What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement? - Linux

This is a discussion on What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement? - Linux ; On 2008-11-05, Ezekiel wrote: > > "JEDIDIAH" wrote in message > news:slrngh3qp2.ume.jedi@nomad.mishnet... >> On 2008-11-05, Ezekiel wrote: >>> >>> "Darth Chaos" wrote in message >>> news:07e90f27-be58-4515-ab20-355cecd4ebdf@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >>>> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy. >>> >>> ...

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  1. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    On 2008-11-05, Ezekiel wrote:
    >
    > "JEDIDIAH" wrote in message
    > news:slrngh3qp2.ume.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
    >> On 2008-11-05, Ezekiel wrote:
    >>>
    >>> "Darth Chaos" wrote in message
    >>> news:07e90f27-be58-4515-ab20-355cecd4ebdf@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
    >>>> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.
    >>>
    >>> The Obama presidency will mean absolutely nothing to the free software
    >>> movement. Clearly there are far more important issues for him to deal
    >>> with
    >>> then this "movement." Perhaps some low level hack may care about your
    >>> "movement" in some way but at the presidential level it means nothing.

    >>
    >> Perhaps your not paying attention.

    >
    > I am paying attention. The difference is that I hear what's actually said
    > and done. You seem to hear what you want to hear.
    >
    >> Obama has already advocated for creative commons style licensing
    >> of the debate video. He's a very well plugged in politician and he
    >> cut his teeth on "community organizing". So there's a very good
    >> chance that he "gets it".

    >
    > Good for his licensing of the "debate video" that was publically broadcast
    > on just about every television channel. Too bad that has nothing to do with
    > software.


    Copyright is Copyright. The same principles that apply to software also
    apply to 80 year old music recordings or 50 year old TV recordings or 15 year
    old software programs. Mindless, pointless posessiveness effects all of those
    things equally.

    [deletia]

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  2. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free softwaremovement?

    On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:12:53 +0000, Ben wrote:

    > SomeBloke wrote:
    >> Ben wrote:
    >>
    >>> Darth Chaos wrote:
    >>>> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.
    >>> What makes you say that?
    >>>
    >>> Obama is a lot more socialist than the likes of Bush or McCain, you
    >>> know.

    >>
    >> I don't think you have any idea what a Socialist is.
    >>
    >>

    > If you think Bush is more socialist than Obama, well... That just
    > *would* be funny, wouldn't it?


    If you want to see socialism in action, look north. That's what socialism
    looks like when its trying to compete/trade with a capitalist country.

  3. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?


    "JEDIDIAH" wrote in message
    news:slrngh41se.agb.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
    > On 2008-11-05, Ezekiel wrote:
    >>
    >> "JEDIDIAH" wrote in message
    >> news:slrngh3qp2.ume.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
    >>> On 2008-11-05, Ezekiel wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> "Darth Chaos" wrote in message
    >>>> news:07e90f27-be58-4515-ab20-355cecd4ebdf@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
    >>>>> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.
    >>>>
    >>>> The Obama presidency will mean absolutely nothing to the free software
    >>>> movement. Clearly there are far more important issues for him to deal
    >>>> with
    >>>> then this "movement." Perhaps some low level hack may care about your
    >>>> "movement" in some way but at the presidential level it means nothing.
    >>>
    >>> Perhaps your not paying attention.

    >>
    >> I am paying attention. The difference is that I hear what's actually said
    >> and done. You seem to hear what you want to hear.
    >>
    >>> Obama has already advocated for creative commons style licensing
    >>> of the debate video. He's a very well plugged in politician and he
    >>> cut his teeth on "community organizing". So there's a very good
    >>> chance that he "gets it".

    >>
    >> Good for his licensing of the "debate video" that was publically
    >> broadcast
    >> on just about every television channel. Too bad that has nothing to do
    >> with
    >> software.

    >
    > Copyright is Copyright.


    Yeah. Just like food is food and a car is a car and a suit is a suit. It's
    all the same thing.


    > The same principles that apply to software also
    > apply to 80 year old music recordings or 50 year old TV recordings or 15
    > year
    > old software programs. Mindless, pointless posessiveness effects all of
    > those
    > things equally.


    Why don't you quit hiding behind your adolescent [deletia] **** and explain
    in detail exactly what Obama is going to do to help the "free software
    movement." Oh that's right... he's not going to anything at all.






  4. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?


    "Rex Ballard" wrote in message
    news:4730ef00-d890-4794-b927-37afb9f73a62@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
    > On Nov 5, 1:03 pm, "Ezekiel" wrote:
    >> "Darth Chaos" wrote in message
    >> news:07e90f27-be58-4515-ab20-355cecd4ebdf@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

    >
    >> > All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.

    >
    >> The Obama presidency will mean absolutely nothing to the free software
    >> movement. Clearly there are far more important issues for him to deal
    >> with
    >> then this "movement." Perhaps some low level hack may care about your
    >> "movement" in some way but at the presidential level it means nothing.

    >
    > Actually, Obama used Open Office software instead of Microsoft
    > Office.


    And I saw a video of him on television typing into a laptop and he was most
    definitely running MS-Windows on the laptop.


    > He also use Red Hat Linux for his server.


    Oh please.... like Obama actually had anything to do with the choice of OS
    for the server. It happens to be what the hosting company that hosts his
    website uses.


    > He was a community organizer, and Linux/OSS is run by community
    > organizers.


    And he wears shoes, and MS execs also wear shoes.


    (Snip - Nothing to do with Obama and free software.)



  5. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    After takin' a swig o' grog, Steve Townsend belched out
    this bit o' wisdom:



    --
    Hier liegt ein Mann ganz obnegleich; Here lies a man with sundry flaws
    Im Leibe dick, an Suden reich. And numerous Sins upon his head;
    Wir haben ihn in das Grab gesteckt, We buried him today because
    Weil es uns dunkt er sei verreckt. As far as we can tell, he's dead.

  6. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    On Nov 5, 4:26 pm, "Ezekiel" wrote:
    > "Rex Ballard" wrote in message
    >
    > news:4730ef00-d890-4794-b927-37afb9f73a62@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
    >
    > > On Nov 5, 1:03 pm, "Ezekiel" wrote:
    > >> "Darth Chaos" wrote in message
    > >>news:07e90f27-be58-4515-ab20-355cecd4ebdf@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

    >
    > >> > All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.

    >
    > >> The Obama presidency will mean absolutely nothing to the free software
    > >> movement. Clearly there are far more important issues for him to deal
    > >> with
    > >> then this "movement." Perhaps some low level hack may care about your
    > >> "movement" in some way but at the presidential level it means nothing.

    >
    > > Actually, Obama used Open Office software instead of Microsoft
    > > Office.


    > And I saw a video of him on television typing into a laptop and he was most
    > definitely running MS-Windows on the laptop.


    My understanding is that he personally uses Windows, but several of
    his aids and campaign workers are Linux users.

    > > He also use Red Hat Linux for his server.


    > Oh please.... like Obama actually had anything to do with the choice of OS
    > for the server. It happens to be what the hosting company that hosts his
    > website uses.


    Yes, but there are lots of competitor hosting companies, and the
    McCain campaign carefully chose to use Windows 2003 as their web
    server. Obama is more aware of computer technology. Remember that
    when he was a community organizer in Chicago in the early 1990s,
    Chicago businesses were literally leaving thousands of Windows 3.1 PCs
    in the alleys because they couldn't run Windows NT or Windows 95.
    Millions of those old PCs were reconfigured with Slackware Linux and
    given to communities is Harlem, Brooklyn, Alphabet City, and Chicago's
    "south side". Alphabet City is now known as "Silicon Alley". Harlem
    is now fashionable, and the community where Obama was an organizer is
    similarly "up-scale".

    > > He was a community organizer, and Linux/OSS is run by community
    > > organizers.


    The key thing here is that Obama is aware of the power of community
    action and is probably quite familiar with the power of community
    developed software.

    As it is, most PC companies have gone overseas during the Bush years,
    because Microsoft was bleeding the American PC makers dry.

    Gateway - Bankrupt before being purchased by Acer.
    IBM - sold their PC business to Lenovo.
    Dell - subsidizes PC business with HDTV business and server (Linux)
    business.
    HP - Subsidizes PC business with Printer and Server businesses.
    CompUSA - Closed nearly all of it's Retail stores due to collapse of
    PC industry.
    Best Buy - Computer departments in disrepair.
    Circuit City - Most profitable products this year were Linux sub-
    notebooks.

    Linux helps let young people learn HOW a computer works.

    At the same time, you don't HAVE to knew how it works to USE it.

  7. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    On Nov 5, 9:34*am, "amicus_curious" wrote:
    > "Ben" wrote in message
    >
    > news:gerclq$q76$2@registered.motzarella.org...> Darth Chaos wrote:
    > >> All I know isObamaand Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.

    >
    > > What makes you say that?

    >
    > Consider that Bill Gates' bridge playing buddy is Warren Buffet andObama
    > has mentioned Buffet as a potential cabinet pick. *How's that for getting
    > into the inner circle? *Maybe they will make Gates' a nice position, too.


    Maybe Obama will create a new cabinet position named the U.S.
    Technology Department and make Gates the first Secretary of Technology.

  8. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    On Nov 5, 11:12*am, Roy Schestowitz
    wrote:
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    > ____/ Ben on Wednesday 05 November 2008 14:55 : \____
    >
    >
    >
    > > Mark Kent wrote:
    > >> Roy Schestowitz espoused:
    > >>> ____/ Ben on Wednesday 05 November 2008 09:12 : \____

    >
    > >>>> SomeBloke wrote:
    > >>>>> Ben wrote:

    >
    > >>>>>> Darth Chaos wrote:
    > >>>>>>> All I know isObamaand Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.
    > >>>>>> What makes you say that?

    >
    > >>>>>>Obamais a lot more socialist than the likes of Bush or McCain, you
    > >>>>>> know.
    > >>>>> I don't think you have any idea what a Socialist is.

    >
    > >>>> If you think Bush is more socialist thanObama, well... That just
    > >>>> *would* be funny, wouldn't it?
    > >>> Maybe socialist and sociopath are being mixed here.

    >
    > >>>http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI

    >
    > >> There does seem to be confusion here as to what socialist actually
    > >> means. * If I ever see a socialist politician in the US, I'll let you
    > >> know... *even here, the 90s and 00s pushed many underground. *I suspect
    > >> that the general misery which will result from the recession will see a
    > >> few more socialists rising, though.

    >
    > > I'll believe it when I see it.

    >
    > Same here. It's easy to seem charming over the course of the run for the
    > elections. That's just how one gets elected.
    >
    > http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archiv...nge-hopefully/
    >
    > Did you know that RMS said "Vote Nader"?


    Yeah, and Nader is being smeared by the left-wing websites for calling
    Obama an "Uncle Tom".


  9. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?


    "Rex Ballard" wrote in message
    news:21b26c1e-c861-4bca-b0fa-a9e6cc240dbc@f37g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
    > On Nov 5, 4:26 pm, "Ezekiel" wrote:
    >> "Rex Ballard" wrote in message
    >>
    >> news:4730ef00-d890-4794-b927-37afb9f73a62@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
    >>
    >> > On Nov 5, 1:03 pm, "Ezekiel" wrote:
    >> >> "Darth Chaos" wrote in message
    >> >>news:07e90f27-be58-4515-ab20-355cecd4ebdf@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

    >>
    >> >> > All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.

    >>
    >> >> The Obama presidency will mean absolutely nothing to the free software
    >> >> movement. Clearly there are far more important issues for him to deal
    >> >> with
    >> >> then this "movement." Perhaps some low level hack may care about your
    >> >> "movement" in some way but at the presidential level it means nothing.

    >>
    >> > Actually, Obama used Open Office software instead of Microsoft
    >> > Office.

    >
    >> And I saw a video of him on television typing into a laptop and he was
    >> most
    >> definitely running MS-Windows on the laptop.

    >
    > My understanding is that he personally uses Windows, but several of
    > his aids and campaign workers are Linux users.


    Given that he has 10's of thousands of people who helped work on his
    campaing I would expect that some use Linux. Any many others use Windows and
    Mac.

    >> > He also use Red Hat Linux for his server.

    >
    >> Oh please.... like Obama actually had anything to do with the choice of
    >> OS
    >> for the server. It happens to be what the hosting company that hosts his
    >> website uses.

    >
    > Yes, but there are lots of competitor hosting companies, and the
    > McCain campaign carefully chose to use Windows 2003 as their web
    > server.


    Nonsense. They needed a website so they hired a web-design firm to create
    one for them. It's the web-design firm that decided who's going to host the
    site and what technology (ASP/PHP/etc) to use for the site. The notion that
    the McCain's campaign made a careful decision to use Windows to host the
    website is ridiculous.


    > Obama is more aware of computer technology.


    I would hope that he is able to work a spreadsheet, write a letter or send
    email. So he's just as aware of computer technology as any other computer
    user. I seriously doubt that he has a detailed technical understanding of
    computers.

    > Remember that
    > when he was a community organizer in Chicago in the early 1990s,
    > Chicago businesses were literally leaving thousands of Windows 3.1 PCs
    > in the alleys because they couldn't run Windows NT or Windows 95.


    So he was a community organizer. There's no connection between that and
    computer technology.

    > Millions of those old PCs were reconfigured with Slackware Linux and
    > given to communities is Harlem, Brooklyn, Alphabet City, and Chicago's
    > "south side".


    Any proof of this?


    > Alphabet City is now known as "Silicon Alley". Harlem
    > is now fashionable, and the community where Obama was an organizer is
    > similarly "up-scale".


    That's nice for the people who own real estate there. Irrelevant to
    computers.


    >> > He was a community organizer, and Linux/OSS is run by community
    >> > organizers.

    >
    > The key thing here is that Obama is aware of the power of community
    > action and is probably quite familiar with the power of community
    > developed software.


    I'd say he's probably not quite familiar with the various facets of software
    development. To him, like most people, it's just software.


    > As it is, most PC companies have gone overseas during the Bush years,
    > because Microsoft was bleeding the American PC makers dry.
    >
    > Gateway - Bankrupt before being purchased by Acer.
    > IBM - sold their PC business to Lenovo.
    > Dell - subsidizes PC business with HDTV business and server (Linux)
    > business.
    > HP - Subsidizes PC business with Printer and Server businesses.
    > CompUSA - Closed nearly all of it's Retail stores due to collapse of
    > PC industry.
    > Best Buy - Computer departments in disrepair.
    > Circuit City - Most profitable products this year were Linux sub-
    > notebooks.


    And there are dozens of companies that went out of business long before
    this. Much of this is explainable by the natural price decline of what has
    become a commodity item. Look at what memory or a HDD costs compared to the
    1980's or 1990's. You can't have a commodity market with several dozens of
    manufacturers. The exact same thing happened to the printer market. Is this
    somehow Microsoft's fault too?

    > Linux helps let young people learn HOW a computer works.


    Nothing to do with young people. Anyone with a desire to learn how a
    computer works can learn this with any OS. People start writing scripts and
    then applications. Very few people are /that/ interested in computers that
    they need the source code to the OS kernel in order to learn how a computer
    works.


    > At the same time, you don't HAVE to knew how it works to USE it.


    Which is true for ninety-something percent of computer users.




  10. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    alt wrote:

    >If you want to see socialism in action, look north. That's what socialism
    >looks like when its trying to compete/trade with a capitalist country.


    Are they doing badly?


  11. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    Verily I say unto thee, that SomeBloke spake thusly:
    > Ben wrote:
    >> Darth Chaos wrote:


    >>> All I know is Obama and Microsoft will be all buddy-buddy.

    >>
    >> What makes you say that?
    >>
    >> Obama is a lot more socialist than the likes of Bush or McCain, you
    >> know.

    >
    > I don't think you have any idea what a Socialist is.


    Well it's obvious that a socialist is anyone who is not a raving loony
    fascist ... according to the raving loony fascists.

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  12. Re: What will an Obama presidency mean to the free software movement?

    Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
    > After takin' a swig o' grog, Ezekiel belched out this bit o' wisdom:


    >> Oh yeah... and what exactly is Obama going to do to benefit the
    >> "free software movement" - Is he going to write some code and open
    >> source it? What specifically do you think he'll do for this
    >> "movement."

    >
    > Hopefully, he'll simply keep his hands off it.
    >
    > I was going to say "control Microsoft"


    You misspelled "burn to the ground and piss on the ashes".

    Obama may be American, which immediately bends his political stance
    somewhere to the right of Mussolini, but he's also a rights activist,
    which gives me hope that he may actually use his power in office to
    reclaim (and retain) some of those rights for the American people. And
    what more fundamental right is there than Freedom (other than the right
    to life itself)? The Free Software movement is a far more central issue
    than many would give credit for. Obama may know squat about computers,
    or care less about Linux, but he certainly cares about Freedom and
    justice. Let's hope that his policies bring (perhaps indirectly) the
    former to software and the latter to Microsoft.

    --
    K.
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