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What do people think of interactive desktop security as in an
interactive firewall
allowing the individual user to monitor incoming and outgoing
connections allowing
the individual user to deny access or allow access in real time.

How many people actually use the Linux Desktop interactive real time
security
like for example similar to a Windows zone labs product ( zone alarm ).

Hardware firewalls do their job but they are limited in what they can
do in real time..
Users will always want to use programs like ICQ, Internet messenger,
and the dreaded
JavaScript chat rooms which is a security risk on any operating system.


Do people actually really use office Linux Desktop interactive real
time security
like Panda.

How long have you been using it how reliable was it?
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On 2006-11-16, home.home1@virgin.net wrote:
>
>
> What do people think of interactive desktop security as in an
> interactive firewall
> allowing the individual user to monitor incoming and outgoing
> connections allowing
> the individual user to deny access or allow access in real time.

Personal firewall is a bit of a daft idea when you think about
it. The firewall's job is to prevent connections to certain ports on
the computer. The computer is perfectly capable of doing this by not
opening the ports in the first place. Linux systems even allow programs
to specify which network devices ports are open on.

So a personal firewall is an extra layer of defense which basically
allows the user to say "I don't want the operating system to open any
ports". If we design a firewall that opens holes in itself when the
computer opens a port then the firewall effectively becomes useless.

Monitoring incoming and outgoing connections is useful, but I've seen
users generally getting fed up with these and just hitting the OK button
all the time. There are network connection monitoring tools for Linux
for the user that wants to watch what's going on.

- Richard

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Richard Corfield wrote:

> On 2006-11-16, home.home1@virgin.net wrote:
> >
> >
> > What do people think of interactive desktop security as in an
> > interactive firewall
> > allowing the individual user to monitor incoming and outgoing
> > connections allowing
> > the individual user to deny access or allow access in real time.
>
> Personal firewall is a bit of a daft idea when you think about
> it. The firewall's job is to prevent connections to certain ports on
> the computer. The computer is perfectly capable of doing this by not
> opening the ports in the first place. Linux systems even allow programs
> to specify which network devices ports are open on.
>
> So a personal firewall is an extra layer of defense which basically
> allows the user to say "I don't want the operating system to open any
> ports". If we design a firewall that opens holes in itself when the
> computer opens a port then the firewall effectively becomes useless.
>
> Monitoring incoming and outgoing connections is useful, but I've seen
> users generally getting fed up with these and just hitting the OK button
> all the time. There are network connection monitoring tools for Linux
> for the user that wants to watch what's going on.
>
> - Richard
>
> --
> _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard Corfield
> _/ _/ _/ _/
> _/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street, .
> _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twilight Zone 3^



You sort of answered yourself. We need to have certain
ports open at certain times but not all the time. ICQ is
a dangerous program a security risk we need to interact
on ICQ, but on our terms. That is when interactive firewalls
become very useful.

Likewise with allowing certain connections at certain times
for file sharing. Personal firewalls interactive firewalls
allow individual people with no experience to protect
themselves by having a personal firewall holding their
hand all the way.

People do this already with a second computer acting as
a firewall they have to constantly logon to the other
computer to change the firewall rules. Too long winded
and not interactive.

I'm trying to rush type this I've got to go out
somebody is knocking at the door maybe you're right
maybe you're wrong.

I like the idea of personal firewalls

Goodbye

Second reply typed on Windows XP

home.home1@virgin.net wrote:
> I like the idea of personal firewalls

Something like 'let application XX uses port YY when user ZZ run it' is cool
for personal security.

If one port is open, as long as it is not under 1024, any other applications
can use it at present. Am I wrong?

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home.home1@virgin.net wrote:

I wonder why you address "debian users" when you post to a suse and a
mandriva newsgroup?

> What do people think of interactive desktop security as in an
> interactive firewall
> allowing the individual user to monitor incoming and outgoing
> connections allowing
> the individual user to deny access or allow access in real time.
>
Users don't want to be disturbed in their work or pleasure. Only
technophiles really want to know, and there are much better tools
(ethereal/wireshark and others, with proper filters) to monitor in/outgoing
traffic.
Windows users, however, tend to feel protected when a "desktop firewall"
(well, the desktop may burn down but the "firewall" still barfs)
occasionally pops up alerts - and ads to buy the professional version of
that software or their complete internet security suite.
They do not understand the real meaning of these alerts, so there is no real
point in even showing them, but to advertise.

> How many people actually use the Linux Desktop interactive real time
> security
> like for example similar to a Windows zone labs product ( zone alarm ).
>
Hmmm ... Mandriva does have something like that as well, though it ceases to
work once you update your kernel the first time. However, there is
shorewall or firestarter and others. Not *that* interactive, but efficient.
I can speak only for myself, but looking up the logs and checking for
another ssh attack, then putting that IP into hosts.deny will do the job.

> Hardware firewalls do their job but they are limited in what they can
> do in real time..

Nah. They can do everything ... even realtime packet content inspection. But
that needs advanced programming.

> Users will always want to use programs like ICQ, Internet messenger,
> and the dreaded
> JavaScript chat rooms which is a security risk on any operating system.
>
Well, as long as they are "users" in linux, or only windows boxen are
affected, linux isn't really harmed. But since windows users still do their
surfing, chatting, emailing as "admins" most of the time, they will suffer
with their operating system.
>
> Do people actually really use office Linux Desktop interactive real
> time security
> like Panda.
>
Do I smell advertising?
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Walter Mautner wrote:

> Do I smell advertising?
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http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.php

Advertising that would be unusual wouldn't it coming from me
how many companies would have me for an advertiser
God you are ****ing stupid.

Shouldn't you be on the Windows newsgroup
just looked at your profile you are just a cunt.

I post anywhere I like and when ever I like ****ing yanks
are so ****ing stupid!

Look cunt **** off....

Do you understand what I'm saying people how the **** could
I be an advertiser what type of cunt is this!

I ****ing despise yanks they are so ****ing stupid.

The software does not come from the U.K.

Software needs protecting from cunts like you.. You backward
****ing cunt assuming everybody else is you. useless ****ing
cunt.

Read this slowly **** OFF CUNT. I come from England,
West Ham East London I'm not a pencil pusher I am not
an antisocial smelly lonely keyboard Mongoloid.

People, people where do these ****ers come from why are
they not killed at birth?


Hello AM Christophe,
I didn't know the answer sorry to put you in the same post as this
cunt.
http://www.grc.com/port_1024.htm

__________________________________________________ ______________________

1980s
There's been a bomb in Oxford Street! And in the
days before Al'Qaeda, there's only one prime suspect.
U.S.A sponsoring terrorists as always.


The U.S.A has sponsored every terrorist organisation in the world.
One way or another throughout history the U.S.A as attempted
to kill you.



Who's the Governor! You wankers. Keyboard warriors. Put up or shut the
**** up.

http://media.putfile.com/On-The-Streets-Of-America-3
It shows you just how backward yanks are pathetic ****ing yanks.
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Good God! looks like Quasimodo
sorry for calling you a yank you have enough problems already..

__________________________________________________ ________________________


1980s
There's been a bomb in Oxford Street! And in the
days before Al'Qaeda, there's only one prime suspect.
U.S.A sponsoring terrorists as always.


The U.S.A has sponsored every terrorist organisation in the world.
One way or another throughout history the U.S.A as attempted
to kill you.



Who's the Governor! You wankers. Keyboard warriors. Put up or shut the
**** up.

http://media.putfile.com/On-The-Streets-Of-America-3
It shows you just how backward yanks are pathetic ****ing yanks.
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home.home1@virgin.net, quoting signatures like a windows abuser,
brabbled:

> Walter Mautner wrote:
>
>> Do I smell advertising?
.....
> Advertising that would be unusual wouldn't it coming from me
> how many companies would have me for an advertiser

I see, I am wrong. You are probably living on taxpayers purse or wellfare.

> God you are ****ing stupid.
>
.....
> I post anywhere I like and when ever I like ****ing yanks
> are so ****ing stupid!
>
You ****ing imbecile didn't answer the main question:
Why posting "debian users" in your subject to any other group _but_ debians?
Maybe you already have their doorknob imprinted in your ass or forehead,
which might be hard to distinguish.
......

> Read this slowly **** OFF CUNT. I come from England,
> West Ham East London I'm not a pencil pusher I am not
> an antisocial smelly lonely keyboard Mongoloid.
>
> People, people where do these ****ers come from why are
> they not killed at birth?
>
I see you already found out, from your next post. Now that's just usenet,
good for airfarters like you, and my killfile filling.
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Walter Mautner wrote:
> home.home1@virgin.net, quoting signatures like a windows abuser,
> brabbled:
>
> > Walter Mautner wrote:
> >
> >> Do I smell advertising?
> ....
> > Advertising that would be unusual wouldn't it coming from me
> > how many companies would have me for an advertiser
>
> I see, I am wrong. You are probably living on taxpayers purse or wellfare.
>
> > God you are ****ing stupid.
> >
> ....
> > I post anywhere I like and when ever I like ****ing yanks
> > are so ****ing stupid!
> >
> You ****ing imbecile didn't answer the main question:
> Why posting "debian users" in your subject to any other group _but_ debians?
> Maybe you already have their doorknob imprinted in your ass or forehead,
> which might be hard to distinguish.
> .....
>
> > Read this slowly **** OFF CUNT. I come from England,
> > West Ham East London I'm not a pencil pusher I am not
> > an antisocial smelly lonely keyboard Mongoloid.
> >
> > People, people where do these ****ers come from why are
> > they not killed at birth?
> >
> I see you already found out, from your next post. Now that's just usenet,
> good for airfarters like you, and my killfile filling.
> --
> vista policy violation: Microsoft optical mouse found penguin patterns
> on mousepad. Partition scan in progress to remove offending
> incompatible products. Reactivate MS software.
> Linux 2.6.17-mm1,Xorg7.1/nvidia [LinuxCounter#295241,ICQ#4918962]

Take it or leave it.

The sides of your hair make you look like a clown have it
cut as short as possible. The other problems you will just
have to live with. But try some exercising.

You are 51 years old writing about why I choose to post
on what ever group at 51 years old you don't need to
worry about that.

I have nothing more to write to you about
where I come from its called letting you save face
( saving face ).

You can say what you like you are welcome to say what
ever you want..
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__________________________________________________ ___________________________


1980s
There's been a bomb in Oxford Street! And in the
days before Al'Qaeda, there's only one prime suspect.
U.S.A sponsoring terrorists as always.


The U.S.A has sponsored every terrorist organisation in the world.
One way or another throughout history the U.S.A as attempted
to kill you.



Who's the Governor! You wankers. Keyboard warriors. Put up or shut the
**** up.

http://media.putfile.com/On-The-Streets-Of-America-3
It shows you just how backward yanks are pathetic ****ing yanks.
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East London
Mobile phone 07906821566
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