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  1. [News] Evil Google to Patent Software Against the Law (India)

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    Google seeks patent on networking site

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    | NEW DELHI: World's most visited Internet search site Google has filed a
    | patent application in the country for its recently developed social network
    | site based on user preferences and format performance data.
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    http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/29/stor...2950140100.htm

    Microsoft is already breaking the law in this way in South Africa and India (at
    the very least).


    Recent:

    Will patenting take the byte out of IT here?

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    | Picture this. Indian mathematicians came up with the concept of the “zero” —
    | often touted as India’s greatest contribution to civilisation — and got a
    | patent for it. By now they would have raked in inestimable amounts in
    | royalty. Seems preposterous? Members of the Free Software community say that
    | patenting every other algorithm would be somewhat in the same league.
    |
    | While there has been substantial discussion on how patents will affect the
    | pharmaceutical sector, there has been little debate about its implications on
    | the software industry. To the layman, software patenting sounds like an
    | abstract issue applicable to an even more abstract domain. However, with a
    | growing software industry which is trying to spread its indigenous roots, the
    | issue becomes an important one.
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    http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/24/stor...2461910300.htm


    The Free Software Movement

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    | Had been to Gnu/Linux Habba today, it elicited quite a good response from the
    | student community, compared to what Im used to from my student days.
    | Gnu/Linux is getting a fair bit of attention, since it is also being viewed
    | as something that can get one a job. The Free Software Movement has grown
    | phenomenally to say the least in the past few years, not least because of
    | events like the Habba.
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    http://wordlimitreached.wordpress.co...ware-movement/


    Techies press for digital freedom struggle

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    | The patenting regime was dominated by a form of lifelong royalty levy in
    | which software was equated with any other artifact—one could patent just
    | about anything: from a single-click buying business method to drop-boxes on a
    | website. “India should avoid the mistakes of the U.S.”
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    http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/22/stor...2259841200.htm


    Behind the doors of the Free Software Foundation

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    | In addition, the FSF is planning to hire a new manager for its End Software
    | Patents campaign. In the near future, the FSF may also hire someone to work
    | on its high-priority projects, trying to encourage the community to become
    | more focused in filling in the gaps in free software.
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    http://www.linux.com/feature/145946


    Microsoft seeks India patent

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    | World's largest software firm Microsoft Corp is seeking an exclusive patent
    | in India for an electronic data snapshot generator, which has been
    | co-invented by an Indian associated with the company.
    |
    | [...]
    |
    | However, the static snapshot is generated by saving only static data
    | associated with the file, Microsoft added.
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    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/B...ow/3454929.cms


    Patent Manual Stake Holder’s Meet - Chennai

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    | With FSF and ILUGC friends, also representing our LoCo Community attended the
    | Patent Manual - Stake Holder’s Meet held at Intellectual Property Office,
    | Guindy, Chennai.
    |
    | The Manual has provisions for bringing in Software Patents in cases what it
    | claims to be “Software combined with Hardware”. We expressed our concerns on
    | it and the ambiguity over the term used.
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    http://amachu.wordpress.com/2008/08/...-meet-chennai/


    FSF India's response to the Draft Patents Manual

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    | Even if other countries made such provisions, India as the world's largest
    | democracy should not create an society where people at large are excluded
    | from participating in creative engagements. As a country with a large human
    | resource, we have a bigger challenge of harnessing more creativity among the
    | country, and that will happen by bringing each and every citizen under
    | creative participation and not by bringing each and every invention under
    | allowable patents category. India should lead the rest of the world by
    | clearly stating in the manual that computer programs are not patentable in
    | India by any other way and are per se protected only under copyright.
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    http://www.gnu.org.in/fsf-indias-res...patents-manual


    Freedom Walk - To claim, ensure and preserve Freedom

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    | Millions of people worked hard and even paid with their lives to earn us the
    | freedom we enjoy today. Is our current generation aware of the value of this
    | freedom? From the lack of social and political sensitivity and the lack of
    | activism in our society it might seem that this is not so. It is as if we are
    | devaluing freedom every day. With the commercialisation of almost every
    | sphere of life, most people are not able to find any time to put in effort to
    | fight this alarming trend. Most, but not everybody. At Zyxware, we have
    | decided to focus our efforts to tackle this issue head on.
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    http://freedomwalk.in/


    Let us say NO to software patents

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    | There are indications that the government is again trying to bring software
    | patents, possibly covertly. The first indication of this has been in the
    | draft Manual of Patent Practice and Procedure published by the Patent Office,
    | India, in which they talk about "software per se" and software in association
    | with hardware. This was repeated in the meeting held in Mumbai which was a
    | consultation organised by the government with the public. Whether this move
    | has been engineered by the bureaucracy or by the government under pressure
    | from big corporates, this is not good for the software industry, especially
    | the small scale sector, in India.
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    http://swatantryam.blogspot.com/2008...e-patents.html


    Candle light vigil against Software Patents

    http://www.gnu.org.in/candle-light-v...ftware-patents


    Say No to Software Patents - Candle light vigil in Bangalore

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    | Software patents are rejected by Indian Parliament in 2005 (Patent Amendment
    | bill 2005). But Indian Government is now trying to push it through back door
    | by bringing a Patent manual. Public consultations on this draft manual is
    | going on in various metros in India. Bangalore Consultation is scheduled for
    | the last week of August.
    |
    | The Candle light vigil to "Say No To Software Patents" is a occasion to raise
    | civil society voice against this back door trojan to Indian patent system.
    |
    | On 23rd August 2008 in front of Town Hall near Corporation Circle, Bangalore.
    | Publicity campaigns will be hosted in various places on 22nd.
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    http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1022228


    Say 'No' to software patents

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    | Nothing could be further from the truth. As explained above, software patents
    | are bad for everyone other than large companies. Each software patent is a
    | potential mine in the path to progress for small software companies. Allowing
    | software patents in the country will be like strewing the path with mines.
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    http://infochangeindia.org/200808137...e-patents.html


    “Say No To Software Patents” Campaign in Bangalore

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    | The Free Software User’s Group, Bangalore is co-ordinating a campaign to “Say
    | No To Software Patents” in India.
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    http://pramode.net/2008/08/14/say-no...-in-bangalore/


    Latha Jishnu: The mouse that bit Microsoft
    PATENTLY ABSURD

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    | Here’s what Gates wrote in an office memorandum in 1991. “If people had
    | understood how patents would be granted when most of today’s ideas were
    | invented, and had taken out patents, the industry would be at a complete
    | standstill today. . . I feel certain that some large company will patent some
    | obvious thing related to interface, object orientation, algorithm,
    | application extension or other crucial technique.”
    |
    | This was the year after Microsoft launched Windows 3.0, the first of its new
    | operating systems that would become hugely popular across the world. Yet,
    | three years down the line, Microsoft had changed from a kitten that was
    | content with copyright protection to an aggressive patents tiger. In 1991,
    | Microsoft had filed fewer than 50 patent applications whereas last year it
    | was awarded 1,637 patents, almost a 12 per cent increase in the number of
    | patents it received in 2006. According to IFI Patent Intelligence, the rise
    | in Microsoft’s patents portfolio bucked the general trend in 2007 when the
    | number of patents issued by the US Patents and Trademark Office dipped by 10
    | per cent. Apparently several thousand of the company’s filings are still
    | pending.
    |
    | All this may prompt the reader to conclude that there is indeed a direct
    | correlation between IPR and growth — and wealth — as the company claims. Not
    | true, says Mark H Webbink, a US Supreme Court lawyer who is a recognised
    | voice on IT issues. Charting the company’s revenues, R&D spending and patent
    | filings from 1985 onwards, he shows that the spike in patent filings occurred
    | long after the Microsoft “had become well established and was being
    | investigated for its monopolistic practices”. Webbink contends that patents
    | did not spur the launch and rapid growth of the mass market software
    | industry. On the other hand, patents have become a threat to software
    | innovation, he warns.
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    http://www.business-standard.com/ind...?autono=330566


    [ILUG-BOM] Software Patents in India

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    | and while we were asleep three patents have been granted to Microsoft
    | by the indian patent office.
    |
    | Just reading the initial brief tells me it this a journalled fs
    | coupled with some seek n sort.
    |
    http://210.210.88.164/patentgrantedS...=0743/DEL/2000
    |
    | This one looks like DRM but could be SSH
    |
    http://210.210.88.164/patentgrantedS...2002/01056/DEL
    |
    | And this one hashes of loaded modules in mem to check that there is no
    | trojan module. DRM? AV?
    |
    http://210.210.88.164/patentgrantedS...2002/01297/DEL
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    http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/...04/064347.html


    An Overview of Software Patenting

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    | According to Richard Stallman, the co-developer of the GNU-Linux operating
    | system and proponent of Free Software says, “Software patents are patents
    | which cover software ideas, ideas which you would use in developing software.
    |
    | [...]
    |
    | Indian Position
    |
    | With respect to computer software, in Patents (Amendment) Act, 2002, the
    | scope of non-patentable subject matter in the Act was amended to include the
    | following: “a mathematical method or a business method or a computer
    | programme per se or algorithms”.
    |
    | [...]
    |
    | India for its part seems to have adopted the more conservative approach of
    | the European patenting norms for software. But the Ordinance definitely has
    | its use and relevance in today’s India, particularly for our growing domestic
    | semi- conductor industry. This, along with judicial tempering might
    | definitely ensure a judicious use of patent protection while allowing the
    | industry to grow through innovations and inventions, thereby, mitigating the
    | risks of trivial patents chocking the life out of real innovations and
    | inventions. This is the reason a patent should always be treated as a “double
    | edged sword”, to be wielded with caution and sensitivity.
    |
    | Now whether, in reality this will be implemented on a rigid basis or will
    | become broad in scope through application (as in the U.S.), and, more
    | importantly, whether the Ordinance would, in fact, result in increased
    | innovation and inventions in the software industry, remains to be seen.
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    http://kinghurst.net/an-overview-of-software-patenting/


    "Full text of Section 3(k) relating to software patents"

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    | Infosys was there and pushing for software patents. They are totally against
    | the open source and free software.
    |
    | Symantec was there and also pushed for software patents.
    |
    | Microsoft was there.
    |
    | The Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) was also pushing for software
    | patents.
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    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?bl...03135646761098


    Briefing Note on the Impact of Software Patents on the Software Industry in
    India

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    | In other industries, research continues up to a point where further research
    | costs too much to be feasible. At this stage, the industry's output
    | merelyconsists of replacing parts that have worn out.
    |
    | However, in the software sector, a computer program that is fully debugged
    | will perform its function forever without requiring maintenance or
    | modification. “What this means is that unlike socks that wear out, and
    | breakfast cereal that is eaten, a particular software product can be sold to
    | a particular customer at most once. If it is to be sold to that customer
    | again, it must be enhanced with new features and functionality.” This
    | inevitably means that even if the industry were to approach maturity, any
    | software company that does not produce new and innovative products will
    | simply run out of customers! Thus, the industry will remain innovative
    | whether or not software patents exist.
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    http://www.sarai.net/research/knowle...areharmful.pdf


    Intellectual Property Regime Stifles Science and Innovation, Nobel Laureates
    Say

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    | Patent monopolies are believed to drive innovation but they actually impede
    | the pace of science and innovation, Stiglitz said. The current “patent
    | thicket,” in which anyone who writes a successful software programme is sued
    | for alleged patent infringement, highlights the current IP system’s failure
    | to encourage innovation, he said.
    |
    | Another problem is that the social returns from innovation do not accord with
    | the private returns associated with the patent system, Stiglitz said. The
    | marginal benefit from innovation is that an idea may become available sooner
    | than it might have. But the person who secures the patent on it wins a
    | long-term monopoly, creating a gap between private and social returns.
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    http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/index.php?p=1129


    Infy, TCS lock horns with Red Hat over IT patent

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    | IT majors like Infosys Technologies Ltd and Tata Consultancy Services (TCS)
    | are opposing the open-source community’s demand that the government drop a
    | clause in the draft patent examination manual as it gives scope for software
    | patenting under the Indian Patent Act of 2003.
    |
    | The IT majors made their opposition clear at a meeting in Delhi, called by
    | the government’s department of industrial policy & promotion on Thursday. The
    | dispute has been sparked by the draft manual that will guide patent examiners
    | in their interpretation of the Indian Patent (Amendment) Act for software.
    | Section 3(K) of the Act clearly says: “A mathematical or business method or a
    | computer programme per se or algorithms are not patentable.”
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    http://www.financialexpress.com/news...patent/340200/


    Stakeholders Meeting on the Draft Patent Manual

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    | Yesterday, the Ministry of Commerce and Industry hosted a "Stakeholders
    | Meeting on the Draft Patent Manual." Around 70 people attended this meeting.
    | The audience was a mix of lawyers, industry associations like CII, FICCI etc,
    | civil society organizations and industry.
    |
    | [...]
    |
    | At this point, the discussion became pretty heated and the chair of the
    | meeting decided to call for a separate meeting on software patents. I'll keep
    | you updated.
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    http://osindia.blogspot.com/2008/07/...ft-patent.html


    Microsoft India MD joins HP

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    | In a major setback to IT giant Microsoft, its India Managing Director(MD)
    | Neelam Dhawan has decided to call it quits and will join Hewlett-Packard
    | (HP).
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    http://infotech.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3108755.cms


    What's up with Microsoft India?

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    | The CVP, MD and all her direct reports made this company a miserable place to
    | work for! They created a feudal fiefdom for themselves.
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    http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2008/05...oft-india.html


    Microsoft influencing partner NGOs to support OOXML in India

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    | Microsoft is encouraging its business partners to promote its Office Open XML
    | specification (OOXML) to the Indian Bureau of Standards (BIS) and Ministry of
    | IT. This move has incensed supporters of the rival OpenDocument Format (ODF)
    | who fear that the "soft" Indian state may not be able to stand up to
    | Microsoft pressure tactics.
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    http://www.linux.com/feature/128528
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  2. Re: [News] Evil Google to Patent Software Against the Law (India)

    On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:47:30 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

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    > Google seeks patent on networking site


    So now Google is evil.....

    Let's see what you post next week when they release something pro-Linux.

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