DFS wrote:
> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the statement
> was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow break the
> kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a distro that
> frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
>
>
> #291 at
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
>
>

I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.

Alias

On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
> DFS wrote:
>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the statement
>> was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow break the
>> kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a distro that
>> frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
>>
>>
>> #291 at
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
>>
>>
>
> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.

I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
another "anecdote magnification" thread.

The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.

They work at it so hard too. If it were really all that then you
wouldn't think they would need to. The drums would "beat themselves"
rather than needing constant attention.

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JEDIDIAH writes:

> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the statement
>>> was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow break the
>>> kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a distro that
>>> frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
>>>
>>>
>>> #291 at
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
>
> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
>
> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.

You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
problems with such HW.

> They work at it so hard too. If it were really all that then you
> wouldn't think they would need to. The drums would "beat themselves"
> rather than needing constant attention.

The drums are beating. But you give nothing back so you are not involved
in the help forums.

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Hadron wrote:

> JEDIDIAH writes:
>
>> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
>>> DFS wrote:
>>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
>>>> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow
>>>> break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a
>>>> distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> #291 at
>>>>
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
>>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
>>
>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
>>
>> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.
>
> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
> problems with such HW.
>

Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
aka Damian O'Leary

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On 2008-07-28, Hadron wrote:
> JEDIDIAH writes:
>
>> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
>>> DFS wrote:
>>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the statement
>>>> was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow break the
>>>> kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a distro that
>>>> frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> #291 at
>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
>>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
>>
>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
>>
>> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.
>
> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different

Cry all you want Lemming propaganda boy...

> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
> problems with such HW.
>
>> They work at it so hard too. If it were really all that then you
>> wouldn't think they would need to. The drums would "beat themselves"
>> rather than needing constant attention.
>
> The drums are beating. But you give nothing back so you are not involved
> in the help forums.

Yeah. You're one to talk. All you do is try to harvest the help forums
for negative propaganda to use in your campaign of fear.

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Peter Köhlmann writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> JEDIDIAH writes:
>>
>>> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
>>>>> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow
>>>>> break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a
>>>>> distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> #291 at
>>>>>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
>>>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
>>>
>>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
>>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
>>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
>>>
>>> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.
>>
>> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
>> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
>> problems with such HW.
>>
>
> Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
> makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
> hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
> guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
> magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
> culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
> aka Damian O'Leary

The ACPI and ATI issues are very, very well documented. Which makes you
a rather said little man.

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JEDIDIAH writes:

> On 2008-07-28, Hadron wrote:
>> JEDIDIAH writes:
>>
>>> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the statement
>>>>> was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow break the
>>>>> kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a distro that
>>>>> frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> #291 at
>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
>>>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
>>>
>>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
>>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
>>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
>>>
>>> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.
>>
>> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
>
> Cry all you want Lemming propaganda boy...
>
>> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
>> problems with such HW.
>>
>>> They work at it so hard too. If it were really all that then you
>>> wouldn't think they would need to. The drums would "beat themselves"
>>> rather than needing constant attention.
>>
>> The drums are beating. But you give nothing back so you are not involved
>> in the help forums.
>
> Yeah. You're one to talk. All you do is try to harvest the help forums
> for negative propaganda to use in your campaign of fear.

You seem to be confused again. Go and lie down and have a nice cup of
tea.

Now, did you try Nexuiz yet?

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Alias wrote:
> DFS wrote:
>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
>> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches
>> somehow break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable
>> and a distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
>>
>>
>> #291 at
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
>>
>>
>
> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.


2 of 3 systems freeze: #282 at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=29

Linux just works.

On 2008-07-28, Hadron wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> JEDIDIAH writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
>>>>>> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow
>>>>>> break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a
>>>>>> distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #291 at
>>>>>>
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
>>>>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
>>>>
>>>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
>>>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
>>>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.
>>>
>>> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
>>> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
>>> problems with such HW.
>>>
>>
>> Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
>> makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
>> hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
>> guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
>> magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
>> culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
>> aka Damian O'Leary
>
> The ACPI and ATI issues are very, very well documented. Which makes you
> a rather said little man.

Well then you should have no problems telling us which combinations
of boards these problems occur with...

Although there's a world of difference between "sometimes doesn't work"
and "never works".

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Hadron wrote:

> Now, did you try Nexuiz yet?

I tried it last night. Pretty good game, actually, considering it's based
on the Quake1 engine.

Quick 376mb download (Windows version), extract from .zip file, found the
correct launcher (nexuiz-sdl.exe) and away it went. Worked flawlessly. I
love it when that happens. The Crysis demo was like that (but 1gb+ download
as I recall).

Hadron wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> JEDIDIAH writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
>>>>>> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow
>>>>>> break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a
>>>>>> distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #291 at
>>>>>>
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
>>>>>>
>>>>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
>>>>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
>>>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
>>>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
>>>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.
>>> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
>>> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
>>> problems with such HW.
>>>
>> Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
>> makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
>> hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
>> guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
>> magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
>> culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
>> aka Damian O'Leary
>
> The ACPI and ATI issues are very, very well documented. Which makes you
> a rather said little man.
>

A couple of the computers that I installed Hardy on have ATI cards and
work perfectly with Compiz and everything.

Alias

JEDIDIAH wrote:

> Yeah. You're one to talk. All you do is try to harvest the help forums
> for negative propaganda to use in your campaign of fear.

s/negative propaganda to use in your campaign of fear/the truth about Linux/

DFS wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
>>> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches
>>> somehow break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable
>>> and a distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
>>>
>>>
>>> #291 at
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
>>>
>>>
>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
>
>
> 2 of 3 systems freeze: #282 at
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=29
>
> Linux just works.
>
>

Of the dozens of computers that I have installed Ubuntu Hardy on, none
freeze and about half of them have ATI cards.

Alias

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:25:36 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> JEDIDIAH writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
>>>>>> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow
>>>>>> break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a
>>>>>> distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #291 at
>>>>>>
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
>>>>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
>>>>
>>>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
>>>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
>>>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.
>>>
>>> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
>>> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
>>> problems with such HW.
>>>
>>
>> Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
>> makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
>> hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
>> guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
>> magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
>> culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
>> aka Damian O'Leary
>
> The ACPI and ATI issues are very, very well documented. Which makes you
> a rather said little man.

It's the "works for me" gang in high gear.
They have to defend the mother ship, ie:Linux.....

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On 2008-07-28, DFS wrote:
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>> Yeah. You're one to talk. All you do is try to harvest the help forums
>> for negative propaganda to use in your campaign of fear.
>
> s/negative propaganda to use in your campaign of fear/the truth about Linux/

Yeah... because the "sane" alternative to "just works" is "never works"...

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* Peter Köhlmann peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Hadron wrote:
>> JEDIDIAH writes:
>>>
>>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
>>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
>>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
>>
>> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
>> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
>> problems with such HW.
>
> Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
> makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
> hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
> guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
> magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
> culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
> aka Damian O'Leary

I guess these numbnuts think all personal computers use the same BIOS.

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Linonut writes:

> * Peter Köhlmann peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> JEDIDIAH writes:
>>>>
>>>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
>>>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
>>>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
>>>
>>> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
>>> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
>>> problems with such HW.
>>
>> Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
>> makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
>> hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
>> guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
>> magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
>> culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
>> aka Damian O'Leary
>
> I guess ....

Yup. You sure do.

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