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  1. The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move


    The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move
    Thursday, October 02 2008 @ 06:01 AM EDT
    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...80825162905645

    "Guess what the SC 34 committee, the ISO/IEC committee responsible for
    OOXML, is up to now? I call it a takeover attempt of ODF, according to my
    reading of the published notes of the most recent meeting held yesterday,
    October 1st, and starring a document titled "Request to JTC 1 for
    alignment of OASIS and JTC 1 Maintenance Procedures." Uh oh. That sounds
    polite, but it is what it is. An attempted coup."

    [Thelinuxshow] "Sun Sells Out Open Office to Microsoft"

    Ever since Microsoft shut-up the rhetoric of Scott McNealy with their
    ripoff fee of $2 billion, I knew that OpenOffice.org was not parked in the
    right spot. And there was a hidden reason that Microsoft went into the
    belly of the beast back then :

    http://mailman.ibssnet.com/pipermail...er/thread.html

    Robert M. Stockmann thelinuxshow@mailman.ibssnet.com
    Mon, 20 Sep 2004 00:35:09 +0200 (CEST)

    Hi,

    on linuxelectrons the editors started a interesting
    thread :

    "Sun Sells Out Open Office to Microsoft"
    http://www.linuxelectrons.com/articl...40914141417417

    where they presumably state that Sun Sells Out Open Office to Microsoft.
    I would say Sun has received a large amount of cash from Microsoft and in
    return handed over to Microsoft the legal right to sue Anyone over Open
    Office (Technology) except Sun itself.

    Thats a typical pay-off deal?

    There's a official SEC Filing on this at :
    http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...3/dex10109.htm


    "EX-10.109 6 dex10109.htm
    LIMITED PATENT COVENANT AND STAND-STILL AGREEMENT DATED APRIL, 2004 ,
    Exhibit 10.109
    Sun and Microsoft Confidential "

    in which i find the following two Sections interesting, and maybe
    alarming :

    "
    IV. PROVISIONS RELATING TO OPEN OFFICE

    1. Notwithstanding the other provisions of this Agreement, with respect
    solely to the product developed by Sun and generally known as Open
    Office, the Covenants of Section II above and the Releases of Section III
    above shall apply fully to Sun but shall not apply to Authorized
    Licensees of Open Office or any other third party. Accordingly, Microsoft
    shall not be foreclosed by this Agreement from seeking damages from
    Authorized Licensees of Open Office for copies of Open Office made or
    acquired prior to the Effective Date of this Agreement. Nor shall
    Microsoft be foreclosed from seeking any damages from Sun, its
    Affiliates, Authorized Licensees or any third party for any copies of
    Open Office made or deployed by a User after the Effective Date.

    2. In the event that Microsoft elects to sue or otherwise seek recovery
    from an Authorized Licensee of Open Office for copies thereof that were
    made and deployed by a User prior to the Effective Date of this Agreement
    ("Deployed Copies"), upon request, Microsoft agrees to promptly reimburse
    Sun for any "

    "
    V. PROVISIONS RELATING TO CLONE PRODUCTS AND FOUNDRY PRODUCTS

    Clone Products and Foundry Products shall be treated under this Agreement
    in the same manner as products until April 1, 2007, after which they
    shall be treated in the same manner as Open Office. "

    Anyone with access to a lawyer to clarify this ?

    Regards,

    Robert
    --
    Robert M. Stockmann - RHCE
    Network Engineer - UNIX/Linux Specialist
    crashrecovery.org stock@stokkie.net


  2. Re: The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move

    On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:17:54 +0200, Robert M. Stockmann wrote:

    >
    > The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move
    > Thursday, October 02 2008 @ 06:01 AM EDT
    > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...80825162905645
    >
    > "Guess what the SC 34 committee, the ISO/IEC committee responsible for
    > OOXML, is up to now? I call it a takeover attempt of ODF, according to my
    > reading of the published notes of the most recent meeting held yesterday,
    > October 1st, and starring a document titled "Request to JTC 1 for
    > alignment of OASIS and JTC 1 Maintenance Procedures." Uh oh. That sounds
    > polite, but it is what it is. An attempted coup."
    >
    > [Thelinuxshow] "Sun Sells Out Open Office to Microsoft"
    >
    > Ever since Microsoft shut-up the rhetoric of Scott McNealy with their
    > ripoff fee of $2 billion, I knew that OpenOffice.org was not parked in the
    > right spot. And there was a hidden reason that Microsoft went into the
    > belly of the beast back then :
    >
    > http://mailman.ibssnet.com/pipermail...er/thread.html
    >
    > Robert M. Stockmann thelinuxshow@mailman.ibssnet.com
    > Mon, 20 Sep 2004 00:35:09 +0200 (CEST)
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > on linuxelectrons the editors started a interesting
    > thread :
    >
    > "Sun Sells Out Open Office to Microsoft"
    > http://www.linuxelectrons.com/articl...40914141417417
    >
    > where they presumably state that Sun Sells Out Open Office to Microsoft.
    > I would say Sun has received a large amount of cash from Microsoft and in
    > return handed over to Microsoft the legal right to sue Anyone over Open
    > Office (Technology) except Sun itself.
    >
    > Thats a typical pay-off deal?
    >
    > There's a official SEC Filing on this at :
    > http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...3/dex10109.htm
    >
    >
    > "EX-10.109 6 dex10109.htm
    > LIMITED PATENT COVENANT AND STAND-STILL AGREEMENT DATED APRIL, 2004 ,
    > Exhibit 10.109
    > Sun and Microsoft Confidential "
    >
    > in which i find the following two Sections interesting, and maybe
    > alarming :
    >
    > "
    > IV. PROVISIONS RELATING TO OPEN OFFICE
    >
    > 1. Notwithstanding the other provisions of this Agreement, with respect
    > solely to the product developed by Sun and generally known as Open
    > Office, the Covenants of Section II above and the Releases of Section III
    > above shall apply fully to Sun but shall not apply to Authorized
    > Licensees of Open Office or any other third party. Accordingly, Microsoft
    > shall not be foreclosed by this Agreement from seeking damages from
    > Authorized Licensees of Open Office for copies of Open Office made or
    > acquired prior to the Effective Date of this Agreement. Nor shall
    > Microsoft be foreclosed from seeking any damages from Sun, its
    > Affiliates, Authorized Licensees or any third party for any copies of
    > Open Office made or deployed by a User after the Effective Date.
    >
    > 2. In the event that Microsoft elects to sue or otherwise seek recovery
    > from an Authorized Licensee of Open Office for copies thereof that were
    > made and deployed by a User prior to the Effective Date of this Agreement
    > ("Deployed Copies"), upon request, Microsoft agrees to promptly reimburse
    > Sun for any "
    >
    > "
    > V. PROVISIONS RELATING TO CLONE PRODUCTS AND FOUNDRY PRODUCTS
    >
    > Clone Products and Foundry Products shall be treated under this Agreement
    > in the same manner as products until April 1, 2007, after which they
    > shall be treated in the same manner as Open Office. "
    >
    > Anyone with access to a lawyer to clarify this ?
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Robert
    > --
    > Robert M. Stockmann - RHCE
    > Network Engineer - UNIX/Linux Specialist
    > crashrecovery.org stock@stokkie.net


    Meeks: Measuring the true success of OpenOffice.org
    [Posted October 10, 2008 by corbet]
    http://lwn.net/Articles/302576/

    Oh my, OO.org is suffering from developer input. How sad. Who else got the
    big smile Ballmer ripoff fee besides Sun then? Why would Meeks at Novell
    now be complaining about this? My advice : Stay clear of Novell as well.

    Robert
    --
    Robert M. Stockmann - RHCE
    Network Engineer - UNIX/Linux Specialist
    crashrecovery.org stock@stokkie.net

  3. Re: The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move

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    ____/ Robert M. Stockmann on Saturday 11 October 2008 07:28 : \____

    > Oh my, OO.org is suffering from developer input. How sad. Who else got the
    > big smile Ballmer ripoff fee besides Sun then? Why would Meeks at Novell
    > now be complaining about this? My advice : Stay clear of Novell as well.


    I've just got some input. Novell is officially -- in the practical sense --
    hijacking OOo now, forking OOo for embedment of Microsoft IP and hooks.

    I told you before... boycott Novell. It's fed by Microsoft and it serves
    Microsoft now. Expect a war of words on the Internet next week.

    - --
    ~~ Best of wishes

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  4. Re: The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move


    "Roy Schestowitz" wrote in message
    news:1838612.fuUPdkBCM5@schestowitz.com...
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    > ____/ Robert M. Stockmann on Saturday 11 October 2008 07:28 : \____
    >
    >> Oh my, OO.org is suffering from developer input. How sad. Who else got
    >> the
    >> big smile Ballmer ripoff fee besides Sun then? Why would Meeks at Novell
    >> now be complaining about this? My advice : Stay clear of Novell as well.

    >
    > I've just got some input.


    Not that there's anything wrong with that.


    > Novell is officially -- in the practical sense --


    What an idiot. It's official... except that it's not official because it's
    only in "the practical sense."





  5. Re: The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move

    In article ,
    "Robert M. Stockmann" wrote:
    > Robert M. Stockmann thelinuxshow@mailman.ibssnet.com
    > Mon, 20 Sep 2004 00:35:09 +0200 (CEST)
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > on linuxelectrons the editors started a interesting
    > thread :
    >
    > "Sun Sells Out Open Office to Microsoft"
    > http://www.linuxelectrons.com/articl...40914141417417
    >
    > where they presumably state that Sun Sells Out Open Office to Microsoft.
    > I would say Sun has received a large amount of cash from Microsoft and in
    > return handed over to Microsoft the legal right to sue Anyone over Open
    > Office (Technology) except Sun itself.


    That's not correct. If someone owns a patent and thinks that OO
    infringes it, they can sue. All Sun was doing there was making a deal
    that MS would not go after Sun for patent infringement.

    --
    --Tim Smith

  6. Re: The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move

    On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:04:16 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    > "Roy Schestowitz" wrote in message
    > news:1838612.fuUPdkBCM5@schestowitz.com...
    >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
    >> Hash: SHA1
    >>
    >> ____/ Robert M. Stockmann on Saturday 11 October 2008 07:28 : \____
    >>
    >>> Oh my, OO.org is suffering from developer input. How sad. Who else got
    >>> the
    >>> big smile Ballmer ripoff fee besides Sun then? Why would Meeks at Novell
    >>> now be complaining about this? My advice : Stay clear of Novell as well.

    >>
    >> I've just got some input.

    >
    > Not that there's anything wrong with that.
    >
    >
    >> Novell is officially -- in the practical sense --

    >
    > What an idiot. It's official... except that it's not official because it's
    > only in "the practical sense."


    If you gave Schestowitz a round, cast iron cannon ball he could find some
    way to convince himself it was square and was actually an original missing
    piece of Stonehenge.

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
    Please Visit www.linsux.org

  7. Re: The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move

    Micoshaft asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Ezekiel
    wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Department of Marketing:


    > What an idiot.



    I thought you were the only idiot after jumping up and down
    and screeming at all Linux Advocates and calling them idiot.

    What for?
    So that micoshaft can pay you a few asstroturfing dollars?

    Asstroturfing is illegal as of 26 May 2008 in EU.

    The USA should toe the line and ban corporate asstroturfing
    precisely for the reasons that your posts highlight.



  8. Re: The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move

    In article <1lo1uknnzgv48$.1ahcnuj9or4vu.dlg@40tude.net>,
    "Moshe Goldfarb." wrote:
    > If you gave Schestowitz a round, cast iron cannon ball he could find some
    > way to convince himself it was square and was actually an original missing
    > piece of Stonehenge.


    ....that was stolen from Stonehenge by Microsoft.


    --
    --Tim Smith

  9. Re: The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move

    On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:45:06 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:

    > In article <1lo1uknnzgv48$.1ahcnuj9or4vu.dlg@40tude.net>,
    > "Moshe Goldfarb." wrote:
    >> If you gave Schestowitz a round, cast iron cannon ball he could find some
    >> way to convince himself it was square and was actually an original missing
    >> piece of Stonehenge.

    >
    > ...that was stolen from Stonehenge by Microsoft.


    Yea!
    Somehow Roy will figure a way to blame Microsoft.

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
    Please Visit www.linsux.org

  10. Re: The Microsoft-Stacked SC 34 Committee Makes a Move

    On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 00:14:27 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:


    > Good for him he lives in Canada. It's harsh further down and in the EU he can
    > be put in jail for all that AstroTurfing.


    You would be the first person they will go after Schestowitz.


    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
    Please Visit www.linsux.org

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