DFS wrote:
> There are obviously lots of things that really suck about being a Linux
> user, but if you wacks could single out the top 3 it would be interesting.
>

Linux is a piece of junk just like any other O/S out there. It's a piece
of junk due to human beings have created it. When human beings become
perfect/infallible, which is not going to happen in anyone's lifetime,
then anything human beings do or create will be perfect/infallible.

DFS wrote:



Stewie, Stewie, Stewie. You don't get it do you? No-one cares about your
pathetic whining.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewie_Griffin

DFS wrote:

> There are obviously lots of things that really suck about being a Linux
> user, but if you wacks could single out the top 3 it would be interesting.

Sure, here they are:

- Having to hear "Linux sucks" from trolls all the time. OK, this one's
solved easily: stay out of newsgroups, or use a killfile.

- Having to debunk the myth of poor hardware support all the time. In
reality, over 95% of Linux installs result in a flawlessly working hardware
setup -- printers, scanners, wireless and all. As for the remaining less
than 5%: hardware is cheap, and if you don't mind second-hand stuff, it's
often even free. Last week, one of my new users needed a computer screen
(her old 15" CRT had kicked the bucket), but couldn't afford buying a new
flat panel. So I looked around on the Dutch version of eBay, and found her
a working 19" Iiyama CRT monitor for all of ten bucks, at just five minutes
driving distance. And as she went and picked it up, she was given an HP
flatbed USB scanner as well -- for free. We hooked everything up, and sure
enough, everything worked perfectly in less than a minute.

- Having to hear "Sorry, but we only sell machines including operating
system" when shopping for a new laptop -- by which the sales droids mean
that you'll get to pay for Vista, whether you like (or even use) it or not.
Although this situation is improving rapidly now, with Asus and others
offering excellent little laptops running Linux (as opposed to crawling w/
Vista). But it's still a bit of a problem if you want a powerful machine.
I guess there's some sort of industry-wide agreement to prevent offering
users a fast, reliable product, to keep users shelling out wads of cash
for "better, faster" products in the future. Oh yes, continuous advances in
hardware indeed deliver ever more powerful machines -- but "advances" in
proprietary software such as Vista more than compensate for this.

Hope this helps, best regards,

Richard Rasker
--
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Richard Rasker wrote:
> DFS wrote:
>
>> There are obviously lots of things that really suck about being a Linux
>> user, but if you wacks could single out the top 3 it would be
>> interesting.
>
> Sure, here they are:
>
> - Having to hear "Linux sucks" from trolls all the time. OK, this one's
> solved easily: stay out of newsgroups, or use a killfile.

- Watching the monopoly continually employ barriers to entry by
discontinuing own proprietary file import support with newer office
automation versions, new scripted language support requiring proprietary
software for access, employing sleeper cells who insist in instilling and
maintaining lock-in, once inside a company or Government agency.

> - Having to debunk the myth of poor hardware support all the time. In
> reality, over 95% of Linux installs result in a flawlessly working
> hardware setup -- printers, scanners, wireless and all. As for the
> remaining less than 5%: hardware is cheap, and if you don't mind
> second-hand stuff, it's often even free. Last week, one of my new users
> needed a computer screen (her old 15" CRT had kicked the bucket), but
> couldn't afford buying a new flat panel. So I looked around on the Dutch
> version of eBay, and found her a working 19" Iiyama CRT monitor for all of
> ten bucks, at just five minutes driving distance. And as she went and
> picked it up, she was given an HP flatbed USB scanner as well -- for free.
> We hooked everything up, and sure enough, everything worked perfectly in
> less than a minute

- Side stepping the issue by continually declaring that Linux only
supports older, "obsolete" hardware.

> - Having to hear "Sorry, but we only sell machines including operating
> system" when shopping for a new laptop -- by which the sales droids mean
> that you'll get to pay for Vista, whether you like (or even use) it or
> not. Although this situation is improving rapidly now, with Asus and
> others offering excellent little laptops running Linux (as opposed to
> crawling w/ Vista). But it's still a bit of a problem if you want a
> powerful machine. I guess there's some sort of industry-wide agreement to
> prevent offering users a fast, reliable product, to keep users shelling
> out wads of cash for "better, faster" products in the future. Oh yes,
> continuous advances in hardware indeed deliver ever more powerful machines
> -- but "advances" in proprietary software such as Vista more than
> compensate for this.

Well, there is good news. Ever heard of Windows being installed on a
mainframe? :-)

Yes, it is oxymoronish to have a fast CPU slowed down to a speed
commensurate to a slower machine with an earlier operating system. Worse
is to listen to the Windroid drones harp on how much superior the slug is
to more optimally efficient Linux (can you say Beryl?)

Oh, and ....

- Having to listen to the trash artists' drones on stability problems with
the Linux desktop and distorted posts on problems taken grossly out of
context.

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* Richard Rasker peremptorily fired off this memo:

> DFS wrote:
>
>> There are obviously lots of things that really suck about being a Linux
>> user, but if you wacks could single out the top 3 it would be interesting.
>
> Sure, here they are:
>
> - Having to hear "Linux sucks" from trolls all the time.
> - Having to debunk the myth of poor hardware support all the time.
> - Having to hear "Sorry, but we only sell machines including operating
> system" when shopping for a new laptop...

Actually, I don't find anything that sucks about being a Linux user. I
love it.

What sucks is the time I have to spend dealing with Windows and its slow
consoles and a paucity of easy-to-install one-stop tools.

Luckily, a guy at work is a decent Windows user, and I can ask him which
Windows software is decent and which is best avoided. Unfortunately
each package is usually installed in its own directory, which means
there's no easy way to call it from the command-line.

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Linonut wrote:

> Luckily, a guy at work is a decent Windows user, and I can ask him which
> Windows software is decent and which is best avoided. Unfortunately
> each package is usually installed in its own directory, which means
> there's no easy way to call it from the command-line.

- Listening to the Windroids continuously harp on how everything in Linux
must be done through the command-line.

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* High Plains Thumper peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Linonut wrote:
>
>> Luckily, a guy at work is a decent Windows user, and I can ask him which
>> Windows software is decent and which is best avoided. Unfortunately
>> each package is usually installed in its own directory, which means
>> there's no easy way to call it from the command-line.
>
> - Listening to the Windroids continuously harp on how everything in Linux
> must be done through the command-line.

The funny thing is, it is very often faster to type in the app-name
(with auto-completion allow the name to be found with fewer keystrokes)
and hit Enter, than it is to

o Move to the desktop (on Windows, move all the way down to "Start")
o Right click
o Slide to the correct entry (worse if nested down a level or two)
o Click

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:40:51 -0400, DFS wrote:

> There are obviously lots of things that really suck about being a Linux
> user, but if you wacks could single out the top 3 it would be
> interesting.
>
> Is it:
>
> * the random freezing and hesitations? * the amateurish (cr)apps?
> * the lack of games?
> * the problems with hardware detection? * the reduced choices in
> hardware?
> * the updates that break things?
> * the menu items that don't launch?
> * the constant tweaking just to keep the crapware running? * the way
> things just quit working from one day to the next? * the ACPI=off just
> so it won't randomly freeze? * the complete system crashes?
> * the doing without certain websites? * the cultish need to blame MS for
> your own inadequacies? * the 70's look of some apps?
> * the ego-deflating sub-1% marketshare? * the reduced job prospects?
> * the need to lie and exaggerate about Linux? * the need to refer to
> blogs as "proof"? * the cryptic and useless error messages ("unknown
> playback error")? * the ridiculous, inconsistent cut/copy/paste fiascos?
> * the anti-success mentality embraced by many "advocates"? * the
> widespread discrimination against women practiced by the OSS
> "community"?
> * that some vendors recommend XP on the same page they sell Linux
> systems? * that Linux is freeloaded by RedHat and Novell and Xandros,
> who charge exorbitant amounts for support?
> * the need to ignore instances of Linux being rooted and hacked? *
> resigning yourself to a veritable lifetime of Linux problems and
> hassles? * the need for mnemonics (such as "Raising Elephants Is So
> Utterly Boring") to help you remember how to regain control of your
> errant crapware? * the really lousy office software, such as OO Calc
> which has 1/1024the capacity of Excel 2007?
>
> Which of these?

Since I've experienced none of those problems, I'd have to say: not much.

On 2008-07-11, Linonut claimed:
> * High Plains Thumper peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> Linonut wrote:
>>
>>> Luckily, a guy at work is a decent Windows user, and I can ask him which
>>> Windows software is decent and which is best avoided. Unfortunately
>>> each package is usually installed in its own directory, which means
>>> there's no easy way to call it from the command-line.
>>
>> - Listening to the Windroids continuously harp on how everything in Linux
>> must be done through the command-line.
>
> The funny thing is, it is very often faster to type in the app-name
> (with auto-completion allow the name to be found with fewer keystrokes)
> and hit Enter, than it is to
>
> o Move to the desktop (on Windows, move all the way down to "Start")
> o Right click
> o Slide to the correct entry (worse if nested down a level or two)

o Accidentally slide outside the menu area where something is
nested several deep and watching the nested menu disappear so
one gets to start over again

> o Click
>


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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:40:51 -0400, DFS wrote:

> There are obviously lots of things that really suck about being a Linux
> user, but if you wacks could single out the top 3 it would be interesting.
>
> Is it:
>
> * the random freezing and hesitations?
> * the amateurish (cr)apps?
> * the lack of games?
> * the problems with hardware detection?
> * the reduced choices in hardware?
> * the updates that break things?
> * the menu items that don't launch?
> * the constant tweaking just to keep the crapware running?
> * the way things just quit working from one day to the next?
> * the ACPI=off just so it won't randomly freeze?
> * the complete system crashes?
> * the doing without certain websites?
> * the cultish need to blame MS for your own inadequacies?
> * the 70's look of some apps?
> * the ego-deflating sub-1% marketshare?
> * the reduced job prospects?
> * the need to lie and exaggerate about Linux?
> * the need to refer to blogs as "proof"?
> * the cryptic and useless error messages ("unknown playback error")?
> * the ridiculous, inconsistent cut/copy/paste fiascos?
> * the anti-success mentality embraced by many "advocates"?
> * the widespread discrimination against women practiced by the OSS
> "community"?
> * that some vendors recommend XP on the same page they sell Linux systems?
> * that Linux is freeloaded by RedHat and Novell and Xandros, who charge
> exorbitant amounts for support?
> * the need to ignore instances of Linux being rooted and hacked?
> * resigning yourself to a veritable lifetime of Linux problems and hassles?
> * the need for mnemonics (such as "Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring")
> to help you remember how to regain control of your errant crapware?
> * the really lousy office software, such as OO Calc which has 1/1024the
> capacity of Excel 2007?
>
> Which of these?

I would say being associated with lunatics from comp.os.linux.advocacy
like:

RoySchestowitz
[Homer]
High Plains Thumper
Marti
Linonut
Phil The Dick
Greg Shearman
William "Filters" Poaster

and a few other sick, paranoid, mentally ill Linux zealots.

There is nothing worse than trying to support Linux, both by writing
software and by advocating Linux when appropriate than being associated
with a pack of vermin like the above.

A person like Roy Schestowitz who posts 1000's of off topic messages per
week to COLA and other places so that he can generate hits on his website
and get compensated by his masters is a one stop shopping emporium for a
wack job.

This guy is a professional student who SPAMS this tripe 24x7.

So the worst part of being a Linux user is the stigma of being associated
with loony people like Roy Schestowitz.

These people do far more harm to Linux and the Linux community than they
will ever realize.

If Schestowitz really cared about Linux he would spend his time in the help
groups offering his assistance with Linux problems.
But then he would have to do this for free and he doesn't like that idea.
Of course he expects the others to give it up for free though.

A typical loony Linux advocate in action.



--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

On 2008-07-11, DFS wrote:
> There are obviously lots of things that really suck about being a Linux
> user, but if you wacks could single out the top 3 it would be interesting.
>
> Is it:
>
> * the random freezing and hesitations?

Nope, never seen it.

> * the amateurish (cr)apps?

A disputable subjective matter.

> * the lack of games?

I'd rather use the wii-mote.

> * the problems with hardware detection?

Linux works better than Windows in this area.

> * the reduced choices in hardware?

This is less of a problem than you make it out ot be.

> * the updates that break things?

Here's another one of your myths supported by miscounting the results
of Google searches. It's much like your claims about Linux and Flash.

> * the menu items that don't launch?

Even if this were a problem it would still be only a minor irritant
in comparison to what you can get with Windows.

> * the constant tweaking just to keep the crapware running?

More of your Flash style nonsense.

> * the way things just quit working from one day to the next?

More of your Flash style nonsense.

> * the ACPI=off just so it won't randomly freeze?

More of your Flash style nonsense.

> * the complete system crashes?

More of your Flash style nonsense.

> * the doing without certain websites?

Like which ones? Got some you can't live without.

Name them.

Probably more of your Flash style nonsense.

> * the cultish need to blame MS for your own inadequacies?
> * the 70's look of some apps?

If the look fits, don't be afaid to use it.

> * the ego-deflating sub-1% marketshare?

You need a really pathetic ego for this to bother you.

> * the reduced job prospects?

It's actually quite the opposite here in the real world.

> * the need to lie and exaggerate about Linux?

More of your Flash style nonsense.

> * the need to refer to blogs as "proof"?

More of your Flash style nonsense.

> * the cryptic and useless error messages ("unknown playback error")?

You must be confused and thinking of Windows.

> * the ridiculous, inconsistent cut/copy/paste fiascos?

Do you use any Windows apps for which this would be relevant?

> * the anti-success mentality embraced by many "advocates"?

This is just silly.

> * the widespread discrimination against women practiced by the OSS
> "community"?

Time for you to go back to high school english class.

> * that some vendors recommend XP on the same page they sell Linux systems?

Big fat hairy deal.

> * that Linux is freeloaded by RedHat and Novell and Xandros, who charge
> exorbitant amounts for support?

Obviously you've never worked in support or needed the sort of support
services that companies like Redhat, Novell, IBM or Oracle provide.

> * the need to ignore instances of Linux being rooted and hacked?

Nonsense. We will gladly point out the REAL problem.

Edison style scare mongering doesn't do anyone any good.

> * resigning yourself to a veritable lifetime of Linux problems and hassles?

They've always been much less than the Windows hassles. That's why I switched.

> * the need for mnemonics (such as "Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring")
> to help you remember how to regain control of your errant crapware?

See previous comment about bad rhetoric.

> * the really lousy office software, such as OO Calc which has 1/1024the
> capacity of Excel 2007?

Anytime you are actually able to go into this in any detail I am ALL EARS.

I suspect that humanity will achieve faster than light travel before a
Lemming actually manages to prove that their office suite is better than
a hockey puck (nevermind another office suite).

>
> Which of these?
>
>
>
>
>


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In article <3FJdk.22993$LL4.16773@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
Linonut wrote:
> The funny thing is, it is very often faster to type in the app-name
> (with auto-completion allow the name to be found with fewer keystrokes)
> and hit Enter, than it is to
>
> o Move to the desktop (on Windows, move all the way down to "Start")
> o Right click
> o Slide to the correct entry (worse if nested down a level or two)
> o Click

Have you measured this?




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* Tim Smith peremptorily fired off this memo:

> In article <3FJdk.22993$LL4.16773@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
> Linonut wrote:
>> The funny thing is, it is very often faster to type in the app-name
>> (with auto-completion allow the name to be found with fewer keystrokes)
>> and hit Enter, than it is to
>>
>> o Move to the desktop (on Windows, move all the way down to "Start")
>> o Right click
>> o Slide to the correct entry (worse if nested down a level or two)
>> o Click
>
> Have you measured this?

Only subjectively.

But, on a Windows box, the constant need to clicky-click eventually
worms its way into my consciousness, and then it really bugs me.

>

Nice little article!

The guy who refuses to provide keyboard shortcuts is being idiot,
though.

I hope he at least provides test functions that he can call from a test
framework. Unless he's one of those programmers who doesn't believe in
unit testing, integration testing, and regression testing.

--
But then it's a bit odd to think that declaring something int could
actually slow down the program, if it ended up forcing more conversions
back to string.
-- Larry Wall in <199708040319.UAA16213@wall.org>

DFS wrote:

> Is it:

....jealous, drooling WinTrolls oozing their slime throughout Linux
newsgroups?

Yes, as a matter of fact. Very perceptive of you.

--
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"There's a story there...somewhere"

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, DFS

wrote
on Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:40:51 -0400
:
> There are obviously lots of things that really suck about being a Linux
> user, but if you wacks could single out the top 3 it would be interesting.
>
> Is it:
>
> * the random freezing and hesitations?

How specific of you. At least with my nx9010 the
hesitations appear to be correlated with heavy disk I/O.

> * the amateurish (cr)apps?

You'll have to be more specific. Of course there's crap and there's
crap; that Microsoft "ribbon" GUI looks pretty but does it serve any
useful purpose? Ditto for compiz, actually.

> * the lack of games?

And what games does Linux lack? Eternal Lands is a popular MMORPG with
a Linux client. UT2004 works fine. Quake 4 has a Linux variant,
easily installable.

> * the problems with hardware detection?

Be more specific....?

> * the reduced choices in hardware?

Be more specific....?

> * the updates that break things?

Be more specific....?

(Anyone else sensing a theme here?)

> * the menu items that don't launch?

Be more specific....?

Gnome in particular gives me what I might expect:

ERROR

Could not launch application

Failed to execute child process
"stupid" (No such file or directory)

This is of course exactly what I specified when I created the launch
button in my Gnome panel.

If I create ~/bin/stupid, it then works.

> * the constant tweaking just to keep the crapware running?

Be more specific....?

> * the way things just quit working from one day to the next?

Be more specific....?

> * the ACPI=off just so it won't randomly freeze?

That could be a problem.

> * the complete system crashes?

That could be a problem.
Be more specific....?

> * the doing without certain websites?

Be more specific....?

> * the cultish need to blame MS for your own inadequacies?

Be more specific....?

> * the 70's look of some apps?

Ah, I see. All applications must have a modern gradated GUI with
multicolored buttons, even ones such as text editors.

> * the ego-deflating sub-1% marketshare?

And this is a problem with Linux precisely...why? This might be a
problem with the selling of Linux, certainly.

> * the reduced job prospects?

"Linux programmer wanted": 186
"Windows programmer wanted": 50
"Win32 programmer wanted": 0
"GTK programmer wanted": 0
"Gnome programmer wanted": 1, and it's not a job apparently
"ActiveX programmer wanted": 0
"Java programmer wanted": 1290
"C# programmer wanted": 293
"C++ programmer wanted": 1430
"PHP programmer wanted": 5280 (!!)
"Perl programmer wanted": 924
"ASP programmer wanted": 872
"VB programmer wanted": 537
"Visual Basic programmer wanted": 10
".NET programmer wanted": 1760
"XSL programmer wanted": 0
"Qt programmer wanted": 9
"KDE programmer wanted": 0

Make of all this what one will.

> * the need to lie and exaggerate about Linux?

Be more specific....?

> * the need to refer to blogs as "proof"?

Nothing can prove, unless one's referring to the mathematical realm.

> * the cryptic and useless error messages ("unknown playback error")?

Be more specific....?

> * the ridiculous, inconsistent cut/copy/paste fiascos?

A legitimate complaint. Part of it is X history, part of it
attempts in X to emulate the success of Windows and Mac.

> * the anti-success mentality embraced by many "advocates"?

Be more specific....?

> * the widespread discrimination against women practiced by the OSS
> "community"?

Be more specific....?

> * that some vendors recommend XP on the same page they sell Linux systems?

Dell in particular. A legitimate complaint, but not about Linux.

> * that Linux is freeloaded by RedHat and Novell and Xandros, who charge
> exorbitant amounts for support?

?? That didn't exactly parse.

> * the need to ignore instances of Linux being rooted and hacked?

A legitimate complaint.

> * resigning yourself to a veritable lifetime of Linux problems and hassles?

I'm not resigned. Be more specific?

> * the need for mnemonics (such as "Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring")
> to help you remember how to regain control of your errant crapware?

As opposed to Ctrl-Alt-Delete, I suppose.

> * the really lousy office software, such as OO Calc which has 1/1024the
> capacity of Excel 2007?
>
> Which of these?
>

All of them, of course.

Did you want to extol on the many fine virtues of
Vista in your next post?

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:18:17 -0700, Tim Smith quoth:

> In article <3FJdk.22993$LL4.16773@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
> Linonut wrote:
>> The funny thing is, it is very often faster to type in the app-name
>> (with auto-completion allow the name to be found with fewer keystrokes)
>> and hit Enter, than it is to
>>
>> o Move to the desktop (on Windows, move all the way down to "Start")
>> o Right click
>> o Slide to the correct entry (worse if nested down a level or two)
>> o Click
>
> Have you measured this?
>
>

it would be cool to see an actual summary of the research the writer
refers to, look at how they arrived at these results.

the Idea I go into a swoon of amnesia deliberating about writing 'ls'
seems implausible to me on the face of it.

Felmon

Felmon wrote:

> the Idea I go into a swoon of amnesia deliberating about writing 'ls'
> seems implausible to me on the face of it.

Yeah, that command is really hard to learn. But for the Wintroll, each
little baby step is a grueling journey.

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:11:04 -0500, RonB quoth:

> Felmon wrote:
>
>> the Idea I go into a swoon of amnesia deliberating about writing 'ls'
>> seems implausible to me on the face of it.
>
> Yeah, that command is really hard to learn. But for the Wintroll, each
> little baby step is a grueling journey.

it would be instructive to look at the referenced study. for (my) sanity's
sake, I hope they made a _fair_ selection of test subjects. but the idea a
people fall into a reverie considering the alternative command-line
options seems at best to apply to complete newbies.

I must say though it kind of makes using the command-line sound like
almost 'stoned' fun (while mousing is 'boring'). I doubt if that was
intended though.

of course I suppose this research is inaccessible.

Felmon

The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, DFS
>
> wrote
> on Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:40:51 -0400
> :
>> There are obviously lots of things that really suck about being a
>> Linux user, but if you wacks could single out the top 3 it would be
>> interesting.
>>
>> Is it:
>>
>> * the random freezing and hesitations?
>
> How specific of you. At least with my nx9010 the
> hesitations appear to be correlated with heavy disk I/O.

RedHat: "I have a PC with RedHat Linux installed...at regular times, weekly
exactly the same time!, the PC 'freezes'? ... There's nothing I can do at
that moment besides a hardware reboot."
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...reezes-601972/

Debian Etch: "I installed debian etch. Ran fine for a while, then the same
freezing problem."
#148 at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=412125&page=15

Suse 10.3: "Last few days I have been confronted with a weird behavior of my
SUSE 10.3 system. Several time a day all of the sudden it freezes. Then I
have to reboot ... "
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...hlight=freezes

Slackware 12.0: "Bit worrisome this. I have had two system freezes today on
my new Slackware 12 installation."
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...hlight=freezes

Mint 4.0: "So I switched [from Gentoo] to Linux Mint 4.0 and in the last 3
days I have had 2 system freezes."
http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic...freezes#p67069

PCLinuxOS: "About 4 times each day, the whole system freezes up."
1st post at http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=35878.0

DreamLinux: "...I clicked on PLAY for one of the sounds and the entire
system froze."
http://dreamlinuxforums.org/index.php/topic,1217.0.html

Mandriva 2008: "...did a clean install of Mandriva 2008 and it has been
freezing a lot, regardless of what i am doing."
http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic....3a9dc185854a5a

Sabayon: "...took 27hrs to install.....till I try to do anything......next
thing my task bar disappears...my program selector disappears...I do
anything....it freezes up solid.."
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/forum/vi...freezes#p67138

ArchLinux: "I have Asus A6M Q0050 and last three weeks I experience random
freezes."
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=44765

CentOS 5.1: "It just simply freezes."
http://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/...forumpost37948

Ubuntu 8.04: "Hardy is BY FAR the worst Ubuntu version yet. LOCKUP
WARNING!!! Some users, myself included, are experiencing random total
lockups."
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ux/+bug/204996

Fedora 8: "I've been having frequent lock-ups with Fedora 8 for some days."
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/...hlight=freezes

Puppy: "The whole system freezes after a short time."
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/vie...323145&t=27550





>> * the amateurish (cr)apps?
>
> You'll have to be more specific. Of course there's crap and there's
> crap; that Microsoft "ribbon" GUI looks pretty but does it serve any
> useful purpose? Ditto for compiz, actually.

Dia
Kivio
OpenOffice Base
Gambas
Gnome Nautilus
Evolution
MySQL
RhythmBox
Amarok
KOffice,
Evolution,
Inkscape,
cups,
vim,
gnucash
....
....
....




>> * the lack of games?
>
> And what games does Linux lack? Eternal Lands is a popular MMORPG
> with a Linux client. UT2004 works fine. Quake 4 has a Linux variant,
> easily installable.

Linux lacks virtually every good game in the world.



>> * the problems with hardware detection?
>
> Be more specific....?

Results 1 - 10 of about 180,000 for Linux and "failed to detect".



>> * the reduced choices in hardware?
>
> Be more specific....?

sound cards
wireless cards
graphics cards
hard drives
mobos
printers
scanners
CD\DVD burners
memory card readers
mice
joysticks



>> * the updates that break things?
>
> Be more specific....?

In these 3 threads you'll find many examples of Ubuntu updates which
completely hosed the victims' systems:

86 pages of complaints about Feisty 7.04 freezing up
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=412125

65 pages of complaints about Gutsy 7.10 freezing up
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...ghlight=freeze

15 pages of complaints about Hardy 8.04 freezing up
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...ghlight=freeze




>> * the menu items that don't launch?
>
> Be more specific....?

The 4 db menu entries in my recent Debian Etch install
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/...aunch_apps.png

The 13 various entries last time I installed Knoppix

1 System | gscanbus won't start
2 System | i810rotate flashes and won't start
3 System | KRandRTray won't start
4 System | Xconsole throws error - says 'couldn't
open console'
5 Emulators | Bochs won't start
6 Emulators | XTel won't start
7 Development | KDE | KDevelop Designer won't
start - throws a SIGSEGV fault every time.
8 Development | KDE | KDevelop Assistante won't
start - throws a SIGSEGV fault every time.
9 Development | Monodoc (http) won't start
10 Games | Adventure | Falcon's Eye won't start -
flashes and back to the desktop
11 Lost & Found | E-Gnome won't start
12 Lost & Found | xfce calendar won't start
13 KANOTIX | Network/Internet | My PPP conf won't
start

Course, that was a year ago and everything is fixed in the latest release...



>> * the constant tweaking just to keep the crapware running?
>
> Be more specific....?

Just ask any cola "advocate" about the daily hassles of Linux.



>> * the way things just quit working from one day to the next?
>
> Be more specific....?

ml2mst: "I've been working with SUSE since 1998, but for some mysterious
reason, it simply stopped working a couple of months ago."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....78b83a1137b1f5

kernel developers just quit working: "Then I quit forever."
http://apcmag.com/interview_with_con...he_desktop.htm

Samba just quits working: "Then some of this suddenly stopped working."
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-49548.html

Samba just quits working: "My computer just stopped sharing its folder
(which had worked perfectly) one day"
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-49548.html

keyboard just quits working: "While entering data in Krecipes package
keyboard quit inputing characters"
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6617_102...sageID=2615582

keyboard just quits working: "..the keyboard would work for awhile and then
just quit."
http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/..._this_notebook

yum just quits working: "this has worked for about four months and today it
has stopped working."
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archiv.../t-119325.html

network just quits working: "I noticed some times my network will just quit
working and won't reconnect even if i plug it into a cable nothing works and
I have to reboot."
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...ux/+bug/152456

wireless just quits working: "Wireless connection just quits working.
Windows will connect just fine."
http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/lo...hp/t33604.html

DNS just quits working: "...DNS has just quit working."
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=243482

printing just quits working: "...printnig would just quit working for all
apps..."
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/deb...underbird.html

audio player just quits working: "... the Audio Player program just quit
working one day and hasn't worked since."
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=14453

PCMCIA card just quits working: "...one day, the connection simply quit
working."..."The card works fine in win98se, and I have no problems
connecting to our router, which is a USR8054."
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26032

graphics just quit working: "When the WU restarted the graphics window did
not come back."
http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/forum_thread.php?id=468

sound just quits working: "I was watching a movie in movie player and the
right sound channel cut out. Then about 10 seconds later, the left cut out.
I rebooted and still no sound. My sound is turned up all the way too. I'm
not sure what I will do. Reinstall something I guess."
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=342041

Linuxconf just quits working: "Does Linuxconf actually work? When I use it,
it tends to mess up my config files (at least for Apache) and always tell me
some process is taking too long. Sometimes it seems to just quit on me."
http://rasterweb.net/raster/computers/linux.html

Mandriva 2006 just quits working: "My Mandriva2006 just quit working !"
http://dunedin.lug.net.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=42838






>> * the ACPI=off just so it won't randomly freeze?
>
> That could be a problem.

could be/is/

Results 1 - 10 of about 137,000 for Linux and "ACPI=off".

Also in these 3 threads you'll various examples of victims having to set
ACPI=off to reduce random freezing:

86 pages of complaints about Feisty 7.04 freezing up
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=412125

65 pages of complaints about Gutsy 7.10 freezing up
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...ghlight=freeze

15 pages of complaints about Hardy 8.04 freezing up
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...ghlight=freeze




>> * the complete system crashes?
>
> That could be a problem.
> Be more specific....?

"With KDE 4, I actually saw complete system crashes."
http://practical-tech.com/operating-...ust-plain-bad/

Random kernel panics on boot
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=826279



>> * the doing without certain websites?
>
> Be more specific....?

TAB mentioned one the other day - Toyota financial I think it was.


>> * the cultish need to blame MS for your own inadequacies?
>
> Be more specific....?

The entire history of cola "advocacy"




>> * the 70's look of some apps?
>
> Ah, I see. All applications must have a modern gradated GUI with
> multicolored buttons, even ones such as text editors.

Anything's better than
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/That_70s_Show.png
or
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/Debian_eyecandy.png

(I have to fess up - I somewhat enjoy using Midnight Commander because it's
quick)



>> * the ego-deflating sub-1% marketshare?
>
> And this is a problem with Linux precisely...why?
> This might be a problem with the selling of Linux, certainly.

Because it leads to...

>> * the reduced job prospects?
>
> "Linux programmer wanted": 186
> "Windows programmer wanted": 50
> "Win32 programmer wanted": 0
> "GTK programmer wanted": 0
> "Gnome programmer wanted": 1, and it's not a job apparently
> "ActiveX programmer wanted": 0
> "Java programmer wanted": 1290
> "C# programmer wanted": 293
> "C++ programmer wanted": 1430
> "PHP programmer wanted": 5280 (!!)
> "Perl programmer wanted": 924
> "ASP programmer wanted": 872
> "VB programmer wanted": 537
> "Visual Basic programmer wanted": 10
> ".NET programmer wanted": 1760
> "XSL programmer wanted": 0
> "Qt programmer wanted": 9
> "KDE programmer wanted": 0
>
> Make of all this what one will.

196 jobs were Linux-specific (Linux, Gnome, Qt)
3522 were Windows-specific (Windows, C#, ASP, VB, VB, .NET)
35:1 ratio is what I'll make of it.


>> * the need to lie and exaggerate about Linux?
>
> Be more specific....?

The entire history of cola "advocacy"



>> * the need to refer to blogs as "proof"?
>
> Nothing can prove, unless one's referring to the mathematical realm.

Spamowitz seems to think blogs (including his own) lend proof to his
psychotic bull****.




>> * the cryptic and useless error messages ("unknown playback error")?
>
> Be more specific....?

How? That's the entire error message
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/...hmbox_slop.png



>> * the ridiculous, inconsistent cut/copy/paste fiascos?
>
> A legitimate complaint. Part of it is X history, part of it
> attempts in X to emulate the success of Windows and Mac.

Linux just works!



>> * the anti-success mentality embraced by many "advocates"?
>
> Be more specific....?

Homer
Spamowitz
7
Ghost
Andrew Halliwell
Richard Rasker
Gidget




>> * the widespread discrimination against women practiced by the OSS
>> "community"?
>
> Be more specific....?

http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/...rimination.jpg




>> * that some vendors recommend XP on the same page they sell Linux
>> systems?
>
> Dell in particular. A legitimate complaint, but not about Linux.

http://www.acer.co.th/product/travel...00/index_p.htm



>> * that Linux is freeloaded by RedHat and Novell and Xandros, who
>> charge exorbitant amounts for support?
>
> ?? That didn't exactly parse.

Low or unpaid crapware developers write GPL code. RedHat, Novell and
Xandros sell it for outrageous amounts, while the crapware developers aren't
remunerated.



>> * the need to ignore instances of Linux being rooted and hacked?
>
> A legitimate complaint.

"Linux is secure." (period)



>> * resigning yourself to a veritable lifetime of Linux problems and
>> hassles?
>
> I'm not resigned. Be more specific?

You are resigned, but you've conditioned yourself to expect Linux hassles.



>> * the need for mnemonics (such as "Raising Elephants Is So Utterly
>> Boring") to help you remember how to regain control of your errant
>> crapware?
>
> As opposed to Ctrl-Alt-Delete, I suppose.

Not the same.



>> * the really lousy office software, such as OO Calc which has
>> 1/1024the capacity of Excel 2007?
>>
>> Which of these?
>>
>
> All of them, of course.

I just want your Top 3.



> Did you want to extol on the many fine virtues of
> Vista in your next post?

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