On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

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> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
>| Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"

Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
It is written by basement boys in their spare time.

>| [...]
>|
>| Myth 2: "Wine is bad for Linux"

Linux is bad for Wine.
It pollutes the taste....


>| [...]
>|
>| Myth 3: "Emulators like VMWare are better"


They are assuming you aren't too cheap to pay for them, like most Linux
users are.

|
>| [...]
>|
>| Myth 4: "You need Windows anyway"

Yep.

Legally....


|
>| [...]
>|
>| Myth 5: "Wine is bad, Winelib is better"

Who cares?
You just gave a perfect reason not to run Wine.
Nobody can figure it out.


|
>| [...]
>|
>| Myth 6: "Wine will always be playing catch up to Windows and can't possibly
>| succeed at running new applications"

15+ years and still the website says not for mission critical applications.
That says it all.


|

--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
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Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
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>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>
> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.



Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?

Which CPU is made by Microsoft?

Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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> ____/ Charlie Tame on Sunday 27 July 2008 13:09 : \____
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
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>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>
>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>
>>
>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>>
>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>
> Gary M Stewart (pseudonym "Goldfarb") is just try to harass other newsgroup.
> Simply ignore or killfile those posts.
>
> Here is how Microsoft itself explains the likes of Stewart the Munchkin:
>
> 'Use [...] the Internet, etc. to heighten the impression that the enemy is
> desperate, demoralized, defeated, [...] associated with mental deficiency,
> as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny". Just keep rubbing
> it in, via the [...] newsgroups, [...] make the complete failure of the
> competition's technology part of the mythology of the computer industry.'
>
> (reference PDF pages 45 & 55 on
> http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf - Comes vs Microsoft lawsuit )
>
> - --
> ~~ Best of wishes
>
> Roy S. Schestowitz | Holey (sic) Cow! Longhorn is full of holes...
> http://Schestowitz.com | GNU/Linux | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E
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Oh I know that, was just interested in this new technology he seems to
have suddenly invented...

Roy Schestowitz, ye befogged foul misshapen stigmatic, thy will is most
malignant, ye panted:

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> ____/ Charlie Tame on Sunday 27 July 2008 13:09 : \____
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
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>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>
>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>>
>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>>
>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>
> Gary M Stewart (pseudonym "Goldfarb") is just try to harass other
> newsgroup.
> Simply ignore or killfile those posts.

Linux****tard control freak.

> Here is how Microsoft itself explains the likes of Stewart the Munchkin:
>
> 'Use [...] the Internet, etc. to heighten the impression that the enemy is
> desperate, demoralized, defeated, [...] associated with mental deficiency,
> as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny". Just keep rubbing
> it in, via the [...] newsgroups, [...] make the complete failure of the
> competition's technology part of the mythology of the computer industry.'
>
> (reference PDF pages 45 & 55 on
> http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf - Comes vs Microsoft lawsuit )
>
> - --
> ~~ Best of wishes
>
> Roy S. Schestowitz | Holey (sic) Cow! Longhorn is full of holes...
> http://Schestowitz.com | GNU/Linux | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E
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____/ Charlie Tame on Sunday 27 July 2008 13:09 : \____

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
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>>>
>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>
>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>
>
>
> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>
> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?

Gary M Stewart (pseudonym "Goldfarb") is just try to harass other newsgroup.
Simply ignore or killfile those posts.

Here is how Microsoft itself explains the likes of Stewart the Munchkin:

'Use [...] the Internet, etc. to heighten the impression that the enemy is
desperate, demoralized, defeated, [...] associated with mental deficiency,
as in, "he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny". Just keep rubbing
it in, via the [...] newsgroups, [...] make the complete failure of the
competition's technology part of the mythology of the computer industry.'

(reference PDF pages 45 & 55 on
http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf - Comes vs Microsoft lawsuit )

- --
~~ Best of wishes

Roy S. Schestowitz | Holey (sic) Cow! Longhorn is full of holes...
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:09:19 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>
>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>
>
>
> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?

Windows code...

> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?

None. thank God


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:09:19 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>
>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>
>>
>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>
> Windows code...
>
>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>
> None. thank God
>
>

Windows code these days is often "Compiled" first to "Byte code" when
the program is written and then "Interpreted" from "Byte code" by such
the as .net framework to actual "Native" code the processor can run.
This is rather like writing a program in Java. In that case the Java
Virtual Machine is the "Interpreter" that converts it to the processor's
"Native" code.

Both of these processes are slower than writing something in C++ which
in turn is slower to execute than something written in Assembler for the
processor concerned.

As someone else pointed out running XP or Vista under an emulator like
VirtualBox can be just as fast as running dedicated on the host - quite
surprising since the operating system on the host can be used at the
same time. Some fancy graphics like Aero don't work, but everything else
does, so that kinda questions what overhead Aero places on the system.

Different people will always have different experiences and preferences,
and what suits you will likely not always suit me, although sometimes it
will. Both Windows and Linux varieties can be excellent for some people
in some circumstances, that may vary in other circumstances. Personally
I think learning alternatives is always a good thing. One of the useful
things about Linux (most of them) is that if you have a machine that has
no legal Windows, it's broken or you lost the CD etc, you can still
legally use that machine, for many people that s a useful thing but only
if the know about it. The last thing I would like to see is Microsoft go
down the toilet, but they also don't want their software stolen and I
don't want to steal it. There is no need to do either. That is a good
thing.

Charlie Tame wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:09:19 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>
>>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>>
>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>>
>> Windows code...
>>
>>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>>
>> None. thank God
>>
>>
>
> Windows code these days is often "Compiled" first to "Byte code" when
> the program is written and then "Interpreted" from "Byte code" by such
> the as .net framework to actual "Native" code the processor can run.
> This is rather like writing a program in Java. In that case the Java
> Virtual Machine is the "Interpreter" that converts it to the processor's
> "Native" code.
>
> Both of these processes are slower than writing something in C++

http://kano.net/javabench/data
Old, but still correct

See also here
http://www.ddj.com/cpp/184401976;jse...questid=471256

There are much more. Most benchmarks say that good Java code /can/
outperform C++

> which
> in turn is slower to execute than something written in Assembler for the
> processor concerned.

That is also an old myth. I have written extensivly in assembler in the
past, and it is still viable when trying to get the smallest possible code.
But it is next to impossible to get /faster/ code overall than for example
writing the same thing in C

< snip >
--
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Let it get in YOUR way. The problem for your problem.

Charlie Tame writes:

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:09:19 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>
>>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>>
>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>>
>> Windows code...
>>
>>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>>
>> None. thank God
>>
>>
>
> Windows code these days is often "Compiled" first to "Byte code" when
> the program is written and then "Interpreted" from "Byte code" by such
> the as .net framework to actual "Native" code the processor can
> run. This is rather like writing a program in Java. In that case the
> Java Virtual Machine is the "Interpreter" that converts it to the
> processor's "Native" code.

Who on earth told you this nonsense?

Peter Köhlmann writes:

> Charlie Tame wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:09:19 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>>>
>>> Windows code...
>>>
>>>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>>>
>>> None. thank God
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Windows code these days is often "Compiled" first to "Byte code" when
>> the program is written and then "Interpreted" from "Byte code" by such
>> the as .net framework to actual "Native" code the processor can run.
>> This is rather like writing a program in Java. In that case the Java
>> Virtual Machine is the "Interpreter" that converts it to the processor's
>> "Native" code.
>>
>> Both of these processes are slower than writing something in C++
>
> http://kano.net/javabench/data
> Old, but still correct
>
> See also here
> http://www.ddj.com/cpp/184401976;jse...questid=471256
>
> There are much more. Most benchmarks say that good Java code /can/
> outperform C++

Sure, if they both call libraries for most of the work and the Java one
is better optimised.

In the same way I could outsprint Carl Lewis if he had both legs chopped
off.

Only someone VERY clueless would EVER thing Java will run faster than
well designed C++.

>
>> which
>> in turn is slower to execute than something written in Assembler for the
>> processor concerned.
>
> That is also an old myth. I have written extensivly in assembler in the
> past, and it is still viable when trying to get the smallest possible code.
> But it is next to impossible to get /faster/ code overall than for example
> writing the same thing in C

One in a million assembler programmers might optimise better than a good
compiler. You are quite correct.

--
"Off the top of my head, I can't tell you which sites. They are ones that
throw up some kind of dialog, I change the user agent and look at them
again, then move on."
-- Rick telling lies in comp.os.linux.advocacy

> If you then add dual core or quad core then you get 2x and 4x speed
> improvement of business critical applications.

heh .. sounds like an OLD Apple computer marketing escapee ..


Rich

> Gary M Stewart (pseudonym "Goldfarb") is just try to harass other
> newsgroup.
> Simply ignore or killfile those posts.

Chutzpah ...
You'd know all about this tactic


Rich

> Who on earth told you this nonsense?


It blooms in the brains of these nonsensees magically it seems.
Not to worry, natural selection leaves these fabulist standing alone in the
night on the edges of windblown precipices, blinking endlessly at where
their fate has taken them.


Rich

Hadron wrote in news:g6ic8o$o4i$4
@registered.motzarella.org:

> Charlie Tame writes:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:09:19 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>>>
>>> Windows code...
>>>
>>>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>>>
>>> None. thank God
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Windows code these days is often "Compiled" first to "Byte code" when
>> the program is written and then "Interpreted" from "Byte code" by such
>> the as .net framework to actual "Native" code the processor can
>> run. This is rather like writing a program in Java. In that case the
>> Java Virtual Machine is the "Interpreter" that converts it to the
>> processor's "Native" code.
>
> Who on earth told you this nonsense?

Why is this nonsense ? And that's how it typically works. .Net-wise
anyway. Java can work that way to. It's called JIT, or Just-In-Time,
compiling, just in case you've never heard of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_...diate_Language

"Rich" wrote in
news:eiZpHtB8IHA.1420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

>
>> Who on earth told you this nonsense?
>
>
> It blooms in the brains of these nonsensees magically it seems.
> Not to worry, natural selection leaves these fabulist standing alone
> in the night on the edges of windblown precipices, blinking endlessly
> at where their fate has taken them.
>
>
> Rich
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_...diate_Language - Read the
general section.

DanS writes:

> Hadron wrote in news:g6ic8o$o4i$4
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> Charlie Tame writes:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:09:19 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>>>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>>>>
>>>> Windows code...
>>>>
>>>>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>>>>
>>>> None. thank God
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Windows code these days is often "Compiled" first to "Byte code" when
>>> the program is written and then "Interpreted" from "Byte code" by such
>>> the as .net framework to actual "Native" code the processor can
>>> run. This is rather like writing a program in Java. In that case the
>>> Java Virtual Machine is the "Interpreter" that converts it to the
>>> processor's "Native" code.
>>
>> Who on earth told you this nonsense?
>
> Why is this nonsense ? And that's how it typically works. .Net-wise

"Windows code" - there is no such thing. There can be code aimed at
Windows. One needs to be more specific.

> anyway. Java can work that way to. It's called JIT, or Just-In-Time,
> compiling, just in case you've never heard of it.


Can. It was stated that the Interpreter converts it to native code. It
does no such thing. The interpreter interprets it. The p-code that is.

>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_...diate_Language
>

There is a big difference between "Interpreter" and Compiler. Something
can compile source to p-code and later another one to native code then
the native code can exec. And interpreter does not do that. Unless words
have changed dramatically recently.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:21:33 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> DanS writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote in news:g6ic8o$o4i$4
>> @registered.motzarella.org:
>>
>>> Charlie Tame writes:
>>>
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:09:19 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>>>>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows code...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>>>>>
>>>>> None. thank God
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Windows code these days is often "Compiled" first to "Byte code" when
>>>> the program is written and then "Interpreted" from "Byte code" by such
>>>> the as .net framework to actual "Native" code the processor can
>>>> run. This is rather like writing a program in Java. In that case the
>>>> Java Virtual Machine is the "Interpreter" that converts it to the
>>>> processor's "Native" code.
>>>
>>> Who on earth told you this nonsense?
>>
>> Why is this nonsense ? And that's how it typically works. .Net-wise
>
> "Windows code" - there is no such thing. There can be code aimed at
> Windows. One needs to be more specific.
>
>> anyway. Java can work that way to. It's called JIT, or Just-In-Time,
>> compiling, just in case you've never heard of it.
>
>
> Can. It was stated that the Interpreter converts it to native code. It
> does no such thing. The interpreter interprets it. The p-code that is.
>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_...diate_Language
>>
>
> There is a big difference between "Interpreter" and Compiler. Something
> can compile source to p-code and later another one to native code then
> the native code can exec. And interpreter does not do that. Unless words
> have changed dramatically recently.

To clarify, what I meant was the Windows source code itself...

Point being I have yet to see an application that runs better under Wine
than under real, native Windows.
More often than not screen redraw and paint problems are typical of
programs running under Wine.

--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

On 2008-07-27, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> Charlie Tame wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:09:19 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:41:01 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debunking the Debunked WINE Myths
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>>> | Myth 1: "Wine is slow because it is an emulator"
>>>>> Wine is slow because it is WINE and not native Microsoft code.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please explain what Microsoft Native Code is?
>>>
>>> Windows code...
>>>
>>>> Which CPU is made by Microsoft?
>>>
>>> None. thank God
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Windows code these days is often "Compiled" first to "Byte code" when
>> the program is written and then "Interpreted" from "Byte code" by such
>> the as .net framework to actual "Native" code the processor can run.
>> This is rather like writing a program in Java. In that case the Java
>> Virtual Machine is the "Interpreter" that converts it to the processor's
>> "Native" code.
>>
>> Both of these processes are slower than writing something in C++
>
> http://kano.net/javabench/data
> Old, but still correct
>
> See also here
> http://www.ddj.com/cpp/184401976;jse...questid=471256
>
> There are much more. Most benchmarks say that good Java code /can/
> outperform C++
>
>> which
>> in turn is slower to execute than something written in Assembler for the
>> processor concerned.
>
> That is also an old myth. I have written extensivly in assembler in the
> past, and it is still viable when trying to get the smallest possible code.
> But it is next to impossible to get /faster/ code overall than for example
> writing the same thing in C

That's correct. Assembler is useful for coding critical sections such as
loops, where simple repeated actions such as pushing and popping a base
pointer and stackpointer (something that C does whenever it enters a
subroutine) add up to minutes of wasted time.

--
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

The only app that I may possibly want to use under WINE, is Internet
Explorer version 7. (to check website compatibility).

Is there anyone who was able to successfully install it under WINE?

i