / / /" | | "\ \ |
> | / /" '-' "\ \."
> || / |/ \ \ \ \
> || ,'-./ \ |--. |
> | \ \ / |
> |\ \ | | /
> \_^-\ \ | /
> \ \ / /
> \ \ / /
> __\ \", / /__
> /- | | \ / / ( -\
> `~-._` ) / | -' _.-'****SuSE HAHAHA Steve Ballmer
> http://www.stereosociety.com/ram/ifeell02.ram
> __________________________________________________ ____________________________
>
>
> 1980s
> There's been a bomb in Oxford Street! And in the
> days before Al'Qaeda, there's only one prime suspect.
> U.S.A sponsoring terrorists as always.
>
>
> The U.S.A has sponsored every terrorist organisation in the world.
> One way or another throughout history the U.S.A as attempted
> to kill you.
>
>
>
> Who's the Governor! You wankers. Keyboard warriors. Put up or shut the
> **** up.
>
> http://media.putfile.com/On-The-Streets-Of-America-3
> It shows you just how backward yanks are pathetic ****ing yanks.
> ____________________________
> ID signature
> Freedom, if you don't use it you lose it.
> Philip Davidson,
> 10 Ronald Avenue
> West Ham
> E15 3AH
> East London
> Mobile phone 07906821566
> http://philipdavidson.blogspot.com/
>

Sure Mr. Balmer your right. Good night Have sweet dreams....

Never look back! always look forward out of curiosity I typed in the
name and I found old memorabilia
PC version of Treasure Island Dizzy uses the CCS-C64 emulator runs fine
on Linux.
http://www.codemasters.co.uk/downloa...wnloadid=17413

home.home1@virgin.net wrote:

> In comments confirming the open-source community's suspicions,
> Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer Thursday declared his belief that the Linux
> operating system infringes on Microsoft's intellectual property. In a
> question-and-answer session after his keynote speech at the
> Professional Association for SQL Server conference in Seattle, Ballmer
> said Microsoft was motivated to sign a deal with SUSE Linux distributor
> Novell earlier this month because Linux "uses our intellectual
> property" and Microsoft wanted to "get the appropriate economic return
> for our shareholders from our innovation."
>
> It's SCO all over again. Until Ballmer makes specific claims about
> infringements, we can all remain calm.
> 2 Replies Reply Score: 5
>

Get ready for the ONSLAUGHT!!! Here it comes.

As soon as Novell "signed" that deal with M$ I said to myself "Now just how
long will it take???"

Ho Hum! M$ Again!!!

On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 06:08:52 -0800, Jimserac wrote:

> I don't understand exactly what the deal between Suse and Microsoft
> entails but if need be I will switch to Fedora in an instant to avoid
> any association with Microsoft, its legion of zombie programmers or
> its misguided Bushian monopolistic policies.

Red Hat is just as bad. I said years ago (look it up if someone wants
proof) that commercialization of Linux to any degree was a bad thing.

I fact both suse and red hat are so twisted I'm not sure they are even
"true" Linux's anymore.

Just another reason why I've been a happy Slacker for over 10 years...

On Saturday 18 November 2006 17:58, Ron Gibson stood up and addressed the
masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:

> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 06:08:52 -0800, Jimserac wrote:
>
>> I don't understand exactly what the deal between Suse and Microsoft
>> entails but if need be I will switch to Fedora in an instant to avoid
>> any association with Microsoft, its legion of zombie programmers or
>> its misguided Bushian monopolistic policies.
>
> Red Hat is just as bad. I said years ago (look it up if someone wants
> proof) that commercialization of Linux to any degree was a bad thing.

I fully agree with this. SuSE - or rather Novell - is the one at fault here
and RedHat is playing the victim, but RedHat are just as bad indeed, and
they are even hostile to certain Open Source projects that don't play by
their rules - KDE springs to mind.

> I fact both suse and red hat are so twisted I'm not sure they are even
> "true" Linux's anymore.

Although there may be others, there are to my personal opinion and to my
current knowledge only three distributions that still are "traditionally"
GNU/Linux: Slackware, Debian and Gentoo.

Everything else has sold out, and the "dot com" in their domain name is
generally a good indication... ;-)

--
With kind regards,

*Aragorn*
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

On 2006-11-19, Aragorn wrote:
> On Saturday 18 November 2006 17:58, Ron Gibson stood up and addressed the
> masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake/ as follows...:
>
>> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 06:08:52 -0800, Jimserac wrote:
>>
>>> I don't understand exactly what the deal between Suse and Microsoft
>>> entails but if need be I will switch to Fedora in an instant to avoid
>>> any association with Microsoft, its legion of zombie programmers or
>>> its misguided Bushian monopolistic policies.
>>
>> Red Hat is just as bad. I said years ago (look it up if someone wants
>> proof) that commercialization of Linux to any degree was a bad thing.
>
> I fully agree with this. SuSE - or rather Novell - is the one at fault here
> and RedHat is playing the victim, but RedHat are just as bad indeed, and
> they are even hostile to certain Open Source projects that don't play by
> their rules - KDE springs to mind.
>
>> I fact both suse and red hat are so twisted I'm not sure they are even
>> "true" Linux's anymore.
>
> Although there may be others, there are to my personal opinion and to my
> current knowledge only three distributions that still are "traditionally"
> GNU/Linux: Slackware, Debian and Gentoo.
>
> Everything else has sold out, and the "dot com" in their domain name is
> generally a good indication... ;-)

What disturbs me in the MS/Novell arrangement, is the part about MS giving
absolution to Novell customers for alleged (unspecified) breaches of MS
copyright in components of Linux. That looks to me as though Novell are
being set up as the new SCO - simultaneously taking out one of MS's actual
competitors (ie Novell; SuSE is just the icing on the cake) and spreading
FUD about Linux in general. The difficulty for existing customers of
Novell or SuSE, is where do they go if they don't want to lend their
support to this latest MS scam, and at what cost?

Will SuSE go the way of Caldera?

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

ray wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:15:21 -0800, home.home1 wrote:
>
> > In comments confirming the open-source community's suspicions,
> > Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer Thursday declared his belief that the Linux
> > operating system infringes on Microsoft's intellectual property. In a
> > question-and-answer session after his keynote speech at the
> > Professional Association for SQL Server conference in Seattle, Ballmer
> > said Microsoft was motivated to sign a deal with SUSE Linux distributor
> > Novell earlier this month because Linux "uses our intellectual
> > property" and Microsoft wanted to "get the appropriate economic return
> > for our shareholders from our innovation."
> >
>
> He's perfectly free to express his opinions. Our country highly regards
> freedom of speech if not freedom of choice.

Notice that its ALWAYS some vague assertion of appropriation
of intellectual property - but NOBODY, Balmer included, ever
mentions specifics. Curious, eh?

Jimserac
James Pannozzi

.....er...it should be the other way round!!



"Jimserac" wrote in message
news:1164294647.395850.32080@h54g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>
> ray wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:15:21 -0800, home.home1 wrote:
>>
>> > In comments confirming the open-source community's suspicions,
>> > Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer Thursday declared his belief that the Linux
>> > operating system infringes on Microsoft's intellectual property. In a
>> > question-and-answer session after his keynote speech at the
>> > Professional Association for SQL Server conference in Seattle, Ballmer
>> > said Microsoft was motivated to sign a deal with SUSE Linux distributor
>> > Novell earlier this month because Linux "uses our intellectual
>> > property" and Microsoft wanted to "get the appropriate economic return
>> > for our shareholders from our innovation."
>> >
>>
>> He's perfectly free to express his opinions. Our country highly regards
>> freedom of speech if not freedom of choice.
>
> Notice that its ALWAYS some vague assertion of appropriation
> of intellectual property - but NOBODY, Balmer included, ever
> mentions specifics. Curious, eh?
>
> Jimserac
> James Pannozzi
>