Dave U. Random writes:

> Wanting to buy a new PC I searched for one that has XP drivers available for it so I can ditch Vista which is ussually loaded on the thing. Problem is, it's harder and harder to find PC's which have both XP and Vista drivers, most new designs only have Vista drivers available for them. This spells disaster for the PC makers since people will simply stop buying PC's if they don't have the option to downgrade to XP.
>
> I recently downgraded someone's laptop (a high end HP laptop) to XP, and another person asked me to help them downgrading their Vista laptop to XP as well. Even if Vista is being sold with new PC's, virtually no one uses it in the wild.
>

And it never crossed your mind to Google up the XP drivers for the HW?

Nice nym btw.

Hadron wrote:

>
> Dave U. Random writes:
>
>> Wanting to buy a new PC I searched for one that has XP drivers available
>> for it so I can ditch Vista which is ussually loaded on the thing.
>> Problem is, it's harder and harder to find PC's which have both XP and
>> Vista drivers, most new designs only have Vista drivers available for
>> them. This spells disaster for the PC makers since people will simply
>> stop buying PC's if they don't have the option to downgrade to XP.
>>
>> I recently downgraded someone's laptop (a high end HP laptop) to XP, and
>> another person asked me to help them downgrading their Vista laptop to XP
>> as well. Even if Vista is being sold with new PC's, virtually no one uses
>> it in the wild.
>>
>
> And it never crossed your mind to Google up the XP drivers for the HW?

Certainly. After all, it is soooo easy to find drivers which the hardware
makers don't supply
Isn't this what you wintendo fanbois are telling all day: With windows it is
*easy* to set up a machine. All hardware works, because the drivers are
supplied.
You might have to discard last years brand new printer perhaps, because you
can't get Vista drivers for it. Or, to still use it (along with your nearly
new scanner) you upgrade to XP and then can't get certain PC stuff to work

Nice driver situation you've got there

Spot the flaws

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The unsaid part of what you're thinking.

Peter Köhlmann writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>>
>> Dave U. Random writes:
>>
>>> Wanting to buy a new PC I searched for one that has XP drivers available
>>> for it so I can ditch Vista which is ussually loaded on the thing.
>>> Problem is, it's harder and harder to find PC's which have both XP and
>>> Vista drivers, most new designs only have Vista drivers available for
>>> them. This spells disaster for the PC makers since people will simply
>>> stop buying PC's if they don't have the option to downgrade to XP.
>>>
>>> I recently downgraded someone's laptop (a high end HP laptop) to XP, and
>>> another person asked me to help them downgrading their Vista laptop to XP
>>> as well. Even if Vista is being sold with new PC's, virtually no one uses
>>> it in the wild.
>>>
>>
>> And it never crossed your mind to Google up the XP drivers for the HW?
>
> Certainly. After all, it is soooo easy to find drivers which the hardware
> makers don't supply

Erm, if they dont supply the drivers then dont buy that HW for XP
downgrades.

Its quite common here to hear "check the compatibility before installing
Linux". And sage advice it is too.


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Hadron wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dave U. Random writes:
>>>
>>>> Wanting to buy a new PC I searched for one that has XP drivers
>>>> available for it so I can ditch Vista which is ussually loaded on the
>>>> thing. Problem is, it's harder and harder to find PC's which have both
>>>> XP and Vista drivers, most new designs only have Vista drivers
>>>> available for them. This spells disaster for the PC makers since people
>>>> will simply stop buying PC's if they don't have the option to downgrade
>>>> to XP.
>>>>
>>>> I recently downgraded someone's laptop (a high end HP laptop) to XP,
>>>> and another person asked me to help them downgrading their Vista laptop
>>>> to XP as well. Even if Vista is being sold with new PC's, virtually no
>>>> one uses it in the wild.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And it never crossed your mind to Google up the XP drivers for the HW?
>>
>> Certainly. After all, it is soooo easy to find drivers which the hardware
>> makers don't supply
>
> Erm, if they dont supply the drivers then dont buy that HW for XP
> downgrades.

So, why then google for the XP drivers? Either you know before that the
hardware is supported, or you are in the exact same postion I described

> Its quite common here to hear "check the compatibility before installing
> Linux". And sage advice it is too.
>

What happened to the "windows just works" mantra of you windroids and
win-fanbois?
Face it, HAdron Quark, windows no longer "just works". And does not since
quite some time. You're actually lucky if you find drivers for hardware
which is just 1 year old, as way too often the MW manufacturers don't
bother to supply new drivers.
They are too occupied with the alpha-quality drivers of their "new" hardware
--
Linux: Because rebooting is for adding new hardware

Peter Köhlmann writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Peter Köhlmann writes:
>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave U. Random writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Wanting to buy a new PC I searched for one that has XP drivers
>>>>> available for it so I can ditch Vista which is ussually loaded on the
>>>>> thing. Problem is, it's harder and harder to find PC's which have both
>>>>> XP and Vista drivers, most new designs only have Vista drivers
>>>>> available for them. This spells disaster for the PC makers since people
>>>>> will simply stop buying PC's if they don't have the option to downgrade
>>>>> to XP.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently downgraded someone's laptop (a high end HP laptop) to XP,
>>>>> and another person asked me to help them downgrading their Vista laptop
>>>>> to XP as well. Even if Vista is being sold with new PC's, virtually no
>>>>> one uses it in the wild.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And it never crossed your mind to Google up the XP drivers for the HW?
>>>
>>> Certainly. After all, it is soooo easy to find drivers which the hardware
>>> makers don't supply
>>
>> Erm, if they dont supply the drivers then dont buy that HW for XP
>> downgrades.
>
> So, why then google for the XP drivers? Either you know before that the
> hardware is supported, or you are in the exact same postion I
> described

Wrong. You can have the HW and not "know". Googling will almost
certainly reveal a solution. You know as well as I do that there will be
drivers for 99.99999999% of HW out there for XP.

How can it not be so?

XP is the dominant marketplace OS by a long way.

>
>> Its quite common here to hear "check the compatibility before installing
>> Linux". And sage advice it is too.
>>
>
> What happened to the "windows just works" mantra of you windroids and
> win-fanbois?
> Face it, HAdron Quark, windows no longer "just works". And does not since
> quite some time. You're actually lucky if you find drivers for hardware
> which is just 1 year old, as way too often the MW manufacturers don't
> bother to supply new drivers.
> They are too occupied with the alpha-quality drivers of their "new"
> hardware

I think Vista is a piece of junk. XP worked well for me when I used it.

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After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter Köhlmann belched out
this bit o' wisdom:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Its quite common here to hear "check the compatibility before installing
>> Linux". And sage advice it is too.

Sounds more like rosemary to me.

> What happened to the "windows just works" mantra of you windroids and
> win-fanbois?
> Face it, HAdron Quark, windows no longer "just works". And does not since
> quite some time. You're actually lucky if you find drivers for hardware
> which is just 1 year old, as way too often the MW manufacturers don't
> bother to supply new drivers.
> They are too occupied with the alpha-quality drivers of their "new" hardware

PC manufacturers are driven by feature-itis, squeezed by low profit
margins, fighting a migration to ultra-portable devices, carrying an
800-lb gorilla. And just when they got some stability on the Windows
side, the gorilla goes ape**** on 'em with Vista.

I wonder how many of those 6 Gb 64-bit Vista systems Office Depot is
selling at "COMPUTER BLOWOUT" prices? Office Depot hitched its wagon to
the Microsoft monkey, and it's been downhill ever since.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=O...urce=undefined

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"Dave U. Random" wrote in message
news:4f1c6dd3c45b4bc56ffe3d556ab5e270@anonymitaet-im-inter.net...
> Wanting to buy a new PC I searched for one that has XP drivers available
> for it so I can ditch Vista which is ussually loaded on the thing. Problem
> is, it's harder and harder to find PC's which have both XP and Vista
> drivers, most new designs only have Vista drivers available for them. This
> spells disaster for the PC makers since people will simply stop buying
> PC's if they don't have the option to downgrade to XP.
>
> I recently downgraded someone's laptop (a high end HP laptop) to XP, and
> another person asked me to help them downgrading their Vista laptop to XP
> as well. Even if Vista is being sold with new PC's, virtually no one uses
> it in the wild.
>

Specifically what hardware only has Vista drivers but not XP drivers?
Everything that I've bought in the last year has drivers for both.

On 2008-10-10, Hadron wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dave U. Random writes:
>>>
>>>> Wanting to buy a new PC I searched for one that has XP drivers available
>>>> for it so I can ditch Vista which is ussually loaded on the thing.
>>>> Problem is, it's harder and harder to find PC's which have both XP and
>>>> Vista drivers, most new designs only have Vista drivers available for
>>>> them. This spells disaster for the PC makers since people will simply
>>>> stop buying PC's if they don't have the option to downgrade to XP.
>>>>
>>>> I recently downgraded someone's laptop (a high end HP laptop) to XP, and
>>>> another person asked me to help them downgrading their Vista laptop to XP
>>>> as well. Even if Vista is being sold with new PC's, virtually no one uses
>>>> it in the wild.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And it never crossed your mind to Google up the XP drivers for the HW?
>>
>> Certainly. After all, it is soooo easy to find drivers which the hardware
>> makers don't supply
>
> Erm, if they dont supply the drivers then dont buy that HW for XP
> downgrades.
>
> Its quite common here to hear "check the compatibility before installing
> Linux". And sage advice it is too.

Yeah, but this is the "market leader" and the "monopoly" we're
talking about here. What's the point of bothering with McOS if you
can't be sure it will "run everything". "Running everything" was the
whole point of WinDOS to begin with.

Runnng badly is one thing. Not running at all just plain pathetic...

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Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> Face it, HAdron Quark, windows no longer "just works". And does not
> since quite some time. You're actually lucky if you find drivers for
> hardware which is just 1 year old, as way too often the MW
> manufacturers don't bother to supply new drivers.

Give us 3 examples, luser.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:21:11 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dave U. Random writes:
>>>
>>>> Wanting to buy a new PC I searched for one that has XP drivers available
>>>> for it so I can ditch Vista which is ussually loaded on the thing.
>>>> Problem is, it's harder and harder to find PC's which have both XP and
>>>> Vista drivers, most new designs only have Vista drivers available for
>>>> them. This spells disaster for the PC makers since people will simply
>>>> stop buying PC's if they don't have the option to downgrade to XP.
>>>>
>>>> I recently downgraded someone's laptop (a high end HP laptop) to XP, and
>>>> another person asked me to help them downgrading their Vista laptop to XP
>>>> as well. Even if Vista is being sold with new PC's, virtually no one uses
>>>> it in the wild.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And it never crossed your mind to Google up the XP drivers for the HW?
>>
>> Certainly. After all, it is soooo easy to find drivers which the hardware
>> makers don't supply
>
> Erm, if they dont supply the drivers then dont buy that HW for XP
> downgrades.

Exactly.

> Its quite common here to hear "check the compatibility before installing
> Linux". And sage advice it is too.

Linux users have no choice.
The sad part is, even when their hardware is *supported*, the level of
support and features that will completely work with Linux sometimes differs
compared to the same hardware under Windows.

Sometimes even when the hardware is pre loaded with Linux, things don't
work correctly.

Imagine turning on your brand new laptop that is pre loaded with Linux,
from the manufacturer, only to be met with a readme file that details all
the features that don't work with Linux.

Talk about box it up and return time.


--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
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DFS wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>> Face it, HAdron Quark, windows no longer "just works". And does not
>> since quite some time. You're actually lucky if you find drivers for
>> hardware which is just 1 year old, as way too often the MW
>> manufacturers don't bother to supply new drivers.
>
> Give us 3 examples, luser.

Here is a Hadron Quark advice: Google them

--
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After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter Köhlmann belched out
this bit o' wisdom:

> DFS wrote:
>
>> Peter K?hlmann wrote:
>>
>>> Face it, HAdron Quark, windows no longer "just works". And does not
>>> since quite some time. You're actually lucky if you find drivers for
>>> hardware which is just 1 year old, as way too often the MW
>>> manufacturers don't bother to supply new drivers.
>>
>> Give us 3 examples, luser.
>
> Here is a Hadron Quark advice: Google them

"not supported by Vista"

Results 1 - 10 of about 946 for "not supported by Vista"

Hardly comprehensive or precise, though.

--
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drops of blood form on your forehead.
-- Gene Fowler

Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> DFS wrote:
>
>> Peter Khlmann wrote:
>>
>>> Face it, HAdron Quark, windows no longer "just works". And does not
>>> since quite some time. You're actually lucky if you find drivers for
>>> hardware which is just 1 year old, as way too often the MW
>>> manufacturers don't bother to supply new drivers.
>>
>> Give us 3 examples, luser.
>
> Here is a Hadron Quark advice: Google them

So you're a lazy liar.

Figures.

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Peter Köhlmann

wrote
on Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:51:19 +0200
<48efa427$0$6612$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net>:
> DFS wrote:
>
>> Peter K?hlmann wrote:
>>
>>> Face it, HAdron Quark, windows no longer "just works". And does not
>>> since quite some time. You're actually lucky if you find drivers for
>>> hardware which is just 1 year old, as way too often the MW
>>> manufacturers don't bother to supply new drivers.
>>
>> Give us 3 examples, luser.
>
> Here is a Hadron Quark advice: Google them
>

You're going to have to do slightly better than that. ;-)
Not that it's impossible, of course; nor is it clear to
me what DFS actually wants, apart from us acknowledging
that Linux is a piece of horrid junk (which of course it
isn't) and that Windows Vista betters it in all respects
(which it clearly doesn't, according to the below articles).

One entry Google coughs up is at

http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/inde...howtopic=10334

which shows three broad categories of "hardwares":

- Compatible Hardwares
- (Hardwares with) Problems which can be solved
- Inompatible (sic) Hardwares with heavy problems

The list of devices is incomplete but might be useful
to some.

Another list coughed up is at:

http://reviews.ebay.com/Windows-Vist...00000004259869

A slightly bizarre thread also showed up:

http://www.vistax64.com/vista-hardwa...ompatible.html

or

http://www.eggheadcafe.com/software/...incompati.aspx

Apparently the original post by "DaleTang"/"DaleTango"
relates to a brand new Vaio (this is dated December
2007, and he is not more specific; a quick pullup of
Sonystyle.com suggests JS, LV, RT, LT series on the
desktop, and TZ, Z, SR, CS, NS, FW, and AR series on
notebooks), which for reason or reasons unknown is
(now?) unable to see the CD/DVD unit in Windows Vista,
or boot from the CD/DVD unit (the article isn't horribly
clear on that point since during booting one would expect
a BIOS control screen, not the Windows device manager).

It is possible a "transparent" upgrade got into the
works, and may have fouled things up; DaleTango's third
post states that "its literally a month old and working
fine just a few days ago. Took no knocks or anything".
(This contradicts his point of it being brand new in the
first post, but such is a very minor quibble; certainly a
laptop that's a month old shouldn't get outdated drivers
during an update. Should it??)

For its part Dell offers
http://support.euro.dell.com/support...372&l=en&s=gen

(dunno if this is specific to Europe or not); one of the
more interesting incompatibilities is Earthlink. Of
course I use Earthlink through hardware NAT anyway, so
have no real use for their actual software.

One of the more amusing (in a schadenfreudenlich way,
anyway) entries:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ows_vista.html

or

http://www.nforcershq.com/zune-incom...causes-a-stir/

Oops! One hopes this has been fixed by now, as the
articles are dated Nov 2006, but that has to be
slightly embarrassing for all concerned, especially
for whoever is flat on the grass...

Here's a call for help from a user who is using
a USB modem:

http://help.lockergnome.com/vista/Mo...topict866.html

Apparently this is an ADSL unit supported by British Telecom.
Not good, if one wants to get online in Great Britain and
has Vista and this modem. I hope the user has/had a few
free dialup hours and a lot of patience...

Another call for help....one has to ask the obvious
question as to how the screen can display an incompatibility
message if the screen driver doesn't exist to display
the message. Of course the obvious answer is that it's
using VGA/VESA or some such, but I thought only Linux
gives out partial functionality for hardware, with Vista
taking full advantage of all of the goodness of a user's
components or something...

http://www.technologyquestions.com/t...en-driver.html

So Windows just works, transparently, obviously.

Not.

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DFS wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Khlmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> Face it, HAdron Quark, windows no longer "just works". And does not
>>>> since quite some time. You're actually lucky if you find drivers for
>>>> hardware which is just 1 year old, as way too often the MW
>>>> manufacturers don't bother to supply new drivers.
>>>
>>> Give us 3 examples, luser.
>>
>> Here is a Hadron Quark advice: Google them
>
> So you're a lazy liar.
>
> Figures.

Go tell that your hero Hadron Quark.
--
I doubt, therefore I might be.

Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> DFS wrote:
>
>> Peter Khlmann wrote:
>>> DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter Khlmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Face it, HAdron Quark, windows no longer "just works". And does
>>>>> not since quite some time. You're actually lucky if you find
>>>>> drivers for hardware which is just 1 year old, as way too often
>>>>> the MW manufacturers don't bother to supply new drivers.
>>>>
>>>> Give us 3 examples, luser.
>>>
>>> Here is a Hadron Quark advice: Google them
>>
>> So you're a lazy liar.
>>
>> Figures.
>
> Go tell that your hero Hadron Quark.

What does Hadron have to do with anything? It's you making claims you won't
support.

DFS wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Khlmann wrote:
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Peter Khlmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Face it, HAdron Quark, windows no longer "just works". And does
>>>>>> not since quite some time. You're actually lucky if you find
>>>>>> drivers for hardware which is just 1 year old, as way too often
>>>>>> the MW manufacturers don't bother to supply new drivers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Give us 3 examples, luser.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a Hadron Quark advice: Google them
>>>
>>> So you're a lazy liar.
>>>
>>> Figures.
>>
>> Go tell that your hero Hadron Quark.
>
> What does Hadron have to do with anything? It's you making claims you
> won't support.

And this would be different from Hadron Quarks behaviour? He does it *all*
*the* *time*
I am at least supplying proof now and then, when I am feeling generous.
He simply does never. Hadron Quark is lying his ass off whith lunatic
claims, and you guys applaud him

So, here again: Do like Hadron Quark says: Google it yourself
After all, you are the one who can't get even simple google search strings
right, so do some pratice
--
Support your local Search and Rescue unit -- get lost.

"Peter Köhlmann" stated in post
48efa427$0$6612$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net on 10/10/08 11:51 AM:

> DFS wrote:
>
>> Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>
>>> Face it, HAdron Quark, windows no longer "just works". And does not
>>> since quite some time. You're actually lucky if you find drivers for
>>> hardware which is just 1 year old, as way too often the MW
>>> manufacturers don't bother to supply new drivers.
>>
>> Give us 3 examples, luser.
>
> Here is a Hadron Quark advice: Google them

What happened for your passion for message IDs, Peter?

Oh.

You are a hypocrite.


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"Peter Köhlmann" stated in post
48f0b4b0$0$6603$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net on 10/11/08 7:14 AM:

> DFS wrote:
>
>> Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>> DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter Khlmann wrote:
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Khlmann wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Face it, HAdron Quark, windows no longer "just works". And does
>>>>>>> not since quite some time. You're actually lucky if you find
>>>>>>> drivers for hardware which is just 1 year old, as way too often
>>>>>>> the MW manufacturers don't bother to supply new drivers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Give us 3 examples, luser.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a Hadron Quark advice: Google them
>>>>
>>>> So you're a lazy liar.
>>>>
>>>> Figures.
>>>
>>> Go tell that your hero Hadron Quark.
>>
>> What does Hadron have to do with anything? It's you making claims you
>> won't support.
>
> And this would be different from Hadron Quarks behaviour? He does it *all*
> *the* *time*

What you think others do or do not do is irrelevant, Peter.

The fact is you make claims you will not support. You, Peter. You make
accusations you cannot support. You simply make things up, Peter.

You are a liar.

That is the fact that is relevant here. You are a liar.

> I am at least supplying proof now and then, when I am feeling generous.
> He simply does never. Hadron Quark is lying his ass off whith lunatic
> claims, and you guys applaud him
>
> So, here again: Do like Hadron Quark says: Google it yourself
> After all, you are the one who can't get even simple google search strings
> right, so do some pratice



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