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  1. Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    I finally got tired of my printer going out to lunch, not printing
    correctly, not showing up at all and other problems and decided to
    troubleshoot it from the start.
    For some reason I'm now able to delete it from the print manager, which
    wasn;t the case yesterday as the delete option was greyed out.

    Maybe the slew of updates that came down today, reboot required BTW, and
    some security updates as well, fixed that problem I don't know.

    So I delete the printer completely along with the queue.

    I did some research and finally found the solution.
    As it turns out the driver included with Ubuntu, Mandrake Suse and a few
    other versions of Linux DOES NOT WORK CORRECTLY....

    So here is what I had to do to make this work under Ubuntu and mind you all
    I did with Windows was plug the printer in and it found the driver on the
    CD.
    Oh yea, there is a Linux driver on the CD but the install doesn't work
    correctly as it seems geared for Redhat.

    Anyway here it is:


    NSTALLATION
    ------------
    Unpack:
    $ wget -O foo2zjs.tar.gz http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/foo2zjs.tar.gz
    $ tar zxf foo2zjs.tar.gz
    $ cd foo2zjs

    (Optional) Uninstall:
    $ su OR $ sudo make uninstall
    # make uninstall

    Compile:
    $ make

    Get extra files from the web, such as .ICM profiles (for color correction)
    and firmware. Select the model number for your printer:
    $ ./getweb 2600n # Get HP Color LaserJet 2600n .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 1600 # Get HP Color LaserJet 1600 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 1500 # Get HP Color LaserJet 1500 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 1215 # Get HP Color LaserJet CP1215 .ICM files

    $ ./getweb 2530 # Get Konica Minolta magicolor 2530 DL .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 2490 # Get Konica Minolta magicolor 2490 MF .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 2480 # Get Konica Minolta magicolor 2480 MF .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 6115 # Get Xerox Phaser 6115MFP .ICM files

    $ ./getweb 2430 # Get Konica Minolta magicolor 2430 DL .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 2300 # Get Minolta/QMS magicolor 2300 DL .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 2200 # Get Minolta/QMS magicolor 2200 DL .ICM files
    $ ./getweb cpwl # Get Minolta Color PageWorks/Pro L .ICM files

    $ ./getweb 300 # Get Samsung CLP-300 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 315 # Get Samsung CLP-315 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 600 # Get Samsung CLP-600 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 610 # Get Samsung CLP-610 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 2160 # Get Samsung CLX-2160 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 3160 # Get Samsung CLX-3160 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 6110 # Get Xerox Phaser 6110 and 6110MFP .ICM files

    $ ./getweb 500 # Get Lexmark C500 .ICM files

    $ ./getweb 3200 # Get Oki C3200 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 3300 # Get Oki C3300 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 3400 # Get Oki C3400 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 3530 # Get Oki C3530 MFP .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 5100 # Get Oki C5100 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 5200 # Get Oki C5200 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 5500 # Get Oki C5500 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 5600 # Get Oki C5600 .ICM files
    $ ./getweb 5800 # Get Oki C5800 .ICM files

    $ ./getweb 1020 # Get HP LaserJet 1020 firmware file
    $ ./getweb 1018 # Get HP LaserJet 1018 firmware file
    $ ./getweb 1005 # Get HP LaserJet 1005 firmware file
    $ ./getweb 1000 # Get HP LaserJet 1000 firmware file

    $ ./getweb P1505 # Get HP LaserJet P1505 firmware file
    $ ./getweb P1008 # Get HP LaserJet P1008 firmware file
    $ ./getweb P1007 # Get HP LaserJet P1007 firmware file
    $ ./getweb P1006 # Get HP LaserJet P1006 firmware file
    $ ./getweb P1005 # Get HP LaserJet P1005 firmware file

    Install driver, foomatic XML files, PPD files, and extra files:
    $ su OR $ sudo make install
    # make install

    (Optional) Install hotplug (for HP LJ
    1000/1005/1018/1020/P1005/P1006/P1505):
    $ su OR $ sudo make install-hotplug
    # make install-hotplug

    Unplug and re-plug the USB printer

    If you use CUPS to manage your printers, you must restart cupsd:
    # make cups OR $ sudo make cups

    Test operation of programs. Skip this if you don't have the exact same
    version of Ghostscript that I have, ghostscript 8.60 (2007-08-01), because
    it will not pass since different versions of Ghostscript generate different
    raster images:
    # make test

    Create printers (Fedora 6/7/8/9 and Ubuntu 7.10/8.x):
    # system-config-printer

    Create printers (Redhat 7.2/7.3/8.0/9.0, Fedora Core 1-5):
    # printconf-gui

    Create printers (Mandrake/Manrivia)
    # printerdrake

    Create printers (openSUSE 10.x/11.x)
    # yast2 printer

    Create printers (Ubuntu 5.10/6.06/6.10/7.04)
    $ sudo gnome-cups-manager
    $ sudo make cups # Ubuntu has a bug in gnome-cups-manager

    NOTE: to edit a queue hit "Properties" (click right mouse button).

    Create printers (Debian)
    Connect with a web browser to:
    http://localhost:631
    And configure printer (HP example shown) to:
    HP LaserJet 2600n, Foomatic + foo2zjs (en)
    Then edit "Manage Printers->Configure Printer" to suit you,
    such as "Page Size" or "Color Mode".

    Create printers (Solaris 11+)
    # printmgr

    Create at least one queue for monochrome, and another queue
    for color printing. Create the queues, then edit them and
    set the "device options" as desired.

    For a networked Minolta/QMS 2300 DL, I used a "Queue Type"
    of "Unix Printer (LPD)", and set the "Server" to the IP address
    of the printer, and the "Queue" to "lp".

    For a networked HP Color Laserjet 2600n, I used a "Queue Type"
    of "Networked JetDirect", and set the "Printer" to the IP address
    of the printer, and the "Port" to "9100".

    GHOSTSCRIPT BUGS
    ----------------
    * Well Tempered Screening (WTS) works with ghostscript 8.54 thru 8.62+.
    So if you want BEST COLORS, you'll have to install gs 8.54 or better
    if you don't have it.

    $ gs --version
    8.15.2

    $ wget
    "http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/ghost/GPL/gs862/ghostscript-8.62.tar.gz"
    $ tar zxf ghostscript-8.62.tar.gz
    $ cd ghostscript-8.62
    $ ./autogen.sh
    $ make
    $ su OR $ sudo cp bin/gs /usr/bin/gs.foo
    # cp bin/gs /usr/bin/gs.foo

    (Optional)
    # make install OR $ sudo make install

    $ gs.foo --version
    8.62


    * Ghostscript before 8.55 has a problem with ICM files and 64-bit gcc.
    It causes a segfault with km2430_2.icm. So don't select that one.


    UBUNTU NOTES
    ------------
    Install build-essential FIRST:
    $ sudo apt-get install build-essential
    $ wget -O foo2zjs.tar.gz http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/foo2zjs.tar.gz
    $ tar zxf foo2zjs.tar.gz
    $ cd foo2zjs
    $ sudo make uninstall
    $ make
    $ ./getweb 1020
    OR other printer
    $ sudo make install install-hotplug cups

    For 7.10 and later users:
    $ sudo system-config-printer

    For 5.10/6.06/6.10/7.04 users:
    $ sudo gnome-cups-manager
    [configure ColorMode = Color if a color printer]
    $ sudo make cups

    Ubuntu has a bug in gnome-cups-manager with Color, so you must
    restart cups. No other distro has this bug.

    If that doesn't work, then fire up:
    $ firefox http://localhost:631

    And click on:
    Printers -> Set Printer Options -> Color Mode -> Color
    Then click on:
    Set Printer Options

    DEBIAN NOTES
    ------------
    Install build-essential, foomatic-filters, cupsys FIRST:
    $ su
    # apt-get install build-essential
    # apt-get install foomatic-filters
    # apt-get install cupsys

    $ wget -O foo2zjs.tar.gz http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/foo2zjs.tar.gz
    $ tar zxf foo2zjs.tar.gz
    $ cd foo2zjs
    $ make
    $ ./getweb 1020
    OR other printer
    $ su
    # make install install-hotplug cups

    $ firefox http://localhost:631

    OPENSUSE 10.3 NOTES
    -------------------
    Do this:

    # zypper sa \
    http://download.opensuse.org/reposit...openSUSE_10.3/ \
    Printing
    # zypper up -r Printing -t package

    Then install using the above instructions.

    ASUS EEE PC NOTES
    -----------------

    It is a version of Xandros. First:

    Get a shell by typing ctrl-alt-T
    $ sudo su -
    # vi or kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
    add the following line:
    deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
    # apt-get -f install
    # apt-get install wget
    # apt-get install build-essential


    $ wget -O foo2zjs.tar.gz http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/foo2zjs.tar.gz
    $ tar zxf foo2zjs.tar.gz
    $ cd foo2zjs
    $ make
    $ ./getweb 1020
    OR other printer, e.g. 2600n
    $ sudo make install install-hotplug cups

    Then use the "Add Printer" GUI.

    MAC OS X NOTES
    ---------------
    Please read the detailed installation instructions by Clint Morgan
    and Rick Richardson in the file INSTALL.osx.

    FREEBSD NOTES
    -------------
    You need the following packages before you start the "make":
    # pkg_add -r wget
    # pkg_add -r gmake
    # pkg_add -r ghostscript-gnu
    # pkg_add -r cups
    # pkg_add -r foomatic-filters

    Use "gmake" instead of "make". E.G. gmake; ./getweb XXX; gmake install

    USB NOTES FOR HP LJ 1018/1020/P1005/P1006/P1505
    - Build the kernel without the ulpt driver.
    e.g.
    # vi /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC
    comment out 'device ulpt'
    # cd /usr/src/
    # make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC
    # make installkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC
    reboot

    - Do one of these lines each time the printer is powered up:
    # cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1018.dl > /dev/ugen0.1
    # cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1020.dl > /dev/ugen0.1
    # cat /usr/share/foo2xqx/firmware/sihpP1005.dl > /dev/ugen0.1
    # cat /usr/share/foo2xqx/firmware/sihpP1006.dl > /dev/ugen0.1
    # cat /usr/share/foo2xqx/firmware/sihpP1505.dl > /dev/ugen0.1

    OPENBSD NOTES
    -------------
    You need the following packages before you start the "make":
    # pkg_add wget
    # pkg_add gmake
    # pkg_add -i ghostscript
    # pkg_add cups
    # pkg_add unzip

    Use "gmake" instead of "make". E.G. gmake; ./getweb XXX; gmake install

    OPENSOLARIS, SOLARIS EXPRESS DEVELOPER EDITION 9/07, Solaris 11+ NOTES
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Use "bash" for your shell. Only network printers are supported.

    $ export PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/sfw/bin:/opt/sfw/bin

    [ Load CD Solaris_Software_Companion]
    $ cd
    /media/S10_807_SOFTWARE_COMPANION/Solaris_Software_Companion/Solaris_i386/Packages
    $ su root -c "/usr/bin/bash"
    # pkgadd -d `pwd` SFWgroff
    # pkgadd -d `pwd` SFWgawk

    $ wget -O foo2zjs.tar.gz http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/foo2zjs.tar.gz
    $ tar zxf foo2zjs.tar.gz
    $ cd foo2zjs

    $ gmake
    $ ./getweb 2530
    OR other printer

    $ su root -c "/usr/bin/bash"
    # gmake install
    # printmgr

    To see a screen to the GUI:
    http://foo2lava.rkkda.com/solaris/

    NOTE: you cannot see the printer options (Paper Source, Paper Type,
    Paper Media, Color Mode, ICM, etc.). There is NO GUI to do it!!!
    Sorry.

    MINOLTA-QMS 2200/2300 DL NOTES
    ------------------------------
    Use the network interface if you can. These printers understand Unix
    LPD printer server protocol. So when setting up the printer queue,
    you can select "UNIX Printer (lpd queue)", set the lpd queue name to
    "lp" (arbitrary), and set the "Server" to the IP address of the
    printer.

    These printers also understand several other printer server protocols,
    such as JetDirect and IPP, but I have not tried them. In any case,
    I'm not aware of any advantages of using them over LPD.

    The USB interface on this printer will work if your printer is at
    firmware revision 2.55 or later. Mine was not, but I was able to
    get this firmware from the Konica Minolta Europe web site. The USA
    site doesn't have it. Upgrading the firmware on your printer can
    be dangerous and might turn your printer into a paperweight, so I do
    not recommend it unless you need USB and are a computer expert. To
    get the v2.55 firmware upgrade, try:
    ./getweb 2300dl_fw

    HP LASERJET 1000/1005/1018/1020, P1005/P1006/P1007/P1008/P1505 NOTES
    --------------------------------------------------------------------
    These printers need their firmware downloaded to them every time they
    are powered up.

    On Linux with USB connected printer:
    If you are running Linux and the printer is connected via USB, you
    can arrange for the firmware to be automatically downloaded to the
    printer by performing one more installation step:

    # make install-hotplug

    Unplug and re-plug the USB printer.

    On another OS or with a parallel port connected printer:

    You must send a firmware file to the printer each time you power it
    up. If you downloaded the extra files for the HP above, a typical
    command line to load the firmware would be ONE of these:

    cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl > /dev/usb/lp0
    cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1005.dl > /dev/usb/lp0
    cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1018.dl > /dev/usb/lp0
    cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1020.dl > /dev/usb/lp0
    cat /usr/share/foo2xqx/firmware/sihpP1005.dl > /dev/usb/lp0
    cat /usr/share/foo2xqx/firmware/sihpP1006.dl > /dev/usb/lp0
    cat /usr/share/foo2xqx/firmware/sihpP1505.dl > /dev/usb/lp0

    On Mac OS X:

    You must send a firmware file to the printer each time you power it
    up. If you downloaded the extra files for the HP above, a typical
    command line to load the firmware would be:

    lp -oraw /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1018.dl
    lp -oraw /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1020.dl
    lp -oraw /usr/share/foo2xqx/firmware/sihpP1005.dl
    lp -oraw /usr/share/foo2xqx/firmware/sihpP1006.dl
    lp -oraw /usr/share/foo2xqx/firmware/sihpP1505.dl

    Firmware Not Downloaded:
    # usb_printerid /dev/usb/lp0
    GET_DEVICE_ID string:
    MFG:Hewlett-Packard;MDL:HP LaserJet 1020;CMD:ACL;CLS: PRINTER;\
    DES:HP LaserJet 1020;

    Firmware Downloaded:
    # usb_printerid /dev/usb/lp0
    GET_DEVICE_ID string:
    MFG:Hewlett-Packard;MDL:HP LaserJet 1020;CMD:ACL;CLS: PRINTER;\
    DES:HP LaserJet 1020;FWVER:20050309;

    NOTE: The original HP files are named '*.img'. Sometimes HP supplies
    these files ready-to-download to the printer, sometimes they are raw
    ARM executables and need to have a special header added to them before
    they can be downloaded. The "make install" step will use the supplied
    "arm2hpdl" program to automatically detect which kind of file they are
    and convert them (if needed) to the downloadable '*.dl' format.

    These printers do not have a "button" when you run out of paper.
    But, there is a GNOME gui in:

    Applications -> System Tools -> HPLJ 10xx Replaced Paper

    It requires tcl, tk, and tix. Fedora 5 and later:
    # yum install tcl tk tix

    or, you can simulate this by reloading the paper and doing:

    $ usb_printerid /dev/usb/lp0

    or, you can open the print cartridge door and then close it.

    PSUTILS AND 2/4-UP CAPABILITY
    -----------------------------
    If you would like to use the 2-up/4-up capability, then you need to
    get and install Angus Duggan's excellent psutils package. You can
    find the source code for psutils here:

    http://knackered.knackered.org/angus/psutils/index.html

    Or an RPM here:

    http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/se...?query=psutils

    CUSTOM PAGE SIZE
    ----------------

    Append "PageSize=Custom.MMMxNNNin" to the lpr command. E.G.

    $ lpr -P hp2600 -o PageSize=Custom.4x6in ~/testpage.ps
    $ lpr -P hp2600 -o PageSize=Custom.10x15cm ~/testpage.ps
    $ lpr -P hp1020 -o PageSize=Custom.4x6in ~/testpage.ps

    Or, use a GUI that allows the custom size parameters, e.g.
    "evince" - PostScript and PDF File Viewer.

    SET DEFAULT MEDIA WITH CUPS
    ---------------------------
    $ sudo
    # lpoptions -o media=A4
    -OR-
    # lpoptions -o media=Letter

    UPDATE
    ------
    Here are handy lines you can click on to get the latest version:

    http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/
    wget http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/foo2zjs.tar.gz

    My advice: update early and often!!!!

    UNINSTALLING
    ------------
    This will uninstall everything from your system.

    $ su
    # make uninstall

    BUG REPORTS
    -----------
    PLEASE use the forums at:
    http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/forum/index.php

    I do not read or reply to HTML email or messages sent under an alias.
    I failed out of french class, so don't even think about sending
    me email in anything but English.

    Rick Richardson

    DEVELOPER AND DEBUGGING TIPS
    ----------------------------
    If you want to work on this program, I recommend creating a "raw"
    printer queue directed at the printer, with no protocol conversions.
    OR, simple copy the file to /dev/usb/lp0 (USB) or nc (netcat) the
    file (network).

    Then, you can use the "foo2zjs-wrapper" program to convert Postscript
    test programs to ZjS format, and inspect them with "zjsdecode" before
    deciding whether to print them or not. For example:

    foo2zjs-wrapper testpage.ps > testpage.zm
    foo2zjs-wrapper -c testpage.ps > testpage.zc

    zjsdecode < testpage.zm
    zjsdecode < testpage.zc

    lpr -Praw testpage.zm
    OR
    cp testpage.zm /dev/usb/lp0
    OR
    nc 192.168.1.NNN 9100 < testpage.zm

    Same thing for the other drivers, e.g. ...

    foo2hiperc-wrapper testpage.ps > testpage.hc
    hipercdecode < testpage.hc
    nc 192.168.1.NNN 9100 < testpage.hc

    If the printer is an HP LaserJet 10xx or P1xxx and needs to have the
    firmware downloaded, this will tell you (P1006):
    Before:
    usb_printerid /dev/usb/lp0
    MFG:Hewlett-Packard;MDL:HP LaserJet P1006;CMD:ACL;CLS:PRINTER;\
    DES:HP LaserJet P1006;

    After:
    usb_printerid /dev/usb/lp0
    MFG:Hewlett-Packard;MDL:HP LaserJet P1006;CMD:ACL;CLS:PRINTER;\
    DES:HP LaserJet P1006;FWVER:20080415;

    CUSTOM ICC/ICM COLOR PRINTER PROFILE
    ------------------------------------

    I need:
    Samsung CLP-315 default resolution
    Samsung CLP-600 default resolution
    Samsung CLP-610 default resolution
    HP Color LaserJet 1500 default resolution
    HP Color LaserJet CP1215 default resolution, 1-bit and 2-bit
    HP Color LaserJet 2600n 2-bit, default resolution

    0) Pick a vendor, e.g.
    "Custom ICC ICM colour printer profile RGB or CMYK"
    Seller: personalised101
    http://stores.ebay.ie/The-Graphics-Depot
    Cost: 10 pounds

    "We Create a Custom ICC Profile for Your Printer-"
    Seller: fotojimbo
    http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfotojimbo
    Cost: 10 dollars


    1) Convert the vendor sheet(s) from *.tif to page*.ps (OPTIONAL)

    $ gimp

    OR

    Preferred, using ImageMagick's "convert"
    $ convert Color\ Patch\ RGB\ \(Page\ 1\).tif page1.ps
    $ convert Color\ Patch\ RGB\ \(Page\ 2\).tif page2.ps

    OR

    From *.jpg to *.ps
    $ convert a300DPI_i1-RGB-1.5.jpg -rotate 90 -density 300x300 \
    -quality 100 page1.ps

    2) Print the Postscript vendor sheet(s) with NO color correction:

    $ foo2hp2600-wrapper -c -C10 -Gnone.icm page1.ps > test1.prn

    $ nc 192.168.1.xxxxxxx 9100 < test1.prn
    OR
    $ cp test1.prn /dev/usb/lp0

    repeat for page2.ps (if necessary).

    3) Send them to the vendor by POSTAL MAIL

    4) Get back *.icc/*.icm profile by EMAIL or WEB

    5) Put it in /usr/share/foo2hp/icm/testing.icm

    6) Print a test picture:

    $ foo2hp2600-wrapper -c -C10 -Gtesting.icm \
    picture.ps > picture.prn

    $ nc 192.168.1.xxxxxxx 9100 < picture.prn
    OR
    $ cp picture.prn /dev/usb/lp0

    7) If it is OK, send "testing.icm" to rick.richardson@comcast.net
    for inclusion in foo2zjs.

    Other printers: use foo2qpdl-wrapper and /usr/share/foo2qpdl/icm/
    Other printers: use foo2lava-wrapper and /usr/share/foo2lava/icm/
    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
    Please Visit www.linsux.org

  2. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:45:17 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

    > I finally got tired of my printer going out to lunch, not printing
    > correctly




    I just plugged my HPLJ4100 network laser into the network. She ran CUPS
    setup on her Debian Box, I just ran LPRNG on this Gentoo Box.

    We have had faultless networked printing for about 3 years with this
    printer, 25 ppm 1200dpi, and low running costs.

    It emails me if the toner is low, or if there is a jam (happens if I feed
    in two sheets via the manual feeder) etc.

    However the Flatfish loves buying the latest $35 Winprinter inkjet and
    then complaining here for years about how hard and tedious it is to get
    running under Linux.

    It's a tired old Flatfish lament, and recycled often:-

    'oh Moma ma Winprinter printer just won't go,
    I've configured it up and down and all over the place,
    but ma Winprinter just won't go!'

    Don't be fooled folks, especially if you haven't tried Linux, because
    setting Linux up for printing can be a 30 second job if you buy a Linux
    compatible printer.

    If you buy the cheapest Windows only junk, sure you'll probably have
    trouble, so don't be dumb like the Flatfish Troll here, do your research
    first and have a *perfect* outcome with Linux.


    --
    Linux full time, on the desktop, since August 1997

  3. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    Terry Porter writes:

    > On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:45:17 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >
    >> I finally got tired of my printer going out to lunch, not printing
    >> correctly

    >
    >
    >
    > I just plugged my HPLJ4100 network laser into the network. She ran CUPS
    > setup on her Debian Box, I just ran LPRNG on this Gentoo Box.
    >
    > We have had faultless networked printing for about 3 years with this
    > printer, 25 ppm 1200dpi, and low running costs.
    >
    > It emails me if the toner is low, or if there is a jam (happens if I feed
    > in two sheets via the manual feeder) etc.
    >
    > However the Flatfish loves buying the latest $35 Winprinter inkjet and
    > then complaining here for years about how hard and tedious it is to get
    > running under Linux.
    >
    > It's a tired old Flatfish lament, and recycled often:-
    >
    > 'oh Moma ma Winprinter printer just won't go,
    > I've configured it up and down and all over the place,
    > but ma Winprinter just won't go!'
    >
    > Don't be fooled folks, especially if you haven't tried Linux, because
    > setting Linux up for printing can be a 30 second job if you buy a Linux
    > compatible printer.
    >
    > If you buy the cheapest Windows only junk, sure you'll probably have
    > trouble, so don't be dumb like the Flatfish Troll here, do your research
    > first and have a *perfect* outcome with Linux.


    garbage. Until recently (and there are still issues) setting up printers
    in Ubuntu and debian was hit and miss. No one knew whether to use Gnome
    interfaces or web based cups. And of course the Ubuntu team disabled
    browser based CUPs admin.

    You really know nothing about anything outside of your small basement.

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c...em&btnG=Search

    or

    http://tinyurl.com/5nmze3

    As for your wireless epxertise ...

    Now, blabbing on about how you "personally" test other peoples standard
    WAPs might impress the COLA faithful but you know and I know that those
    tests are totally flawed since 99.9999% of them work of the box and also
    that each WAP reacts differently depending on the home location.

    Reselling other people's wireless routers (ripping off people) is no way
    to make a living son. Crowing about it here even less so.

    --
    "His asshole is so reamed out he has room for an oxygen
    tank, too."
    -- Tattoo Vampire loooking for new accomodation in comp.os.linux.advocacy

  4. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    On 2008-10-20, Terry Porter wrote:
    > On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:45:17 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >
    >> I finally got tired of my printer going out to lunch, not printing
    >> correctly

    >
    >
    >
    > I just plugged my HPLJ4100 network laser into the network. She ran CUPS
    > setup on her Debian Box, I just ran LPRNG on this Gentoo Box.
    >
    > We have had faultless networked printing for about 3 years with this
    > printer, 25 ppm 1200dpi, and low running costs.
    >
    > It emails me if the toner is low, or if there is a jam (happens if I feed
    > in two sheets via the manual feeder) etc.
    >
    > However the Flatfish loves buying the latest $35 Winprinter inkjet and
    > then complaining here for years about how hard and tedious it is to get
    > running under Linux.


    Linux users are accused of being tightarses, yet who is the tightarse
    here?

    --
    Regards,

    Gregory.
    Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

  5. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    Gregory Shearman wrote:
    > Terry Porter wrote:
    >> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
    >>
    >>> I finally got tired of my printer going out to lunch, not
    >>> printing correctly

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> I just plugged my HPLJ4100 network laser into the network.
    >> She ran CUPS setup on her Debian Box, I just ran LPRNG on
    >> this Gentoo Box.
    >>
    >> We have had faultless networked printing for about 3 years
    >> with this printer, 25 ppm 1200dpi, and low running costs.
    >>
    >> It emails me if the toner is low, or if there is a jam
    >> (happens if I feed in two sheets via the manual feeder) etc.
    >>
    >> However the Flatfish loves buying the latest $35 Winprinter
    >> inkjet and then complaining here for years about how hard
    >> and tedious it is to get running under Linux.

    >
    > Linux users are accused of being tightarses, yet who is the
    > tightarse here?


    My HP DeskJet 610CL, a WinPrinter detected fine under Ubuntu and
    SuSE 10.1 Open when I was using it. No HP special driver
    downloads required.

    If someone wants something to fail, they will seek failure, which
    tells you a lot about the OP. I hope his daughter doesn't learn
    his bad habbits.

    --
    HPT
    Quando omni flunkus moritati
    (If all else fails, play dead)
    - "Red" Green

  6. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    Hadron wrote:
    > Terry Porter writes:
    >
    >> If you buy the cheapest Windows only junk, sure you'll
    >> probably have trouble, so don't be dumb like the Flatfish
    >> Troll here, do your research first and have a *perfect*
    >> outcome with Linux.

    >
    > garbage. Until recently (and there are still issues) setting
    > up printers in Ubuntu and debian was hit and miss. No one knew
    > whether to use Gnome interfaces or web based cups. And of
    > course the Ubuntu team disabled browser based CUPs admin.


    Indeed, way to go "Linux security magnate", "software QA
    consultant", "Usenet etiquette provocateur", "true Linux
    advocate", "Debian distro governor", "kernel hacker", "emacs
    user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk
    server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician",
    "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
    culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka
    Richard, aka Damian O'Leary.

    Ubuntu sets up CUPS by default and autodetects printers during
    installation.

    > You really know nothing about anything outside of your small
    > basement.


    This is an example of:

    http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

    7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics

    12. Blame your stupidity and lies on your opponent. Blame
    your own stupidity on the Linux advocate you are dealing with.
    Such as when you have made an unsupportable claim that suggest a
    list of details and your are asked to present your non-existent
    list reply with, "I don't have to list them for you; you aren't
    bright enough to know what you're missing by using X instead of a
    real Y, I'm not going to explain it to you." Then hope that
    nobody reading the thread realizes that your statement translates
    as, "I lack the knowledge or facts needed to counter your
    position or your position is too complete and accurate to be
    refuted. So, I will say things to sound superior to avoid
    admitting you are right."

    48. Don't let your ignorance stop you from posting. No
    matter how little you understand of the issues being discussed in
    a thread, post anyway. If you don't know what you are talking
    about just pretend that you do.
    --
    HPT
    Quando omni flunkus moritati
    (If all else fails, play dead)
    - "Red" Green

  7. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    High Plains Thumper writes:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >> Terry Porter writes:
    >>
    >>> If you buy the cheapest Windows only junk, sure you'll
    >>> probably have trouble, so don't be dumb like the Flatfish
    >>> Troll here, do your research first and have a *perfect*
    >>> outcome with Linux.

    >>
    >> garbage. Until recently (and there are still issues) setting
    >> up printers in Ubuntu and debian was hit and miss. No one knew
    >> whether to use Gnome interfaces or web based cups. And of
    >> course the Ubuntu team disabled browser based CUPs admin.

    >
    > Indeed, way to go "Linux security magnate", "software QA
    > consultant", "Usenet etiquette provocateur", "true Linux
    > advocate", "Debian distro governor", "kernel hacker", "emacs
    > user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk
    > server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician",
    > "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
    > culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka
    > Richard, aka Damian O'Leary.
    >
    > Ubuntu sets up CUPS by default and autodetects printers during
    > installation.


    So you deny what I said about the CUPS web interface?

    Poor High Plains Hypocrite. Wrong again.

    http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/...min-interface/


    >
    >> You really know nothing about anything outside of your small
    >> basement.

    >
    > This is an example of:


    No. It is an example of your small minded "works for me" approach.

  8. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    On 20 Oct 2008 23:49:30 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:

    > On 2008-10-20, Terry Porter wrote:
    >> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:45:17 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >>
    >>> I finally got tired of my printer going out to lunch, not printing
    >>> correctly

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> I just plugged my HPLJ4100 network laser into the network. She ran CUPS
    >> setup on her Debian Box, I just ran LPRNG on this Gentoo Box.
    >>
    >> We have had faultless networked printing for about 3 years with this
    >> printer, 25 ppm 1200dpi, and low running costs.
    >>
    >> It emails me if the toner is low, or if there is a jam (happens if I feed
    >> in two sheets via the manual feeder) etc.
    >>
    >> However the Flatfish loves buying the latest $35 Winprinter inkjet and
    >> then complaining here for years about how hard and tedious it is to get
    >> running under Linux.

    >
    > Linux users are accused of being tightarses, yet who is the tightarse
    > here?


    It's an HP Laserjet.........
    Can't get more Linux friendly than that.

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
    Please Visit www.linsux.org

  9. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:27:24 -0600, High Plains Thumper wrote:

    > Gregory Shearman wrote:
    >> Terry Porter wrote:
    >>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I finally got tired of my printer going out to lunch, not
    >>>> printing correctly
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I just plugged my HPLJ4100 network laser into the network.
    >>> She ran CUPS setup on her Debian Box, I just ran LPRNG on
    >>> this Gentoo Box.
    >>>
    >>> We have had faultless networked printing for about 3 years
    >>> with this printer, 25 ppm 1200dpi, and low running costs.
    >>>
    >>> It emails me if the toner is low, or if there is a jam
    >>> (happens if I feed in two sheets via the manual feeder) etc.
    >>>
    >>> However the Flatfish loves buying the latest $35 Winprinter
    >>> inkjet and then complaining here for years about how hard
    >>> and tedious it is to get running under Linux.

    >>
    >> Linux users are accused of being tightarses, yet who is the
    >> tightarse here?

    >
    > My HP DeskJet 610CL, a WinPrinter detected fine under Ubuntu and
    > SuSE 10.1 Open when I was using it. No HP special driver
    > downloads required.
    >
    > If someone wants something to fail, they will seek failure, which
    > tells you a lot about the OP. I hope his daughter doesn't learn
    > his bad habbits.


    http://foo2xqx.rkkda.com/

    See that nice big red box in the middle of the page that says DO NOT USE
    THE DRIVERS FROM UBUNTU etc.

    Duhhh....

    BTW it took me days to find that page...
    And it's not exactly easy to do either.

    Like I said, plug it into Windows and it works.

    Also worked fine with Mint Linux.

    Now back to your fantasy world.


    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
    Please Visit www.linsux.org

  10. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    Hadron wrote:
    > High Plains Thumper writes:
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>> Terry Porter writes:
    >>>
    >>>> If you buy the cheapest Windows only junk, sure you'll
    >>>> probably have trouble, so don't be dumb like the
    >>>> Flatfish Troll here, do your research first and have a
    >>>> *perfect* outcome with Linux.
    >>>
    >>> garbage. Until recently (and there are still issues)
    >>> setting up printers in Ubuntu and debian was hit and miss.
    >>> No one knew whether to use Gnome interfaces or web based
    >>> cups. And of course the Ubuntu team disabled browser based
    >>> CUPs admin.

    >>
    >> Indeed, way to go "Linux security magnate", "software QA
    >> consultant", "Usenet etiquette provocateur", "true Linux
    >> advocate", "Debian distro governor", "kernel hacker", "emacs
    >> user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru",
    >> "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional",
    >> "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator",
    >> "email sage" and "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron
    >> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary.
    >>
    >> Ubuntu sets up CUPS by default and autodetects printers
    >> during installation.

    >
    > So you deny what I said about the CUPS web interface?
    >
    > Poor High Plains Hypocrite. Wrong again.
    >
    > http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/...min-interface/


    Yeah, right:

    Comments»

    1. Tommy - October 14, 2005

    I believe it’s turned off for the same reason lots of things
    in Debian/Ubuntu are never turned on… it’s safer to leave them
    off unless you need them and know how to configure them properly.
    As for CUPS, I believe there are several known Denial of Service
    attack issues with it, so maybe those are lessened when the login
    doesn’t work. I would probably avoid activating the admin
    interface UNLESS your LAN is behind some sort of firewall.
    There are reasons why some things are not enabled by default.

    >>> You really know nothing about anything outside of your
    >>> small basement.

    >>
    >> This is an example of:
    >>
    >> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
    >>
    >>
    7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics



    >> 48. Don't let your ignorance stop you from posting. No
    >> matter how little you understand of the issues being
    >> discussed in a thread, post anyway. If you don't know what
    >> you are talking about just pretend that you do.

    >
    > No. It is an example of your small minded "works for me"
    > approach.


    Self explanatory, see above.

    --
    HPT
    Quando omni flunkus moritati
    (If all else fails, play dead)
    - "Red" Green

  11. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    High Plains Thumper writes:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >> High Plains Thumper writes:
    >>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>> Terry Porter writes:
    >>>>
    >>>>> If you buy the cheapest Windows only junk, sure you'll probably
    >>>>> have trouble, so don't be dumb like the Flatfish Troll here, do
    >>>>> your research first and have a *perfect* outcome with Linux.
    >>>>
    >>>> garbage. Until recently (and there are still issues) setting up
    >>>> printers in Ubuntu and debian was hit and miss.
    >>>> No one knew whether to use Gnome interfaces or web based cups. And
    >>>> of course the Ubuntu team disabled browser based
    >>>> CUPs admin.
    >>>
    >>> Indeed, way to go "Linux security magnate", "software QA
    >>> consultant", "Usenet etiquette provocateur", "true Linux advocate",
    >>> "Debian distro governor", "kernel hacker", "emacs
    >>> user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk
    >>> server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician",
    >>> "hardware maven", "time coordinator",
    >>> "email sage" and "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka
    >>> Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary.
    >>>
    >>> Ubuntu sets up CUPS by default and autodetects printers during
    >>> installation.

    >>
    >> So you deny what I said about the CUPS web interface?
    >>
    >> Poor High Plains Hypocrite. Wrong again.
    >>
    >> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/...min-interface/

    >
    > Yeah, right:


    Yeah right.

    And lots of people took ages to find that out. People like you were
    calling Ubuntu adopters "idiots" etc because they had forgotten the
    default was no CUPS interface. All the "howtos" never mentioned
    it. People like me and others similar pushed for it to be better
    publicised.

    "Howto hell" was a far bigger turn off for new Linux users than could be
    countered by you and the "Works for me" wheenies such as Willy Poaster
    who is on record as saying Linux was ready for prime time desktop 10
    years ago. Or Gregory Shearman who thinks writing a good UI is a "waste
    of a programmers time".

    Go READ from Google. And stop pretending there are no issues. DFS was
    right : you are a mealy mouthed hypocrite.

  12. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    > High Plains Thumper wrote:
    >> Gregory Shearman wrote:
    >>> Terry Porter wrote:
    >>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> I finally got tired of my printer going out to lunch, not
    >>>>> printing correctly
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I just plugged my HPLJ4100 network laser into the network.
    >>>> She ran CUPS setup on her Debian Box, I just ran LPRNG on
    >>>> this Gentoo Box.
    >>>>
    >>>> We have had faultless networked printing for about 3 years
    >>>> with this printer, 25 ppm 1200dpi, and low running costs.
    >>>>
    >>>> It emails me if the toner is low, or if there is a jam
    >>>> (happens if I feed in two sheets via the manual feeder) etc.
    >>>>
    >>>> However the Flatfish loves buying the latest $35 Winprinter
    >>>> inkjet and then complaining here for years about how hard
    >>>> and tedious it is to get running under Linux.
    >>> Linux users are accused of being tightarses, yet who is the
    >>> tightarse here?

    >>
    >> My HP DeskJet 610CL, a WinPrinter detected fine under Ubuntu and
    >> SuSE 10.1 Open when I was using it. No HP special driver
    >> downloads required.
    >>
    >> If someone wants something to fail, they will seek failure, which
    >> tells you a lot about the OP. I hope his daughter doesn't learn
    >> his bad habbits.

    >
    > http://foo2xqx.rkkda.com/
    >
    > See that nice big red box in the middle of the page that says DO NOT USE
    > THE DRIVERS FROM UBUNTU etc.
    >
    > Duhhh....
    >
    > BTW it took me days to find that page...
    > And it's not exactly easy to do either.
    >
    > Like I said, plug it into Windows and it works.
    >
    > Also worked fine with Mint Linux.
    >
    > Now back to your fantasy world.


    FUD. I am using the HPLIP package, not the foo2zjs package. It
    was bundled with Ubuntu. For example, for the HP LaserJet P1006
    listed in the foo2xqx driver, per

    http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web...jet_p1006.html

    the HP LaserJet P1006 is supported with the HPLIP provided
    driver. HPLIP has been supplied with the following distros:

    Distro Version Installer GUI
    Debian 2.2 Yes Yes
    Debian 3 Yes Yes
    Debian 3.1 Yes Yes
    Debian 4 Yes Yes
    Debian 5 Yes Yes
    Debian 4.0r0 Yes Yes
    Debian 4.0r1 Yes Yes
    Debian lenny Yes Yes
    Debian lenny/sid Yes Yes
    Debian stable Yes Yes
    Debian testing Yes Yes
    Fedora 4 Yes Yes
    Fedora 5 Yes Yes
    Fedora 5 Yes Yes
    Fedora 5.92 Yes Yes
    Fedora 6 Yes Yes
    Fedora 6 Yes Yes
    Fedora 7 Yes Yes
    Fedora 7 Yes Yes
    Fedora 8 Yes Yes
    Fedora 8 Yes Yes
    Fedora 9 Yes Yes
    Fedora 9 Yes Yes
    IGOS 1 Yes Yes
    Mandriva 10.1 Yes Yes
    Mandriva 10.2 Yes Yes
    Mandriva 2006 Yes Yes
    Mandriva 2007 Yes Yes
    Mandriva 2007.1 Yes Yes
    Mandriva 2008 Yes Yes
    Mepis 6 Yes Yes
    Mepis 6.5 Yes Yes
    Mepis 7 Yes Yes
    PCLinuxOS 2006 Yes Yes
    PCLinuxOS 2006 Yes Yes
    SUSE 10 Yes Yes
    SUSE 10 Yes Yes
    SUSE 10.1 Yes Yes
    SUSE 10.2 Yes Yes
    SUSE 10.3 Yes Yes
    SUSE 11 Yes Yes
    Ubuntu 6.06 Yes Yes
    Ubuntu 6.1 Yes Yes
    Ubuntu 7.04 Yes Yes
    Ubuntu 7.1 Yes Yes
    Ubuntu 8.04 Yes Yes
    Ubuntu 8.1 Yes Yes

    HP's own driver works fine for my HP DeskJet 610CL and for my HP
    OfficeJet 7300 when I had it.

    --
    HPT
    Quando omni flunkus moritati
    (If all else fails, play dead)
    - "Red" Green

  13. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    Hadron wrote:
    > High Plains Thumper writes:
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>> High Plains Thumper writes:
    >>>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>>> Terry Porter writes:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> If you buy the cheapest Windows only junk, sure
    >>>>>> you'll probably have trouble, so don't be dumb like
    >>>>>> the Flatfish Troll here, do your research first and
    >>>>>> have a *perfect* outcome with Linux.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> garbage. Until recently (and there are still issues)
    >>>>> setting up printers in Ubuntu and debian was hit and
    >>>>> miss. No one knew whether to use Gnome interfaces or
    >>>>> web based cups. And of course the Ubuntu team disabled
    >>>>> browser based CUPs admin.
    >>>>
    >>>> Indeed, way to go "Linux security magnate", "software QA
    >>>> consultant", "Usenet etiquette provocateur", "true
    >>>> Linux advocate", "Debian distro governor", "kernel
    >>>> hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X
    >>>> specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin",
    >>>> "defragger professional", "newsreader magician",
    >>>> "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and
    >>>> "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans
    >>>> Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary.
    >>>>
    >>>> Ubuntu sets up CUPS by default and autodetects printers
    >>>> during installation.
    >>>
    >>> So you deny what I said about the CUPS web interface?
    >>>
    >>> Poor High Plains Hypocrite. Wrong again.
    >>>
    >>> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/...min-interface/
    >>>
    >>>

    >> Yeah, right: [Hadron snip reinstated]
    >>
    >>
    Comments»
    >>
    >> 1. Tommy - October 14, 2005
    >>
    >> I believe it’s turned off for the same reason lots of things
    >> in Debian/Ubuntu are never turned on… it’s safer to leave
    >> them off unless you need them and know how to configure them
    >> properly. As for CUPS, I believe there are several known
    >> Denial of Service attack issues with it, so maybe those are
    >> lessened when the login doesn’t work. I would probably avoid
    >> activating the admin interface UNLESS your LAN is behind
    >> some sort of firewall.
    >>
    >> There are reasons why some things are not enabled by
    >> default. [/Hadron snip reinstated]

    >
    > Yeah right.
    >
    > And lots of people took ages to find that out.


    Lie.

    > People like you were calling Ubuntu adopters "idiots" etc
    > because they had forgotten the default was no CUPS interface.


    Lie.

    > All the "howtos" never mentioned it.


    Lie.

    > People like me and others similar pushed for it to be better
    > publicised.


    Oh, really?

    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.o...d8558323663ecb

    Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.suse, comp.os.linux.advocacy
    From: JEDIDIAH
    Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:30:43 -0500
    Subject: Re: Printer Problems

    [..] Hadron Quark [..] wrote:
    > flatfish+++ [..] writes:


    [..]

    >> According to the experts in comp.os.linux.advocacy, printing
    >> just works with Linux.
    >> You must be a troll.

    >
    > Probbaly same thing as Ubuntu : all the fanatics kept telling
    > me about this CUPS web interface. Guess what? Its hardcoded
    > out in Ubuntu because


    Odd then that I'm using precisely that interface in Ubuntu.

    ....wasn't a great effort either. Certainly not enough of one that
    I even remember what I had to do to get it going. More than
    likely it started with a google search.

    ....not that you would really need anything more than the gnome
    applet anyways. Some of us are just set in our ways.

    > "Howto hell" was a far bigger


    figment of Hadron's imagination, fantasy continues:

    > turn off for new Linux users than could be countered by you
    > and the "Works for me" wheenies such as Willy Poaster who is
    > on record as saying Linux was ready for prime time desktop 10
    > years ago. Or Gregory Shearman who thinks writing a good UI is
    > a "waste of a programmers time".
    >
    > Go READ from Google. And stop pretending there are no issues.
    > DFS was right : you are a mealy mouthed hypocrite.


    Rather sad that this troll cannot respect forum poster's nyms,
    resorting to insults.

    These are examples of:

    http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killf..._troll_faq.htm

    Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll

    If anyone does anything which will interfere with the troll's
    ability to cause mayhem, they can become very nasty, posting from
    obviously incorrect variations of the name etc. insults, call
    them netcops, netnannies, homosexuals.
    also

    http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/

    7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics [...]

    [3.] Put your opponent off guard by insulting him. The liberal
    use of profanity and vulgarisms can be very effective,
    particularly when used against you more dignified opponents. Your
    experience as a school yard bully can be handy here.
    --
    HPT
    Quando omni flunkus moritati
    (If all else fails, play dead)
    - "Red" Green

  14. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:16:05 -0600, High Plains Thumper wrote:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >> High Plains Thumper writes:
    >>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>> Terry Porter writes:
    >>>>
    >>>>> If you buy the cheapest Windows only junk, sure you'll
    >>>>> probably have trouble, so don't be dumb like the
    >>>>> Flatfish Troll here, do your research first and have a
    >>>>> *perfect* outcome with Linux.
    >>>>
    >>>> garbage. Until recently (and there are still issues)
    >>>> setting up printers in Ubuntu and debian was hit and miss.
    >>>> No one knew whether to use Gnome interfaces or web based
    >>>> cups. And of course the Ubuntu team disabled browser based
    >>>> CUPs admin.
    >>>
    >>> Indeed, way to go "Linux security magnate", "software QA
    >>> consultant", "Usenet etiquette provocateur", "true Linux
    >>> advocate", "Debian distro governor", "kernel hacker", "emacs
    >>> user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru",
    >>> "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional",
    >>> "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator",
    >>> "email sage" and "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron
    >>> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary.
    >>>
    >>> Ubuntu sets up CUPS by default and autodetects printers
    >>> during installation.

    >>
    >> So you deny what I said about the CUPS web interface?
    >>
    >> Poor High Plains Hypocrite. Wrong again.
    >>
    >> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/...min-interface/

    >
    > Yeah, right:
    >
    >
    > Comments»
    >
    > 1. Tommy - October 14, 2005
    >
    > I believe it’s turned off for the same reason lots of things
    > in Debian/Ubuntu are never turned on… it’s safer to leave them
    > off unless you need them and know how to configure them properly.
    > As for CUPS, I believe there are several known Denial of Service
    > attack issues with it, so maybe those are lessened when the login
    > doesn’t work. I would probably avoid activating the admin
    > interface UNLESS your LAN is behind some sort of firewall.
    >
    >
    > There are reasons why some things are not enabled by default.
    >
    >>>> You really know nothing about anything outside of your
    >>>> small basement.
    >>>
    >>> This is an example of:
    >>>
    >>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
    >>>
    >>>
    7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics
    >
    >
    >
    >>> 48. Don't let your ignorance stop you from posting. No
    >>> matter how little you understand of the issues being
    >>> discussed in a thread, post anyway. If you don't know what
    >>> you are talking about just pretend that you do.

    >>
    >> No. It is an example of your small minded "works for me"
    >> approach.

    >
    > Self explanatory, see above.


    And here's an example of the *very* thing the Quack troll accuses others
    of!


    But you can pin in the Unstable version and it works. Did for me.

    Message-ID:
    hadronquark@googlemail.com
    Monday 21 July 2008
    alt.os.linux.debian

    "Works for me" by Hadron Quack.

    --
    Did you know?
    Hadron Quack & his wife divorced over religious differences.
    He thought he was God, but she didn't.


  15. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:19:36 -0600, High Plains Thumper wrote:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >> High Plains Thumper writes:
    >>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>> High Plains Thumper writes:
    >>>>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>>>> Terry Porter writes:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> If you buy the cheapest Windows only junk, sure
    >>>>>>> you'll probably have trouble, so don't be dumb like
    >>>>>>> the Flatfish Troll here, do your research first and
    >>>>>>> have a *perfect* outcome with Linux.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> garbage. Until recently (and there are still issues)
    >>>>>> setting up printers in Ubuntu and debian was hit and
    >>>>>> miss. No one knew whether to use Gnome interfaces or
    >>>>>> web based cups. And of course the Ubuntu team disabled
    >>>>>> browser based CUPs admin.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Indeed, way to go "Linux security magnate", "software QA
    >>>>> consultant", "Usenet etiquette provocateur", "true
    >>>>> Linux advocate", "Debian distro governor", "kernel
    >>>>> hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X
    >>>>> specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin",
    >>>>> "defragger professional", "newsreader magician",
    >>>>> "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and
    >>>>> "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans
    >>>>> Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Ubuntu sets up CUPS by default and autodetects printers
    >>>>> during installation.
    >>>>
    >>>> So you deny what I said about the CUPS web interface?
    >>>>
    >>>> Poor High Plains Hypocrite. Wrong again.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/...min-interface/
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> Yeah, right: [Hadron snip reinstated]
    >>>
    >>>
    Comments»
    >>>
    >>> 1. Tommy - October 14, 2005
    >>>
    >>> I believe it’s turned off for the same reason lots of things
    >>> in Debian/Ubuntu are never turned on… it’s safer to leave
    >>> them off unless you need them and know how to configure them
    >>> properly. As for CUPS, I believe there are several known
    >>> Denial of Service attack issues with it, so maybe those are
    >>> lessened when the login doesn’t work. I would probably avoid
    >>> activating the admin interface UNLESS your LAN is behind
    >>> some sort of firewall.
    >>>
    >>> There are reasons why some things are not enabled by
    >>> default. [/Hadron snip reinstated]

    >>
    >> Yeah right.
    >>
    >> And lots of people took ages to find that out.

    >
    > Lie.
    >
    >> People like you were calling Ubuntu adopters "idiots" etc
    >> because they had forgotten the default was no CUPS interface.

    >
    > Lie.
    >
    >> All the "howtos" never mentioned it.

    >
    > Lie.
    >
    >> People like me and others similar pushed for it to be better
    >> publicised.

    >
    > Oh, really?
    >
    > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.o...d8558323663ecb
    >
    > Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.suse, comp.os.linux.advocacy
    > From: JEDIDIAH
    > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:30:43 -0500
    > Subject: Re: Printer Problems
    >
    >
    > [..] Hadron Quark [..] wrote:
    >> flatfish+++ [..] writes:

    >
    > [..]
    >
    >>> According to the experts in comp.os.linux.advocacy, printing
    >>> just works with Linux.
    >>> You must be a troll.

    >>
    >> Probbaly same thing as Ubuntu : all the fanatics kept telling
    >> me about this CUPS web interface. Guess what? Its hardcoded
    >> out in Ubuntu because

    >
    > Odd then that I'm using precisely that interface in Ubuntu.
    >
    > ...wasn't a great effort either. Certainly not enough of one that
    > I even remember what I had to do to get it going. More than
    > likely it started with a google search.
    >
    > ...not that you would really need anything more than the gnome
    > applet anyways. Some of us are just set in our ways.
    >
    >
    >> "Howto hell" was a far bigger

    >
    > figment of Hadron's imagination, fantasy continues:
    >
    >> turn off for new Linux users than could be countered by you
    >> and the "Works for me" wheenies such as Willy Poaster who is
    >> on record as saying Linux was ready for prime time desktop 10
    >> years ago. Or Gregory Shearman who thinks writing a good UI is
    >> a "waste of a programmers time".


    And the Quack troll can supply a M-ID for accusations in this rant, can't
    he. But don't hold your breath folks, the troll never backs things up.
    IMO the only "weenies" are trolls like Quack, who can't get things to work
    for them *today*, never mind back then! And as the troll has *supposedly*
    only used Linux for 2 years, how does the troll know *what* Linux was like
    10 years ago?

    But there again, according to the Hadron Quack troll, Linux was
    *non-existant* 10 years ago!


    Surely you are not comparing the non existent Linux (at that time) with 98?

    From: Hadron
    Message-ID:
    Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007



    >> Go READ from Google. And stop pretending there are no issues.
    >> DFS was right : you are a mealy mouthed hypocrite.

    >
    > Rather sad that this troll cannot respect forum poster's nyms,
    > resorting to insults.
    >
    > These are examples of:
    >
    > http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killf..._troll_faq.htm
    >
    >
    Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll
    >
    > If anyone does anything which will interfere with the troll's
    > ability to cause mayhem, they can become very nasty, posting from
    > obviously incorrect variations of the name etc. insults, call
    > them netcops, netnannies, homosexuals.
    >
    > also
    >
    > http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
    >
    >
    7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics [...]
    >
    > [3.] Put your opponent off guard by insulting him. The liberal
    > use of profanity and vulgarisms can be very effective,
    > particularly when used against you more dignified opponents. Your
    > experience as a school yard bully can be handy here.


    --
    Did you know?
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    He thought he was God, but she didn't.


  16. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    After takin' a swig o' grog, High Plains Thumper belched out
    this bit o' wisdom:

    > Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >>
    >> http://foo2xqx.rkkda.com/
    >>
    >> See that nice big red box in the middle of the page that says DO NOT USE
    >> THE DRIVERS FROM UBUNTU etc.

    >
    > FUD. I am using the HPLIP package, not the foo2zjs package.


    foo2xqx is not in Debian (at least, in 64-bit land).

    > It
    > was bundled with Ubuntu. For example, for the HP LaserJet P1006
    > listed in the foo2xqx driver, per
    >
    > http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web...jet_p1006.html
    >
    > the HP LaserJet P1006 is supported with the HPLIP provided
    > driver. HPLIP has been supplied with the following distros:
    >
    > Distro Version Installer GUI
    > Debian 4 Yes Yes
    > Debian 5 Yes Yes
    > Debian 4.0r0 Yes Yes
    > Debian 4.0r1 Yes Yes
    > Debian lenny Yes Yes
    > Debian lenny/sid Yes Yes
    > Debian stable Yes Yes
    > Debian testing Yes Yes


    What does that matrix mean by not supporting scan, fax, or network?

    You need other software (e.g. xsane)?

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    please call the sender.

  17. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    After takin' a swig o' grog, High Plains Thumper belched out
    this bit o' wisdom:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >> Terry Porter writes:
    >>
    >>> If you buy the cheapest Windows only junk, sure you'll
    >>> probably have trouble, so don't be dumb like the Flatfish
    >>> Troll here, do your research first and have a *perfect*
    >>> outcome with Linux.

    >>
    >> garbage. Until recently (and there are still issues) setting
    >> up printers in Ubuntu and debian was hit and miss. No one knew
    >> whether to use Gnome interfaces or web based cups. And of
    >> course the Ubuntu team disabled browser based CUPs admin.

    >
    > Indeed, way to go "Linux security magnate", "software QA
    > consultant", "Usenet etiquette provocateur", "true Linux
    > advocate", "Debian distro governor", "kernel hacker", "emacs
    > user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk
    > server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician",
    > "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
    > culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka
    > Richard, aka Damian O'Leary.
    >
    > Ubuntu sets up CUPS by default and autodetects printers during
    > installation.
    >
    >> You really know nothing about anything outside of your small
    >> basement.


    Either Hadron /really/ doesn't use Linux enough to matter, as Peter
    maintains, or he's just making stuff up to get a rise out of people.

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    Your life would be very empty if you had nothing to regret.

  18. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    After takin' a swig o' grog, High Plains Thumper belched out
    this bit o' wisdom:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> garbage. Until recently (and there are still issues)
    >>>>>> setting up printers in Ubuntu and debian was hit and
    >>>>>> miss. No one knew whether to use Gnome interfaces or
    >>>>>> web based cups. And of course the Ubuntu team disabled
    >>>>>> browser based CUPs admin.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Ubuntu sets up CUPS by default and autodetects printers
    >>>>> during installation.
    >>>>
    >>>> So you deny what I said about the CUPS web interface?
    >>>>
    >>>> Poor High Plains Hypocrite. Wrong again.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/...min-interface/
    >>>>
    >>> Yeah, right: [Hadron snip reinstated]


    You missed this at that link:

    Well it is obvious the cupsys web admin interface is disabled due to
    security issues. The easy way to get into accessing a printer is that
    you got to give the root account a password do a

    sudo /bin/bash - you will get root access
    passwd root - you can set the root password

    cow you can try accessing the cupsys http://localhost:631, you can
    use root and password, but then it will tell you to login to System
    >> Administration >> Printers, you can now install your printer


    >> People like me and others similar pushed for it to be better
    >> publicised.


    *LMAO*

    Very precious trolling material there!

    --
    List was current at time of printing.

  19. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    Chris Ahlstrom writes:

    > After takin' a swig o' grog, High Plains Thumper belched out
    > this bit o' wisdom:
    >
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>> Terry Porter writes:
    >>>
    >>>> If you buy the cheapest Windows only junk, sure you'll
    >>>> probably have trouble, so don't be dumb like the Flatfish
    >>>> Troll here, do your research first and have a *perfect*
    >>>> outcome with Linux.
    >>>
    >>> garbage. Until recently (and there are still issues) setting
    >>> up printers in Ubuntu and debian was hit and miss. No one knew
    >>> whether to use Gnome interfaces or web based cups. And of
    >>> course the Ubuntu team disabled browser based CUPs admin.

    >>
    >> Indeed, way to go "Linux security magnate", "software QA
    >> consultant", "Usenet etiquette provocateur", "true Linux
    >> advocate", "Debian distro governor", "kernel hacker", "emacs
    >> user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk
    >> server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician",
    >> "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
    >> culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka
    >> Richard, aka Damian O'Leary.
    >>
    >> Ubuntu sets up CUPS by default and autodetects printers during
    >> installation.
    >>
    >>> You really know nothing about anything outside of your small
    >>> basement.

    >
    > Either Hadron /really/ doesn't use Linux enough to matter, as Peter


    Yet enough to put you right on several things in debian group. Stop
    kissing the COLA gang's arse.

    > maintains, or he's just making stuff up to get a rise out of people.


    I make NOTHING up. It's all in Google. If you could be arsed to look
    *properly*. I even posted a link.

    Which bit of this confuses you:

    "Ubuntu team disabled browser based CUPs admin"

    Its up there in front of High Plains Hypocrite's ridiculous reply. The
    one you shilled without checking context yet again.

    But for your edification AND delight:

    ***** http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2126.html ******


    Be a man and admit you were wrong for a change. I doubt you will.

    You bring it on yourself, you really do.

    --
    "I hate Linux and Linux advocacy I hate Linux and Linux
    advocacy I hate Linux and Linux advocacy "
    -- High Plains Thumper in comp.os.linux.advocacy

  20. Re: Printing Resolved...Linux behind the curve again...

    Chris Ahlstrom writes:

    > After takin' a swig o' grog, High Plains Thumper belched out
    > this bit o' wisdom:
    >
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> garbage. Until recently (and there are still issues)
    >>>>>>> setting up printers in Ubuntu and debian was hit and
    >>>>>>> miss. No one knew whether to use Gnome interfaces or
    >>>>>>> web based cups. And of course the Ubuntu team disabled
    >>>>>>> browser based CUPs admin.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Ubuntu sets up CUPS by default and autodetects printers
    >>>>>> during installation.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So you deny what I said about the CUPS web interface?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Poor High Plains Hypocrite. Wrong again.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/10/...min-interface/
    >>>>>
    >>>> Yeah, right: [Hadron snip reinstated]

    >
    > You missed this at that link:
    >
    > Well it is obvious the cupsys web admin interface is disabled due to
    > security issues. The easy way to get into accessing a printer is that
    > you got to give the root account a password do a
    >
    > sudo /bin/bash - you will get root access
    > passwd root - you can set the root password
    >
    > cow you can try accessing the cupsys http://localhost:631, you can
    > use root and password, but then it will tell you to login to System
    > >> Administration >> Printers, you can now install your printer

    >
    >>> People like me and others similar pushed for it to be better
    >>> publicised.

    >
    > *LMAO*
    >
    > Very precious trolling material there!


    You can be a real idiot.

    There were hundreds of people with the same issues.

    They needed to be solved and documented in replies and howtos.

    The kind of wankers who inhabit COLA just sat there blinking saying
    "works for me". Well, it didn't work for all the others.

    See other reply for links.

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    have a place to *visit* her."
    -- "tiny dancer" in alt.true-crime, comp.os.linux.advocacy

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