[News] Microsoft hurting from Linux Netbook sales

Quote
Netbooks may be little, but they seem to be causing big problems for
Microsoft, which blames them for a drop in first-quarter earnings and
decreased revenues.
Unquote

Quote
The report goes on to note that netbooks are not only growing at a steady
pace, their sales are literally blowing the roof off any analyst
expectations. Sales of the little laptops are set to reach 11 million in
2008 and shoot up to 41 million by 2012, an outstanding growth level
considering only half a million netbooks were sold last year.

The little Eee PC from Asus as well as Acer Aspire have counted for
approximately a third of total growth in the PC market in 2008, a record
by anyone standards. And in Europe, where wireless providers are handing
out free netbooks with service contracts, the little machines are flying
off shelves.

So, how does this affect Microsoft? Well, for starters, a full 25 per
cent of all netbooks run a Linux OS instead of a Microsoft one. Secondly,
because Vista is too demanding in terms of systems requirements and
memory guzzling, most netbooks which do run Windows are running the
watered down version of XP, XP Home.
Unquote


[url]http://www.itnews.com.au/News/NewsStory.aspx?story=88701[/url]

Of course Microsoft are spinning the problem without mentioning Linux,
but that's SOP for them.

Our resident genius Flatfish the Wintroll, never considered Netbooks
important, oddly neither did Microsoft, yet Netbooks are setting unheard
of growth records.

Windows ... too bloated, too slow, all back-of-the-bus, today


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Terry Porter wrote:
[color=blue]
> Quote
> Netbooks may be little, but they seem to be causing big problems for
> Microsoft, which blames them for a drop in first-quarter earnings and
> decreased revenues.
> Unquote
>
> Quote
> The report goes on to note that netbooks are not only growing at a steady
> pace, their sales are literally blowing the roof off any analyst
> expectations. Sales of the little laptops are set to reach 11 million in
> 2008 and shoot up to 41 million by 2012, an outstanding growth level
> considering only half a million netbooks were sold last year.
>
> The little Eee PC from Asus as well as Acer Aspire have counted for
> approximately a third of total growth in the PC market in 2008, a record
> by anyone standards. And in Europe, where wireless providers are handing
> out free netbooks with service contracts, the little machines are flying
> off shelves.
>
> So, how does this affect Microsoft? Well, for starters, a full 25 per
> cent of all netbooks run a Linux OS instead of a Microsoft one. Secondly,
> because Vista is too demanding in terms of systems requirements and
> memory guzzling, most netbooks which do run Windows are running the
> watered down version of XP, XP Home.
> Unquote
>[/color]

25%? According to what the windows loonies post, this is not possible...

However, I find it all very gratifying.

Thank you, for the illuminating post.
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____/ Terry Porter on Monday 10 November 2008 22:53 : \____
[color=blue]
>
>
> Quote
> Netbooks may be little, but they seem to be causing big problems for
> Microsoft, which blames them for a drop in first-quarter earnings and
> decreased revenues.
> Unquote
>
> Quote
> The report goes on to note that netbooks are not only growing at a steady
> pace, their sales are literally blowing the roof off any analyst
> expectations. Sales of the little laptops are set to reach 11 million in
> 2008 and shoot up to 41 million by 2012, an outstanding growth level
> considering only half a million netbooks were sold last year.
>
> The little Eee PC from Asus as well as Acer Aspire have counted for
> approximately a third of total growth in the PC market in 2008, a record
> by anyone standards. And in Europe, where wireless providers are handing
> out free netbooks with service contracts, the little machines are flying
> off shelves.
>
> So, how does this affect Microsoft? Well, for starters, a full 25 per
> cent of all netbooks run a Linux OS instead of a Microsoft one. Secondly,
> because Vista is too demanding in terms of systems requirements and
> memory guzzling, most netbooks which do run Windows are running the
> watered down version of XP, XP Home.
> Unquote
>
>
> [url]http://www.itnews.com.au/News/NewsStory.aspx?story=88701[/url]
>
> Of course Microsoft are spinning the problem without mentioning Linux,
> but that's SOP for them.
>
> Our resident genius Flatfish the Wintroll, never considered Netbooks
> important, oddly neither did Microsoft, yet Netbooks are setting unheard
> of growth records.
>
> Windows ... too bloated, too slow, all back-of-the-bus, today[/color]

BillG has seen the worth of his software sinking close to $0. It's
patent-trolling time:

[url]http://techdirt.com/articles/20081108/1744562771.shtml[/url]
[url]http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/10/gates_myhrvold_patents/[/url]

Linux has won the technical battle. Now get the lawyers and shoot down the
lobbyists. It's the next battle.

“Intellectual property is the next software.�

–Nathan Myhrvold, Microsoft patent troll


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Terry Porter <linux-2@netspace.net.au> writes:
[color=blue]
> Quote
> Netbooks may be little, but they seem to be causing big problems for
> Microsoft, which blames them for a drop in first-quarter earnings and
> decreased revenues.
> Unquote[/color]

Where do they blame them? That is interesting as I never saw that.
[color=blue]
>
> Quote
> The report goes on to note that netbooks are not only growing at a steady
> pace, their sales are literally blowing the roof off any analyst
> expectations. Sales of the little laptops are set to reach 11 million in
> 2008 and shoot up to 41 million by 2012, an outstanding growth level
> considering only half a million netbooks were sold last year.
>
> The little Eee PC from Asus as well as Acer Aspire have counted for
> approximately a third of total growth in the PC market in 2008, a record
> by anyone standards. And in Europe, where wireless providers are handing
> out free netbooks with service contracts, the little machines are flying
> off shelves.
>
> So, how does this affect Microsoft? Well, for starters, a full 25 per
> cent of all netbooks run a Linux OS instead of a Microsoft one. Secondly,
> because Vista is too demanding in terms of systems requirements and
> memory guzzling, most netbooks which do run Windows are running the
> watered down version of XP, XP Home.
> Unquote
>
>
> [url]http://www.itnews.com.au/News/NewsStory.aspx?story=88701[/url]
>
> Of course Microsoft are spinning the problem without mentioning Linux,
> but that's SOP for them.[/color]

The great majority of netbooks ship with Windows thats why.
[color=blue]
>
> Our resident genius Flatfish the Wintroll, never considered Netbooks
> important, oddly neither did Microsoft, yet Netbooks are setting unheard
> of growth records.
>
> Windows ... too bloated, too slow, all back-of-the-bus, today[/color]

And shipped on the majority of netbooks.

Jerry McBride <jmcbride@mail-on.us> writes:
[color=blue]
> Terry Porter wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Quote
>> Netbooks may be little, but they seem to be causing big problems for
>> Microsoft, which blames them for a drop in first-quarter earnings and
>> decreased revenues.
>> Unquote
>>
>> Quote
>> The report goes on to note that netbooks are not only growing at a steady
>> pace, their sales are literally blowing the roof off any analyst
>> expectations. Sales of the little laptops are set to reach 11 million in
>> 2008 and shoot up to 41 million by 2012, an outstanding growth level
>> considering only half a million netbooks were sold last year.
>>
>> The little Eee PC from Asus as well as Acer Aspire have counted for
>> approximately a third of total growth in the PC market in 2008, a record
>> by anyone standards. And in Europe, where wireless providers are handing
>> out free netbooks with service contracts, the little machines are flying
>> off shelves.
>>
>> So, how does this affect Microsoft? Well, for starters, a full 25 per
>> cent of all netbooks run a Linux OS instead of a Microsoft one. Secondly,
>> because Vista is too demanding in terms of systems requirements and
>> memory guzzling, most netbooks which do run Windows are running the
>> watered down version of XP, XP Home.
>> Unquote
>>[/color]
>
> 25%? According to what the windows loonies post, this is not
> possible...[/color]

Who said that? This is 25% of NEW NETBOOKS. Not laptops. You have been
reading too many Richard Rasker fabrications.

I can well believe that 25% of netbooks are Linux.

And I even pointed out ages ago that linux is perfect for small devices
for web and email on the move. I wrote a small review telling COLA how
good I thought the EEE was.

Don't believe me? Go on. Ask for a link. Dont listen to liars like Willy
all your life.
[color=blue]
>
> However, I find it all very gratifying.
>
> Thank you, for the illuminating post.[/color]

Terry Porter wrote:
[color=blue]
> Our resident genius Flatfish the Wintroll, never considered Netbooks
> important, oddly neither did Microsoft, yet Netbooks are setting unheard
> of growth records.[/color]

And, as more home users realize that Linux works well for browsing, email,
writing letters, collecting photos and all the things most home users use a
computer for -- the less of a monopoly Windows will have.

Not only that, but Microsoft wanted to kill XP -- now they're forced to
support it (for less money than Vista would have brought in) until at least
Vaporware 7 comes out. Even then, it'll be hard to sell Vaporware 7 for
full price on Netbooks, considering that the whole computer costs $300
(probably less by then). And even 25% of 11 million sales means that close
to 3 million Linux Netbook computers (not servers) have sold this year --
many of them to people who have never used Linux before.

Not too shabby, no matter how the WinTrolls try to spin it. Add that to the
number embedded devices that are running Linux, its success in the server
world and the fact that Vista computers are being converted into Linux ones
and it's been a good year for Linux. Microsoft's monopoly is folding in at
the edges.

--
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____/ Jerry McBride on Monday 10 November 2008 23:03 : \____
[color=blue]
>
>
> Terry Porter wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Quote
>> Netbooks may be little, but they seem to be causing big problems for
>> Microsoft, which blames them for a drop in first-quarter earnings and
>> decreased revenues.
>> Unquote
>>
>> Quote
>> The report goes on to note that netbooks are not only growing at a steady
>> pace, their sales are literally blowing the roof off any analyst
>> expectations. Sales of the little laptops are set to reach 11 million in
>> 2008 and shoot up to 41 million by 2012, an outstanding growth level
>> considering only half a million netbooks were sold last year.
>>
>> The little Eee PC from Asus as well as Acer Aspire have counted for
>> approximately a third of total growth in the PC market in 2008, a record
>> by anyone standards. And in Europe, where wireless providers are handing
>> out free netbooks with service contracts, the little machines are flying
>> off shelves.
>>
>> So, how does this affect Microsoft? Well, for starters, a full 25 per
>> cent of all netbooks run a Linux OS instead of a Microsoft one. Secondly,
>> because Vista is too demanding in terms of systems requirements and
>> memory guzzling, most netbooks which do run Windows are running the
>> watered down version of XP, XP Home.
>> Unquote
>>[/color]
>
> 25%? According to what the windows loonies post, this is not possible...
>
> However, I find it all very gratifying.
>
> Thank you, for the illuminating post.[/color]

Other sources say over 40%.

Linux Carried Along on Netbooks Wave

,----[ Quote ]
| Morvay revealed to Linux Magazine Online that there were no specific figures
| for Linux netbook sales, but that it lay somewhere in the 40th percentile.
| Even though this figure seems a little high, it is known that many of the
| world's netbooks have Linux on board since their first inception 18 months
| ago.
|
| For example, notebooks with Linux make up about 5.5% of the notebook market
| in Germany...
`----

[url]http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/linux_carried_along_on_netbooks_wave[/url]



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In article <2032917.npor2WT10t@schestowitz.com>,
Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Other sources say over 40%.[/color]

The president of Asus says 30% for their netbooks.

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"Jerry McBride" <jmcbride@mail-on.us> wrote in message
news:h7rmu5xrn1.ln2@sid.my.domain...[color=blue]
>
> 25%? According to what the windows loonies post, this is not possible...
>[/color]
From most accounts, though, the return rate for Linux is very high, some 4
times the rate for the XP machines, and the net effect is that distributors
are scaling back their stock for Linux versions. I suspect that the Windows
7 version for netbooks that will be targeted at the low end hardware
capabilities of these devices will Linux back to effectively zero as it is
now in desktops and conventional notebooks.

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> espoused:[color=blue]
>
>
> Terry Porter wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Our resident genius Flatfish the Wintroll, never considered Netbooks
>> important, oddly neither did Microsoft, yet Netbooks are setting unheard
>> of growth records.[/color]
>
> And, as more home users realize that Linux works well for browsing, email,
> writing letters, collecting photos and all the things most home users use a
> computer for -- the less of a monopoly Windows will have.
>
> Not only that, but Microsoft wanted to kill XP -- now they're forced to
> support it (for less money than Vista would have brought in) until at least
> Vaporware 7 comes out. Even then, it'll be hard to sell Vaporware 7 for
> full price on Netbooks, considering that the whole computer costs $300
> (probably less by then). And even 25% of 11 million sales means that close
> to 3 million Linux Netbook computers (not servers) have sold this year --
> many of them to people who have never used Linux before.
>
> Not too shabby, no matter how the WinTrolls try to spin it. Add that to the
> number embedded devices that are running Linux, its success in the server
> world and the fact that Vista computers are being converted into Linux ones
> and it's been a good year for Linux. Microsoft's monopoly is folding in at
> the edges.
>[/color]

What nobody mentions is that initially, these netbooks were entirely,
100%, linux-based machines. This market only exists because of Linux.
Microsoft had to un-EOL XP in order to get a position in the market at
all.

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After takin' a swig o' grog, Mark Kent belched out
this bit o' wisdom:
[color=blue]
> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> espoused:
>[color=green]
>> Not too shabby, no matter how the WinTrolls try to spin it. Add that to the
>> number embedded devices that are running Linux, its success in the server
>> world and the fact that Vista computers are being converted into Linux ones
>> and it's been a good year for Linux. Microsoft's monopoly is folding in at
>> the edges.[/color]
>
> What nobody mentions is that initially, these netbooks were entirely,
> 100%, linux-based machines. This market only exists because of Linux.
> Microsoft had to un-EOL XP in order to get a position in the market at
> all.[/color]

Not only that, it is XP Home (XP Crap).

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a cold will hang on for a week.
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On Nov 11, 7:34 am, Mark Kent <mark.k...@demon.co.uk> wrote:[color=blue]
> RonB <ronb02NOS...@gmail.com> espoused:
>
>
>
>
>[color=green]
> > Terry Porter wrote:[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> Our resident genius Flatfish the Wintroll, never considered Netbooks
> >> important, oddly neither did Microsoft, yet Netbooks are setting unheard
> >> of growth records.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> > And, as more home users realize that Linux works well for browsing, email,
> > writing letters, collecting photos and all the things most home users use a
> > computer for -- the less of a monopoly Windows will have.[/color]
>[color=green]
> > Not only that, but Microsoft wanted to kill XP -- now they're forced to
> > support it (for less money than Vista would have brought in) until at least
> > Vaporware 7 comes out. Even then, it'll be hard to sell Vaporware 7 for
> > full price on Netbooks, considering that the whole computer costs $300
> > (probably less by then). And even 25% of 11 million sales means that close
> > to 3 million Linux Netbook computers (not servers) have sold this year --
> > many of them to people who have never used Linux before.[/color]
>[color=green]
> > Not too shabby, no matter how the WinTrolls try to spin it. Add that to the
> > number embedded devices that are running Linux, its success in the server
> > world and the fact that Vista computers are being converted into Linux ones
> > and it's been a good year for Linux. Microsoft's monopoly is folding in at
> > the edges.[/color]
>
> What nobody mentions is that initially, these netbooks were entirely,
> 100%, linux-based machines. This market only exists because of Linux.
> Microsoft had to un-EOL XP in order to get a position in the market at
> all.[/color]

More "innovation" from Redmond!

Mark Kent wrote:
[color=blue]
> What nobody mentions is that initially, these netbooks were entirely,
> 100%, linux-based machines. Â*This market only exists because of Linux.
> Microsoft had to un-EOL XP in order to get a position in the market at
> all.[/color]

Exactly. Once again someone else innovates and Microsoft gloms on.

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"Chris Ahlstrom" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
news:PFjSk.58498$XT1.8204@bignews5.bellsouth.net...[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> What nobody mentions is that initially, these netbooks were entirely,
>> 100%, linux-based machines. This market only exists because of Linux.
>> Microsoft had to un-EOL XP in order to get a position in the market at
>> all.[/color]
>[/color]
And MS got an immediate 70 -80% of the business, just by waving their logo.
What does that tell you? You could figure out that there is more to
business and retail commerce than bits and bytes and brands and marketing
are strong factors or you could come up with some store that MS can
illegally exert mind control on tens of millions of buyers. Take your pick.

<nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
news:74bcbcd1-8573-4d75-ab71-794ce6feca01@r37g2000prr.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> More "innovation" from Redmond!
>[/color]
More limp noodlery from the Linux advocates, more likely. They don't know
how to sell, they want everything for free.

amicus_curious wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
> news:PFjSk.58498$XT1.8204@bignews5.bellsouth.net...[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> What nobody mentions is that initially, these netbooks were entirely,
>>> 100%, linux-based machines. This market only exists because of Linux.
>>> Microsoft had to un-EOL XP in order to get a position in the market at
>>> all.[/color]
>>[/color]
> And MS got an immediate 70 -80% of the business, just by waving their
> logo.[/color]

It tells me that they're a monopoly who have ways of pressuring OEMs to do
what they want them to do. It also tells me that Microsoft had to back down
on their "getting rid of XP" pledge and that, to get the business, they had
to reduce the prices of their OEM licenses significantly -- which is
why "Microsoft is hurting from Linux Netbook sales." (Read the subject line
of this thread.)

So what will Microsoft do when the price of Netbooks drop into the $200
range? -- which they will. Are they going to give away their cut down
versions of XP or Vaporware 7 Lite to "compete" (remain a monopoly)? It's
going to be interesting.

And 3 million new Linux Netbooks this year alone is still significant number
and will remain significant, no matter how much WinTrolls try to spin away
from the facts.

--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"

amicus_curious wrote:
[color=blue]
> More limp noodlery from the Linux advocates, more likely.[/color]

Asus knows how to sell, and their Netbook revolution was made possible by
Linux.

Live with it.

--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"

After takin' a swig o' grog, RonB belched out
this bit o' wisdom:
[color=blue]
> amicus_curious wrote:
>[color=green]
>> More limp noodlery from the Linux advocates, more likely.[/color]
>
> Asus knows how to sell, and their Netbook revolution was made possible by
> Linux.
>
> Live with it.[/color]

He can't. It makes him itchy inside his skull.

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After takin' a swig o' grog, amicus_curious belched out
this bit o' wisdom:
[color=blue]
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
> news:PFjSk.58498$XT1.8204@bignews5.bellsouth.net...[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> What nobody mentions is that initially, these netbooks were entirely,
>>> 100%, linux-based machines. This market only exists because of Linux.
>>> Microsoft had to un-EOL XP in order to get a position in the market at
>>> all.[/color]
>>[/color]
> And MS got an immediate 70 -80% of the business, just by waving their logo.
> What does that tell you? You could figure out that there is more to
> business and retail commerce than bits and bytes and brands and marketing
> are strong factors or you could come up with some store that MS can
> illegally exert mind control on tens of millions of buyers. Take your pick.[/color]

Thanks for the corroboration of our understanding of the Microsoft monopoly
at the /present point in time/ (i.e. diminished from what it was a decade
ago, but by no means moribund.)

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On 2008-11-11, amicus_curious <ACDC@sti.net> wrote:[color=blue]
>
><nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
> news:74bcbcd1-8573-4d75-ab71-794ce6feca01@r37g2000prr.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>>
>> More "innovation" from Redmond!
>>[/color]
> More limp noodlery from the Linux advocates, more likely. They don't know
> how to sell, they want everything for free.[/color]

Not at all. I would have gladly paid big money for NeXT or Solaris
back in the day. Unfortunately neither ran on normal consumer PC's.
Now of course I can't sell. I am a geek. I BUILD things. I appreciate
others that appreciate BUILDING things rather than just selling them.

Detroit vs. Tokyo

Some people can do more than just tell pleasant lies (sell).

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