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  1. Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    But with a flatline market share over the last decade, only a tiny few have
    been fooled.




  2. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    DFS wrote:
    > But with a flatline market share over the last decade, only a tiny few have
    > been fooled.
    >
    >
    >


    Yet it still obviously scares you ****less.

  3. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    Phil Da Lick! wrote:

    > Yet it still obviously scares you ****less.


    Because he's too stupid to actually install and use it.
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  4. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    Phil Da Lick! wrote:
    > DFS wrote:
    >> But with a flatline market share over the last decade, only a tiny
    >> few have been fooled.
    >>

    > Yet it still obviously scares you ****less.


    blah blah blah... how could anyone be scared of a runny Linux turd and the
    foul-mouthed apes that laid it?

    I know what really scares you, Windows user/pretend "advocate*": the thought
    of actually having to use only Linux and open source crapware.



  5. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    On Sep 24, 12:55*pm, "Phil Da Lick!"
    wrote:
    > DFS wrote:
    > > But with a flatline market share over the last decade, only a tiny few have
    > > been fooled.

    >
    > Yet it still obviously scares you ****less.


    It certainly keeps Steve Ballmer up at night. Ballmer named Linux as
    Microsoft's single biggest threat.

    Microsoft knows that OEMs buy Microsoft licenses because Microsoft
    makes it impossible for them not to do so. Microsoft also makes it
    legally impossible for the OEM to install both Windows and Linux in
    the same machine prior to shipment.

    At the same time, Microsoft has a very good view into the browser
    market, because they do have the means to "see what's behind the NAT
    firewall", and it scares them, alot.

    Microsoft can see the Linux systems, including machines that have dual
    boot and vmware capabilities as a result of their WGA and similar
    "phone home with the configuration details" technologies. And
    Microsoft has seen a trend.

    In case you hadn't noticed, Linux has been gradually getting easier
    and easier to install, and installs easily on more and more machines.
    10 years ago, about 1/3 of all PC models were 'Linux hostile' - using
    hardware that, by design, did not have Linux drivers available.

    Today, about 95% of the PC models are "Linux ready", meaning that you
    just have to slip in the DVD, boot up the machine, and in 30 minutes
    your Windows machine becomes a Linux machine.

    Vista tried to hog the resources to make it too difficult to run Vista
    and Linux concurrently, and the response was overwhelming - get rid of
    Vista and install XP. But since XP didn't install well into the new
    hardware, there was another simple solution - install it into
    virtualized hardware. The net result, Linux is taking over as the
    "host" operating system, and XP has become the "guest" operating
    system.

    The irony is that this has given Microsoft time, because you still
    have to buy the machine with Vista to be able to legally install XP on
    that computer. As a result, corporate customers buy the machine with
    Vista, install Linux, and then put an XP "image" in the virtual
    machine.

    Microsoft gets the revenue, and they have to spend less effort
    supporting new hardware.


  6. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    Rex Ballard writes:

    > On Sep 24, 12:55¬*pm, "Phil Da Lick!"
    > wrote:
    >> DFS wrote:
    >> > But with a flatline market share over the last decade, only a tiny few have
    >> > been fooled.

    >>
    >> Yet it still obviously scares you ****less.

    >
    > It certainly keeps Steve Ballmer up at night. Ballmer named Linux as
    > Microsoft's single biggest threat.


    In the same way that you would be a threat to Vladimar Klitschko in the
    boxing ring. A threat? Yes. Something to worry about? No. He said that
    years ago.

    With the advent of the new minis I hope for a change in Linux fortunes
    because it sure as hell hasn't happened in the past 10 years.

    >
    > Microsoft knows that OEMs buy Microsoft licenses because Microsoft
    > makes it impossible for them not to do so. Microsoft also makes it


    Liar.

    > legally impossible for the OEM to install both Windows and Linux in
    > the same machine prior to shipment.
    >
    > At the same time, Microsoft has a very good view into the browser
    > market, because they do have the means to "see what's behind the NAT
    > firewall", and it scares them, alot.


    Liar.

    >
    > Microsoft can see the Linux systems, including machines that have dual
    > boot and vmware capabilities as a result of their WGA and similar
    > "phone home with the configuration details" technologies. And
    > Microsoft has seen a trend.


    Liar.

    >
    > In case you hadn't noticed, Linux has been gradually getting easier
    > and easier to install, and installs easily on more and more machines.
    > 10 years ago, about 1/3 of all PC models were 'Linux hostile' - using


    Thats funny. Willy Bighead assured us that Linux was ready for the
    desktop 10 years ago. Now you tell us it wouldnt even run on more than
    30% of the machines out there.

    > hardware that, by design, did not have Linux drivers available.
    >
    > Today, about 95% of the PC models are "Linux ready", meaning that you
    > just have to slip in the DVD, boot up the machine, and in 30 minutes
    > your Windows machine becomes a Linux machine.
    >
    > Vista tried to hog the resources to make it too difficult to run Vista
    > and Linux concurrently, and the response was overwhelming - get rid of


    WTF are you on about? Concurrently? You really think that Vista was
    designed to be a bloated POS (which it is) just to stop people running
    Linux in a VM? You are simply crazeeeeeeee.

    > Vista and install XP. But since XP didn't install well into the new
    > hardware, there was another simple solution - install it into
    > virtualized hardware. The net result, Linux is taking over as the
    > "host" operating system, and XP has become the "guest" operating
    > system.


    Liar.

    >
    > The irony is that this has given Microsoft time, because you still
    > have to buy the machine with Vista to be able to legally install XP on
    > that computer. As a result, corporate customers buy the machine with
    > Vista, install Linux, and then put an XP "image" in the virtual
    > machine.


    What corporate customers are these Rexx? Be specific. It sure as hell
    aint IBM who you sell proprietary Windows solutions for is it?

    >
    > Microsoft gets the revenue, and they have to spend less effort
    > supporting new hardware.
    >


    Well done. You are really away in lala land with that poast.

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  7. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:23:49 -0400, DFS wrote:

    > But with a flatline market share over the last decade, only a tiny few
    > have been fooled.


    Or, depending on how you look at it, the vast majority have been fooled!

  8. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    DFS wrote:
    > Phil Da Lick! wrote:
    >> DFS wrote:
    >>> But with a flatline market share over the last decade, only a tiny
    >>> few have been fooled.
    >>>

    >> Yet it still obviously scares you ****less.

    >
    > blah blah blah... how could anyone be scared of a runny Linux turd and the
    > foul-mouthed apes that laid it?
    >
    > I know what really scares you, Windows user/pretend "advocate*": the thought
    > of actually having to use only Linux and open source crapware.


    Unlike you I actually use linux and have a genuine reason for being in
    this newsgroup. You just come here and wail like a three year old scared
    of monsters in the cupboard.

  9. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    Hadron wrote:


    Liar.

    See how easy that is?

    Maybe if you offered some proof to back up your "liars" we'd make some
    progress huh?

  10. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    "Phil Da Lick!" writes:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >
    > Liar.
    >
    > See how easy that is?
    >
    > Maybe if you offered some proof to back up your "liars" we'd make some
    > progress huh?


    Thats not how it works.

    You make outrageous claims then YOU provide the backup.




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  11. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    Hadron wrote:

    > "Phil Da Lick!" writes:
    >
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> Liar.
    >>
    >> See how easy that is?
    >>
    >> Maybe if you offered some proof to back up your "liars" we'd make some
    >> progress huh?

    >
    > Thats not how it works.
    >
    > You make outrageous claims then YOU provide the backup.
    >


    Like you do, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
    expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger
    professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time
    coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron
    Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary?

    Oh, wait...

    --
    Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
    you with experience...


  12. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    On 2008-09-24, ray claimed:
    > On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:23:49 -0400, DFS wrote:
    >
    >> But with a flatline market share over the last decade, only a tiny few
    >> have been fooled.

    >
    > Or, depending on how you look at it, the vast majority have been fooled!


    Proving you can fool all of the people some of the time. Apparently
    it's possible for some of the time to be a long time.

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  13. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    Peter Köhlmann writes:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> "Phil Da Lick!" writes:
    >>
    >>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Liar.
    >>>
    >>> See how easy that is?
    >>>
    >>> Maybe if you offered some proof to back up your "liars" we'd make some
    >>> progress huh?

    >>
    >> Thats not how it works.
    >>
    >> You make outrageous claims then YOU provide the backup.
    >>

    >
    > Like you do, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
    > expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger
    > professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time
    > coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron
    > Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary?
    >
    > Oh, wait...


    Actually I do. Or do you still have trouble following links?

    Here's a good one:

    http://tinyurl.com/33672q

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  14. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    Hadron wrote:

    > Peter Köhlmann writes:
    >
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>
    >>> "Phil Da Lick!" writes:
    >>>
    >>>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Liar.
    >>>>
    >>>> See how easy that is?
    >>>>
    >>>> Maybe if you offered some proof to back up your "liars" we'd make some
    >>>> progress huh?
    >>>
    >>> Thats not how it works.
    >>>
    >>> You make outrageous claims then YOU provide the backup.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Like you do, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user",
    >> "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin",
    >> "defragger professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time
    >> coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron
    >> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary?
    >>
    >> Oh, wait...

    >
    > Actually I do. Or do you still have trouble following links?
    >
    > Here's a good one:
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/33672q
    >


    Well, that isn't about *you* making outrageous claims and then supporting
    them.
    *That* is something you *never* do
    --
    Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
    you with experience...


  15. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    Peter Köhlmann writes:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> Peter Köhlmann writes:
    >>
    >>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "Phil Da Lick!" writes:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Liar.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> See how easy that is?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Maybe if you offered some proof to back up your "liars" we'd make some
    >>>>> progress huh?
    >>>>
    >>>> Thats not how it works.
    >>>>
    >>>> You make outrageous claims then YOU provide the backup.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Like you do, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user",
    >>> "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin",
    >>> "defragger professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time
    >>> coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron
    >>> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary?
    >>>
    >>> Oh, wait...

    >>
    >> Actually I do. Or do you still have trouble following links?
    >>
    >> Here's a good one:
    >>
    >> http://tinyurl.com/33672q
    >>

    >
    > Well, that isn't about *you* making outrageous claims and then supporting
    > them.
    > *That* is something you *never* do


    Which outrageous claims Peter? Be specific.

  16. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    On Sep 24, 5:25*pm, Hadron wrote:
    > Rex Ballard writes:
    > > On Sep 24, 12:55*pm, "Phil Da Lick!"
    > > wrote:
    > >> DFS wrote:


    > > It certainly keeps Steve Ballmer up at night. *Ballmer named Linux as
    > > Microsoft's single biggest threat.


    > In the same way that you would be a threat to Vladimar Klitschko in the
    > boxing ring. A threat? Yes. Something to worry about? No. He said that
    > years ago.


    That's not me that said that, it was Steve Ballmer who said his number
    one threat was Linux. He obviously knows something you don't know.

    And by the way, if I walked into the ring with an AK-47 or even a nice
    big baseball bat, and all Klitschko had was some big bulky boxing
    gloves - he probably WOULD consider me a threat.

    That's a bit like what Linux looks like to someone like Ballmer.
    Linux isn't some nice "fair" competitor that has to play by
    traditional rules that require approvals from bankers before features
    can be added, that require approval of investors, and that can be
    killed easily.

    Microsoft has poured $billions into trying to completely kill Linux,
    and yet there are about 2-5 million copies of Linux distributed
    through Magazines like Linux format every MONTH. There are another
    several million copies downloaded over broadband internet.

    > With the advent of the new minis I hope for a change in Linux fortunes
    > because it sure as hell hasn't happened in the past 10 years.


    What makes the Linux mini-notebooks exciting is that it's the first
    time we have seen a real computer actually RUNNING Linux - on the
    retailer shelves, sitting right next to Windows machines costing about
    double the price.

    The biggest problem is that ASUS and ACER can't keep up with demand.
    Circuit city was fully stocked and sold out in less than 2 weeks, and
    couldn't even get more on back-order due to short supply.

    > > Microsoft knows that OEMs buy Microsoft licenses because Microsoft
    > > makes it impossible for them not to do so. *


    > Liar.


    Look at the Antitrust court transcripts to see the tactics Microsoft
    used against IBM to make it impossible for them NOT to order Windows
    and to sell some "mix" of OS/2 and Windows.

    Keep in mind this was after IBM had invested about $3 billion dollars
    into OS/2 development, and had finally produced a product that could
    really appeal to a mass-market and a business market.

    In the Contempt of the Consent Decree case, Microsoft actually REVOKED
    ALL of the licenses to Compaq's popular Prolinea line. And this was
    just because they added one application and moved an icon.

    Microsoft exerts extraordinary pressure and makes some huge promises
    to OEMS and large corporate customers to keep them loyal. I wouldn't
    be surprised if the Seinfeld campaign was an attempt to get HP, Dell,
    or Lenovo to stop offering Linux for laptops on their web-site.

    > > Microsoft also makes it
    > > legally impossible for the OEM to install both Windows and Linux in
    > > the same machine prior to shipment.


    No challenge to that one.

    > > At the same time, Microsoft has a very good view into the browser
    > > market, because they do have the means to "see what's behind the NAT
    > > firewall", and it scares them, alot.


    > Liar.


    That automatic update service that gives you those automatic security
    warnings also send Microsoft a LOT of details about exacttly what's on
    your computer, including hardware and installed applications.

    The EULA suggests this is for "uses such as Support and promotional
    information" - but the wording specifically does NOT preclude
    collecting any other information, and does NOT preclude any other uses
    of that information.

    > > Microsoft can see the Linux systems, including machines that have dual
    > > boot and vmware capabilities as a result of their WGA and similar
    > > "phone home with the configuration details" technologies. *And
    > > Microsoft has seen a trend.


    > Liar.


    VMWare has a very unique but distinct pattern, which could easily be
    identified by WGA and Windows security updates.

    A dual-boot system will usually have telltale partitioning
    information.

    A Windows system with Linux as a VM Client would be easily be
    identified by the .vmx files. Most people would use naming
    conventions that could be identified as Linux or Linux distributions
    like fedora-8-i386.vmx, or
    Red Hat Linux.vmx, or SLES10SP1-32.vmx

    Microsoft can also identify Linux users who show up on CNBC.com MSNBC,
    or any of a number of other Microsoft and Microsoft partner sites,
    most of which use persistent cookies or log-ins to uniquely identify
    each customer.

    > > In case you hadn't noticed, Linux has been gradually getting easier
    > > and easier to install, and installs easily on more and more machines.
    > > 10 years ago, about 1/3 of all PC models were 'Linux hostile' *- using


    > Thats funny. Willy Bighead assured us that Linux was ready for the
    > desktop 10 years ago. Now you tell us it wouldnt even run on more than
    > 30% of the machines out there.


    I said 30% of the product models out there. Usually the cheapest
    machines (often because their prices eroded so quickly due to lack of
    demand). Microsoft is constantly trying to introduce new hardware for
    which Linux does not have drivers, but most machines that use this
    hardware before Linux drivers are developed, are cursed to very rapid
    price erosion.

    > > hardware that, by design, did not have Linux drivers available.


    > > Today, about 95% of the PC models are "Linux ready", meaning that you
    > > just have to slip in the DVD, boot up the machine, and in 30 minutes
    > > your Windows machine becomes a Linux machine.

    >
    > > Vista tried to hog the resources to make it too difficult to run Vista
    > > and Linux concurrently, and the response was overwhelming - get rid of


    > WTF are you on about? Concurrently? You really think that Vista was
    > designed to be a bloated POS (which it is) just to stop people running
    > Linux in a VM? You are simply crazeeeeeeee.


    I think Microsoft wanted a great deal more control over the hardware,
    and they wanted to show that Vista would need new hardware. If you
    recall, Windows 2000 ran on most Windows NT 4.0 machines without any
    serious problems. The problem is that Windows 2000 didn't stimulate a
    massive new wave of PC purchases.

    Of course, Vista was - as you describe - and as a result, ended up not
    generating a massive new wave of PC purchases, either. In fact, most
    of the traffic after Vista was released was companies trying to get
    last minute upgrades while XP was still available. Now, the OEMs are
    scrambling to accommodate corporate customers who still refuse to use
    Vista.

    Each time a new version of Windows is released, Microsoft exposes
    itself to competitors, and they want to do everything they can to
    prevent those competitors from taking too much of a beach-head.


  17. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    Rex Ballard writes:

    > On Sep 24, 5:25¬*pm, Hadron wrote:
    >> Rex Ballard writes:
    >> > On Sep 24, 12:55¬*pm, "Phil Da Lick!"
    >> > wrote:
    >> >> DFS wrote:

    >
    >> > It certainly keeps Steve Ballmer up at night. ¬*Ballmer named Linux as
    >> > Microsoft's single biggest threat.

    >
    >> In the same way that you would be a threat to Vladimar Klitschko in the
    >> boxing ring. A threat? Yes. Something to worry about? No. He said that
    >> years ago.

    >
    > That's not me that said that, it was Steve Ballmer who said his number
    > one threat was Linux. He obviously knows something you don't know.


    You seem to have missed the point. We know it was Steve Ballmer. He was
    appeasing the loony left and trying to lessen the accusations of
    "monopoly".

    >
    > And by the way, if I walked into the ring with an AK-47 or even a nice
    > big baseball bat, and all Klitschko had was some big bulky boxing
    > gloves - he probably WOULD consider me a threat.


    Err, above I said you were a threat without the AK47. This time you be a
    considerable threat. Hopefully the growing numbers of Linux minis (not
    that kind of mini Rexx) will cause it too to become a bigger threat.

  18. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    "Peter KŲhlmann" stated in post
    48da769d$0$6567$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net on 9/24/08 10:19 AM:

    >> Actually I do. Or do you still have trouble following links?
    >>
    >> Here's a good one:
    >>
    >> http://tinyurl.com/33672q
    >>

    >
    > Well, that isn't about *you* making outrageous claims and then supporting
    > them.
    > *That* is something you *never* do


    You are repeatedly making claims and accusations you *never* support, Peter.
    You accuse me of posting as Rekruled. You make up stories about my family.
    You belittle my technical skills. On and on...

    You do so even though you cannot find a shred of evidence to back up your
    claims... and you repeatedly humiliate yourself when you try to show off
    your technical skills.


    --
    I think the Apple guys have a very good point when they say we should let
    designers lead the definition of the user experience.
    - Mark Shuttleworth (founded Canonical Ltd. / Ubuntu Linux)


  19. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:19:25 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> Peter Köhlmann writes:
    >>
    >>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "Phil Da Lick!" writes:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Liar.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> See how easy that is?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Maybe if you offered some proof to back up your "liars" we'd make some
    >>>>> progress huh?
    >>>>
    >>>> Thats not how it works.
    >>>>
    >>>> You make outrageous claims then YOU provide the backup.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Like you do, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user",
    >>> "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin",
    >>> "defragger professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time
    >>> coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron
    >>> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary?
    >>>
    >>> Oh, wait...

    >>
    >> Actually I do. Or do you still have trouble following links?
    >>
    >> Here's a good one:
    >>
    >> http://tinyurl.com/33672q
    >>

    >
    > Well, that isn't about *you* making outrageous claims and then supporting
    > them.


    > *That* is something you *never* do


    Quack never supports his "claims". The troll makes things up, then when
    asked about *where* they were said & by *whom*, he huffs & puffs &
    blusters. *What* a surprise.

  20. Re: Linux: fools some of the people some of the time

    Phil Da Lick! wrote:

    > Unlike you I actually use linux and have a genuine reason for being in
    > this newsgroup. You just come here and wail like a three year old scared
    > of monsters in the cupboard.


    I wonder what he does when an icky GIRL comes around???
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