Psyc Geek (TAB) wrote:

> This is a little database program I got for Ubuntu.
> It works, and for what it does, it seems to work well.
>
> Glom does not give me good comfort level.
> It is almost like the program interface was
> designed in the 80's to 90's.
>
> It has not errored. And it seems to work.
> It is just the interface seems to be designed
> by the Unix guy from the 80's.
>
> It has that design and concept.
>
> The concepts too. It is nothing like
> the cool interface and ease of use
> of FileMaker.
>
> But, at least it seems to work.
> And a programmer can figure it out.
> I am not sure a marketing guy could
> to make a small database.

Filemaker Pro is up to version 9, and has been around for some years, Glom
is up to version 1.7.1 and is not attempting to be Filemaker Pro. It simply
has some of its features.

The best part is that the Filemaker Pro web page advertises it as
a 'Universal Application'. Surely some mistake!

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:00:20 -0700 (PDT), Psyc Geek (TAB) wrote:

> This is a little database program I got for Ubuntu.
> It works, and for what it does, it seems to work well.

Surprising....

> Glom does not give me good comfort level.
> It is almost like the program interface was
> designed in the 80's to 90's.

Welcome to Linux where the UI is the last thing the OSS programmers
consider..


> It has not errored. And it seems to work.
> It is just the interface seems to be designed
> by the Unix guy from the 80's.

The Linux loons will love it!
Everyone else will hate it...


> It has that design and concept.
>
> The concepts too. It is nothing like
> the cool interface and ease of use
> of FileMaker.

Of course not.
The Linux loons probably stole the interface from some Windows or DOS
database program that flopped.


> But, at least it seems to work.
> And a programmer can figure it out.
> I am not sure a marketing guy could
> to make a small database.

Welcome to Linux where being a programmer is half the fun!


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

"Moshe Goldfarb." writes:

> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:00:20 -0700 (PDT), Psyc Geek (TAB) wrote:
>
>> This is a little database program I got for Ubuntu.
>> It works, and for what it does, it seems to work well.
>
> Surprising....
>
>> Glom does not give me good comfort level.
>> It is almost like the program interface was
>> designed in the 80's to 90's.
>
> Welcome to Linux where the UI is the last thing the OSS programmers
> consider..


Gregory Shearman is no record as saying that he thinks implementing a
consistent and decent UI is a waste of time for a programmer since
people can make do with any old crap since they're not idiots.

Amazing but true.

"Hadron" stated in post
g6gcju$uf$1@registered.motzarella.org on 7/26/08 4:39 PM:

> "Moshe Goldfarb." writes:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:00:20 -0700 (PDT), Psyc Geek (TAB) wrote:
>>
>>> This is a little database program I got for Ubuntu.
>>> It works, and for what it does, it seems to work well.
>>
>> Surprising....
>>
>>> Glom does not give me good comfort level.
>>> It is almost like the program interface was
>>> designed in the 80's to 90's.
>>
>> Welcome to Linux where the UI is the last thing the OSS programmers
>> consider..
>
>
> Gregory Shearman is no record as saying that he thinks implementing a
> consistent and decent UI is a waste of time for a programmer since
> people can make do with any old crap since they're not idiots.
>
> Amazing but true.

It is amazing how little knowledge of the issues surrounding technology so
many in COLA have.


--
The fact that OS X is growing and Linux isn't, tells you that OS X is
offering things that Linux is not.
- Mark Shuttleworth (founded Canonical Ltd. / Ubuntu Linux)

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:39:41 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> "Moshe Goldfarb." writes:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:00:20 -0700 (PDT), Psyc Geek (TAB) wrote:
>>
>>> This is a little database program I got for Ubuntu.
>>> It works, and for what it does, it seems to work well.
>>
>> Surprising....
>>
>>> Glom does not give me good comfort level.
>>> It is almost like the program interface was
>>> designed in the 80's to 90's.
>>
>> Welcome to Linux where the UI is the last thing the OSS programmers
>> consider..
>
>
> Gregory Shearman is no record as saying that he thinks implementing a
> consistent and decent UI is a waste of time for a programmer since
> people can make do with any old crap since they're not idiots.
>
> Amazing but true.

I have seen some very learned people get totally flomoxxed trying to use
Linux for even simple tasks.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Hi Moshe, I personally love to hear some contrarian and intelligently
phrased opinions, and stuff like that, but wanted to ask you to
slightly reduce their number, alt.os.linux.ubuntu becomes a little
harder to wade through. So perhaps you could post just slightly
less. Thanks a lot.

i

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* Snit peremptorily fired off this memo:

> "Hadron" stated in post
>> "Moshe Goldfarb." writes:
>>
>>> Welcome to Linux where the UI is the last thing the OSS programmers
>>> consider..
>>
>> Gregory Shearman is no record as saying that he thinks implementing a
>> consistent and decent UI is a waste of time for a programmer since
>> people can make do with any old crap since they're not idiots.
>>
>> Amazing but true.
>
> It is amazing how little knowledge of the issues surrounding technology so
> many in COLA have.

Naw, what is amazing is that you people think that most users cannot
learn.

Also amazing is the word-twisting that goes on. "Fraudron" is a
prime-cut example.

Finally, it is amazing that Snit equates UI issues with "technology",
and then follows it ups with a general smear of the capacities of a
group of Linux users.

This from the guy who posts his name on his web site, mispelled as
"MIchael".

In other words, /all/ of the quoted material above is misleading at
best, and insulting at worst.

Congratulations, trolls.

--
All the existing 2.0.x kernels are to buggy for 2.1.x to be the
main goal.
-- Alan Cox

"Linonut" stated in post
Vv1jk.7639$dP6.7085@bignews1.bellsouth.net on 7/27/08 9:41 AM:

> All other newsgroups trimmed.
>
> * Snit peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> "Hadron" stated in post
>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." writes:
>>>
>>>> Welcome to Linux where the UI is the last thing the OSS programmers
>>>> consider..
>>>
>>> Gregory Shearman is no record as saying that he thinks implementing a
>>> consistent and decent UI is a waste of time for a programmer since
>>> people can make do with any old crap since they're not idiots.
>>>
>>> Amazing but true.
>>
>> It is amazing how little knowledge of the issues surrounding technology so
>> many in COLA have.
>
> Naw, what is amazing is that you people think that most users cannot
> learn.

I do not believe this. You fabricated that claim about me. In other words:
you lied.

> Also amazing is the word-twisting that goes on. "Fraudron" is a
> prime-cut example.

You twisted his name. How ironic. LOL!

> Finally, it is amazing that Snit equates UI issues with "technology",

I did no such thing. You are again lying.

> and then follows it ups with a general smear of the capacities of a
> group of Linux users.

I have noted the weaknesses of many of the "advocates" in COLA. They
clearly know a *lot* less than they pretend to. This is simply a fact. Do
you need examples? Unlike many in COLA I am happy to provide them!

> This from the guy who posts his name on his web site, mispelled as
> "MIchael".

I did no such thing. Again you are lying.

> In other words, /all/ of the quoted material above is misleading at
> best, and insulting at worst.
>
> Congratulations, trolls.

You sure lie a lot.

--
The direct use of physical force is so poor a solution to the problem of
limited resources that it is commonly employed only by small children and
great nations. - David Friedman

Linonut writes:

> All other newsgroups trimmed.
>
> * Snit peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> "Hadron" stated in post
>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." writes:
>>>
>>>> Welcome to Linux where the UI is the last thing the OSS programmers
>>>> consider..
>>>
>>> Gregory Shearman is no record as saying that he thinks implementing a
>>> consistent and decent UI is a waste of time for a programmer since
>>> people can make do with any old crap since they're not idiots.
>>>
>>> Amazing but true.
>>
>> It is amazing how little knowledge of the issues surrounding technology so
>> many in COLA have.
>
> Naw, what is amazing is that you people think that most users cannot
> learn.

More lies from Liarnut. Where was this ever stated?

>
> Also amazing is the word-twisting that goes on. "Fraudron" is a
> prime-cut example.

Because you never do eh?

>
> Finally, it is amazing that Snit equates UI issues with "technology",
> and then follows it ups with a general smear of the capacities of a
> group of Linux users.

Where? In COLA? Yes. But not real Linux users. You seem think COLA is
somehow representative. It is not. COLA "advocates" are generally more
useless than a chocolate teapot. Yourself included.

> This from the guy who posts his name on his web site, mispelled as
> "MIchael".

Tut tut. Bad form.

>
> In other words, /all/ of the quoted material above is misleading at
> best, and insulting at worst.
>
> Congratulations, trolls.


--
"Off the top of my head, I can't tell you which sites. They are ones that
throw up some kind of dialog, I change the user agent and look at them
again, then move on."
-- Rick telling lies in comp.os.linux.advocacy

"Hadron" stated in post
g6ic6p$o4i$3@registered.motzarella.org on 7/27/08 10:44 AM:

> Linonut writes:
>
>> All other newsgroups trimmed.
>>
>> * Snit peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>
>>> "Hadron" stated in post
>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Welcome to Linux where the UI is the last thing the OSS programmers
>>>>> consider..
>>>>
>>>> Gregory Shearman is no record as saying that he thinks implementing a
>>>> consistent and decent UI is a waste of time for a programmer since
>>>> people can make do with any old crap since they're not idiots.
>>>>
>>>> Amazing but true.
>>>
>>> It is amazing how little knowledge of the issues surrounding technology so
>>> many in COLA have.
>>
>> Naw, what is amazing is that you people think that most users cannot
>> learn.
>
> More lies from Liarnut. Where was this ever stated?

Nowhere. As you note: he is lying.

>> Also amazing is the word-twisting that goes on. "Fraudron" is a
>> prime-cut example.
>
> Because you never do eh?

LOL!

>> Finally, it is amazing that Snit equates UI issues with "technology",
>> and then follows it ups with a general smear of the capacities of a
>> group of Linux users.
>
> Where? In COLA? Yes. But not real Linux users. You seem think COLA is
> somehow representative. It is not. COLA "advocates" are generally more
> useless than a chocolate teapot. Yourself included.

To be clear: I never *equated* the two.

>> This from the guy who posts his name on his web site, mispelled as
>> "MIchael".
>
> Tut tut. Bad form.

Also a lie from him. It was misspelled on a video site I do not control.

>> In other words, /all/ of the quoted material above is misleading at
>> best, and insulting at worst.
>>
>> Congratulations, trolls.
>



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The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.
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