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  1. Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the statement
    was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow break the
    kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a distro that
    frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."


    #291 at
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30



  2. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusableand frightening

    DFS wrote:
    > "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the statement
    > was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow break the
    > kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a distro that
    > frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
    >
    >
    > #291 at
    > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
    >
    >


    I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
    the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.

    Alias

  3. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
    > DFS wrote:
    >> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the statement
    >> was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow break the
    >> kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a distro that
    >> frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
    >>
    >>
    >> #291 at
    >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
    > the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.


    I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
    and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
    another "anecdote magnification" thread.

    The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.

    They work at it so hard too. If it were really all that then you
    wouldn't think they would need to. The drums would "beat themselves"
    rather than needing constant attention.

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  4. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    JEDIDIAH writes:

    > On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
    >> DFS wrote:
    >>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the statement
    >>> was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow break the
    >>> kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a distro that
    >>> frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> #291 at
    >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
    >> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.

    >
    > I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
    > and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
    > another "anecdote magnification" thread.
    >
    > The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.


    You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
    machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
    problems with such HW.

    > They work at it so hard too. If it were really all that then you
    > wouldn't think they would need to. The drums would "beat themselves"
    > rather than needing constant attention.


    The drums are beating. But you give nothing back so you are not involved
    in the help forums.

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  5. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    Hadron wrote:

    > JEDIDIAH writes:
    >
    >> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
    >>> DFS wrote:
    >>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
    >>>> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow
    >>>> break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a
    >>>> distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> #291 at
    >>>>

    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
    >>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.

    >>
    >> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
    >> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
    >> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
    >>
    >> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.

    >
    > You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
    > machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
    > problems with such HW.
    >


    Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
    makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
    hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
    guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
    magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
    culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
    aka Damian O'Leary

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  6. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    On 2008-07-28, Hadron wrote:
    > JEDIDIAH writes:
    >
    >> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
    >>> DFS wrote:
    >>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the statement
    >>>> was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow break the
    >>>> kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a distro that
    >>>> frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> #291 at
    >>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
    >>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.

    >>
    >> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
    >> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
    >> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
    >>
    >> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.

    >
    > You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different


    Cry all you want Lemming propaganda boy...

    > machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
    > problems with such HW.
    >
    >> They work at it so hard too. If it were really all that then you
    >> wouldn't think they would need to. The drums would "beat themselves"
    >> rather than needing constant attention.

    >
    > The drums are beating. But you give nothing back so you are not involved
    > in the help forums.


    Yeah. You're one to talk. All you do is try to harvest the help forums
    for negative propaganda to use in your campaign of fear.

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  7. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    Peter Köhlmann writes:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> JEDIDIAH writes:
    >>
    >>> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
    >>>> DFS wrote:
    >>>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
    >>>>> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow
    >>>>> break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a
    >>>>> distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> #291 at
    >>>>>

    > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
    >>>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
    >>>
    >>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
    >>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
    >>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
    >>>
    >>> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.

    >>
    >> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
    >> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
    >> problems with such HW.
    >>

    >
    > Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
    > makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
    > hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
    > guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
    > magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
    > culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
    > aka Damian O'Leary


    The ACPI and ATI issues are very, very well documented. Which makes you
    a rather said little man.

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  8. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    JEDIDIAH writes:

    > On 2008-07-28, Hadron wrote:
    >> JEDIDIAH writes:
    >>
    >>> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
    >>>> DFS wrote:
    >>>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the statement
    >>>>> was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow break the
    >>>>> kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a distro that
    >>>>> frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> #291 at
    >>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
    >>>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
    >>>
    >>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
    >>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
    >>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
    >>>
    >>> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.

    >>
    >> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different

    >
    > Cry all you want Lemming propaganda boy...
    >
    >> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
    >> problems with such HW.
    >>
    >>> They work at it so hard too. If it were really all that then you
    >>> wouldn't think they would need to. The drums would "beat themselves"
    >>> rather than needing constant attention.

    >>
    >> The drums are beating. But you give nothing back so you are not involved
    >> in the help forums.

    >
    > Yeah. You're one to talk. All you do is try to harvest the help forums
    > for negative propaganda to use in your campaign of fear.


    You seem to be confused again. Go and lie down and have a nice cup of
    tea.

    Now, did you try Nexuiz yet?

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  9. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    Alias wrote:
    > DFS wrote:
    >> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
    >> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches
    >> somehow break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable
    >> and a distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
    >>
    >>
    >> #291 at
    >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
    > the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.



    2 of 3 systems freeze: #282 at
    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=29

    Linux just works.



  10. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    On 2008-07-28, Hadron wrote:
    > Peter Köhlmann writes:
    >
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>
    >>> JEDIDIAH writes:
    >>>
    >>>> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
    >>>>> DFS wrote:
    >>>>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
    >>>>>> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow
    >>>>>> break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a
    >>>>>> distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> #291 at
    >>>>>>

    >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
    >>>>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
    >>>>
    >>>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
    >>>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
    >>>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
    >>>>
    >>>> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.
    >>>
    >>> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
    >>> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
    >>> problems with such HW.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
    >> makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
    >> hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
    >> guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
    >> magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
    >> culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
    >> aka Damian O'Leary

    >
    > The ACPI and ATI issues are very, very well documented. Which makes you
    > a rather said little man.


    Well then you should have no problems telling us which combinations
    of boards these problems occur with...

    Although there's a world of difference between "sometimes doesn't work"
    and "never works".

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  11. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    Hadron wrote:

    > Now, did you try Nexuiz yet?


    I tried it last night. Pretty good game, actually, considering it's based
    on the Quake1 engine.

    Quick 376mb download (Windows version), extract from .zip file, found the
    correct launcher (nexuiz-sdl.exe) and away it went. Worked flawlessly. I
    love it when that happens. The Crysis demo was like that (but 1gb+ download
    as I recall).



  12. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusableand frightening

    Hadron wrote:
    > Peter Köhlmann writes:
    >
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>
    >>> JEDIDIAH writes:
    >>>
    >>>> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
    >>>>> DFS wrote:
    >>>>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
    >>>>>> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow
    >>>>>> break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a
    >>>>>> distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> #291 at
    >>>>>>

    >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
    >>>>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
    >>>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
    >>>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
    >>>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
    >>>>
    >>>> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.
    >>> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
    >>> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
    >>> problems with such HW.
    >>>

    >> Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
    >> makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
    >> hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
    >> guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
    >> magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
    >> culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
    >> aka Damian O'Leary

    >
    > The ACPI and ATI issues are very, very well documented. Which makes you
    > a rather said little man.
    >


    A couple of the computers that I installed Hardy on have ATI cards and
    work perfectly with Compiz and everything.

    Alias

  13. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    JEDIDIAH wrote:

    > Yeah. You're one to talk. All you do is try to harvest the help forums
    > for negative propaganda to use in your campaign of fear.


    s/negative propaganda to use in your campaign of fear/the truth about Linux/



  14. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusableand frightening

    DFS wrote:
    > Alias wrote:
    >> DFS wrote:
    >>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
    >>> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches
    >>> somehow break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable
    >>> and a distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> #291 at
    >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
    >>>
    >>>

    >> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
    >> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.

    >
    >
    > 2 of 3 systems freeze: #282 at
    > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=29
    >
    > Linux just works.
    >
    >


    Of the dozens of computers that I have installed Ubuntu Hardy on, none
    freeze and about half of them have ATI cards.

    Alias

  15. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:25:36 +0200, Hadron wrote:

    > Peter Khlmann writes:
    >
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>
    >>> JEDIDIAH writes:
    >>>
    >>>> On 2008-07-28, Alias wrote:
    >>>>> DFS wrote:
    >>>>>> "It was not simply suggested that the kernel itself freezes, the
    >>>>>> statement was that it's either a kernel flaw, or Ubuntu patches somehow
    >>>>>> break the kernel in Hardy making it unreliable and unusable and a
    >>>>>> distro that frightens users away from upgrading/switching to."
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> #291 at
    >>>>>>

    >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=30
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have had Hardy since it came out and it has never frozen and that's
    >>>>> the case with dozens of install that I personally installed. Oops.
    >>>>
    >>>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
    >>>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
    >>>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
    >>>>
    >>>> The only thing creating fear around here is the trolls.
    >>>
    >>> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
    >>> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
    >>> problems with such HW.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
    >> makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
    >> hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
    >> guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
    >> magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
    >> culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
    >> aka Damian O'Leary

    >
    > The ACPI and ATI issues are very, very well documented. Which makes you
    > a rather said little man.


    It's the "works for me" gang in high gear.
    They have to defend the mother ship, ie:Linux.....

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  16. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    On 2008-07-28, DFS wrote:
    > JEDIDIAH wrote:
    >
    >> Yeah. You're one to talk. All you do is try to harvest the help forums
    >> for negative propaganda to use in your campaign of fear.

    >
    > s/negative propaganda to use in your campaign of fear/the truth about Linux/


    Yeah... because the "sane" alternative to "just works" is "never works"...

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  17. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    * Peter Khlmann peremptorily fired off this memo:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >> JEDIDIAH writes:
    >>>
    >>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
    >>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
    >>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.

    >>
    >> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
    >> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
    >> problems with such HW.

    >
    > Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
    > makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
    > hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
    > guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
    > magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
    > culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
    > aka Damian O'Leary


    I guess these numbnuts think all personal computers use the same BIOS.

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  18. Re: Linux: Ubuntu patches make their own kernel unreliable, unusable and frightening

    Linonut writes:

    > * Peter Köhlmann peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>> JEDIDIAH writes:
    >>>>
    >>>> I have also installed Ubuntu with onboard ATI video and ACPI enabled
    >>>> and not had any of the problems that were attributed to all of this in
    >>>> another "anecdote magnification" thread.
    >>>
    >>> You are a liar. I had ATI graphics and ACPI enabled on two different
    >>> machines and neither worked. A quick Google shows there are numerous
    >>> problems with such HW.

    >>
    >> Your inability and utter incompetence does not make him a liar. It just
    >> makes you an incompetent twit, "true linux advocate", "kernel
    >> hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
    >> guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
    >> magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
    >> culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
    >> aka Damian O'Leary

    >
    > I guess ....


    Yup. You sure do.

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