* Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Forget Seinfeld. Can Windows gurus help the Windows brand?
>
> - ----[ Quote ]
>| Microsoft isn?t opening brick-and-mortar Microsoft stores. Instead, this
>| holiday season, Microsoft will be hiring 150 or so Microsoft-trained ?Windows
>| gurus? to work in retailers like Best Buy and Circuit City to help explain
>| how Windows, Windows Live services and Windows Mobile PCs and devices work.
>| The gurus will ?assist PC buyers, similar to the Nordstrom model of ?personal
>| shoppers,? where the focus is more on informing and supporting the customer
>| than on the actual sale,? according to Microsoft.
> `----
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1570

More margin erosion for Microsoft.

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On 2008-09-05, Roy Schestowitz claimed:
>
> Forget Seinfeld. Can Windows gurus help the Windows brand?
>
> - ----[ Quote ]
>| Microsoft isn’t opening brick-and-mortar Microsoft stores. Instead, this
>| holiday season, Microsoft will be hiring 150 or so Microsoft-trained “Windows
>| gurus� to work in retailers like Best Buy and Circuit City to help explain
>| how Windows, Windows Live services and Windows Mobile PCs and devices work.
>| The gurus will “assist PC buyers, similar to the Nordstrom model of ‘personal
>| shoppers,’ where the focus is more on informing and supporting the customer
>| than on the actual sale,� according to Microsoft.
> `----
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1570

Time to burn up a bunch of linux CDs and head off to Bestest Buy and
Circus City for the holidays.

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Sinister Midget wrote:
> On 2008-09-05, Roy Schestowitz claimed:
>>
>> Forget Seinfeld. Can Windows gurus help the Windows brand?
>>
>> - ----[ Quote ]
>>> Microsoft isnâ?Tt opening brick-and-mortar Microsoft stores.
>>> Instead, this holiday season, Microsoft will be hiring 150 or so
>>> Microsoft-trained â?oWindows gurusâ?� to work in retailers like
>>> Best Buy and Circuit City to help explain
>>> how Windows, Windows Live services and Windows Mobile PCs and
>>> devices work.
>>> The gurus will â?oassist PC buyers, similar to the Nordstrom model
>>> of â?~personal shoppers,â?T where the focus is more on informing
>>> and supporting the customer than on the actual sale,â?� according
>>> to Microsoft.
>> `----
>>
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1570
>
> Time to burn up a bunch of linux CDs and head off to Bestest Buy and
> Circus City for the holidays.

I wish you would.

Take a videographer along and publish all the unedited footage of customers
with puzzled looks followed by smirks and finally laughing and walking away
as the Linux crapware slimes up on the screen. Let's see you curse the
uncooperative compiz, bumble through interminable command line sessions with
xorg.conf, download driver after driver, fail to detect your DVD player...
you know, all that good stuff Linux excels at.

Hey, for the finale you can show them vi and X-Moto! That'll clinch the
sale...

LMAO!!!!

On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:51:57 -0500, Sinister Midget wrote:

> On 2008-09-05, Roy Schestowitz claimed:
>>
>> Forget Seinfeld. Can Windows gurus help the Windows brand?
>>
>> - ----[ Quote ]
>>| Microsoft isn’t opening brick-and-mortar Microsoft stores. Instead, this
>>| holiday season, Microsoft will be hiring 150 or so Microsoft-trained “Windows
>>| gurus� to work in retailers like Best Buy and Circuit City to help explain
>>| how Windows, Windows Live services and Windows Mobile PCs and devices work.
>>| The gurus will “assist PC buyers, similar to the Nordstrom model of ‘personal
>>| shoppers,’ where the focus is more on informing and supporting the customer
>>| than on the actual sale,� according to Microsoft.
>> `----
>>
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1570
>
> Time to burn up a bunch of linux CDs and head off to Bestest Buy and
> Circus City for the holidays.

Maybe you can hire these guys?

They will sure *bring in the live ones* !

http://www.abiword.org/~abi/expo99/expo_02_010_full.jpg

Oh yea, make certain to bathe before you go so you don't get arrested for
vagrancy.


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____/ Sinister Midget on Saturday 06 September 2008 21:51 : \____

> On 2008-09-05, Roy Schestowitz claimed:
>>
>> Forget Seinfeld. Can Windows gurus help the Windows brand?
>>
>> - ----[ Quote ]
>>| Microsoft isn’t opening brick-and-mortar Microsoft stores. Instead, this
>>| holiday season, Microsoft will be hiring 150 or so Microsoft-trained
>>| “Windows gurusâ€� to work in retailers like Best Buy and Circuit City to
>>| help explain how Windows, Windows Live services and Windows Mobile PCs and
>>| devices work. The gurus will “assist PC buyers, similar to the Nordstrom
>>| model of ‘personal shoppers,’ where the focus is more on informing and
>>| supporting the customer than on the actual sale,� according to Microsoft.
>> `----
>>
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1570
>
> Time to burn up a bunch of linux CDs and head off to Bestest Buy and
> Circus City for the holidays.

Just don't show Compiz-Fusion to shoppers. It makes Vista look very, very ugly.

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On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:34:19 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

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> ____/ Sinister Midget on Saturday 06 September 2008 21:51 : \____
>
>> On 2008-09-05, Roy Schestowitz claimed:
>>>
>>> Forget Seinfeld. Can Windows gurus help the Windows brand?
>>>
>>> - ----[ Quote ]
>>>| Microsoft isn’t opening brick-and-mortar Microsoft stores. Instead, this
>>>| holiday season, Microsoft will be hiring 150 or so Microsoft-trained
>>>| “Windows gurus� to work in retailers like Best Buy and Circuit City to
>>>| help explain how Windows, Windows Live services and Windows Mobile PCs and
>>>| devices work. The gurus will “assist PC buyers, similar to the Nordstrom
>>>| model of ‘personal shoppers,’ where the focus is more on informing and
>>>| supporting the customer than on the actual sale,� according to Microsoft.
>>> `----
>>>
>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1570
>>
>> Time to burn up a bunch of linux CDs and head off to Bestest Buy and
>> Circus City for the holidays.
>
> Just don't show Compiz-Fusion to shoppers. It makes Vista look very, very ugly.

Assuming you have a degree in Computer Science to get it configured and
theme'd up properly.

It's a nightmare.

Read all about it here.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=882350

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On 2008-09-07, Roy Schestowitz claimed:
>
> ____/ Sinister Midget on Saturday 06 September 2008 21:51 : \____
>
>> On 2008-09-05, Roy Schestowitz claimed:
>>>
>>> Forget Seinfeld. Can Windows gurus help the Windows brand?
>>>
>>> - ----[ Quote ]
>>>| Microsoft isn’t opening brick-and-mortar Microsoft stores. Instead, this
>>>| holiday season, Microsoft will be hiring 150 or so Microsoft-trained
>>>| “Windows gurusâ€� to work in retailers like Best Buy and Circuit City to
>>>| help explain how Windows, Windows Live services and Windows Mobile PCs and
>>>| devices work. The gurus will “assist PC buyers, similar to the Nordstrom
>>>| model of ‘personal shoppers,’ where the focus is more on informing and
>>>| supporting the customer than on the actual sale,� according to Microsoft.
>>> `----
>>>
>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1570
>>
>> Time to burn up a bunch of linux CDs and head off to Bestest Buy and
>> Circus City for the holidays.
>
> Just don't show Compiz-Fusion to shoppers. It makes Vista look very, very ugly.

Hopefully I can slip a CD into some machines and reboot a few of them.
That should make the Microsofties earn their keep.

It might not work, though. OEMs have pushed digital drives lower in the
boot order than hard drives on most or all of the machines I run
across. Most likely due to pressure from MS, since anybody wanting to
boot a CD on a new machine must be a pirate or illegal linux user.

I don't want to stand around dicking with BIOSes. Maybe I'll also need
something portable.

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Microsoft Corporation

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* Sinister Midget peremptorily fired off this memo:

>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1570
>
> Time to burn up a bunch of linux CDs and head off to Bestest Buy and
> Circus City for the holidays.

I notice today that Staples is having another

PC CLEARANCE !

However, Office Depot is taking a more subdued approach with

COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
COMPUTER BLOWOUT!

Machines with 2, 3, 4, and, in the case of one Windows Vista 64-bit
machine, 6Gb of RAM.

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____/ Sinister Midget on Sunday 07 September 2008 09:02 : \____

> On 2008-09-07, Roy Schestowitz claimed:
>>
>> ____/ Sinister Midget on Saturday 06 September 2008 21:51 : \____
>>
>>> On 2008-09-05, Roy Schestowitz claimed:
>>>>
>>>> Forget Seinfeld. Can Windows gurus help the Windows brand?
>>>>
>>>> - ----[ Quote ]
>>>>| Microsoft isn’t opening brick-and-mortar Microsoft stores. Instead,
>>>>| this holiday season, Microsoft will be hiring 150 or so Microsoft-trained
>>>>| “Windows gurusâ€Â� to work in retailers like Best Buy and Circuit
>>>>| City to help explain how Windows, Windows Live services and Windows
>>>>| Mobile PCs and devices work. The gurus will “assist PC buyers,
>>>>| similar to the Nordstrom model of ‘personal shoppers,’ where
>>>>| the focus is more on informing and supporting the customer than on the
>>>>| actual sale,â€Â� according to Microsoft.
>>>> `----
>>>>
>>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1570
>>>
>>> Time to burn up a bunch of linux CDs and head off to Bestest Buy and
>>> Circus City for the holidays.
>>
>> Just don't show Compiz-Fusion to shoppers. It makes Vista look very, very
>> ugly.
>
> Hopefully I can slip a CD into some machines and reboot a few of them.
> That should make the Microsofties earn their keep.

Mandriva has Compiz and graphics drivers built in (also working out of the box
with the Live/install CD).

> It might not work, though. OEMs have pushed digital drives lower in the
> boot order than hard drives on most or all of the machines I run
> across. Most likely due to pressure from MS, since anybody wanting to
> boot a CD on a new machine must be a pirate or illegal linux user.

Someone in France did this just over a year ago. I think he called it
PC-jacking, but I can't recall for sure.

> I don't want to stand around dicking with BIOSes. Maybe I'll also need
> something portable.
>

- --
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On Microsoft analyst.
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Roy Schestowitz writes:

> ____/ Sinister Midget on Sunday 07 September 2008 09:02 : \____
>
>> On 2008-09-07, Roy Schestowitz claimed:
>>>
>>> ____/ Sinister Midget on Saturday 06 September 2008 21:51 : \____
>>>
>>>> On 2008-09-05, Roy Schestowitz claimed:
>>>>>
>>>>> Forget Seinfeld. Can Windows gurus help the Windows brand?
>>>>>
>>>>> - ----[ Quote ]
>>>>>| Microsoft isn’t opening brick-and-mortar Microsoft stores. Instead,
>>>>>| this holiday season, Microsoft will be hiring 150 or so Microsoft-trained
>>>>>| “Windows gurusâ€Â� to work in retailers like Best Buy and Circuit
>>>>>| City to help explain how Windows, Windows Live services and Windows
>>>>>| Mobile PCs and devices work. The gurus will “assist PC buyers,
>>>>>| similar to the Nordstrom model of ‘personal shoppers,’ where
>>>>>| the focus is more on informing and supporting the customer than on the
>>>>>| actual sale,â€Â� according to Microsoft.
>>>>> `----
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1570
>>>>
>>>> Time to burn up a bunch of linux CDs and head off to Bestest Buy and
>>>> Circus City for the holidays.
>>>
>>> Just don't show Compiz-Fusion to shoppers. It makes Vista look very, very
>>> ugly.
>>
>> Hopefully I can slip a CD into some machines and reboot a few of them.
>> That should make the Microsofties earn their keep.
>
> Mandriva has Compiz and graphics drivers built in (also working out of the box
> with the Live/install CD).
>
>> It might not work, though. OEMs have pushed digital drives lower in the
>> boot order than hard drives on most or all of the machines I run
>> across. Most likely due to pressure from MS, since anybody wanting to
>> boot a CD on a new machine must be a pirate or illegal linux user.
>
> Someone in France did this just over a year ago. I think he called it
> PC-jacking, but I can't recall for sure.
>
>> I don't want to stand around dicking with BIOSes. Maybe I'll also need
>> something portable.


Just to be sure we understand : you are advocating people PC-jacking
machines in stores with Linux distros?

You think someone seeing compiz in action (they wont since they wont
know how to use it) will sell Linux to them?

Are you mad?

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Hadron wrote:

> Just to be sure we understand : you are advocating people PC-jacking
> machines in stores with Linux distros?
>
> You think someone seeing compiz in action (they wont since they wont
> know how to use it) will sell Linux to them?
>
> Are you mad?


Not to mention the one time compiz worked for me fresh from the install, it
left onscreen at all times a faint outline of the cube. Very bogus.

"DFS" writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Just to be sure we understand : you are advocating people PC-jacking
>> machines in stores with Linux distros?
>>
>> You think someone seeing compiz in action (they wont since they wont
>> know how to use it) will sell Linux to them?
>>
>> Are you mad?
>
>
> Not to mention the one time compiz worked for me fresh from the install, it
> left onscreen at all times a faint outline of the cube. Very bogus.

Compiz or whatever its "name of the day" is, is very impressive. I kept
it for a few days before getting tired of it. Its like a spoilt kid -
its antics are fun for a while but you soon get sick of the "look at me
aren't I great" calls.

It does absolutely nothing, of course, to sell Linux to the masses. Try
getting wine to work.

I tried to install Nolf 2 the other day. Apparently it should work. The
install went almost flawlessly. When I ran the installed game though
... nothing. Not even a cursor flicker. Laughable. Not even a "this does
not work" or "wine has detected an error" to go on.

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On 2008-09-07, Linonut claimed:
> * Sinister Midget peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1570
>>
>> Time to burn up a bunch of linux CDs and head off to Bestest Buy and
>> Circus City for the holidays.
>
> I notice today that Staples is having another
>
> PC CLEARANCE !

We don't have any of those around here.

> However, Office Depot is taking a more subdued approach with
>
> COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
> COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
> COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
>
> Machines with 2, 3, 4, and, in the case of one Windows Vista 64-bit
> machine, 6Gb of RAM.

This is tempting, depending on prices.

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* Sinister Midget peremptorily fired off this memo:

> On 2008-09-07, Linonut claimed:
>> * Sinister Midget peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>
>> However, Office Depot is taking a more subdued approach with
>>
>> COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
>> COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
>> COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
>>
>> Machines with 2, 3, 4, and, in the case of one Windows Vista 64-bit
>> machine, 6Gb of RAM.
>
> This is tempting, depending on prices.

Well, first ya have to double-check the screen resolution, to make sure
they're not stiffin' ya on that.

You already know you're getting stiffed on the operating system.

Then you have to deal with rebates.

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On 2008-09-08, Linonut claimed:
> * Sinister Midget peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> On 2008-09-07, Linonut claimed:
>>> * Sinister Midget peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>
>>> However, Office Depot is taking a more subdued approach with
>>>
>>> COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
>>> COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
>>> COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
>>>
>>> Machines with 2, 3, 4, and, in the case of one Windows Vista 64-bit
>>> machine, 6Gb of RAM.
>>
>> This is tempting, depending on prices.
>
> Well, first ya have to double-check the screen resolution, to make sure
> they're not stiffin' ya on that.
>
> You already know you're getting stiffed on the operating system.
>
> Then you have to deal with rebates.

It depends on the final cost. If it's truly a bowout, it's not going to
be so bad. If it's marked down by 10%, it cheesy crap.

Rebates? I thought everybody finally stopped trying to pull that scam.
Office Max and Worst Buy dropped those goofy things long ago because
everybody wised up to them.

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On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:17:40 -0500, Sinister Midget wrote:

> On 2008-09-08, Linonut claimed:
>> * Sinister Midget peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>
>>> On 2008-09-07, Linonut claimed:
>>>> * Sinister Midget peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>
>>>> However, Office Depot is taking a more subdued approach with
>>>>
>>>> COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
>>>> COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
>>>> COMPUTER BLOWOUT!
>>>>
>>>> Machines with 2, 3, 4, and, in the case of one Windows Vista 64-bit
>>>> machine, 6Gb of RAM.
>>>
>>> This is tempting, depending on prices.
>>
>> Well, first ya have to double-check the screen resolution, to make sure
>> they're not stiffin' ya on that.
>>
>> You already know you're getting stiffed on the operating system.
>>
>> Then you have to deal with rebates.
>
> It depends on the final cost. If it's truly a bowout, it's not going to
> be so bad. If it's marked down by 10%, it cheesy crap.
>
> Rebates? I thought everybody finally stopped trying to pull that scam.
> Office Max and Worst Buy dropped those goofy things long ago because
> everybody wised up to them.

It is a scam.
And no they have not stopped them.

Ever notice how they always seem to either lose your proof, or you did
something wrong or there was some crazy rule you didn't follow?

Rebates are a scam IMHO.

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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
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* Sinister Midget peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Rebates? I thought everybody finally stopped trying to pull that scam.
> Office Max and Worst Buy dropped those goofy things long ago because
> everybody wised up to them.

Office Depot and Staples here still use 'em, though they often are
accompanied by an "instant rebate".

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