Homer wrote:

> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or pro-Microsoft
> threads will be dropped, depending on their severity, and
> hence not included in the stats, which are provided by me as a
> measure of advocacy, not as a means of spreading the Trolls'
> lies and malice even further.

Just think Homer, if we had a comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated
group, you would not have to produce toll free stats. The trolls
would be moderated out. :-)

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Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Homer wrote:
>
>> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or pro-Microsoft
>> threads will be dropped, depending on their severity, and hence not
>> included in the stats, which are provided by me as a
>> measure of advocacy, not as a means of spreading the Trolls'
>> lies and malice even further.
>
> Just think Homer, if we had a comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group,
> you would not have to produce toll free stats. The trolls would be
> moderated out. :-)
>

You like pissing in the wind, huh?

High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Homer wrote:
>
>> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or pro-Microsoft
>> threads will be dropped, depending on their severity, and
>> hence not included in the stats, which are provided by me as a
>> measure of advocacy, not as a means of spreading the Trolls'
>> lies and malice even further.
>
> Just think Homer, if we had a comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated
> group, you would not have to produce toll free stats. The trolls
> would be moderated out. :-)

So would all the reality and truth.

Verily I say unto thee, that High Plains Thumper spake thusly:
> Homer wrote:

>> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or pro-Microsoft
>> threads will be dropped, depending on their severity, and hence not
>> included in the stats, which are provided by me as a measure of
>> advocacy, not as a means of spreading the Trolls' lies and malice
>> even further.
>
> Just think Homer, if we had a comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group,
> you would not have to produce toll free stats. The trolls would be
> moderated out. :-)

I'm not naive enough to think that a group like COLA won't attract
Trolls, especially given Microsoft's documented intentions in that
regard ("Evangelism is War!"). And as others have pointed out COLA
is more like a bar than some private club ("Is this the right room
for an argument?"), which serves as a honey pot to attract all the
kooks and shills that would otherwise infest other Linux groups.

That doesn't mean I have to read any of their putrid garbage tho',
and it certainly doesn't mean I have to propagate it in the stats.

As I've said before, I would no more consider including the Trolls
crap in the stats than any other spam. It's not advocacy. Period.

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Clogwog (Rick Mathers) wrote:
> "High Plains Thumper" schreef...
>> Homer wrote:
>>
>>> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or
>>> pro-Microsoft threads will be dropped, depending on their
>>> severity, and hence not included in the stats, which are
>>> provided by me as a measure of advocacy, not as a means of
>>> spreading the Trolls' lies and malice even further.
>>
>> Just think Homer, if we had a
>> comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group, you would not have
>> to produce t[r]oll free stats. The trolls would be
>> moderated out. :-)
>
> It will [knip laméverontschuldiging voor een sleeplijn]

Ah, I can already feel the peace and rest a moderated group would
provide. Marty and Richard, do you not agree? :-)

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Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

Homer wrote:
> Verily I say unto thee, that High Plains Thumper spake thusly:
>
>> Homer wrote:
>
>>> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or
>>> pro-Microsoft threads will be dropped, depending on their
>>> severity, and hence not included in the stats, which are
>>> provided by me as a measure of advocacy, not as a means of
>>> spreading the Trolls' lies and malice even further.
>>
>> Just think Homer, if we had a
>> comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group, you would not have
>> to produce t[r]oll free stats. The trolls would be
>> moderated out. :-)
>
> I'm not naive enough to think that a group like COLA[M] won't
> attract Trolls, especially given Microsoft's documented
> intentions in that regard ("Evangelism is War!"). And as
> others have pointed out COLA is more like a bar than some
> private club ("Is this the right room for an argument?"),
> which serves as a honey pot to attract all the kooks and
> shills that would otherwise infest other Linux groups.
>
> That doesn't mean I have to read any of their putrid garbage
> tho', and it certainly doesn't mean I have to propagate it in
> the stats.
>
> As I've said before, I would no more consider including the
> Trolls crap in the stats than any other spam. It's not
> advocacy. Period.

Homer, of course it isn't. However, I have seen enough of:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

7.1 Disinformation

If COLA were a physical location like a building where those
who would advocate the growth of the Linux operating systems and
the Linux community gather, the anti-Linux propagandists would be
raiding that building. They would be vandalizing the building,
painting graffiti on the walls, defecating and urinating on the
floors and furniture, breaking down the doors, setting fire to
the building and physically assaulting the resident Linux
advocates and the visitors who happen to be in the building at
the time of the raid.

COLA is not a physical location, so they have had to adapt
their methods so that they can do an on-line version of what was
described in the prior paragraph. A key method used by anti-Linux
propagandist to attack Linux, its users, sysadmins, developers,
advocates and those who have come to COLA to lean about Linux. is
a form of propaganda known as disinformation. One of their
favorite version of disinformation is known as FUD.

I have seen it all in this group. The writer of this section in
the FAQ hit the nail on the head of all the anti-Linux advocacy I
have seen here.

As far as bars go, this is more of a Blue Spruce Lizard Lounge in
the dingiest part of the city than it is a Cheers [tm] TV show bar.

--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

DFS wrote:

> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Homer wrote:
>>
>>> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or pro-Microsoft
>>> threads will be dropped, depending on their severity, and
>>> hence not included in the stats, which are provided by me as a
>>> measure of advocacy, not as a means of spreading the Trolls'
>>> lies and malice even further.
>>
>> Just think Homer, if we had a comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated
>> group, you would not have to produce toll free stats. The trolls
>> would be moderated out. :-)
>
> So would all the reality and truth.

If you are moderated out (mo matter which group) reality, honesty and truth
would rise several notches
--
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"Peter Köhlmann" stated in post
490ce832$0$31330$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net on 11/1/08 4:37 PM:

> DFS wrote:
>
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>> Homer wrote:
>>>
>>>> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or pro-Microsoft
>>>> threads will be dropped, depending on their severity, and
>>>> hence not included in the stats, which are provided by me as a
>>>> measure of advocacy, not as a means of spreading the Trolls'
>>>> lies and malice even further.
>>>
>>> Just think Homer, if we had a comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated
>>> group, you would not have to produce toll free stats. The trolls
>>> would be moderated out. :-)
>>
>> So would all the reality and truth.
>
> If you are moderated out (mo matter which group) reality, honesty and truth
> would rise several notches

You are applying rules that are true for you to others. Interesting.


--
One who makes no mistakes, never makes anything.

After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter Köhlmann belched out
this bit o' wisdom:

> DFS wrote:
>
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>> Homer wrote:
>>>
>>>> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or pro-Microsoft
>>>> threads will be dropped, depending on their severity, and
>>>> hence not included in the stats, which are provided by me as a
>>>> measure of advocacy, not as a means of spreading the Trolls'
>>>> lies and malice even further.
>>>
>>> Just think Homer, if we had a comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated
>>> group, you would not have to produce toll free stats. The trolls
>>> would be moderated out. :-)
>>
>> So would all the reality and truth.
>
> If you are moderated out (mo matter which group) reality, honesty and truth
> would rise several notches

And the effect would be even greater because we'd not be wasting our time
and energy getting pissed off at these raving idiots, and thus giving them
the angry rash responses they so egg us on to give.

--
I owe the government $3400 in taxes. So I sent them two hammers and a
toilet seat.
-- Michael McShane

Chris Ahlstrom espoused:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter Köhlmann belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>> Homer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or pro-Microsoft
>>>>> threads will be dropped, depending on their severity, and
>>>>> hence not included in the stats, which are provided by me as a
>>>>> measure of advocacy, not as a means of spreading the Trolls'
>>>>> lies and malice even further.
>>>>
>>>> Just think Homer, if we had a comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated
>>>> group, you would not have to produce toll free stats. The trolls
>>>> would be moderated out. :-)
>>>
>>> So would all the reality and truth.
>>
>> If you are moderated out (mo matter which group) reality, honesty and truth
>> would rise several notches
>
> And the effect would be even greater because we'd not be wasting our time
> and energy getting pissed off at these raving idiots, and thus giving them
> the angry rash responses they so egg us on to give.
>

It's a very high-traffic group - who would moderate it?

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| Cola trolls: http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/ |
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High Plains Thumper espoused:
> Homer wrote:
>> Verily I say unto thee, that High Plains Thumper spake thusly:
>>
>>> Homer wrote:
>>
>>>> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or
>>>> pro-Microsoft threads will be dropped, depending on their
>>>> severity, and hence not included in the stats, which are
>>>> provided by me as a measure of advocacy, not as a means of
>>>> spreading the Trolls' lies and malice even further.
>>>
>>> Just think Homer, if we had a
>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group, you would not have
>>> to produce t[r]oll free stats. The trolls would be
>>> moderated out. :-)
>>
>> I'm not naive enough to think that a group like COLA[M] won't
>> attract Trolls, especially given Microsoft's documented
>> intentions in that regard ("Evangelism is War!"). And as
>> others have pointed out COLA is more like a bar than some
>> private club ("Is this the right room for an argument?"),
>> which serves as a honey pot to attract all the kooks and
>> shills that would otherwise infest other Linux groups.
>>
>> That doesn't mean I have to read any of their putrid garbage
>> tho', and it certainly doesn't mean I have to propagate it in
>> the stats.
>>
>> As I've said before, I would no more consider including the
>> Trolls crap in the stats than any other spam. It's not
>> advocacy. Period.
>
> Homer, of course it isn't. However, I have seen enough of:
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>
> [quote]
> 7.1 Disinformation
>



The argument that cola protects the rest of the internet is fine in
principle, but quite clearly, it doesn't work. Take a look at digg,
slashdot, linux today, etc. etc. They're all infested with the same
trolls which operate here, or variations thereof.

We're dealing here with people with no morals, sociopathic people.
Erik, Timmy, Bill Weisg, Gary Stewart etc. etc. have never had any
intention of abiding by this group's charter and/or FAQ. This is what
sociopaths do... they will do this whether cola exists or not, because
it's in their nature to be so.

--
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| Cola faq: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/ |
| Cola trolls: http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/ |
| Open platforms prevent vendor lock-in. Own your Own services! |

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> High Plains Thumper espoused:
>> Homer wrote:
>>> Verily I say unto thee, that High Plains Thumper spake thusly:
>>>
>>>> Homer wrote:
>>>
>>>>> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or
>>>>> pro-Microsoft threads will be dropped, depending on their
>>>>> severity, and hence not included in the stats, which are
>>>>> provided by me as a measure of advocacy, not as a means of
>>>>> spreading the Trolls' lies and malice even further.
>>>>
>>>> Just think Homer, if we had a
>>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group, you would not have
>>>> to produce t[r]oll free stats. The trolls would be
>>>> moderated out. :-)
>>>
>>> I'm not naive enough to think that a group like COLA[M] won't
>>> attract Trolls, especially given Microsoft's documented
>>> intentions in that regard ("Evangelism is War!"). And as
>>> others have pointed out COLA is more like a bar than some
>>> private club ("Is this the right room for an argument?"),
>>> which serves as a honey pot to attract all the kooks and
>>> shills that would otherwise infest other Linux groups.
>>>
>>> That doesn't mean I have to read any of their putrid garbage
>>> tho', and it certainly doesn't mean I have to propagate it in
>>> the stats.
>>>
>>> As I've said before, I would no more consider including the
>>> Trolls crap in the stats than any other spam. It's not
>>> advocacy. Period.
>>
>> Homer, of course it isn't. However, I have seen enough of:
>>
>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>
>> [quote]
>> 7.1 Disinformation
>>
>
>
>
> The argument that cola protects the rest of the internet is fine in
> principle, but quite clearly, it doesn't work. Take a look at digg,
> slashdot, linux today, etc. etc. They're all infested with the same
> trolls which operate here, or variations thereof.
>
> We're dealing here with people with no morals, sociopathic people.
> Erik, Timmy, Bill Weisg, Gary Stewart etc. etc. have never had any
> intention of abiding by this group's charter and/or FAQ. This is what
> sociopaths do... they will do this whether cola exists or not, because
> it's in their nature to be so.

If they get ejected from COLA, they'll harass other sites/forums (they already
do this). Wasn't COLA created to keep those creatures away from technical NGs?

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> ____/ Mark Kent on Wednesday 05 November 2008 09:47 : \____
>
>> High Plains Thumper espoused:
>>> Homer wrote:
>>>> Verily I say unto thee, that High Plains Thumper spake thusly:
>>>>
>>>>> Homer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> [1]: Certain off-charter, abusive, anti-Linux or
>>>>>> pro-Microsoft threads will be dropped, depending on their
>>>>>> severity, and hence not included in the stats, which are
>>>>>> provided by me as a measure of advocacy, not as a means of
>>>>>> spreading the Trolls' lies and malice even further.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just think Homer, if we had a
>>>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group, you would not have
>>>>> to produce t[r]oll free stats. The trolls would be
>>>>> moderated out. :-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not naive enough to think that a group like COLA[M] won't
>>>> attract Trolls, especially given Microsoft's documented
>>>> intentions in that regard ("Evangelism is War!"). And as
>>>> others have pointed out COLA is more like a bar than some
>>>> private club ("Is this the right room for an argument?"),
>>>> which serves as a honey pot to attract all the kooks and
>>>> shills that would otherwise infest other Linux groups.
>>>>
>>>> That doesn't mean I have to read any of their putrid garbage
>>>> tho', and it certainly doesn't mean I have to propagate it in
>>>> the stats.
>>>>
>>>> As I've said before, I would no more consider including the
>>>> Trolls crap in the stats than any other spam. It's not
>>>> advocacy. Period.
>>>
>>> Homer, of course it isn't. However, I have seen enough of:
>>>
>>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>>
>>> [quote]
>>> 7.1 Disinformation
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The argument that cola protects the rest of the internet is fine in
>> principle, but quite clearly, it doesn't work. Take a look at digg,
>> slashdot, linux today, etc. etc. They're all infested with the same
>> trolls which operate here, or variations thereof.
>>
>> We're dealing here with people with no morals, sociopathic people.
>> Erik, Timmy, Bill Weisg, Gary Stewart etc. etc. have never had any
>> intention of abiding by this group's charter and/or FAQ. This is what
>> sociopaths do... they will do this whether cola exists or not, because
>> it's in their nature to be so.
>
> If they get ejected from COLA, they'll harass other sites/forums (they already
> do this). Wasn't COLA created to keep those creatures away from technical NGs?

As Mark pointed out, they're *already* doing this.
Smith, Quack, Flatfish & others are, or have been, *already* posting (or
crossposting into) in tech groups (Ubuntu for one). So in some respects,
COLA ain't working...
Flatfish used his usual MO, too. All nice & friendly, then the usual crap
began to creep in. Many quickly binned him.

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Microsoft is very effective
at fleecing the flockers.