On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:35:44 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:46:14 +0100, Phil Da Lick! wrote:
>>
>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft and Seinfeld: A Comedy of Errors?
>>>
>>>
>>> Am I the only person in the world who doesn't find seinfeld funny?
>>
>> No.
>> I don't find him funny either.
>
> Seinfeld doesn't do it for me, either, but his show was hilarious.
>
> Dana Carvey makes me laugh. So does Ron White. Jim Carrey. Joan Rivers.
> The writers of 2-1/2 Men sitcom can toss out some good zingers sometimes.

Dana Carvey is funny so is Joan Rivers.
Jim Carrey is funny when he is not doing all that stupid stuff.
I don't think I have ever heard Ron White.

I'm not big on TV

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The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Tim Smith
>
> wrote
> on Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:18:29 -0700
> :
>> In article ,
>> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>> That's longer than Star Trek: The Next Generation, which
>>> only lasted 7 seasons and 178 episodes. At least STTNG had
>>> a plot on occasion, not to mention cool-looking spacecraft
>>> and Jeri Ryan on occasion wearing rather tight outfits
>>> -- though I'd lost interest in the show before the Borg
>>> showed up.
>> When was Jeri Ryan on TNG? Her first Star Trek appearance was in
>> Voyager, long after TNG ended.
>
> Was it? I know she played Seven of Nine of the Borg, but
> they run together after awhile....
>
>> If you get confused over what Star Trek 7 of 9 was on, just remember
>> that Lenny came to the Voyager wrap party the Simpsons threw dressed as
>> 7 of 9.
>>
>

Yeah it was Crapager she was in.

* Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:

>> Am I the only person in the world who doesn't find seinfeld funny?
>
> No.
> I don't find him funny either.

However, the Seinfeld TV ensemble worked very well, and was very funny.

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:56:59 -0400, Linonut wrote:

> * Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>>> Am I the only person in the world who doesn't find seinfeld funny?
>>
>> No.
>> I don't find him funny either.
>
> However, the Seinfeld TV ensemble worked very well, and was very funny.

Not for me....
I'll admit though I don't typically follow the crowd.

Other shows I couldn't really stomach:

Moonlighting
Scully and Moulder
Cheers. I like Shelly Long though.
Cosby Show., although Bill Cosby is hysterical and I like *him*.
Designing Women (Sorry DFS ,smile ) I always wished Annie Potts would grow
boobs someday.


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In article <4JudnUecm54D_ivVnZ2dnUVZ8rCdnZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
"Phil Da Lick!" wrote:
> >> When was Jeri Ryan on TNG? Her first Star Trek appearance was in
> >> Voyager, long after TNG ended.
> >
> > Was it? I know she played Seven of Nine of the Borg, but
> > they run together after awhile....
> >
> >> If you get confused over what Star Trek 7 of 9 was on, just remember
> >> that Lenny came to the Voyager wrap party the Simpsons threw dressed as
> >> 7 of 9.
> >>
> >
>
> Yeah it was Crapager she was in.

Speaking of Star Trek, and tt the risk of igniting a flamewar far worse
than any this group has ever seen:

DS9 was the best Star Trek series.


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Tim Smith wrote:

> In article <4JudnUecm54D_ivVnZ2dnUVZ8rCdnZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
> "Phil Da Lick!" wrote:
>> >> When was Jeri Ryan on TNG? Her first Star Trek appearance was in
>> >> Voyager, long after TNG ended.
>> >
>> > Was it? I know she played Seven of Nine of the Borg, but
>> > they run together after awhile....
>> >
>> >> If you get confused over what Star Trek 7 of 9 was on, just remember
>> >> that Lenny came to the Voyager wrap party the Simpsons threw dressed
>> >> as 7 of 9.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> Yeah it was Crapager she was in.
>
> Speaking of Star Trek, and tt the risk of igniting a flamewar far worse
> than any this group has ever seen:
>
> DS9 was the best Star Trek series.
>

Right. Although I liked "Enterprise" also.
But Jeri Ryan really was a looker then in Voyager.
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Tim Smith

wrote
on Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:24:37 -0700
:
> In article <4JudnUecm54D_ivVnZ2dnUVZ8rCdnZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
> "Phil Da Lick!" wrote:
>> >> When was Jeri Ryan on TNG? Her first Star Trek appearance was in
>> >> Voyager, long after TNG ended.
>> >
>> > Was it? I know she played Seven of Nine of the Borg, but
>> > they run together after awhile....
>> >
>> >> If you get confused over what Star Trek 7 of 9 was on, just remember
>> >> that Lenny came to the Voyager wrap party the Simpsons threw dressed as
>> >> 7 of 9.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> Yeah it was Crapager she was in.
>
> Speaking of Star Trek, and tt the risk of igniting a flamewar far worse
> than any this group has ever seen:
>
> DS9 was the best Star Trek series.
>

I'll second that emotion; it was at least interesting,
though I can't say the Ferengi were treated fairly. ;-)

Then again, Nana Visitor wasn't bad looking, either.
And I liked Avery Brooks as Captain Sisko.

But that wormhole was still silly.

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"DFS" wrote in message
news:t%otk.17774$kh2.12529@bignews3.bellsouth.net. ..
> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:46:14 +0100, Phil Da Lick! wrote:
>>
>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft and Seinfeld: A Comedy of Errors?
>>>
>>>
>>> Am I the only person in the world who doesn't find seinfeld funny?
>>
>> No.
>> I don't find him funny either.
>
> Seinfeld doesn't do it for me, either, but his show was hilarious.

Same here. Jerry is so-so with me but the chemistry between the characters
on Seinfeld, the situations and the writing is what made the show funny.



> Dana Carvey makes me laugh. So does Ron White. Jim Carrey. Joan Rivers.
> The writers of 2-1/2 Men sitcom can toss out some good zingers sometimes.

Dana Carvey - never really clicked with me.
Ron White - Ron who?
Jim Carrey - I like him but at the same time I wish he did less "stupid"
material.
Joan Rivers - Back in her prime, yes.

Add to the list - Tina Fey. Who I never really liked until about 6-months
ago.





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In article ,
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> > Speaking of Star Trek, and tt the risk of igniting a flamewar far worse
> > than any this group has ever seen:
> >
> > DS9 was the best Star Trek series.
> >
>
> I'll second that emotion; it was at least interesting,
> though I can't say the Ferengi were treated fairly. ;-)

But the Ferengi were treated extensively, and that's one of the things
that made DS9 good. Same for the Trill and the Klingons and the
Cardassians and the Bajorans. They were all races that were introduced
in TNG or TOS, but, aside from the Klingons, barely touched.

The Cardassians were in a few TNG episodes that I recall, but almost
always as unsympathetic villains. The Ferengi were a joke in TNG. The
Bajorans were in TNG, but not really developed much, and most as victims
of the Cardassians.

The Klingons in TNG moved passed the pure villain role they had in TOS,
through Worf and stories centered on him.

DS9 continued the development of the Klingons, and turned the Trill and
the Ferengi, and the Cardassians, and the Bajorans into fully developed
races. (Well, the Trill not that much...but still way ahead of TNG).

Add to that the whole Dominion thing to provide a big unifying theme,
and it was excellent.

(Voyager did a similar thing for the Borg and for Q).

I didn't like the ending of DS9, though. I would have liked to see it
end something like this:

Sisko knows that the Founders have infiltrated the highest levels of
the Federation.

He also should know that there have been past attempts to infiltrate
the Federation (I recall at least one from TOS and one from
TNG...and there was also the episode of TOS where the Enterprise
went back to the 1960's and found an alien interfering in
Earth...that should probably count, even though it was before the
Federation).

He also knows that the Founders infiltrated the highest levels of
the Klingon empire.

He also knows about Section 31--a somewhat rogue intelligence group
inside the Federation, but not operating under the constraint of
the Federations laws.

He also knows that Odo has linked with the other Founders. They
know what Odo knows. Odo believes the Federation is *not* like
other "solids" the Founders encountered in the past--the ones that
persecuted them, and led them to their distrust of all solids.

This should make him wonder: given that the Founders know Odo's
sincere belief in the Federation, and given that they have
infiltrated to high levels of the Federation, and so should know
first hand that the Federation is nice and means them no harm, isn't
it odd that they are don't trust the Federation?

Sisko should deduce from this that it is likely the Founders know
something about the Federation that he (and Odo) do not. The
niceness is just PR, and there's something bad at the core.
Maybe Section 31 is more powerful than he thought. Maybe one (or
more!) of those past alien attempt to take over have succeeded.

Sisko and Odo begin a program of internal espionage against the
Federation to check this out. They determine that there is indeed
something seriously wrong. Most people in Starfleet know nothing
about it, and are good people, but they are not going to believe
Sisko and Odo.

Sisko secretly meets with the Founders, they share information, and
agree to work together to save the Federation. They agree that the
Founders will ask the Federation to negotiate an end to the war, and
ask for Sisko to be the Federation representative. They will agree
to fantastic terms, so that Sisko gets a lot of credit in the
Federation as a master of dealing with the Founders, and they will
ask that he be the Federation ambassador to the Dominion. The
Federation agrees--it helps with the peace, and gets Sisko out of
the way (Section 31, or whoever has been running the Federation
suspects he might have been getting suspicious).

The series ends there, with Sisko assuming his new role as ambassador
to the Dominion.

That sets us up for a new series, covering Sisko, under cover as
ambassador to the Dominion, as he works to infiltrate whatever group it
is that is secretly running the Federation, and take them out, restoring
the Federation to what it is supposed to be.

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* Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:

> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:56:59 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>>
>> However, the Seinfeld TV ensemble worked very well, and was very funny.
>
> Not for me....
> I'll admit though I don't typically follow the crowd.

You're the master of your own domain, eh?

> Other shows I couldn't really stomach:
>
> Moonlighting
> Scully and Moulder
> Cheers. I like Shelly Long though.
> Cosby Show., although Bill Cosby is hysterical and I like *him*.
> Designing Women (Sorry DFS ,smile ) I always wished Annie Potts would grow
> boobs someday.

I don't watch shows much. The only show I looked forward to was MXC.
Normally I have a soccer, pointy-ball (Amer. football), or a
nature/documentary show on in the background.

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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Linonut

wrote
on Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:04:50 -0400
:
> * Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:56:59 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>>>
>>> However, the Seinfeld TV ensemble worked very well, and was very funny.
>>
>> Not for me....
>> I'll admit though I don't typically follow the crowd.
>
> You're the master of your own domain, eh?

Translation: He's in his own little world.... *evil grin*

>
>> Other shows I couldn't really stomach:
>>
>> Moonlighting
>> Scully and Moulder
>> Cheers. I like Shelly Long though.
>> Cosby Show., although Bill Cosby is hysterical and I like *him*.
>> Designing Women (Sorry DFS ,smile ) I always wished
>> Annie Potts would grow boobs someday.
>
> I don't watch shows much. The only show I looked
> forward to was MXC. Normally I have a soccer,
> pointy-ball (Amer. football), or a
> nature/documentary show on in the background.
>

Heh. Pointy-ball. I'll have to remember that one. :-)
Especially since there are times I wonder if those on
the line must have pointy heads to get beaten on by
the opposing team every down. Still, they're paid well.

I can't say I've kept up with Ms. Potts' career,
but she's definitely skinny.

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Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:56:59 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>
>> * Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>
>>>> Am I the only person in the world who doesn't find seinfeld funny?
>>>
>>> No.
>>> I don't find him funny either.
>>
>> However, the Seinfeld TV ensemble worked very well, and was very
>> funny.
>
> Not for me....
> I'll admit though I don't typically follow the crowd.
>
> Other shows I couldn't really stomach:
>
> Moonlighting

I liked the chemistry between Willis and Shepherd early on, but I remember
the writers had them become sexually involved, and I quit watching after
that.


> Scully and Moulder

Never watched a single episode.


> Cheers. I like Shelly Long though.

Cheers may be the best sitcom ever made, anywhere, at any time. Sam, Cliff,
Norm, Diane, Coach, Rebecca, Frasier, Lilith, etc... makes me laugh just
thinking of them!

"It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing milk-bone underwear" hahaha!!



> Cosby Show., although Bill Cosby is hysterical and I like *him*.

I might have watched one episode in however many years it was on. Cosby can
be funny in his standup, but the show was totally unrealistic. For
instance, how many of them did jail time like they would have in real life?


> Designing Women (Sorry DFS ,smile ) I always wished Annie Potts would
> grow boobs someday.

Might have watched an episode or two. I do like Annie Potts and Jean Smart.

I watched a lot of Hill Street Blues, LA Law, NYPD Blue. I love cop and
lawyer shows. Law & Order/SVU is a good one.

On HBO, Oz was good. Carnivale was awesome, and the Wired was excellent
too.

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:58:38 -0400, DFS wrote:


I used to watch them filming Law and Order in NYC all the time.
The original one.
I like cop and lawyer shows as well.



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Tim Smith wrote:
> In article <4JudnUecm54D_ivVnZ2dnUVZ8rCdnZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
> "Phil Da Lick!" wrote:
>>>> When was Jeri Ryan on TNG? Her first Star Trek appearance was in
>>>> Voyager, long after TNG ended.
>>> Was it? I know she played Seven of Nine of the Borg, but
>>> they run together after awhile....
>>>
>>>> If you get confused over what Star Trek 7 of 9 was on, just remember
>>>> that Lenny came to the Voyager wrap party the Simpsons threw dressed as
>>>> 7 of 9.
>>>>
>> Yeah it was Crapager she was in.
>
> Speaking of Star Trek, and tt the risk of igniting a flamewar far worse
> than any this group has ever seen:
>
> DS9 was the best Star Trek series.


TNG for me, DS9 slightly behind. Crapager a distant last. Enterprise not
much better than Crapager.

"Phil Da Lick!" stated in post
XIidnV44C9SRMSrVnZ2dnUVZ8h6dnZ2d@posted.plusnet on 8/29/08 12:58 AM:

> Tim Smith wrote:
>> In article <4JudnUecm54D_ivVnZ2dnUVZ8rCdnZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
>> "Phil Da Lick!" wrote:
>>>>> When was Jeri Ryan on TNG? Her first Star Trek appearance was in
>>>>> Voyager, long after TNG ended.
>>>> Was it? I know she played Seven of Nine of the Borg, but
>>>> they run together after awhile....
>>>>
>>>>> If you get confused over what Star Trek 7 of 9 was on, just remember
>>>>> that Lenny came to the Voyager wrap party the Simpsons threw dressed as
>>>>> 7 of 9.
>>>>>
>>> Yeah it was Crapager she was in.
>>
>> Speaking of Star Trek, and tt the risk of igniting a flamewar far worse
>> than any this group has ever seen:
>>
>> DS9 was the best Star Trek series.
>
>
> TNG for me, DS9 slightly behind. Crapager a distant last. Enterprise not
> much better than Crapager.

The final season of Enterprise was, I thought, very good... though the
captain should have been played by someone else. And the Vulcan woman...


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Snit wrote:
> "Phil Da Lick!" stated in post
> XIidnV44C9SRMSrVnZ2dnUVZ8h6dnZ2d@posted.plusnet on 8/29/08 12:58 AM:
>
>> Tim Smith wrote:
>>> In article <4JudnUecm54D_ivVnZ2dnUVZ8rCdnZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
>>> "Phil Da Lick!" wrote:
>>>>>> When was Jeri Ryan on TNG? Her first Star Trek appearance was in
>>>>>> Voyager, long after TNG ended.
>>>>> Was it? I know she played Seven of Nine of the Borg, but
>>>>> they run together after awhile....
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you get confused over what Star Trek 7 of 9 was on, just remember
>>>>>> that Lenny came to the Voyager wrap party the Simpsons threw dressed as
>>>>>> 7 of 9.
>>>>>>
>>>> Yeah it was Crapager she was in.
>>> Speaking of Star Trek, and tt the risk of igniting a flamewar far worse
>>> than any this group has ever seen:
>>>
>>> DS9 was the best Star Trek series.
>>
>> TNG for me, DS9 slightly behind. Crapager a distant last. Enterprise not
>> much better than Crapager.
>
> The final season of Enterprise was, I thought, very good... though the
> captain should have been played by someone else. And the Vulcan woman...


Can't speak to that. Gave up on it after the pilot episode. It was a bit
too berman-esque to me, i.e. formulaic and dull. I also could not accept
that NX-01 looked way ahead of NCC-1701 even though it was built 100 or
so years earlier. They should never mess with the continuity. One of the
reasons I'm not really interested in the upcoming movie.

But imo trek was ruined by Crapager. Man what a stinker. Formulaic.
Dull. It used to make me laugh that whenever Crapager was attacked by
anything - from a single shuttle to a fleet of borg cubes exactly the
same thing would happen: There'd be a couple of explosions in a computer
panel behind the captain, some cables would drop down out of an overhead
compartment, a red-shirter would fly over the rail and tuvok would say
"Shields at 15% captain" before Janeway [worst actress *ever* to appear
in a trek series] would pull out some formulaic Deus Ex Machina to save
the day. I really tried to like this series but it got worse when seven
of nine appeared - ok she was fit as **** but the character didnt really
add anything. I thought Kes and her abilities would have been a better
arc for the story than a pet borg clone.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:10:37 +0100, Phil Da Lick! wrote:


> Can't speak to that. Gave up on it after the pilot episode. It was a bit
> too berman-esque to me, i.e. formulaic and dull. I also could not accept
> that NX-01 looked way ahead of NCC-1701 even though it was built 100 or
> so years earlier. They should never mess with the continuity. One of the
> reasons I'm not really interested in the upcoming movie.

God...
Now I remember why I avoid trekie conventions like the plague....

Grown men and women living in some kind of a time warp, pun intended...


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"Phil Da Lick!" stated in post
o4CdnfuuMP1gISrVnZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d@posted.plusnet on 8/29/08 2:10 AM:

> Snit wrote:
>> "Phil Da Lick!" stated in post
>> XIidnV44C9SRMSrVnZ2dnUVZ8h6dnZ2d@posted.plusnet on 8/29/08 12:58 AM:
>>
>>> Tim Smith wrote:
>>>> In article <4JudnUecm54D_ivVnZ2dnUVZ8rCdnZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
>>>> "Phil Da Lick!" wrote:
>>>>>>> When was Jeri Ryan on TNG? Her first Star Trek appearance was in
>>>>>>> Voyager, long after TNG ended.
>>>>>> Was it? I know she played Seven of Nine of the Borg, but
>>>>>> they run together after awhile....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you get confused over what Star Trek 7 of 9 was on, just remember
>>>>>>> that Lenny came to the Voyager wrap party the Simpsons threw dressed as
>>>>>>> 7 of 9.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah it was Crapager she was in.
>>>> Speaking of Star Trek, and tt the risk of igniting a flamewar far worse
>>>> than any this group has ever seen:
>>>>
>>>> DS9 was the best Star Trek series.
>>>
>>> TNG for me, DS9 slightly behind. Crapager a distant last. Enterprise not
>>> much better than Crapager.
>>
>> The final season of Enterprise was, I thought, very good... though the
>> captain should have been played by someone else. And the Vulcan woman...
>
>
> Can't speak to that. Gave up on it after the pilot episode. It was a bit
> too berman-esque to me, i.e. formulaic and dull. I also could not accept
> that NX-01 looked way ahead of NCC-1701 even though it was built 100 or
> so years earlier. They should never mess with the continuity. One of the
> reasons I'm not really interested in the upcoming movie.

The final season they finally figured out that they should be making stories
that dealt with how the Kirk era came to be... and they did a pretty good
job.

> But imo trek was ruined by Crapager. Man what a stinker. Formulaic.
> Dull. It used to make me laugh that whenever Crapager was attacked by
> anything - from a single shuttle to a fleet of borg cubes exactly the
> same thing would happen: There'd be a couple of explosions in a computer
> panel behind the captain, some cables would drop down out of an overhead
> compartment, a red-shirter would fly over the rail and tuvok would say
> "Shields at 15% captain" before Janeway [worst actress *ever* to appear
> in a trek series] would pull out some formulaic Deus Ex Machina to save
> the day. I really tried to like this series but it got worse when seven
> of nine appeared - ok she was fit as **** but the character didnt really
> add anything. I thought Kes and her abilities would have been a better
> arc for the story than a pet borg clone.

When they used the same time-loop BS story twice in the first 4 or 5
episodes I figured it was not worth watching regularly... and from what I
saw of it I was right. Seven of nine was useless as a character from what I
did see.

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On 2008-08-29, Linonut wrote:
> * Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:56:59 -0400, Linonut wrote:
[deletia]
>> Other shows I couldn't really stomach:
>>
>> Moonlighting
>> Scully and Moulder
>> Cheers. I like Shelly Long though.
>> Cosby Show., although Bill Cosby is hysterical and I like *him*.
>> Designing Women (Sorry DFS ,smile ) I always wished Annie Potts would grow
>> boobs someday.

....you know there's this particular episode that you might want to hunt
down on the video sharing sites...

[deletia]

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