"Tattoo Vampire" stated in post
ng95ygrpc498$.dlg@this.domain.or.that on 8/27/08 4:41 PM:

> Why, Snit, of course!
>
> Come up on the stage and get your membership t-shirt, Snit. You've earned
> it. Your latest fiasco about EXIF tags that never existed is one of the
> better whoppers told in this group over the past few years.

Yeah, it was *horrid*, I wrote "28" and you corrected me that the data was
really "26". I was grossly humiliated by this grievous error I made... I
went to hide my head in shame. Clearly this is so much bigger of an issue
than you lying about me calling you, about you targeting my personal and
professional life with your trolling, with your posting of threats in a
public forum... even your freaking out over my getting you to admit I was
right about your IP address... you certainly have nothing to be ashamed of,
right?

LOL!

Oh, speaking of the EXIF data silliness did you see Peter Köhlmann looking
for the EXIF data on Usenet messages ... that was just frickin' hilarious...

> You do know that as the low man on the totem pole in the club, you're going
> to have to serve a 3-month term as Flatfarb's and d00Fus' bed wench, don't
> you?

Ah, Tattoo is now going to bad mouth me... LOL!

And keep in mind what this is all about... I talked about Linux in much the
same way as those that are in charge of many of the biggest OSS projects!

You simply cannot handle such well supported facts... they *clearly* piss
you off.


--
Teachers open the door but you must walk through it yourself.

"Tattoo Vampire" stated in post
ng95ygrpc498$.dlg@this.domain.or.that on 8/27/08 4:41 PM:

> Why, Snit, of course!

Nope... but what is sad is that you even *have* such a club... and, clearly
you are the president.

I turn down your invitation... I clearly do not fit the profile you are
looking for with your "COLA Trolls [sic] Liar's [sic] Club"

Oh, and not only are you a liar your grammar is quite bad. I suppose you
could start another club for people who share *that* trait with you as well.



--
When I'm working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how
to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong. -- R. Buckminster Fuller

Snit wrote:

> You simply cannot handle such well supported facts... they *clearly* piss
> you off.

The only fact that applies to you is that you're a lying fool. Deal with it
and move on.
--
Regards,
[tv]

....Love me tender / love me sweet / push me out at 12,000 ft

Owner/Proprietor, Cheesus Crust Pizza Company
Good to the last supper

Snit wrote:

> You simply cannot handle such well supported facts... they *clearly* piss
> you off.

The only fact that applies to you is that you're a lying fool. Deal with it
and move on.
--
Regards,
[tv]

....Love me tender / love me sweet / push me out at 12,000 ft

Owner/Proprietor, Cheesus Crust Pizza Company
Good to the last supper

Why, Snit, of course!

Come up on the stage and get your membership t-shirt, Snit. You've earned
it. Your latest fiasco about EXIF tags that never existed is one of the
better whoppers told in this group over the past few years.

You do know that as the low man on the totem pole in the club, you're going
to have to serve a 3-month term as Flatfarb's and d00Fus' bed wench, don't
you?
--
Regards,
[tv]

....Acid bath? You're soaking in it...

Owner/Proprietor, Cheesus Crust Pizza Company
Good to the last supper

The liar Michael Glasser (Snot/Snit/Rekruled) snotted:

> "Tattoo Vampire" stated in post
> ng95ygrpc498$.dlg@this.domain.or.that on 8/27/08 4:41 PM:
>
>> Why, Snit, of course!
>>
>> Come up on the stage and get your membership t-shirt, Snit. You've earned
>> it. Your latest fiasco about EXIF tags that never existed is one of the
>> better whoppers told in this group over the past few years.
>
> Yeah, it was *horrid*, I wrote "28" and you corrected me that the data was
> really "26".

He corrected you since your date was in the future

> I was grossly humiliated by this grievous error I made... I
> went to hide my head in shame.

You should be ashamed, Michael Glasser. Since you are *again* openly lying
here. Your blunder was not the date itself, as you have been told several
times already.
Your blunder was that you lied about the images containing EXIF data.

< snip more Michael Glasser lies >

> Oh, speaking of the EXIF data silliness did you see Peter Köhlmann looking
> for the EXIF data on Usenet messages ... that was just frickin'
> hilarious...

Lying again, Michael Glasser

Msg-ID <48b63e04$0$20712$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net>
---------------------------
> "Peter Köhlmann" stated in post
> 48b5dbe7$0$12955$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net on 8/27/08 3:57 PM:
>
>> The liar Michael Glasser (Snot/Snit/Rekruled) snotted:
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>>> Bottom line, though, as I noted EXIF data contains dates. Â*Seriously, I
>>> am surprised how many people in COLA did not know that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And you can certainly give us the Msg-IDs
>
> LOL! Â*It is not Usenet messages that have EXIF data but images (mostly jpg
> images).
>
> Seriously, Peter, it amuses me to see you try to sound clever. Â*Too funny!
>
>

You can certainly give us the Msg-IDs, Snot/Snit/Rekruled/Michael Glasser.

You know, those messages where "people did not know that EXIF contains
data".

But then, you are just a liar. You are extremely dishonest
---------------------------

--
Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a way of life.

Peter Köhlmann wrote:

>The liar Michael Glasser (Snot/Snit/Rekruled) snotted:
>
>> "Tattoo Vampire" stated in post
>> ng95ygrpc498$.dlg@this.domain.or.that on 8/27/08 4:41 PM:
>>
>>> Why, Snit, of course!
>>>
>>> Come up on the stage and get your membership t-shirt, Snit. You've earned
>>> it. Your latest fiasco about EXIF tags that never existed is one of the
>>> better whoppers told in this group over the past few years.
>>
>> Yeah, it was *horrid*, I wrote "28" and you corrected me that the data was
>> really "26".
>
>He corrected you since your date was in the future
>
>> I was grossly humiliated by this grievous error I made... I
>> went to hide my head in shame.
>
>You should be ashamed, Michael Glasser. Since you are *again* openly lying
>here. Your blunder was not the date itself, as you have been told several
>times already.
>Your blunder was that you lied about the images containing EXIF data.
>
>< snip more Michael Glasser lies >
>
>> Oh, speaking of the EXIF data silliness did you see Peter Köhlmann looking
>> for the EXIF data on Usenet messages ... that was just frickin'
>> hilarious...
>
>Lying again, Michael Glasser

Shamelessly so.

>Msg-ID <48b63e04$0$20712$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net>
>---------------------------
>> "Peter Köhlmann" stated in post
>> 48b5dbe7$0$12955$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net on 8/27/08 3:57 PM:
>>
>>> The liar Michael Glasser (Snot/Snit/Rekruled) snotted:
>>>
>>> < snip >
>>>
>>>> Bottom line, though, as I noted EXIF data contains dates. *Seriously, I
>>>> am surprised how many people in COLA did not know that.
>>>
>>> And you can certainly give us the Msg-IDs
>>
>> LOL! *It is not Usenet messages that have EXIF data but images (mostly jpg
>> images).
>>
>> Seriously, Peter, it amuses me to see you try to sound clever. *Too funny!
>
>You can certainly give us the Msg-IDs, Snot/Snit/Rekruled/Michael Glasser.
>
>You know, those messages where "people did not know that EXIF contains
>data".
>
>But then, you are just a liar. You are extremely dishonest

No one had better ask to "show an example of Sn^Hhit lying" ever
again. Cripes, it's just a steady stream of lies!

"Peter Köhlmann" wrote in message
news:48b6468a$0$20706$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net...
> The liar Michael Glasser (Snot/Snit/Rekruled) snotted:
>
>> "Tattoo Vampire" stated in post
>> ng95ygrpc498$.dlg@this.domain.or.that on 8/27/08 4:41 PM:
>>
>>> Why, Snit, of course!
>>>
>>> Come up on the stage and get your membership t-shirt, Snit. You've
>>> earned
>>> it. Your latest fiasco about EXIF tags that never existed is one of the
>>> better whoppers told in this group over the past few years.
>>
>> Yeah, it was *horrid*, I wrote "28" and you corrected me that the data
>> was
>> really "26".
>
> He corrected you since your date was in the future
>
>> I was grossly humiliated by this grievous error I made... I
>> went to hide my head in shame.
>
> You should be ashamed, Michael Glasser. Since you are *again* openly lying
> here. Your blunder was not the date itself, as you have been told several
> times already.
> Your blunder was that you lied about the images containing EXIF data.
>
> < snip more Michael Glasser lies >
>
>> Oh, speaking of the EXIF data silliness did you see Peter Köhlmann
>> looking
>> for the EXIF data on Usenet messages ... that was just frickin'
>> hilarious...
>
> Lying again, Michael Glasser
>
> Msg-ID <48b63e04$0$20712$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net>
> ---------------------------
>> "Peter Köhlmann" stated in post
>> 48b5dbe7$0$12955$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net on 8/27/08 3:57 PM:
>>
>>> The liar Michael Glasser (Snot/Snit/Rekruled) snotted:
>>>
>>> < snip >
>>>
>>>> Bottom line, though, as I noted EXIF data contains dates. Seriously, I
>>>> am surprised how many people in COLA did not know that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And you can certainly give us the Msg-IDs
>>
>> LOL! It is not Usenet messages that have EXIF data but images (mostly jpg
>> images).
>>
>> Seriously, Peter, it amuses me to see you try to sound clever. Too funny!
>>
>>
>
> You can certainly give us the Msg-IDs, Snot/Snit/Rekruled/Michael Glasser.
>
> You know, those messages where "people did not know that EXIF contains
> data".
>
> But then, you are just a liar. You are extremely dishonest
> ---------------------------


Peter,

with all due respect, your obsession with Snit seems to be taking an
unhealthy track.

"Mocassin Joe" stated in post
a3Atk.18182$XT1.17036@bignews5.bellsouth.net on 8/28/08 9:10 AM:

> Peter,
>
> with all due respect, your obsession with Snit seems to be taking an
> unhealthy track.

He *hates* how I have pointed out the huge holes in his technical knowledge
- such as when I pointed out his error in confusing my IP address with the
IP address of a web host and later the IP address of an email server.

He now is claiming that the error he made in regards to EXIF data was really
his just looking for a message where the EXIF data was talked about - not
looking for the EXIF data *of* the message. Maybe... re-reading the thread
I will acknowledge it is not clear one way or the other - and while it is
most likely that he just screwed up again I will give him the benefit of the
doubt. *Maybe* he was not as ignorant there as he appeared...

But he *still* screwed up with IP addresses. That was crystal clear.


--
The answer to the water shortage is to dilute it.

Snit wrote:

> Maybe... re-reading the thread I will acknowledge it is not clear one way
> or the other

In other words, in another attempt to troll, you made yourself look like a
fool. Again.

--
Regards,
[tv]

....If you shoot a mime, should you use a silencer?

Owner/Proprietor, Cheesus Crust Pizza Company
Good to the last supper

"Tattoo Vampire" stated in post
1g3cjtxm8fnh3$.dlg@this.domain.or.that on 8/28/08 4:52 PM:

> Snit wrote:
>
>> Maybe... re-reading the thread I will acknowledge it is not clear one way
>> or the other
>
> In other words, in another attempt to troll, you made yourself look like a
> fool. Again.

Ah, let us see what Tattoo Vampire is trying to get away with:

1) He snipped the context of my admission of possible error.

2) He is pretending that it is a *bad* thing for someone to
acknowledge they might be wrong.

Compare this to my actions where I do not snip the context of the comments I
am responding to (no example will be shown where I have done so). I also
*value* and celebrate when someone is brave enough and honest enough to
admit to a possible error...

So there we have it, two ways in which Tattoo Vampire and I are different.
I value honesty and honor in myself and others - he does not.


--
"The music is not inside the piano." - Alan Kay

Tattoo Vampire wrote:

> ****:
>>
>> Maybe... re-reading the thread I will acknowledge it is not clear one
>> way or the other
>
> In other words, in another attempt to troll, you made yourself look like
> a fool. Again.

A "fool"? **** is *far* worse than a mere "fool". If you're going to
accuse someone else of being a fscking idiot or a fscking liar, you had
better have some solid, logical, evidence.

Otherwise, you're a fscking "asshole".

"chrisv" stated in post
6LydnfFDsowR2CrVnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@giganews.com on 8/28/08 5:40 PM:

> Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
>> ****:
>>>
>>> Maybe... re-reading the thread I will acknowledge it is not clear one
>>> way or the other
>>
>> In other words, in another attempt to troll, you made yourself look like
>> a fool. Again.
>
> A "fool"? **** is *far* worse than a mere "fool". If you're going to
> accuse someone else of being a fscking idiot or a fscking liar, you had
> better have some solid, logical, evidence.
>
> Otherwise, you're a fscking "asshole".

I welcome your "solid, logical, evidence" to support your accusations
against me.

Note: yes, I know you will fail... heck, I doubt you will even try. But
then you will show what a hypocrite you are...


--
The fact that OS X is growing and Linux isn't, tells you that OS X is
offering things that Linux is not.
- Mark Shuttleworth (founded Canonical Ltd. / Ubuntu Linux)

chrisv wrote:

> Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
>> ****:
>>>
>>> Maybe... re-reading the thread I will acknowledge it is not clear one
>>> way or the other
>>
>> In other words, in another attempt to troll, you made yourself look
>> like a fool. Again.
>
> A "fool"? **** is *far* worse than a mere "fool". If you're going to
> accuse someone else of being a fscking idiot or a fscking liar, you had
> better have some solid, logical, evidence.
>
> Otherwise, you're a fscking "asshole".

"You're" meaning "he is", is in "**** is", of course... 8)

On Aug 27, 7:41*pm, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
> Why, Snit, of course!

OK, kids, it's time to stop your bickering.

What I like about so many of Snits new topics is that he gives you a
quote, out of context, from an important Linux leader. If you just
look up the quote, you can see the full context, what was being
advocated, and how it addresses the very issue and quote that Snit had
provided.

Snit points to the "deviations" of the desktop, and proceeds to quote
Linux Foundation leaders who are describing how LSB 3.1 was providing
desktop standards at the "lower level" that assures that LSB 3.1
compliant desktop applications can run on ANY LSB 3.1 compliant
version of Linux.

It really is priceless. I can't tell whether Snit is a Linux advocate
or WinTroll, but his ability to point people in the right direction by
providing quotes that address his "gripes" tells me that he's a Linux
advocate posing as a WinTroll to encourage other Linux advocates to
"follow the breadcrumbs" to key arguments that directly address and
shatter Microsoft FUD.

So you really need to stop sniping at each other and "follow the bread-
crumbs".

Sorry Snit, hope I didn't blow your cover :-D.

On Aug 28, 9:59*pm, Snit wrote:
> "chrisv" stated in post

> The fact that OS X is growing and Linux isn't, tells you that OS X is
> offering things that Linux is not.
> - Mark Shuttleworth (founded Canonical Ltd. / Ubuntu Linux)

Yes, like putting OS/X in all of the iMacs on display in thousands of
Apple stores strategically located in a number of very high traffic
shopping centers. And staffing those stores with people who are
carefully trained to answer questions accurately, and to help people
who are test driving an iMac with OS/X for the very first time.

At least Acer has managed to put a Linux NetBook on display at
thousands of Circuit Cities. That's a pretty good step in the right
direction.

Snit wrote:

> So there we have it, two ways in which Tattoo Vampire and I are different.
> I value honesty and honor in myself and others - he does not.

The guy who called me at work and then denied it talks about honesty.

That's right, Glasser. I watched a few seconds of one of your videos. Your
voice is the same one I heard during that phone call.

I'm not saying that as a troll or a flame. I'm saying it because it's the
truth, and you know it is.

Take my advice and don't dare to ever call me at the office again. I can
make some calls myself, you know.
--
Regards,
[tv]

....I'm just here for moral support... please ignore the gun.

Owner/Proprietor, Cheesus Crust Pizza Company
Good to the last supper

"Rex Ballard" stated in post
26474252-79ee-4e19-97c6-fcdc91168956...oglegroups.com on 8/28/08
7:26 PM:

> On Aug 27, 7:41*pm, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>> Why, Snit, of course!
>
> OK, kids, it's time to stop your bickering.

100% agreed.

> What I like about so many of Snits new topics is that he gives you a
> quote, out of context, from an important Linux leader. If you just
> look up the quote, you can see the full context, what was being
> advocated, and how it addresses the very issue and quote that Snit had
> provided.

Exactly.

> Snit points to the "deviations" of the desktop, and proceeds to quote
> Linux Foundation leaders who are describing how LSB 3.1 was providing
> desktop standards at the "lower level" that assures that LSB 3.1
> compliant desktop applications can run on ANY LSB 3.1 compliant
> version of Linux.

Right... and while that is not exactly what I have been saying in my own
arguments it is very much complimentary to it (I tend to look at user issues
more than developer issues).

> It really is priceless. I can't tell whether Snit is a Linux advocate
> or WinTroll

I use OS X, Windows, and Linux... I am clearly *not* a Wintroll. Some have
said - showing their ignorance - that I am advocating to get desktop Linux
to be just like the Mac (even though I have repeatedly gone into some depth
about the reasons why the Linux desktop should *not* be like OS X).

> , but his ability to point people in the right direction by
> providing quotes that address his "gripes" tells me that he's a Linux
> advocate posing as a WinTroll to encourage other Linux advocates to
> "follow the breadcrumbs" to key arguments that directly address and
> shatter Microsoft FUD.

I am pointing out that the very same issues I have brought up (or in the
case of my recent quotes similar and complimentary issues) are being
recognized and discussed by the major leader in the Linux / OSS movement,
including the folks who make KDE, Gnome, OpenOffice, and Firefox and such
influential people as Mark Shuttleworth, Jim Zemlin, and Tim Berners-Lee,
and UI experts such as George Carole, Rhee Cheul, John W Satzingerm, Jakob
Nielsen, Rick Oppedisano and R. Chimera. Even Henry P. Ledgard in his "The
Case Against User Interface Consistency" shows a lot of *agreement* with my
views.

Shuttleworth in particular has talked about how these different groups
(especially KDE and Gnome) would do desktop Linux well by working together
more - and if the two of them were to *along* with some major desktop
distros it is clear that *huge* levels of improvement could be made... and
would allow developers to develop for Linux even easier than they can now.

> So you really need to stop sniping at each other and "follow the bread-
> crumbs".
>
> Sorry Snit, hope I didn't blow your cover :-D.

No problem... but since I primarily use OS X and not Windows I am hardly a
WinTroll by *any* stretch of the imagination.



--
You really have to give credit to Apple for driving innovation.
- Mark Shuttleworth (founded Canonical Ltd. / Ubuntu Linux)

"Rex Ballard" stated in post
1038b884-e350-4fd1-991a-505415e1cbe6...oglegroups.com on 8/28/08
7:39 PM:

> On Aug 28, 9:59*pm, Snit wrote:
>> "chrisv" stated in post
>
>> The fact that OS X is growing and Linux isn't, tells you that OS X is
>> offering things that Linux is not.
>> - Mark Shuttleworth (founded Canonical Ltd. / Ubuntu Linux)
>
> Yes, like putting OS/X in all of the iMacs on display in thousands of
> Apple stores strategically located in a number of very high traffic
> shopping centers. And staffing those stores with people who are
> carefully trained to answer questions accurately, and to help people
> who are test driving an iMac with OS/X for the very first time.
>
> At least Acer has managed to put a Linux NetBook on display at
> thousands of Circuit Cities. That's a pretty good step in the right
> direction.

There is *no* doubt that OS X has "external" advantages (things not
intrinsic to the OS itself). Apple has massive marketing power and there
are other products that people associate with Apple... this clearly helps
sell OS X (why advertise if it did not work!) And free face-to-face tech
support for people in big cities is something nobody else offers.

OS X also has some very big disadvantages, at least in terms of growing its
market share: it runs on only Apple-provided hardware (with a few legally
questionable and unsupported exceptions) and that hardware, while generally
quite good, is rather limited in its selection. Just try to get a
medium-end Mac without a webcam. No such beast. Apple targets the mid to
high range market... when the low end is, at least for the home market, the
"lions share". OS X is also not free... compared to Linux being free that
is *clearly* a disadvantage.

To summarize:

Linux.
Free.
Runs on almost anything.
Offered as an option by the biggest OEMs
Can be downloaded for free without any OEM support
Less than 1% of the only market Linus really cares about

Compared to:

OS X
Not free.
Runs only on relatively high end proprietary hardware
Offered by only one relatively small OEM
Around 10% of the the same market

So why is Linux not as big or bigger than OS X in terms of home user market
share? My answers are:

* Lack of support from MS, Adobe, Apple, etc.
* The fractured experience on any given desktop distro
* Confusion about what Linux is vs. PCLOS, Ubuntu, etc.
* Lack of support for some peripherals... maybe.

I am sure there are more I am not thinking of now.


How to "fix" this - if you even want it fixed:

Well, to get support from the "big boys" you need the market share... so do
not expect Photoshop to be ported to Linux to help get it marketshare unless
it already has made it a long way. The confusion about what the distros are
could be answered, to some extent, by clever marketing... though if
different distros all market their 'wares at the same time it could add to
the confusion. Lack of support for some hardware is a programmer issue... I
do not know enough about driver issues to really speak on it much.

That leaves user experience issues. And that is what I often talk about...
and in my case mostly GUI issues, though the user experience is also tied to
many programmer issues.

Whew... enough for now. Maybe too much.

--
"If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."
- Anatole France