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  1. [News] IBM Still Pressured to Make OS/2 Free Software

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    OS/2: the Open Source Laboratory

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    | It's an idea that's been suggested – and even tried – for the mainstream open
    | source projects. It's not been hugely successful there, which seems to
    | confirm that people either write code out of pure altruism, or they have to
    | be employed full-time to do it.
    |
    | interesting to see how it pans out in the long term. I suspect that it will
    | only have moderate success – although I hope I'm wrong. In any case, it acts
    | as a fascinating laboratory for the rest of open source.
    `----

    http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolb...1230&blogid=14

    "Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental
    deficiency, as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2."
    Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make
    the complete failure of the competition's technology part of the mythology of
    the computer industry. We want to place selection pressure on those companies
    and individuals that show a genetic weakness for competitors' technologies, to
    make the industry increasingly resistant to such unhealthy strains, over
    time."

    --Microsoft, internal document


    Recent:

    Why Steve Ballmer Will Make Microsoft Good for SOA

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    | I'll never forget the day Steve Ballmer visited me at InfoWorld to convince
    | me that Windows 95 would be the wave of the future. In our conversation, and
    | in front of a room full of editors and skilled technicians, he
    | unapologetically admitted that IBM's OS/2 was superior to Windows 95.
    `----

    http://www.networkworld.com/news/200...e.html?hpg1=bn


    Related:

    Oh Where, Oh Where Has My OS/2 Gone?

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    | The news of the demise of IBM’s OS/2 is at best premature and at worst
    | deliberate spread of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Disinformation). *
    |
    | [...]
    |
    | In the past few years there was a push in the OS/2 community to open source
    | OS/2. There were e-mail campaigns and petitions sent to IBM about this.
    | Finally IBM stated unequivocally that OS/2 would not be open sourced. What
    | this means is the OS/2 kernel currently used in eComStation will not ever be
    | able to run as a 64-bit kernel. The current kernel will be 32-bit “forever”.
    | However, as long as modern hardware will run a 32-bit kernel then eComStation
    | can be a viable choice for those who love OS/2 and the Workplace Shell. There
    | will continue to be eComStation driver development and driver porting from
    | OSS projects into the foreseeable future. There will continue to be new
    | software for eComStation ported from OSS projects like OpenOffice.org and
    | Firefox into the foreseeable future as well. * * * * *
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    http://blog.eracc.com/2008/03/29/oh-...s-my-os2-gone/


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    | Some years back, Microsoft practiced a lot of dirty tricks using
    | online mavens to go into forums and create Web sites extolling the virtues
    | of Windows over OS/2. They were dubbed the Microsoft Munchkins, and it
    | was obvious who they were and what they were up to. But their numbers
    | and energy (and they way they joined forces with nonaligned dummies who
    | liked to pile on) proved too much for IBM marketers, and Windows wont
    | he operating-system war through fifth-column tactics
    |
    | Mr Dvorak wonders if Microsoft is today using reverse-dirty-tricks
    | to promote the Xbox 360: pay people to create Web sites that slam the
    | gaming computer in order to provoke a barrage of defenders.
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    http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/gi...sroots_an.html


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    | [Steve Ballmer:] "I think we need to think very carefully about how
    | much we want Windows to compete with OS/2 in the OEM channel and
    | for ISV's attention. The strains that show in our strategy now are
    | temporary, and should not allow us to lose sight of the goal of
    | making OS/2 the next generation operating system as quickly as possible"
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    http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowacons...00/PX00031.pdf


    1989 Bill Gates Talk on Microsoft [Gates: "OS/2 is the Way of the Future!"]

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    | Bill Gates discusses the software and computer industry, and how Microsoft
    | has contributed. Gates also discusses his views on the future of
    | the computing industry. The talk was recorded in 1989 but was only
    | recently digitized.
    `----

    http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/media...Microsoft.html


    Should IBM's OS/2 Be Open-Sourced?

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    | A group of die-hard OS/2 users are petitioning IBM—again—to release the
    | operating system's source code as open-source. The question may not be
    | whether IBM wants to do so... but if it can. Not, I expect, that IBM will
    | actually say this out loud. *
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    http://advice.cio.com/esther_schindl...e_open_sourced


    OS/2 is 20 years old today: dead but still walking

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | With the Windows 95 release back in late August of that year,
    | Microsoft embarked on a PR blitz such as never before seen, which
    | included "convincing" hardware OEMs not to preload "that other OS".
    | Even IBM's own PC Division reluctantly agreed to preload OS/2 Warp
    | on a line of its Aptiva desktops, but guess what? It was offered in
    | a "dual boot" setup, alongside Windows, so buyers had to choose at
    | the initial power-up whether to run one or the other. Would the
    | Apple of today pre-load OS-X only alongside Vista, instead of
    | promoting its own OS? Clearly, IBM's other divisions were
    | sabotaging the software division's strategy, all for the
    | short-term interest, in other words, Microsoft's advertising dollars.
    `----

    http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38666


    Secret deals MS uses to control PC companies

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    | MDAs are not discounts from royalty rates, Norris adamantly maintained,
    | but "a vehicle that Microsoft used in order for us to perform
    | activities that benefited them in many ways. It was a vehicle
    | that also gave royalty reductions that imposed costs on the
    | PC manufacturer, in order to attain the royalty reductions.
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    http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06...deals_ms_uses/


    Bizarre Windows promo video unleashed

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    | According to the actors, W-W-W-Windows/386's main selling point
    | is that it looks "just like OS/2", and it can even allow multitasking.
    |
    | It's easy to see how far we have come in twenty years of hardware
    | upgrades: Vista's main selling point, after all, is that it looks
    | just like OS/X and can it take advantage of multicore processors
    | to allow multitasking.
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    http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37252


    ,----[ Quote ]
    | From: w-clairl Thu Jul 25 19:46:22 1991
    | To: billg; bradsi; jimail; jonl; mikehal; paulma; richab; russw; scotto;
    | steveb;
    | Cc: billmi; cameronm; carls; garygi; julieg; martyta; makemap; rogersw;
    | w-clairl; w-pamed
    | Subject: StevB press tour trip report (long mail)
    |
    | Date Thu Jul 25 19:33:28 1991
    |
    |
    |
    | 4. The demos of OS/2 were excellent, crashing the system had the
    | intended effect -- to FUD OS/2 2.0. People paid attention to the demo
    | and were often supprised to our favor. Steve positioned it as --OS/2 not
    | "bad" but that from a performance and "robustness" standpoint, it is NOT
    | better than Windows. We know the design point, we know what's in it.
    |
    | Forrester Research is publishing a bullitin tomorrow that says "Ballber
    | exploded some"myths" about OS/2: It doesn't run Windows applications
    | presently, it's not bullit proof and dependable -- MS was able to
    | demonstrate several instances of OS/2 crashing!
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    http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowacons...07/PX_0860.pdf


    ,----[ Quote ]
    | Microsoft Confidential June 16, 1994
    |
    | To Brad Silverberg, Brad Chase
    |
    | From: Adamt
    | Cc: Psgmktg
    | Re: OS/2 "Crush" Plan - Draft
    `----

    http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowacons...00/PX02119.pdf


    Call to Action: Open Source OS/2 Abandonware

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    | Open Source software is expanding on a good speed under OS/2 and
    | eComstation and we had seen a lot of examples of good open source
    | software. OS/2-eCS developers are joining forces and making better
    | software while they share the code and gain knowledge and enhance
    | their programming skills.
    |
    | [...]
    |
    | In conclusion there still a chance for the OS/2 abandonware to keepb
    | eing useful for the community, there is now an alternative for don't
    | letting the software die in a drawer. Developers that do not code
    | anymore under OS/2 can open source their creations to allow them grow
    | in the hands of an open community.
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    http://www.os2world.com/cgi-bin/news...&id=1158501654
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  2. Re: [News] IBM Still Pressured to Make OS/2 Free Software

    Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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    > OS/2: the Open Source Laboratory
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    > | It's an idea that's been suggested – and even tried – for the mainstream open
    > | source projects. It's not been hugely successful there, which seems to
    > | confirm that people either write code out of pure altruism, or they have to
    > | be employed full-time to do it.
    > |
    > | interesting to see how it pans out in the long term. I suspect that it will
    > | only have moderate success – although I hope I'm wrong. In any case, it acts
    > | as a fascinating laboratory for the rest of open source.
    > `----
    >
    > http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolb...1230&blogid=14



    It would take some developers away from Linux and FOSS applications.

  3. Re: [News] IBM Still Pressured to Make OS/2 Free Software

    On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:37:06 -0500, Matt wrote:

    > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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    >> OS/2: the Open Source Laboratory
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    >>| It's an idea that's been suggested V and even tried V for the mainstream open
    >>| source projects. It's not been hugely successful there, which seems to
    >>| confirm that people either write code out of pure altruism, or they have to
    >>| be employed full-time to do it.
    >>|
    >>| interesting to see how it pans out in the long term. I suspect that it will
    >>| only have moderate success V although I hope I'm wrong. In any case, it acts
    >>| as a fascinating laboratory for the rest of open source.
    >> `----
    >>
    >> http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolb...1230&blogid=14

    >
    >
    > It would take some developers away from Linux and FOSS applications.


    As long as there are still IBM products alive and running that use OS/2 in
    one form or another, IBM will never release it as free.
    Also Microsoft is involved so I doubt it will happen.
    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:

    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  4. Re: [News] IBM Still Pressured to Make OS/2 Free Software

    * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:

    > "Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental
    > deficiency, as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2."
    > Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make
    > the complete failure of the competition's technology part of the mythology of
    > the computer industry. We want to place selection pressure on those companies
    > and individuals that show a genetic weakness for competitors' technologies, to
    > make the industry increasingly resistant to such unhealthy strains, over
    > time."
    > --Microsoft, internal document


    --
    Confidence is the feeling you have before you understand the situation.

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