Vista is Dead here comes Windows ME Too - Linux
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| -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ____/ Ian Hilliard on Thursday 29 May 2008 02:59 : \____ >
> > http://www.channelnews.com.au/Hardwa...tware/T8A5Q4P4 > > Ian I strongly urge you to read the following, right from the horse's own mouth: "In the face of strong competition, Evangelism's focus may shift immediately to the next version of the same technology, however. Indeed, Phase 1 (Evangelism Starts) for version x+1 may start as soon as this Final Release of version X." http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf Microsoft, internal document "Strong competition," eh Microsoft? Thanks the the admission. - -- ~~ Best of wishes "One smaller motivation which, in part, stems from altruism is Microsoft-bashing." --Vinod Valloppillil, Microsoft -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIPg9bU4xAY3RXLo4RAod+AJ9D3LFU8arI0R/5H/5UMEPFVKgF+QCeL8+F lX2w4Ugp5Eahiolq8IHq2wA= =C+QY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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> > http://www.channelnews.com.au/Hardwa...tware/T8A5Q4P4 > > Ian I can almost wait. |
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| In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ian Hilliard wrote on Thu, 29 May 2008 09:59:46 +0800 <1212026272.662923@angel.amnet.net.au>: >
> > http://www.channelnews.com.au/Hardwa...tware/T8A5Q4P4 > > Ian I'll admit to wondering how much difference it makes. Windows 7 will be just as eagerly bought as WinVista, and everyone (well, OK, almost everyone; those that buy from specialty suppliers such as Eracks and System76 and others, or that build their own machines from component parts, will still be happy but they won't necessarily have Win7 on *their* boxes) will happily take home their machines with Win7 thereon, plug them in, and be happy. It's a drug, I tell ya... ;-) -- #191, ewill3@earthlink.net /dev/signature: No such file or directory ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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| On May 28, 9:59 pm, Ian Hilliard >
When Microsoft starts announcing Vapor-ware less than 18 months after the release of their latest release, you know they know they have a bomb and need to do damage control. As usual, the announcement is being carefully timed to try and give Microsoft as much bargaining leverage as possible during their annual negotiations with the top OEMs. In addition, many corporate customers have service contracts that are about to expire, and these companies may opt for perpetual use "per employee" licenses, which means that Microsoft gets no more revenue from them. But lets look at some of the previous vaporware efforts of Microsoft. In 1987, Digital Research was offering an MS-DOS compatible operating system with true multitasking, and GEM offered a multitasking Windows environment. Unix was also gaining popularity, especially as the Atari ST, Commodore Amiga, and . Microsoft announced that MS-DOS 4.0 would have multitasking instead of TSRs. It didn't even get close to true multitasking. About all they really delivered was an interrupt that COULD be used to switch from one TSR to another, which nobody wanted to use. Microsoft didn't deliver true useful preemptive multitasking until Windows NT 4.0, nearly 10 years after the promised multitasking. Windows 1.0 through 3.0 were technical and business disasters. Windows 3.0 got Windows onto the desktop of new 80386 users, but Microsoft was facing competition from Unix, especially Sun workstations and Dell's SCO powered desktop machines. Sun had captured 15% of the corporate workstation market, and SCO was in every fast food franchise, it was also in every stock brokerage that was a member of the NASD. X11r4 had been released, and the standard was creating a popular framework. In addition, SCO had OpenDesktop, which included many of the features we now associate with Microsoft Office. Microsoft released 3.1 and almost immediately, it became appearant that it wasn't good enough, so Bill Gates speaking as the Keynote speaker at the Consumer Electronics Show the year Windows 3.1 was released, announced Windows "New Technology" and he promised that NT would be "A better Unix than Unix". Even Windows XP doesn't have most of the features found in SunOS 4.0 and SCO OpenDesktop, that was almost 10 years later. Windows NT 3.1 was released and was a horrible bomb. The cost of making the switch was huge, several times the price of the computer itself, and the NT 3.1 system was pretty much incompatible with most 3rd party Windows 3.1 and WFW applications. Worse, NT was almost 2 years later than promised, and by the time it was finally released, there were other competitors in the wings, including SLS Linux, Novell UnixWare, IBM OS/2, Red Hat Unix, and SCO Unix for desktops. So Bill announced "Chicago", which later became known as Windows 95. The biggest features, other than being "NT Lite", was plug-n-play, which was an attempt to emulate a feature that Linux had introduced in the fall of 1994, nearly 1 year before Microsoft introduced it in Windows 95 (in August of 1995). > This is not the first time that Microsoft has had problems with its > operating system, there was Windows Me. Now Bill Gates and Microsoft CEO > Steve Ballmer have teamed up to spruik Windows 7 and its all-new user > interface. At the D: All Things Digital conference in the USA the pair > overnight gave a hint of what is to come. So again, we have Microsoft hyping vapor-ware. > During a brief onstage demo of Windows 7, a Microsoft software designer made > the puzzling choice to unveil a new "multi touch" feature by working with a > paint program, evoking memories of the original Macintosh paint program in > 1984. She then used the touch-sensitive technology with a photo collection > and a mapping program, evoking comparisons to both the iPhone and Google > Maps, which already have similar capabilities. Another classic example of Microsoft attempting to tout other people's technology, as their own "Innovations". Unfortunately, this time, Microsoft is attempting to claim "ownership" of technology that their competitors have been using for years. But this time, it's technology which has been used by hundreds of millions of users who know the competitor products, so Microsoft claiming it as "Innovation" really doesn't help. The fact that users have been able to do this with Java applications and applets, and flash displays, on Windows XP isn't going to help Microsoft make an overwhelming argument for it's vapor- ware. > Another new feature appeared to be a circular pop-up menu that provided > a "concierge" function. (You can watch a video of the multi touch feature > on the Microsoft Vista blog). Microsoft says it will provide some details > about Windows 7, the successor to Windows Vista, at its Professional > Developers Conference in Los Angeles in late October. > Again, this is another "ho-hum" function. Linux has lots of tools to better facilitate huge assortments of applications, and to keep them organized on multiple virtual desktops, with or without the rotating "Cube". Some things Microsoft could put in that would make it exciting: A Unix based kernel, Microsoft got the rights from SCO, so they can do it now. Virtual Desktops - Xerox owns this, but it might be worth settling. Better support for Multiple OS options including: Partition managers that let you shrink existing partitions. Support for running as Xen Client. Support for running as a client to Unix or Linux. > http://www.channelnews.com.au/Hardwa...tware/T8A5Q4P4 > Ian |
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| Verily I say unto thee, that Rex Ballard spake thusly: > On May 28, 9:59 pm, Ian Hilliard >> Vista is Officially Dead Here Comes Windows 7 I hereby name this Vapourware "Windows ME3". May God bless her, and all who sink with her. > When Microsoft starts announcing Vapor-ware less than 18 months after > the release of their latest release, you know they know they have a > bomb and need to do damage control. AFAICT the Vole has been in damage control mode pretty much since Vista's RTM. This isn't even an announcement, it's just spin. >> During a brief onstage demo of Windows 7, a Microsoft software >> designer made the puzzling choice to unveil a new "multi touch" >> feature by working with a paint program, evoking memories of the >> original Macintosh paint program in 1984. She then used the >> touch-sensitive technology with a photo collection and a mapping >> program, evoking comparisons to both the iPhone and Google Maps, >> which already have similar capabilities. > > Another classic example of Microsoft attempting to tout other > people's technology, as their own "Innovations". It's another classic example of Microsoft completely missing the point; wasting time on useless fluff; and failing to address technical issues with /actual/ improvements: Quote:
Looks like Windows ME3 victims have even more problems, ahem, I mean "features" to "look forward" to ... some time in the distant future, assuming the Vole even /has/ a future. -- K. http://slated.org ..---- | 'When it comes to knowledge, "ownership" just doesn't make sense' | ~ Cory Doctorow, The Guardian. http://tinyurl.com/22bgx8 `---- Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.23.8-63.fc8 07:14:11 up 160 days, 3:50, 6 users, load average: 0.13, 0.17, 0.24 |
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| On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:59:46 +0800, Ian Hilliard wrote: > During a brief onstage demo of Windows 7, a Microsoft software designer > made the puzzling choice to unveil a new "multi touch" feature by > working with a paint program, evoking memories of the original Macintosh > paint program in 1984. She then used the touch-sensitive technology with > a photo collection and a mapping program, evoking comparisons to both > the iPhone and Google Maps, which already have similar capabilities. How is doing away with the keyboard an improvement? All you end up with is a non-standard keyboard on screen. After all the time it has taken to design keyboards that people can easily use, and that are the same whatever software you are using, it seems perverse to chuck all of that way in favour of some gimmick where MS sets the standards for layout and design. -- Facts are sacred ... but comment is free |
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| Robin T Cox > On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:59:46 +0800, Ian Hilliard wrote: > >> During a brief onstage demo of Windows 7, a Microsoft software designer >> made the puzzling choice to unveil a new "multi touch" feature by >> working with a paint program, evoking memories of the original Macintosh >> paint program in 1984. She then used the touch-sensitive technology with >> a photo collection and a mapping program, evoking comparisons to both >> the iPhone and Google Maps, which already have similar capabilities. > > How is doing away with the keyboard an improvement? All you end up with > is a non-standard keyboard on screen. After all the time it has taken to > design keyboards that people can easily use, and that are the same All what time? > whatever software you are using, it seems perverse to chuck all of that > way in favour of some gimmick where MS sets the standards for layout and > design. -- - "Thats what I have been saying for 5 years. Consumers are tired, they want something new and more exciting." comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they put the lunacy in advocacy |
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| Roy Schestowitz wrote: > "In the face of strong competition, Evangelism's focus may shift > immediately to the next version of the same technology, however. > Indeed, Phase 1 (Evangelism Starts) for version x+1 may start as soon > as this Final Release of version X." > > http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf > > Microsoft, internal document > > "Strong competition," eh Microsoft? Thanks the the admission. Yes, it's quite the revelation that MS talks up their own products. What are you, Spamowitz - eight years old? |
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| "Rex Ballard" news:85805925-dfdb-4eec-abfd-c80d90dbe275@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On May 28, 9:59 pm, Ian Hilliard >>
> > When Microsoft starts announcing Vapor-ware less than 18 months after > the release of their latest release, you know they know they have a > bomb and need to do damage control. This is no different then what the rest of the industry does. When a version of the Linux kernel or KDE or gnome or Firefox is released there is almost always a "product roadmap" announcement as to what is being planned for the next version. > > So Bill announced "Chicago", which later became known as Windows 95. > The biggest features, other than being "NT Lite", was plug-n-play, > which was an attempt to emulate a feature that Linux had introduced in > the fall of 1994, nearly 1 year before Microsoft introduced it in > Windows 95 (in August of 1995). This is grossly incorrect and misleading. The biggest feature of Win95 was the 32-bit memory model and true multitasking. PnP was also a feature but it wasn't nearly as important as the two that I mentioned. As far as this emulating a feature that Linux had a year earlier. This is also grossly misrepresenting the truth. Linux did not support PnP until version 2.4.0 of the kernel and that was released in 2001. In this case Microsoft supported PnP several years before Linux did. Your post is grossly wrong and misleading. I have to wonder if you are this inept at looking up simple facts or if you intentionally make posts in order to mislead people. - ss |
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| On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:32:50 -0400, DFS wrote: > Roy Schestowitz wrote: > >> "In the face of strong competition, Evangelism's focus may shift >> immediately to the next version of the same technology, however. >> Indeed, Phase 1 (Evangelism Starts) for version x+1 may start as soon >> as this Final Release of version X." >> >> http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf >> >> Microsoft, internal document >> >> "Strong competition," eh Microsoft? Thanks the the admission. > > Yes, it's quite the revelation that MS talks up their own products. > > What are you, Spamowitz - eight years old? Is that a trick question? -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ |
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| On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:52:11 -0400, Subway steel wrote: > "Rex Ballard" > news:85805925-dfdb-4eec-abfd-c80d90dbe275@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> On May 28, 9:59 pm, Ian Hilliard >>>
>> >> When Microsoft starts announcing Vapor-ware less than 18 months after >> the release of their latest release, you know they know they have a >> bomb and need to do damage control. > > This is no different then what the rest of the industry does. When a version > of the Linux kernel or KDE or gnome or Firefox is released there is almost > always a "product roadmap" announcement as to what is being planned for the > next version. > > > >> >> So Bill announced "Chicago", which later became known as Windows 95. >> The biggest features, other than being "NT Lite", was plug-n-play, >> which was an attempt to emulate a feature that Linux had introduced in >> the fall of 1994, nearly 1 year before Microsoft introduced it in >> Windows 95 (in August of 1995). > > This is grossly incorrect and misleading. The biggest feature of Win95 was > the 32-bit memory model and true multitasking. PnP was also a feature but it > wasn't nearly as important as the two that I mentioned. > > As far as this emulating a feature that Linux had a year earlier. This is > also grossly misrepresenting the truth. Linux did not support PnP until > version 2.4.0 of the kernel and that was released in 2001. In this case > Microsoft supported PnP several years before Linux did. > > Your post is grossly wrong and misleading. I have to wonder if you are this > inept at looking up simple facts or if you intentionally make posts in order > to mislead people. > > > - ss Subway Steel.... Meet Rex Ballard...... Ask him about the plans for the Stealth Bomber that he claims the CIA/NSA stole from his high school locker. Ask him how he invented TCP/IP. I'm not making this up. It's all in Google.... Oh and BTW, Rex Ballard is Roy Schestowit'z hero. http://groups.google.com/group/comp....955c95e422489f Roy Speaking to Rex Ballard: "Thanks. Coming from you, this means a lot." Does it get any loonier? -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ |
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| "Moshe, Goldfarb." news:b74ledvuvnpa$.iayeyiggchuy.dlg@40tude.net... > On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:52:11 -0400, Subway steel wrote: > >> "Rex Ballard" >> news:85805925-dfdb-4eec-abfd-c80d90dbe275@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>> On May 28, 9:59 pm, Ian Hilliard >>>>
>> >> This is no different then what the rest of the industry does. When a >> version >> of the Linux kernel or KDE or gnome or Firefox is released there is >> almost >> always a "product roadmap" announcement as to what is being planned for >> the >> next version. >> >> >> >>> >>> So Bill announced "Chicago", which later became known as Windows 95. >>> The biggest features, other than being "NT Lite", was plug-n-play, >>> which was an attempt to emulate a feature that Linux had introduced in >>> the fall of 1994, nearly 1 year before Microsoft introduced it in >>> Windows 95 (in August of 1995). >> >> This is grossly incorrect and misleading. The biggest feature of Win95 >> was >> the 32-bit memory model and true multitasking. PnP was also a feature but >> it >> wasn't nearly as important as the two that I mentioned. >> >> As far as this emulating a feature that Linux had a year earlier. This is >> also grossly misrepresenting the truth. Linux did not support PnP until >> version 2.4.0 of the kernel and that was released in 2001. In this case >> Microsoft supported PnP several years before Linux did. >> >> Your post is grossly wrong and misleading. I have to wonder if you are >> this >> inept at looking up simple facts or if you intentionally make posts in >> order >> to mislead people. >> >> >> - ss > > Subway Steel.... Meet Rex Ballard...... > > Ask him about the plans for the Stealth Bomber that he claims the CIA/NSA > stole from his high school locker. > Ask him how he invented TCP/IP. > > I'm not making this up. > It's all in Google.... > > Oh and BTW, Rex Ballard is Roy Schestowit'z hero. > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp....955c95e422489f > > Roy Speaking to Rex Ballard: > > "Thanks. Coming from you, this means a lot." > > Does it get any loonier? One coming up for the Hackwerk poster! http://www.open4success.org/images/rex98.jpeg -- PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ |
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| On Thu, 29 May 2008 20:44:04 +0200, Clogwog wrote: > "Moshe, Goldfarb." > news:b74ledvuvnpa$.iayeyiggchuy.dlg@40tude.net... >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 09:52:11 -0400, Subway steel wrote: >> >>> "Rex Ballard" >>> news:85805925-dfdb-4eec-abfd-c80d90dbe275@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >>>> On May 28, 9:59 pm, Ian Hilliard >>>>>
>> >> Subway Steel.... Meet Rex Ballard...... >> >> Ask him about the plans for the Stealth Bomber that he claims the CIA/NSA >> stole from his high school locker. >> Ask him how he invented TCP/IP. >> >> I'm not making this up. >> It's all in Google.... >> >> Oh and BTW, Rex Ballard is Roy Schestowit'z hero. >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....955c95e422489f >> >> Roy Speaking to Rex Ballard: >> >> "Thanks. Coming from you, this means a lot." >> >> Does it get any loonier? > > One coming up for the Hackwerk poster! > http://www.open4success.org/images/rex98.jpeg Looks like a gay version of Robin Williams. -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ |
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| Moshe, Goldfarb. wrote: > On Thu, 29 May 2008 20:44:04 +0200, Clogwog wrote: >> One coming up for the Hackwerk poster! >> http://www.open4success.org/images/rex98.jpeg > > Looks like a gay version of Robin Williams. The current pic is pretty funny http://www.open4success.org/ He's wearing a red hat (fedora, get it?), but what you can't see is he's holding a Windows laptop chock full of MS Office and Outlook and Visio and Project apps. And he makes a living selling and installing and configuring proprietary products and systems for IBM. |
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| On Sat, 31 May 2008 20:10:16 -0400, DFS wrote: > Moshe, Goldfarb. wrote: >> On Thu, 29 May 2008 20:44:04 +0200, Clogwog wrote: > >>> One coming up for the Hackwerk poster! >>> http://www.open4success.org/images/rex98.jpeg >> >> Looks like a gay version of Robin Williams. > > The current pic is pretty funny > > http://www.open4success.org/ > > He's wearing a red hat (fedora, get it?), but what you can't see is he's > holding a Windows laptop chock full of MS Office and Outlook and Visio and > Project apps. And he makes a living selling and installing and configuring > proprietary products and systems for IBM. I get it hahahaha! That's a bad Photoshop job BTW.... -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ |
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| "Moshe Goldfarb." news:13tbos0bbkavm.19ee4ll7dfkwo$.dlg@40tude.net.. . > On Sat, 31 May 2008 20:10:16 -0400, DFS wrote: > >> Moshe, Goldfarb. wrote: >>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 20:44:04 +0200, Clogwog wrote: >> >>>> One coming up for the Hackwerk poster! >>>> http://www.open4success.org/images/rex98.jpeg >>> >>> Looks like a gay version of Robin Williams. >> >> The current pic is pretty funny >> >> http://www.open4success.org/ >> >> He's wearing a red hat (fedora, get it?), but what you can't see is he's >> holding a Windows laptop chock full of MS Office and Outlook and Visio >> and >> Project apps. And he makes a living selling and installing and >> configuring >> proprietary products and systems for IBM. > > I get it hahahaha! > > That's a bad Photoshop job BTW.... > http://www.open4success.org/bio/index.html Is he an outward patient? |
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| On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:56:06 +0200, Clogwog wrote: > "Moshe Goldfarb." > news:13tbos0bbkavm.19ee4ll7dfkwo$.dlg@40tude.net.. . >> On Sat, 31 May 2008 20:10:16 -0400, DFS wrote: >> >>> Moshe, Goldfarb. wrote: >>>> On Thu, 29 May 2008 20:44:04 +0200, Clogwog wrote: >>> >>>>> One coming up for the Hackwerk poster! >>>>> http://www.open4success.org/images/rex98.jpeg >>>> >>>> Looks like a gay version of Robin Williams. >>> >>> The current pic is pretty funny >>> >>> http://www.open4success.org/ >>> >>> He's wearing a red hat (fedora, get it?), but what you can't see is he's >>> holding a Windows laptop chock full of MS Office and Outlook and Visio >>> and >>> Project apps. And he makes a living selling and installing and >>> configuring >>> proprietary products and systems for IBM. >> >> I get it hahahaha! >> >> That's a bad Photoshop job BTW.... >> > > http://www.open4success.org/bio/index.html > Is he an outward patient? Well, IBM is a diverse company and likes to hire diverse employees. They sure hit the nail on the head this time. -- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/ |
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| Moshe Goldfarb (flatfish) in real life Gary Stewart http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/...arb-troll.html http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/...ish-troll.html Traits: * Nym shifting (see below) * Self confessed thief and proud of it * Homophobic * Racist * Habitual liar * Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups * Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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| Moshe Goldfarb (flatfish) in real life Gary Stewart http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/...arb-troll.html http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/...ish-troll.html Traits: * Nym shifting (see below) * Self confessed thief and proud of it * Homophobic * Racist * Habitual liar * Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups * Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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