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  1. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    "Tattoo Vampire" schreef in bericht
    news:1pho243i3btzw$.dlg@this.domain.or.that...
    > On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:22:56 +0100, Clogwog wrote:
    >
    >> A minor and easily fixable issue, b.t.w.
    >> It shows: Windows user by day, Linux user, windows basher by night!

    >
    > Hey, dumbass - I posted here a few week ago that my dad had sent me a
    > Vista
    > machine he built. Problem?



    Yeah! and my great-great-gran runs maggot-linux distro!, pretty good
    cover-up, Don!
    "40tude Dialog is a feature loaded, multi-server, multi-threaded *Windows*
    newsreader with Unicode character support."

  2. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    Clogwog wrote:
    > "Tattoo Vampire" schreef in bericht
    > news:1pho243i3btzw$.dlg@this.domain.or.that...
    >> On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:22:56 +0100, Clogwog wrote:
    >>
    >>> A minor and easily fixable issue, b.t.w.
    >>> It shows: Windows user by day, Linux user, windows basher by night!

    >>
    >> Hey, dumbass - I posted here a few week ago that my dad had sent me a
    >> Vista
    >> machine he built. Problem?

    >
    >
    > Yeah! and my great-great-gran runs maggot-linux distro!, pretty good
    > cover-up, Don!
    > "40tude Dialog is a feature loaded, multi-server, multi-threaded
    > *Windows* newsreader with Unicode character support."
    >

  3. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:32:06 -0600, Terry Porter wrote:

    > On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:31:25 +0000, Homer wrote:
    >
    >> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
    >>> ____/ Peter K÷hlmann on Saturday 01 November 2008 16:52 : \____
    >>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>> ____/ Tattoo Vampire on Saturday 01 November 2008 14:33 : \____
    >>>>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:58:21 -0600, High Plains Thumper wrote:

    >>
    >>>>>>> Perhaps it is time to start comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group?
    >>>>>>> Your thoughts?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I think you're right. Assholes like Queeg and Splat make it
    >>>>>> miserable for the real users here.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I'm in favour. Let's do this. :-)
    >>>>>
    >>>> A moderated advocacy group? Really?
    >>>
    >>> Counter arguments are one thing. Personal attacks, which were directed
    >>> at you as well, are another.

    >>
    >> Establishing the rules for moderation, and not crossing the line due to
    >> personal conflicts is a difficult proposition though. My opinion of who
    >> is or isn't a Troll may be different to others. People sometimes have a
    >> disagreement and insult each other; have bad days; post OT funnies, and
    >> so on. Should they be banned?
    >>
    >> There are some obvious Trolls with absolutely nothing to contribute ...
    >> such as DooFuS; Dopez; Hardon; Scott "****stick Nudds" Douglas; flatty;
    >> and creepy stalkers like Smith, but I'm still on the fence with Fuddie,
    >> who does (or used to) at least try to be reasonable. Recently, he seems
    >> to have gone completely off the deep end though - his weaseling FUD has
    >> become ridiculous, as he sprints to defend the Vole from every possible
    >> criticism in the most desperate and pathetic way. It's embarrassing. It
    >> is almost as pathetic as watching Jeff Waugh come running to his pal de
    >> Icaza's rescue every time someone points out what a Microsoft fanboy he
    >> is (heck, de Icaza admits that himself).
    >>
    >> Then again, some people seem to enjoy jousting with the Trolls. As much
    >> as I don't want to read a single putrid word it, should we deny others?
    >>
    >> Moderation in a technical group is one thing, but to moderate a group
    >> whose entire purpose is debate is rather silly, IMHO.
    >>
    >> And remember, it is only because the Trolls/shills/kooks get to let off
    >> steam in COLA that the other Linux groups don't bear the brunt of their
    >> frustration. Housing the Trolls is COLA's unwritten responsibility.
    >>
    >> Personally, I'd love to see the Trolls FOAD in a ditch somewhere, but I
    >> don't own COLA, so it's not up to me, and for the sake of others whom I
    >> don't speak for - I think we should just leave things as they are.

    >
    >
    > I'm with Homer on this one.
    >
    > Personally I like hassling the Trolls, it's the main reason I joined COLA
    > in the first place. It was no different in 1996 when I started *reading*
    > COLA. It's in my nature, I like confrontations.


    But you lose just about every time and still come back for more.
    Weird.
    Very weird.

    > I didn't *dare* write one single post for 12 months when I joined because
    > in those days Alexander Viro was guarding the bridge to COLA and he could
    > deliver such heavy duty kicks to Troll arse, that hardly any Cola Trolls
    > had any arses left...


    Alexander Viro was technically far superior to you Terry Porter.


    > They were just grist for his mill. He chewed them up, spat he them out
    > and laughed heartily afterwards.


    You must have been in a different COLA because that's not exactly how it
    happened.
    Re-writing history again Porter?


    > Anyone is free to start a moderated newsgroup for Linux advocates *only*,
    > but leave the Trolls here on COLA, otherwise they will just pester other
    > Linux newsgroups (more then they do now) just as Homer says.


    Nobody really cares what you do.
    A moderated group will be like putting up an electronic billboard for
    Schestowitz and his drivel.


    > If anyone feels the Troll pressure is too great, just take a holiday for
    > a while, COLA and Linux will survive just fine while you're gone.


    A couple of us so called trolls left COLA a while ago and the Linux drones
    were asking for us to come back because the group had gotten so boring.


    > In any event, Roy S is doing a great job, his news posts are just
    > drowning out the Trolls, and the quality of Linux Advocates here has
    > never been better in my opinion. You Linux advocates just RULE!


    Google proves you wrong.
    The GOOD Linux advocates left after Schestowitz appeared and very little,
    if any, new advocates have joined.
    You know why?

    Take a look at the Google title page for this group.
    With Roy's spewage it looks just like a group that has been spammed with
    Viagra advertisements.
    People take a look, see no discussion taking place, 1000's of posts by one
    person, etc and they move on.

    Google proves this very nicely.

    If Linux use is growing why is COLA Linux advocate numbers shrinking?


    > I think COLA is shiny and in tip top condition.


    It's become a lot more humorous since you arrived, that's for certain.

    > And finally, the Wintrolls won't be here forever because Microsoft won't
    > be here forever. I can't say the same for the Trolls, who in general are
    > an antisocial lot. The Trolls are a blight everywhere.


    We haven't left.
    You left.
    Other Linux advocates have left.
    We are still here after 10+ years.


    > I think we should just leave things as they are, that's my one person
    > vote.
    >
    > Cheers
    > Terry


    I think you guys should start a moderated group.
    You'll be back in COLA within a month because you will bore yourselves to
    death,


    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  4. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:23:05 +0100, Clogwog wrote:

    > Next reply: I run it in Wine,


    Yeah, I do. So? It's better than any Linux newsreader, IMHO.

  5. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    Moshe Goldfarb. had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 02-11-08 12:59:

    >
    >> I think COLA is shiny and in tip top condition.

    >
    > It's become a lot more humorous since you arrived, that's for certain.
    >


    >
    >
    >> I think we should just leave things as they are, that's my one person
    >> vote.
    >>
    >> Cheers
    >> Terry

    >
    > I think you guys should start a moderated group.
    > You'll be back in COLA within a month because you will bore yourselves to
    > death,
    >
    >


    Dear Moshe,

    I do believe that you are right. Terry is good-humoured and enjoys
    irritating the trolls.

    The only problem is that the entertainment value of you and the other
    trolls is not optimal. A bit of humour would be appreciated; it seems
    that humour is not a troll's characteristic.

    Greetings,

    Erik Jan.

  6. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> Tattoo Vampire on Saturday :
    >>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Perhaps it is time to start
    >>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group? Your thoughts?
    >>>
    >>> I think you're right. Assholes like Queeg and Splat make
    >>> it miserable for the real users here.

    >>
    >> I'm in favour. Let's do this. :-)

    >
    > Of course you are in favor of it Spamowitz. Why? Because you
    > will be able to SPAM your nonsense without any rebuttal and it
    > will all show up in Google, which is what your real motive is.
    >
    > Folks, ya'll have created a monster and I can't believe you
    > are this ignorant.


    Oh yeah:

    http://tinyurl.com/6hecfx

    Subject: Re: Roy Schestowitz
    Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:37:41 +0100
    Message-ID: MPG.22710e9e34014f6b9896a3@news.motzarella.org


    > He has software that takes RSS feeds, sorts them, searches for
    > certain phrases, makes comments taken from a database and
    > spits out the stuff to every corner of the Internet.


    Unlike you - a troll with a chip on your shoulder who manually
    creates so much ****e aka anti-Roy spam that no-one, that's
    right, NO-ONE wants to read, that you've single-handedly reduced
    the appeal and effectiveness of a newsgroup.

    Please, go create another group and move to it. If you really
    have a voice someone wants to listen to, you'll get them moving
    over to it.

    You can get treatment for obsessive compulsive disorder you know!
    Speaking of starting groups, this Moshe troll ought to follow the
    poster's advice and find another to rant in.

    --
    HPT
    Quando omni flunkus moritati
    (If all else fails, play dead)
    - "Red" Green

  7. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    Terry's Web Server wrote:
    > Clogwog (Rick Mathers) wrote:
    >> "Tattoo Vampire" schreef...
    >>> Clogwog (Rick Mathers) wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> A minor and easily fixable issue, b.t.w. It shows:
    >>>> Windows user by day, Linux user, windows basher by
    >>>> night!
    >>>
    >>> Hey, dumbass - I posted here a few week ago that my dad
    >>> had sent me a Vista machine he built. Problem?

    >>
    >> Yeah! and my great-great-gran runs maggot-linux distro!,
    >> pretty good cover-up, Don! "40tude Dialog is a feature
    >> loaded, multi-server, multi-threaded *Windows* newsreader
    >> with Unicode character support."

  8. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:08:47 -0700, High Plains Thumper wrote:

    > Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> Tattoo Vampire on Saturday :
    >>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Perhaps it is time to start
    >>>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group? Your thoughts?
    >>>>
    >>>> I think you're right. Assholes like Queeg and Splat make
    >>>> it miserable for the real users here.
    >>>
    >>> I'm in favour. Let's do this. :-)

    >>
    >> Of course you are in favor of it Spamowitz. Why? Because you
    >> will be able to SPAM your nonsense without any rebuttal and it
    >> will all show up in Google, which is what your real motive is.
    >>
    >> Folks, ya'll have created a monster and I can't believe you
    >> are this ignorant.

    >
    > Oh yeah:


    WOOOOOOOOOSH! Right over the Flatfish trolls head at 20,000 ft.

    Roy's so called "spam" (which it *isn't*) is posted in here to drown out
    the whinging, moaning, lying trolls. For that *very* reason, they don't
    like it.
    In a moderated group, we could have proper discussions & debates.
    There wouldn't be any need for Roy to this in there.
    AFAIC Roy could still post his [News] items in here.

    > http://tinyurl.com/6hecfx
    >
    > Subject: Re: Roy Schestowitz
    > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:37:41 +0100
    > Message-ID: MPG.22710e9e34014f6b9896a3@news.motzarella.org
    >
    >

    >> He has software that takes RSS feeds, sorts them, searches for
    >> certain phrases, makes comments taken from a database and
    >> spits out the stuff to every corner of the Internet.

    >
    > Unlike you - a troll with a chip on your shoulder who manually
    > creates so much ****e aka anti-Roy spam that no-one, that's
    > right, NO-ONE wants to read, that you've single-handedly reduced
    > the appeal and effectiveness of a newsgroup.
    >
    > Please, go create another group and move to it. If you really
    > have a voice someone wants to listen to, you'll get them moving
    > over to it.
    >
    > You can get treatment for obsessive compulsive disorder you know!
    >
    >
    > Speaking of starting groups, this Moshe troll ought to follow the
    > poster's advice and find another to rant in.


    Indeed, & he can take his sibling trolls with him to a Windows group.

    --
    Most people are sheep. *
    Microsoft is very effective
    at fleecing the flockers.



  9. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:04:37 +0100, Erik Jan wrote:

    > Moshe Goldfarb. had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 02-11-08 12:59:
    >
    >
    >>> I think COLA is shiny and in tip top condition.

    >>
    >> It's become a lot more humorous since you arrived, that's for certain.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >>
    >>> I think we should just leave things as they are, that's my one person
    >>> vote.
    >>>
    >>> Cheers
    >>> Terry

    >>
    >> I think you guys should start a moderated group. You'll be back in COLA
    >> within a month because you will bore yourselves to death,
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > Dear Moshe,
    >
    > I do believe that you are right. Terry is good-humoured and enjoys
    > irritating the trolls.
    >
    > The only problem is that the entertainment value of you and the other
    > trolls is not optimal. A bit of humour would be appreciated; it seems
    > that humour is not a troll's characteristic.
    >
    > Greetings,
    >
    > Erik Jan.


    Bwahahahahahaahha, gack, spit cough ... ahh I needed that

    Now *that's* a well refined humour indeed!

    Cheers
    Terry



    --
    Linux full time, on the desktop, since August 1997

  10. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    Homer espoused:
    > Verily I say unto thee, that Erik Funkenbusch spake thusly:
    >> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:58:21 -0600, High Plains Thumper wrote:

    >
    >>> A Moderated newsgroup is almost impossible to troll.
    >>>

    >> Yes, you should. It's a great idea. I'll help in any way I can.
    >>
    >> I'm serious.

    >
    > Well if anyone from the Windows side is going to be involved, I think it
    > should be you. You've been around longer than most, and most of the time
    > you're level headed and resist the urge to engage in ad hominem attacks.


    Like his attack on Rex, say? Erik is a digusting character, who has no
    place in this group at all. He has indulged in one of the nastiest ever
    attacks on our on-topic crowd, and continues to push his off-topic,
    anti-charter material any opportunity he can.

    > Your loyalties may be abhorrent to me, and your debating methods dubious
    > at best, but in all fairness I don't think that's really relevant to the
    > proposition. For some instinctive reason that I can't fathom I think I'd
    > actually trust you to act responsibly as a co-moderator of COLA.mod.
    >
    > OK, it's a reluctant endorsement, but that's all I got for now.
    >
    > My only reservation is: I really don't think COLA should be moderated at
    > all, for the reasons stated in my previous post, but if it /does/ happen
    > then I have no serious objection to your involvement. I certainly do not
    > envy you your task.
    >


    I have a massive objection to his involvement *now*, let alone in a
    moderated group. He should not be here.

    --
    | mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk |
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  11. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    William Poaster espoused:
    > On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:08:47 -0700, High Plains Thumper wrote:
    >
    >> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Tattoo Vampire on Saturday :
    >>>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Perhaps it is time to start
    >>>>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group? Your thoughts?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I think you're right. Assholes like Queeg and Splat make
    >>>>> it miserable for the real users here.
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm in favour. Let's do this. :-)
    >>>
    >>> Of course you are in favor of it Spamowitz. Why? Because you
    >>> will be able to SPAM your nonsense without any rebuttal and it
    >>> will all show up in Google, which is what your real motive is.
    >>>
    >>> Folks, ya'll have created a monster and I can't believe you
    >>> are this ignorant.

    >>
    >> Oh yeah:

    >
    > WOOOOOOOOOSH! Right over the Flatfish trolls head at 20,000 ft.
    >
    > Roy's so called "spam" (which it *isn't*) is posted in here to drown out
    > the whinging, moaning, lying trolls. For that *very* reason, they don't
    > like it.
    > In a moderated group, we could have proper discussions & debates.
    > There wouldn't be any need for Roy to this in there.
    > AFAIC Roy could still post his [News] items in here.


    You can't be spamming if you're posting on-topic.

    >
    >> http://tinyurl.com/6hecfx
    >>
    >> Subject: Re: Roy Schestowitz
    >> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:37:41 +0100
    >> Message-ID: MPG.22710e9e34014f6b9896a3@news.motzarella.org
    >>
    >>

    >>> He has software that takes RSS feeds, sorts them, searches for
    >>> certain phrases, makes comments taken from a database and
    >>> spits out the stuff to every corner of the Internet.

    >>
    >> Unlike you - a troll with a chip on your shoulder who manually
    >> creates so much ****e aka anti-Roy spam that no-one, that's
    >> right, NO-ONE wants to read, that you've single-handedly reduced
    >> the appeal and effectiveness of a newsgroup.
    >>
    >> Please, go create another group and move to it. If you really
    >> have a voice someone wants to listen to, you'll get them moving
    >> over to it.
    >>
    >> You can get treatment for obsessive compulsive disorder you know!
    >>
    >>
    >> Speaking of starting groups, this Moshe troll ought to follow the
    >> poster's advice and find another to rant in.

    >
    > Indeed, & he can take his sibling trolls with him to a Windows group.
    >


    A moderated group would have major advantages. Aside from anything
    else, it would put a stop to the nym-shifting of our friend Gary
    Stewart, as he wouldn't be able to post.

    The issue we'd get, though, is that they (the trolls, like Erik, Timmy,
    Gary, Bill Weisg. etc.) would choose a new nym, be reasonable for a long
    long time, and then would start the same old low-level trolling, indeed,
    might well attempt to get the on-topic, pro-charter folk banned.

    I don't think it's possible to overestimate how low these people will go
    - you only have to look at Erik's attack on Rex as an example of one of
    the most appalling attacks I've ever seen.

    --
    | mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk |
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  12. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    Terry Porter espoused:
    > On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:04:37 +0100, Erik Jan wrote:
    >
    >> Moshe Goldfarb. had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 02-11-08 12:59:
    >>
    >>
    >>>> I think COLA is shiny and in tip top condition.
    >>>
    >>> It's become a lot more humorous since you arrived, that's for certain.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>>
    >>>> I think we should just leave things as they are, that's my one person
    >>>> vote.
    >>>>
    >>>> Cheers
    >>>> Terry
    >>>
    >>> I think you guys should start a moderated group. You'll be back in COLA
    >>> within a month because you will bore yourselves to death,
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >> Dear Moshe,
    >>
    >> I do believe that you are right. Terry is good-humoured and enjoys
    >> irritating the trolls.
    >>
    >> The only problem is that the entertainment value of you and the other
    >> trolls is not optimal. A bit of humour would be appreciated; it seems
    >> that humour is not a troll's characteristic.
    >>
    >> Greetings,
    >>
    >> Erik Jan.

    >
    > Bwahahahahahaahha, gack, spit cough ... ahh I needed that
    >
    > Now *that's* a well refined humour indeed!
    >
    > Cheers
    > Terry
    >
    >


    Yeah, but no Erik. Not after his years and years of trolling and
    appalling attacks on Rex. No Erik, not ever.

    --
    | mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk |
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  13. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    Homer espoused:
    > Verily I say unto thee, that Sinister Midget spake thusly:
    >> On 2008-11-01, Chris Ahlstrom claimed:

    >
    >>> Ye gods. The cola.moderated moderator would need psychiatric help
    >>> after trying to filter out the filth!

    >>
    >> Why not simply filter? Is there anybody here who can't? Are there
    >> people here who are married to a newsreader that can't handle
    >> deleting users who annoy them?

    >
    > Exactly.
    >
    > Individuals filtering a group is one thing, since they can apply broad
    > filtering to kill entire Troll havens like Motzarella, etc., but for a
    > moderator to do the same thing would be irresponsible, so he'd have to
    > kill the nym-shifters one at a time, which on COLA would probably need
    > a whole team of moderators working round the clock.
    >
    > I'll pass.
    >


    In which case, you end up with something mailing-list like, where you
    subscribe, can post, and then get removed from subscription if you do
    not abide by the rules.

    --
    | mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk |
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  14. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    Verily I say unto thee, that Mark Kent spake thusly:
    > Homer espoused:
    >> Verily I say unto thee, that Erik Funkenbusch spake thusly:
    >>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:58:21 -0600, High Plains Thumper wrote:


    >>>> A Moderated newsgroup is almost impossible to troll.
    >>>>
    >>> Yes, you should. It's a great idea. I'll help in any way I can.
    >>>
    >>> I'm serious.

    >>
    >> Well if anyone from the Windows side is going to be involved, I
    >> think it should be you. You've been around longer than most, and
    >> most of the time you're level headed and resist the urge to engage
    >> in ad hominem attacks.

    >
    > Like his attack on Rex, say? Erik is a digusting character, who has
    > no place in this group at all. He has indulged in one of the
    > nastiest ever attacks on our on-topic crowd, and continues to push
    > his off-topic, anti-charter material any opportunity he can.


    You're right, I forgot about that one.

    I've also just remembered the one where he suggested that giving laptops
    to African children would be dangerous, because it'd breed a whole new
    generation of 419'ers.

    --
    K.
    http://slated.org

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    | the most practical one. That point of view lasted for maybe two
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  15. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:40:38 +0000, Mark Kent wrote:

    > William Poaster espoused:
    >> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:08:47 -0700, High Plains Thumper wrote:
    >>
    >>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Tattoo Vampire on Saturday :
    >>>>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Perhaps it is time to start
    >>>>>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group? Your thoughts?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I think you're right. Assholes like Queeg and Splat make
    >>>>>> it miserable for the real users here.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I'm in favour. Let's do this. :-)
    >>>>
    >>>> Of course you are in favor of it Spamowitz. Why? Because you
    >>>> will be able to SPAM your nonsense without any rebuttal and it
    >>>> will all show up in Google, which is what your real motive is.
    >>>>
    >>>> Folks, ya'll have created a monster and I can't believe you
    >>>> are this ignorant.
    >>>
    >>> Oh yeah:

    >>
    >> WOOOOOOOOOSH! Right over the Flatfish trolls head at 20,000 ft.
    >>
    >> Roy's so called "spam" (which it *isn't*) is posted in here to drown out
    >> the whinging, moaning, lying trolls. For that *very* reason, they don't
    >> like it.
    >> In a moderated group, we could have proper discussions & debates.
    >> There wouldn't be any need for Roy to this in there.
    >> AFAIC Roy could still post his [News] items in here.

    >
    > You can't be spamming if you're posting on-topic.
    >
    >>
    >>> http://tinyurl.com/6hecfx
    >>>
    >>> Subject: Re: Roy Schestowitz
    >>> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:37:41 +0100
    >>> Message-ID: MPG.22710e9e34014f6b9896a3@news.motzarella.org
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> He has software that takes RSS feeds, sorts them, searches for
    >>>> certain phrases, makes comments taken from a database and
    >>>> spits out the stuff to every corner of the Internet.
    >>>
    >>> Unlike you - a troll with a chip on your shoulder who manually
    >>> creates so much ****e aka anti-Roy spam that no-one, that's
    >>> right, NO-ONE wants to read, that you've single-handedly reduced
    >>> the appeal and effectiveness of a newsgroup.
    >>>
    >>> Please, go create another group and move to it. If you really
    >>> have a voice someone wants to listen to, you'll get them moving
    >>> over to it.
    >>>
    >>> You can get treatment for obsessive compulsive disorder you know!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Speaking of starting groups, this Moshe troll ought to follow the
    >>> poster's advice and find another to rant in.

    >>
    >> Indeed, & he can take his sibling trolls with him to a Windows group.
    >>

    >
    > A moderated group would have major advantages. Aside from anything
    > else, it would put a stop to the nym-shifting of our friend Gary
    > Stewart, as he wouldn't be able to post.
    >
    > The issue we'd get, though, is that they (the trolls, like Erik, Timmy,
    > Gary, Bill Weisg. etc.) would choose a new nym, be reasonable for a long
    > long time, and then would start the same old low-level trolling, indeed,
    > might well attempt to get the on-topic, pro-charter folk banned.
    >
    > I don't think it's possible to overestimate how low these people will go
    > - you only have to look at Erik's attack on Rex as an example of one of
    > the most appalling attacks I've ever seen.


    AFAIC Erik FUDdenbusch shouldn't even *be* in this group, let alone a
    moderated one. He's a Wintroll/astroturfer & all-round nasty POS.
    I believe *any* of them (that you've named) will stoop to the lowest
    depths possible if it suits *their*, & their masters, efforts to discredit
    Linux & Linux advocates.

    --
    Most people are sheep. *
    Microsoft is very effective
    at fleecing the flockers.



  16. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:41:43 +0000, Mark Kent wrote:

    > Terry Porter espoused:
    >> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:04:37 +0100, Erik Jan wrote:



    >>> Dear Moshe,
    >>>
    >>> I do believe that you are right. Terry is good-humoured and enjoys
    >>> irritating the trolls.
    >>>
    >>> The only problem is that the entertainment value of you and the other
    >>> trolls is not optimal. A bit of humour would be appreciated; it seems
    >>> that humour is not a troll's characteristic.
    >>>
    >>> Greetings,
    >>>
    >>> Erik Jan.

    >>
    >> Bwahahahahahaahha, gack, spit cough ... ahh I needed that
    >>
    >> Now *that's* a well refined humour indeed!
    >>
    >> Cheers
    >> Terry
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > Yeah, but no Erik. Not after his years and years of trolling and
    > appalling attacks on Rex.


    I agree, Erik Funkenbusch is A Wintroll, and has been a consistent
    Wintroll year after year on COLA. Erik is specious in everything he
    writes about Linux.

    Erik is also quite clueless about Linux, which is amazing considering the
    years he has been FUDDing it.

    > No Erik, not ever.


    I agree, Erik posts here against the COLA charter, and contributes
    nothing. I didn't see his attack on Rex, and naturally take your word for
    it.

    Anyone who attacks Rex Ballard is beneath contempt.

    I think Erik is a paid Wintroll, perhaps a group of Fudders working at or
    for, you know where.


    .................................................. ....................
    Your Microsoft needs a few bad men, are you up to it ?, the worst of the
    worst ?
    Apply to Erik Funkenbush, C/O COLA.
    .................................................. ....................






    --
    Linux full time, on the desktop, since August 1997

  17. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

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    > Verily I say unto thee, that Mark Kent spake thusly:
    >> Homer espoused:
    >>> Verily I say unto thee, that Erik Funkenbusch spake thusly:
    >>>> On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:58:21 -0600, High Plains Thumper wrote:

    >
    >>>>> A Moderated newsgroup is almost impossible to troll.
    >>>>>
    >>>> Yes, you should. It's a great idea. I'll help in any way I can.
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm serious.
    >>>
    >>> Well if anyone from the Windows side is going to be involved, I
    >>> think it should be you. You've been around longer than most, and
    >>> most of the time you're level headed and resist the urge to engage
    >>> in ad hominem attacks.

    >>
    >> Like his attack on Rex, say? Erik is a digusting character, who has
    >> no place in this group at all. He has indulged in one of the
    >> nastiest ever attacks on our on-topic crowd, and continues to push
    >> his off-topic, anti-charter material any opportunity he can.

    >
    > You're right, I forgot about that one.
    >
    > I've also just remembered the one where he suggested that giving laptops
    > to African children would be dangerous, because it'd breed a whole new
    > generation of 419'ers.


    He also attacked me and harassed an artist in attempt to have me sued.

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  18. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    In article <1394777.HJKG2l06hS@schestowitz.com>,
    Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    > He also attacked me and harassed an artist in attempt to have me sued.


    Nice fantasy. The reality is you ripped off an artist, refused to stop
    ripping the artist off when it was pointed out to you (on the assumption
    it may have been an accident). He then told the artist about it.

    --
    --Tim Smith

  19. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:43:58 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

    > He also attacked me and harassed an artist in attempt to have me sued.


    You violated copyright law. I asked the author if you had permission to
    copy his work, the author said no and asked ME for more information. I did
    not harass him, that's your fantasy because you got caught stealing someone
    elses work.

    Why else were you ultimately forced to remove it?

  20. Re: Perhaps it is time to start a moderated group?

    High Plains Thumper wrote:

    > Perhaps it is time to start comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated
    > group? ┬*Your thoughts?


    We had to do that a couple years ago on a group that I've been a member of
    for about eight years now. In that case it was one troll, who crossposted
    to his personal newsgroup and to many others, including ours. It had become
    almost impossible to see any on topic posts. After going through the
    procedure of becoming moderated, we decided the only moderation we wanted
    to do was to shut down crossposting. We immediately had a usable newsgroup
    again. If a comp.os.linux.adovocacy.moderated group gets started I would
    use as little moderation as possible -- even shutting down crossposting
    would get rid of a lot of trolls who are purposely trying to get Windows
    and Linux at each other's throats.

    --
    RonB
    "There's a story there...somewhere"

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