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  1. What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.

  2. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    Darth Chaos wrote:
    > All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.


    What makes you say that?

    Obama is a lot more socialist than the likes of Bush or McCain, you know.

  3. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    Ben wrote:

    > Darth Chaos wrote:
    >> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.

    >
    > What makes you say that?
    >
    > Obama is a lot more socialist than the likes of Bush or McCain, you know.


    I don't think you have any idea what a Socialist is.

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  4. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    SomeBloke wrote:
    > Ben wrote:
    >
    >> Darth Chaos wrote:
    >>> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.

    >> What makes you say that?
    >>
    >> Obama is a lot more socialist than the likes of Bush or McCain, you know.

    >
    > I don't think you have any idea what a Socialist is.
    >


    If you think Bush is more socialist than Obama, well... That just
    *would* be funny, wouldn't it?

  5. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

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    > SomeBloke wrote:
    >> Ben wrote:
    >>
    >>> Darth Chaos wrote:
    >>>> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.
    >>> What makes you say that?
    >>>
    >>> Obama is a lot more socialist than the likes of Bush or McCain, you know.

    >>
    >> I don't think you have any idea what a Socialist is.
    >>

    >
    > If you think Bush is more socialist than Obama, well... That just
    > *would* be funny, wouldn't it?


    Maybe socialist and sociopath are being mixed here.

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI

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  6. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    Roy Schestowitz espoused:
    >
    > ____/ Ben on Wednesday 05 November 2008 09:12 : \____
    >
    >> SomeBloke wrote:
    >>> Ben wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Darth Chaos wrote:
    >>>>> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.
    >>>> What makes you say that?
    >>>>
    >>>> Obama is a lot more socialist than the likes of Bush or McCain, you know.
    >>>
    >>> I don't think you have any idea what a Socialist is.
    >>>

    >>
    >> If you think Bush is more socialist than Obama, well... That just
    >> *would* be funny, wouldn't it?

    >
    > Maybe socialist and sociopath are being mixed here.
    >
    > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI
    >


    There does seem to be confusion here as to what socialist actually
    means. If I ever see a socialist politician in the US, I'll let you
    know... even here, the 90s and 00s pushed many underground. I suspect
    that the general misery which will result from the recession will see a
    few more socialists rising, though.

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  7. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    After takin' a swig o' grog, Darth Chaos belched out
    this bit o' wisdom:

    > All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.


    I dunno. Bush set the bar pretty low in a lot of ways: environment,
    war, government response to national disaster, government response to
    wrong-doing, support for biological science, ....

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  8. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?


    "Ben" wrote in message
    news:gerclq$q76$2@registered.motzarella.org...
    > Darth Chaos wrote:
    >> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.

    >
    > What makes you say that?
    >

    Consider that Bill Gates' bridge playing buddy is Warren Buffet and Obama
    has mentioned Buffet as a potential cabinet pick. How's that for getting
    into the inner circle? Maybe they will make Gates' a nice position, too.


  9. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    Ben wrote:
    >
    > Darth Chaos wrote:
    >> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.

    >
    > What makes you say that?
    >
    > Obama is a lot more socialist than the likes of Bush or McCain, you know.


    Yeah like Stalin was a lot more capitalist than Lenin.

  10. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    geonik wrote:
    > Ben wrote:
    >>
    >> Darth Chaos wrote:
    >>> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.

    >>
    >> What makes you say that?
    >>
    >> Obama is a lot more socialist than the likes of Bush or McCain, you know.

    >
    > Yeah like Stalin was a lot more capitalist than Lenin.


    Bad analogy.

  11. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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    > ____/ Ben on Wednesday 05 November 2008 09:12 : \____
    >
    >> SomeBloke wrote:
    >>> Ben wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Darth Chaos wrote:
    >>>>> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.
    >>>> What makes you say that?
    >>>>
    >>>> Obama is a lot more socialist than the likes of Bush or McCain, you know.
    >>> I don't think you have any idea what a Socialist is.
    >>>

    >> If you think Bush is more socialist than Obama, well... That just
    >> *would* be funny, wouldn't it?

    >
    > Maybe socialist and sociopath are being mixed here.
    >
    > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI
    >
    > - --
    > ~~ Best of wishes
    >
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    In the case of Bush, yes, sociopath is a good term. Obama? We'll see.

  12. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    Mark Kent wrote:
    > Roy Schestowitz espoused:
    >> ____/ Ben on Wednesday 05 November 2008 09:12 : \____
    >>
    >>> SomeBloke wrote:
    >>>> Ben wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Darth Chaos wrote:
    >>>>>> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.
    >>>>> What makes you say that?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Obama is a lot more socialist than the likes of Bush or McCain, you know.
    >>>> I don't think you have any idea what a Socialist is.
    >>>>
    >>> If you think Bush is more socialist than Obama, well... That just
    >>> *would* be funny, wouldn't it?

    >> Maybe socialist and sociopath are being mixed here.
    >>
    >> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI
    >>

    >
    > There does seem to be confusion here as to what socialist actually
    > means. If I ever see a socialist politician in the US, I'll let you
    > know... even here, the 90s and 00s pushed many underground. I suspect
    > that the general misery which will result from the recession will see a
    > few more socialists rising, though.
    >


    I'll believe it when I see it.

  13. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    After takin' a swig o' grog, Ben belched out
    this bit o' wisdom:

    > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >> Maybe socialist and sociopath are being mixed here.
    >>
    >> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI
    >>

    > In the case of Bush, yes, sociopath is a good term. Obama? We'll see.


    Does Obama have his own Mephistopheles (a.k.a. Dick Cheney)?

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  14. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

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    ____/ Ben on Wednesday 05 November 2008 14:55 : \____

    > Mark Kent wrote:
    >> Roy Schestowitz espoused:
    >>> ____/ Ben on Wednesday 05 November 2008 09:12 : \____
    >>>
    >>>> SomeBloke wrote:
    >>>>> Ben wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Darth Chaos wrote:
    >>>>>>> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.
    >>>>>> What makes you say that?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Obama is a lot more socialist than the likes of Bush or McCain, you
    >>>>>> know.
    >>>>> I don't think you have any idea what a Socialist is.
    >>>>>
    >>>> If you think Bush is more socialist than Obama, well... That just
    >>>> *would* be funny, wouldn't it?
    >>> Maybe socialist and sociopath are being mixed here.
    >>>
    >>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI
    >>>

    >>
    >> There does seem to be confusion here as to what socialist actually
    >> means. If I ever see a socialist politician in the US, I'll let you
    >> know... even here, the 90s and 00s pushed many underground. I suspect
    >> that the general misery which will result from the recession will see a
    >> few more socialists rising, though.
    >>

    >
    > I'll believe it when I see it.


    Same here. It's easy to seem charming over the course of the run for the
    elections. That's just how one gets elected.

    http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archiv...nge-hopefully/

    Did you know that RMS said "Vote Nader"?

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  15. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?


    "Darth Chaos" wrote in message
    news:07e90f27-be58-4515-ab20-355cecd4ebdf@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
    > All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.


    The Obama presidency will mean absolutely nothing to the free software
    movement. Clearly there are far more important issues for him to deal with
    then this "movement." Perhaps some low level hack may care about your
    "movement" in some way but at the presidential level it means nothing.





  16. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    On 2008-11-05, Ezekiel wrote:
    >
    > "Darth Chaos" wrote in message
    > news:07e90f27-be58-4515-ab20-355cecd4ebdf@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
    >> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.

    >
    > The Obama presidency will mean absolutely nothing to the free software
    > movement. Clearly there are far more important issues for him to deal with
    > then this "movement." Perhaps some low level hack may care about your
    > "movement" in some way but at the presidential level it means nothing.


    Perhaps your not paying attention.

    Obama has already advocated for creative commons style licensing
    of the debate video. He's a very well plugged in politician and he
    cut his teeth on "community organizing". So there's a very good
    chance that he "gets it".

    He's not quite your grandpa's politician.

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  17. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?


    "JEDIDIAH" wrote in message
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    > On 2008-11-05, Ezekiel wrote:
    >>
    >> "Darth Chaos" wrote in message
    >> news:07e90f27-be58-4515-ab20-355cecd4ebdf@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
    >>> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.

    >>
    >> The Obama presidency will mean absolutely nothing to the free software
    >> movement. Clearly there are far more important issues for him to deal
    >> with
    >> then this "movement." Perhaps some low level hack may care about your
    >> "movement" in some way but at the presidential level it means nothing.

    >
    > Perhaps your not paying attention.


    I am paying attention. The difference is that I hear what's actually said
    and done. You seem to hear what you want to hear.

    > Obama has already advocated for creative commons style licensing
    > of the debate video. He's a very well plugged in politician and he
    > cut his teeth on "community organizing". So there's a very good
    > chance that he "gets it".


    Good for his licensing of the "debate video" that was publically broadcast
    on just about every television channel. Too bad that has nothing to do with
    software.

    > He's not quite your grandpa's politician.


    Clearly not in several ways. But he's the President and Command in Chief.
    He's not going to do anything at all for the "free software movement."
    That's just a fact. Unless of course you can show me some transcript of a
    speach he made somewhere that indicates otherwise.

    Oh yeah... and what exactly is Obama going to do to benefit the "free
    software movement" - Is he going to write some code and open source it? What
    specifically do you think he'll do for this "movement."


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  18. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    After takin' a swig o' grog, Ezekiel belched out
    this bit o' wisdom:

    > Oh yeah... and what exactly is Obama going to do to benefit the "free
    > software movement" - Is he going to write some code and open source it? What
    > specifically do you think he'll do for this "movement."


    Hopefully, he'll simply keep his hands off it.

    I was going to say "control Microsoft", too, but, thanks to Bush's
    inattention, lawsuits and market mistakes have done the job pretty well
    already.

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  19. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    Chris Ahlstrom writes:

    > After takin' a swig o' grog, Ezekiel belched out
    > this bit o' wisdom:
    >
    >> Oh yeah... and what exactly is Obama going to do to benefit the "free
    >> software movement" - Is he going to write some code and open source it? What
    >> specifically do you think he'll do for this "movement."

    >
    > Hopefully, he'll simply keep his hands off it.
    >
    > I was going to say "control Microsoft", too, but, thanks to Bush's
    > inattention, lawsuits and market mistakes have done the job pretty well
    > already.


    I have read 3 posts from you today and each and everyone seems to come
    from cloud cuckoo land. Do you ever stop and think before you post?

    Why do you think MS should be controlled and Open Source not? People
    have a choice as to what they use and MS should be able to do what they
    want with their own OS. You want freedom and choice? Great. Do not
    choose MS. Buy a Mac or use a good Linux distro like Ubuntu.


  20. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free softwaremovement?

    On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:11:31 +0100
    Steve Townsend wrote:

    > You want freedom and choice? Great. Do not choose MS. Buy a Mac or
    > use a good Linux distro like Ubuntu.


    Well said!

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