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This is a discussion on If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have to agree to the license terms in order to use it? - Linux ; On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:18:52 +0100, Homer wrote: > Verily I say unto thee, that Linonut spake thusly: >> * alt peremptorily fired off this memo: >>>> "William Poaster" wrote in message >>>> news an.2008.06.02.18.55.38.125707@leafnode.AMD64.eu... >>>>> On Mon, 02 ...

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  1. Re: OpenOffice is free and you own it, but Sun mistakenly thought you have to agree to LGPL license terms in order to use it?

    On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:18:52 +0100, Homer wrote:

    > Verily I say unto thee, that Linonut spake thusly:
    >> * alt peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>>> "William Poaster" wrote in message
    >>>> newsan.2008.06.02.18.55.38.125707@leafnode.AMD64.eu...
    >>>>> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:08:32 -0400, Linonut wrote:

    >
    >>>>>> Zeke is a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.
    >>>>> A few bricks short of a building.
    >>> A few chips shy of a full board.....

    >> And a few hotfixes short of a service-pack.

    > And a few troll-posts short of a paycheque.
    >
    > For the benefit of a) those too stupid to understand licensing and b)
    > those who have an aversion to MeToo posts, here's the explanation for the
    > dialogue box:
    >
    > As it clearly states in that dialogue box, the software may have been
    > obtained with one of several licensing conditions. If it were not for the
    > existence of alternatively licensed versions and trademarks, then there
    > would be no need for confirmation. Remember Sun also sells Star Office,
    > which shares the same OOo codebase.
    >
    > Those who get OpenOffice through their distro vendor, typically never see
    > this dialogue box (this is certainly true of Fedora, for example).


    And for Mandriva, PCLOS & Kubuntu.

    > Even upstream have decided that this license confirmation box is quite
    > unnecessary, and have removed it:
    >
    >
    > Description: Opened: Mon Apr 7 11:38:00 +0000 2008
    >
    > - follow up issue for 22905:
    > - showing license at office start is no longer needed - therefore license
    > dialog for installation is obsolete too
    >
    > http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=88008
    >
    > Also see:
    >
    >
    > OOo is now LGPL only. In issue 23755 it is stated that acceptance of GPL
    > license agreement is not required for each individual user.
    >
    > ...
    >
    > I'm fine with the removal of the LGPL license agreement dialog. set target
    > 3.0 for this.
    >
    >
    > http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=22905
    >
    > Part of the issue is, as stated above, that OOo is (was) released under
    > several different licenses, but much of the confusion stems from the fact
    > that Sun were traditionally a proprietary software vendor, and are
    > somewhat backwards when it comes to fully understanding the ethos of Free
    > Software. To them, a license agreement confirmation is (was) an inherent
    > part of software deployment ... it's just taken them a while to figure out
    > that such things do not apply in the world of Free Software.
    >
    > Mozilla seems to have repeated that mistake with Firefox 3, but then the
    > MPL is not exactly the GPL, and Mozilla does have a bit of a reputation
    > for enforcing additional restrictions on their "Free" Software. Red Hat
    > Legal are currently talking to Mozilla about this new "issue".


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  2. Re: If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have toagree to the license terms in order to use it?

    On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:17:55 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    > The license:
    > http://www.openoffice.org/license.html
    >
    >
    >
    > And here's the MANDATORY license agreement you must accept:
    > http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup...up_license.png
    >


    "You can freely modify, extend, and improve the OpenOffice.org source
    code. The LGPL requires that all changes must be made available if
    published. For more information on the LGPL, please also visit the Free
    Software Foundation's FAQ: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html."



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  3. Re: If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have toagree to the license terms in order to use it?

    On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:01:25 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    > "William Poaster" wrote in message
    > newsan.2008.06.02.18.55.38.125707@leafnode.AMD64.eu...
    >> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:08:32 -0400, Linonut wrote:
    >>
    >>> * Ramon F Herrera peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>>
    >>>> On Jun 2, 12:17 pm, "Ezekiel" wrote:
    >>>>> The license:http://www.openoffice.org/license.html
    >>>>>
    >>>>> And here's the MANDATORY license agreement you must
    >>>>> accept:http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup_guide/img/

    setup_license.png
    >>>>
    >>>> Retarded Ezekiel:
    >>>>
    >>>> "If air is free, how come I cannot do anything I want with it?"
    >>>
    >>> Zeke is a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.

    >>
    >> A few bricks short of a building.

    >
    > Another "me too, me too" post from dumb Willy who's never had an
    > original thought in his life.
    >
    >

    As opposed to you, who makes accusations you refuse to even try to
    validate.





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  4. Re: OpenOffice is free and you own it, but Sun mistakenly thoughtyou have to agree to LGPL license terms in order to use it?

    On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:38:38 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

    > On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:18:52 +0100, Homer wrote:
    >
    >
    >> For the benefit of a) those too stupid to understand licensing and b)
    >> those who have an aversion to MeToo posts, here's the explanation for
    >> the dialogue box:

    >
    > I'll make sure and let the 8 people or so who are using OpenOffice know
    > about this earth shattering revelation.
    >
    > Hint: the license dialog box is the least of Open Offices worries.


    And what worries does OO.o have?

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  5. Re: If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have to agree to the license terms in order to use it?

    On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:49:36 -0500, Rick wrote:

    > On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:17:55 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
    >
    >> The license:
    >> http://www.openoffice.org/license.html
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> And here's the MANDATORY license agreement you must accept:
    >> http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup...up_license.png
    >>

    >
    > "You can freely modify, extend, and improve the OpenOffice.org source
    > code. The LGPL requires that all changes must be made available if
    > published. For more information on the LGPL, please also visit the Free
    > Software Foundation's FAQ: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html."


    Well gee willickers!
    Can you please have someone speed the dammed thing up?


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  6. Re: OpenOffice is free and you own it, but Sun mistakenly thought you have to agree to LGPL license terms in order to use it?

    On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:50:56 -0500, Rick wrote:

    > On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:38:38 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:18:52 +0100, Homer wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> For the benefit of a) those too stupid to understand licensing and b)
    >>> those who have an aversion to MeToo posts, here's the explanation for
    >>> the dialogue box:

    >>
    >> I'll make sure and let the 8 people or so who are using OpenOffice know
    >> about this earth shattering revelation.
    >>
    >> Hint: the license dialog box is the least of Open Offices worries.

    >
    > And what worries does OO.o have?


    You have to be kidding...
    Please stop wasting my time.

    Try playing find it with jeddiah....
    I don't have time for your fluff....

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    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  7. Re: If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have to agree to the license terms in order to use it?

    AZ Nomad wrote:

    >>>>> Retarded Ezekiel:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "If air is free, how come I cannot do anything I want with it?"
    >>>>
    >>>> Zeke is a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.
    >>>
    >>> A few bricks short of a building.

    >
    >>A few cells short of a brain.

    >
    >Just a few? He's a full brain short of having a brain.


    A few wits short of a fsck.


  8. Re: If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have to agree to the license terms in order to use it?

    On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:56:13 -0500, chrisv wrote:
    >AZ Nomad wrote:


    >>>>>> Retarded Ezekiel:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "If air is free, how come I cannot do anything I want with it?"
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Zeke is a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.
    >>>>
    >>>> A few bricks short of a building.

    >>
    >>>A few cells short of a brain.

    >>
    >>Just a few? He's a full brain short of having a brain.


    >A few wits short of a fsck.


    An entire file system short of a file system.

  9. Re: If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have to agree to the license terms in order to use it?

    * AZ Nomad peremptorily fired off this memo:

    > On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:56:13 -0500, chrisv wrote:
    >>AZ Nomad wrote:

    >
    >>>>>>> Retarded Ezekiel:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "If air is free, how come I cannot do anything I want with it?"
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Zeke is a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> A few bricks short of a building.
    >>>
    >>>>A few cells short of a brain.
    >>>
    >>>Just a few? He's a full brain short of having a brain.

    >
    >>A few wits short of a fsck.

    >
    > An entire file system short of a file system.


    A few service-packs short of an OS.

    --
    I really had a lot of dreams when I was a kid, and I think a great deal of
    that grew out of the fact that I had a chance to read a lot.
    -- Bill Gates

  10. Re: OpenOffice is free and you own it, but Sun mistakenly thoughtyou have to agree to LGPL license terms in order to use it?

    Verily I say unto thee, that Rick spake thusly:
    > On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:38:38 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:


    >> Hint: the license dialog box is the least of Open Offices worries.


    Hint: You've been bitch-slapped and you're not man enough to admit you
    were wrong.

    > And what worries does OO.o have?


    Considering its 24% market penetration into one of the Vole's two cash
    cows ... not much, I'd say:

    http://www.computerworlduk.com/commu...=475&blogid=14

    Microsoft OTOH...

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  11. Re: If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have to agree to the license terms in order to use it?

    On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:10:21 -0400, Linonut wrote:
    >* AZ Nomad peremptorily fired off this memo:


    >> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:56:13 -0500, chrisv wrote:
    >>>AZ Nomad wrote:

    >>
    >>>>>>>> Retarded Ezekiel:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "If air is free, how come I cannot do anything I want with it?"
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Zeke is a couple sandwiches short of a picnic.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> A few bricks short of a building.
    >>>>
    >>>>>A few cells short of a brain.
    >>>>
    >>>>Just a few? He's a full brain short of having a brain.

    >>
    >>>A few wits short of a fsck.

    >>
    >> An entire file system short of a file system.


    >A few service-packs short of an OS.


    A whole OS short of an OS.

  12. Re: If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have to agree to the license terms in order to use it?


    "Rick" wrote in message
    news:JY6dnctnXZZmv9nVnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@supernews.co m...
    > Ezekiel wrote:
    >> The license:
    >> http://www.openoffice.org/license.html
    >>
    >> And here's the MANDATORY license agreement you must accept:
    >> http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup...up_license.png
    >>
    >>

    >
    > You don't own OpenOffice any more than you own any other software. It is
    > licensed. Are you that stupid, that dishonest, or both?


    Oh... so in order to use OpenOffice the user does have to agree to this
    thing commonly called the EULA. I thought that EULA's were evil and was
    something that only Microsoft forced upon its users. But here we have
    OpenOffice forcing people to accept a user license agreement.


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  13. Re: OpenOffice is free and you own it, but Sun mistakenly thoughtyou have to agree to LGPL license terms in order to use it?

    On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:50:56 -0500, Rick wrote:

    > On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:38:38 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:18:52 +0100, Homer wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> For the benefit of a) those too stupid to understand licensing and b)
    >>> those who have an aversion to MeToo posts, here's the explanation for
    >>> the dialogue box:

    >>
    >> I'll make sure and let the 8 people or so who are using OpenOffice know
    >> about this earth shattering revelation.
    >>
    >> Hint: the license dialog box is the least of Open Offices worries.

    >
    > And what worries does OO.o have?


    Good question. I use it exclusively here, even in an office dominated by
    MS Office, and I've encountered no difficulties.

    I discovered a week or three back I'm not the only one running it - there
    are at least two others, both non-technical users.

    Hmm. In one small office we have three OOo users, but Moshe thinks there
    are only 8, total. This, of course, explains the millions of downloads.


  14. Re: If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have toagree to the license terms in order to use it?

    Ezekiel wrote:
    > "Rick" wrote in message
    > news:JY6dnctnXZZmv9nVnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@supernews.co m...
    >> Ezekiel wrote:
    >>> The license:
    >>> http://www.openoffice.org/license.html
    >>>
    >>> And here's the MANDATORY license agreement you must accept:
    >>> http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup...up_license.png
    >>>
    >>>

    >> You don't own OpenOffice any more than you own any other software. It is
    >> licensed. Are you that stupid, that dishonest, or both?

    >
    > Oh... so in order to use OpenOffice the user does have to agree to this
    > thing commonly called the EULA. I thought that EULA's were evil and was
    > something that only Microsoft forced upon its users. But here we have
    > OpenOffice forcing people to accept a user license agreement.
    >


    If a person wants to use OpenOffice, they are required to adhere to a
    license. If they don't want to adhere to the license, they can uninstall
    OO.o, without having to worry about fighting to get a refund. They don't
    have to worry about not getting a refund because they opened the box.

    Deal with it.

  15. Re: If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have to agree to the license terms in order to use it?


    "Rick" wrote in message
    news:RLqdndSq_td0FdjVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@supernews.co m...
    > Ezekiel wrote:
    >> "Rick" wrote in message
    >> news:JY6dnctnXZZmv9nVnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@supernews.co m...
    >>> Ezekiel wrote:
    >>>> The license:
    >>>> http://www.openoffice.org/license.html
    >>>>
    >>>> And here's the MANDATORY license agreement you must accept:
    >>>> http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup...up_license.png
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> You don't own OpenOffice any more than you own any other software. It is
    >>> licensed. Are you that stupid, that dishonest, or both?

    >>
    >> Oh... so in order to use OpenOffice the user does have to agree to this
    >> thing commonly called the EULA. I thought that EULA's were evil and was
    >> something that only Microsoft forced upon its users. But here we have
    >> OpenOffice forcing people to accept a user license agreement.

    >
    > If a person wants to use OpenOffice, they are required to adhere to a
    > license. If they don't want to adhere to the license, they can uninstall
    > OO.o, without having to worry about fighting to get a refund. They don't
    > have to worry about not getting a refund because they opened the box.


    So even though there have been dozens, perhaps hundreds of posts whining
    about how Microsoft "makes you" agree to a EULA/license suddenly having to
    agree to a license is not a big deal anymore. Since OO makes you agree it's
    no longer cruel, mean and evil to make people accept a license before using
    software. Like a good liar^h^h^h "advocate" you move the goal posts and
    licenses are no longer evil, it's getting a refund that's the problem.


    > Deal with it.

    Deal with what was actually said before. Don't keep rewriting history and
    moving goal posts.



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  16. Re: OpenOffice is free and you own it, but Sun mistakenly thought you have to agree to LGPL license terms in order to use it?

    * Kelsey Bjarnason peremptorily fired off this memo:

    > On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:50:56 -0500, Rick wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:38:38 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >>
    >>> I'll make sure and let the 8 people or so who are using OpenOffice know
    >>> about this earth shattering revelation.
    >>>
    >>> Hint: the license dialog box is the least of Open Offices worries.

    >>
    >> And what worries does OO.o have?

    >
    > Good question. I use it exclusively here, even in an office dominated by
    > MS Office, and I've encountered no difficulties.
    >
    > I discovered a week or three back I'm not the only one running it - there
    > are at least two others, both non-technical users.
    >
    > Hmm. In one small office we have three OOo users, but Moshe thinks there
    > are only 8, total. This, of course, explains the millions of downloads.


    http://www.computerworlduk.com/commu...=475&blogid=14

    One of the recent additions to the portfolio is Alfresco's Open
    Source Barometer. This is not an unbiased view, since it consists of
    an opt-in survey of Alfresco's customers. Because they are using
    Alfresco's products, they are more likely to be deploying other open
    source applications. And the fact that they bothered taking part
    suggests a certain enthusiasm which is likely to skew the results yet
    further. Counterbalancing these factors is the increased number
    taking part in this, the second, Open Source Barometer survey:
    35,000, significantly up from the 10,000 who took part in the first
    survey six months ago.

    . . .

    One of the most interesting additions to the survey this year is a
    question about which office suite people use. Overall, OpenOffice.org
    chalks up a very respectable 24% to Microsoft Office's 66%. This is a
    much higher penetration than I would have guessed for open source on
    the desktop, and suggests that among those adopting open source
    programs OpenOffice.org is doing really well -- pretty much at
    the Firefox level of success.`

    --
    When you want to do your homework, fill out your tax return, or see all the
    choices for a trip you want to take, you need a full-size screen.
    -- Bill Gates

  17. Re: If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have toagree to the license terms in order to use it?

    "Rick" stated in post
    J--dnS7_EfoYwdjVnZ2dnUVZ_r3inZ2d@supernews.com on 6/2/08 7:57 PM:

    > Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:49:36 -0500, Rick wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:17:55 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> The license:
    >>>> http://www.openoffice.org/license.html
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> And here's the MANDATORY license agreement you must accept:
    >>>> http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup...up_license.png
    >>>>
    >>> "You can freely modify, extend, and improve the OpenOffice.org source
    >>> code. The LGPL requires that all changes must be made available if
    >>> published. For more information on the LGPL, please also visit the Free
    >>> Software Foundation's FAQ: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html."

    >>
    >> Well gee willickers!
    >> Can you please have someone speed the dammed thing up?
    >>
    >>

    > Is it your position that all complex software upgrades are "faster" then
    > previous versions?


    Er? What even made you think of that?


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  18. Re: If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have toagree to the license terms in order to use it?

    On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:15:50 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    > "Rick" wrote in message
    > news:RLqdndSq_td0FdjVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@supernews.co m...
    >> Ezekiel wrote:
    >>> "Rick" wrote in message
    >>> news:JY6dnctnXZZmv9nVnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@supernews.co m...
    >>>> Ezekiel wrote:
    >>>>> The license:
    >>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/license.html
    >>>>>
    >>>>> And here's the MANDATORY license agreement you must accept:
    >>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup...up_license.png
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>> You don't own OpenOffice any more than you own any other software. It
    >>>> is licensed. Are you that stupid, that dishonest, or both?
    >>>
    >>> Oh... so in order to use OpenOffice the user does have to agree to
    >>> this thing commonly called the EULA. I thought that EULA's were evil
    >>> and was something that only Microsoft forced upon its users. But here
    >>> we have OpenOffice forcing people to accept a user license agreement.

    >>
    >> If a person wants to use OpenOffice, they are required to adhere to a
    >> license. If they don't want to adhere to the license, they can
    >> uninstall OO.o, without having to worry about fighting to get a refund.
    >> They don't have to worry about not getting a refund because they opened
    >> the box.

    >
    > So even though there have been dozens, perhaps hundreds of posts whining
    > about how Microsoft "makes you" agree to a EULA/license suddenly having
    > to agree to a license is not a big deal anymore. Since OO makes you
    > agree it's no longer cruel, mean and evil to make people accept a
    > license before using software. Like a good liar^h^h^h "advocate" you
    > move the goal posts and licenses are no longer evil, it's getting a
    > refund that's the problem.
    >
    >
    >> Deal with it.

    > Deal with what was actually said before. Don't keep rewriting history
    > and moving goal posts.


    I am not responsible for what other people say or write, or your
    interpretations. -I- have not said licenses, in and of themselves are
    evil, so I am not moving any goal posts.

    IMO, the US has traveled very far from the original reasons why the
    Founding Fathers allowed copyrights and patents, and other restrictions
    of use of information by the people.

    IMO, it should be against the law to not give refunds to people that,
    once having read the license and decided not to accept it are refused a
    refund when they try to return the product.

    --
    Rick

  19. Re: If OpenOffice is free and you own it, then why do you have to agree to the license terms in order to use it?

    Moshe Goldfarb (flatfish) in real life Gary Stewart

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  20. Re: OpenOffice is free and you own it, but Sun mistakenly thought you have to agree to LGPL license terms in order to use it?

    Moshe Goldfarb (flatfish) in real life Gary Stewart

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    * Nym shifting (see below)
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