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  1. Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."



    Install troubles

    Unfortunately, it was with that first question -- the install -- that I
    almost hit a wall with Fedora. All installation experiences are by their
    nature anecdotal. Everyone has different hardware and makes different
    decisions during an installation. What is a nightmare for one person may be
    a walk through the park for another with a different system. Still, when you
    install a different version of Linux practically every week as I do, you get
    a good feel for the relative stability (or, in this case, the instability)
    of the install process.

    What follows is a brief diary of my attempts to install the preview release
    of Fedora 9 on my HP Pavilion laptop as a multiboot operating system
    alongside Ubuntu .

    Try 1: Downloaded and burned Fedora to a DVD. Booted off the DVD. Chose a
    graphical (rather than text-based) install. Requested to reuse a partition
    that had formerly held a SUSE install as my root partition. Chose my
    software packages, username, networking and so on. Got an error from the
    Python installer and couldn't proceed. Fedora's installation process. Click
    to view larger image

    Try 2: Booted off the DVD. Chose a text install. Decided to make sure the
    DVD was good. Ran the verification check to ensure the DVD wasn't corrupted.
    At the end, the DVD popped out, and I was informed it had successfully
    verified. Put the DVD back in and found myself in an error loop when I kept
    getting the same error window when I tried to proceed.

    Try 3: Booted off the DVD. Chose the text install. Managed to make it all
    the way through the installation process and rebooted. Seemed to be booting,
    then left me with an honest-to-goodness Blue Screen of Linux Death (in this
    case, a solid blue screen with my mouse tracking). Finally hit
    ctrl-alt-return to restart the window manager and found it had hung trying
    to mountswap off the fstab . For some reason, the installer didn't like
    trying to reuse the swap partition left over from the previous install, and
    it made something go pear-shaped during the initial boot.

    Try 4: Reported installer bug to Red Hat. Tried again, telling Fedora to use
    the entire disk, instead of just the existing partition I was trying to
    reuse. This time it installed and booted correctly.

    Apart from the problems mentioned above, Fedora's install also failed to
    identify the version of Ubuntu that was installed on an alternate partition
    and placed it in the GRUB boot menu (GRand Unified Bootloader, or GRUB, is a
    tool that lets you select between various operating systems in a
    dual/multiboot environment.) Other distributions seem to have no problem
    finding and add existing Linux and Windows installations to the boot menu.





    http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E80...6FA48755E1A1AB






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  2. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:06:33 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    >
    >
    > Install troubles
    >
    > Unfortunately, it was with that first question -- the install -- that I
    > almost hit a wall with Fedora. All installation experiences are by their
    > nature anecdotal. Everyone has different hardware and makes different
    > decisions during an installation. What is a nightmare for one person may be
    > a walk through the park for another with a different system. Still, when you
    > install a different version of Linux practically every week as I do, you get
    > a good feel for the relative stability (or, in this case, the instability)
    > of the install process.
    >
    > What follows is a brief diary of my attempts to install the preview release
    > of Fedora 9 on my HP Pavilion laptop as a multiboot operating system
    > alongside Ubuntu .
    >
    > Try 1: Downloaded and burned Fedora to a DVD. Booted off the DVD. Chose a
    > graphical (rather than text-based) install. Requested to reuse a partition
    > that had formerly held a SUSE install as my root partition. Chose my
    > software packages, username, networking and so on. Got an error from the
    > Python installer and couldn't proceed. Fedora's installation process. Click
    > to view larger image
    >
    > Try 2: Booted off the DVD. Chose a text install. Decided to make sure the
    > DVD was good. Ran the verification check to ensure the DVD wasn't corrupted.
    > At the end, the DVD popped out, and I was informed it had successfully
    > verified. Put the DVD back in and found myself in an error loop when I kept
    > getting the same error window when I tried to proceed.
    >
    > Try 3: Booted off the DVD. Chose the text install. Managed to make it all
    > the way through the installation process and rebooted. Seemed to be booting,
    > then left me with an honest-to-goodness Blue Screen of Linux Death (in this
    > case, a solid blue screen with my mouse tracking). Finally hit
    > ctrl-alt-return to restart the window manager and found it had hung trying
    > to mountswap off the fstab . For some reason, the installer didn't like
    > trying to reuse the swap partition left over from the previous install, and
    > it made something go pear-shaped during the initial boot.
    >
    > Try 4: Reported installer bug to Red Hat. Tried again, telling Fedora to use
    > the entire disk, instead of just the existing partition I was trying to
    > reuse. This time it installed and booted correctly.
    >
    > Apart from the problems mentioned above, Fedora's install also failed to
    > identify the version of Ubuntu that was installed on an alternate partition
    > and placed it in the GRUB boot menu (GRand Unified Bootloader, or GRUB, is a
    > tool that lets you select between various operating systems in a
    > dual/multiboot environment.) Other distributions seem to have no problem
    > finding and add existing Linux and Windows installations to the boot menu.
    >
    >
    >

    >
    >
    > http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E80...6FA48755E1A1AB
    >


    Looks like Fedora 9 is following the Linux tradition of releasing untested
    slopware and expecting the unwashed bearded masses to debug it.

    How can bug riddled junk like this even make it out the door?

    What a waste of a good DVD blank.


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    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
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  3. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    Ezekiel wrote:

    >


    > What follows is a brief diary of my attempts to install the preview
    > release of Fedora 9 on my HP Pavilion laptop as a multiboot operating
    > system alongside Ubuntu .
    >


    >
    >
    >
    > http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E80...6FA48755E1A1AB
    >


    The key phrase here is 'preview release'.

  4. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    SomeBloke writes:

    > Ezekiel wrote:
    >
    >>

    >
    >> What follows is a brief diary of my attempts to install the preview
    >> release of Fedora 9 on my HP Pavilion laptop as a multiboot operating
    >> system alongside Ubuntu .
    >>

    >
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E80...6FA48755E1A1AB
    >>

    >
    > The key phrase here is 'preview release'.


    Yes. The key phrase is "preview" not "alpha".

  5. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    Hadron wrote:

    > SomeBloke writes:
    >
    >> Ezekiel wrote:
    >>
    >>>

    >>
    >>> What follows is a brief diary of my attempts to install the preview
    >>> release of Fedora 9 on my HP Pavilion laptop as a multiboot operating
    >>> system alongside Ubuntu .
    >>>

    >>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E80...6FA48755E1A1AB
    >>>

    >>
    >> The key phrase here is 'preview release'.

    >
    > Yes. The key phrase is "preview" not "alpha".


    Do you know what 'preview' means?

  6. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:41:29 +0100, SomeBloke wrote:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> SomeBloke writes:
    >>
    >>> Ezekiel wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>> What follows is a brief diary of my attempts to install the preview
    >>>> release of Fedora 9 on my HP Pavilion laptop as a multiboot operating
    >>>> system alongside Ubuntu .
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>>

    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E80...6FA48755E1A1AB
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> The key phrase here is 'preview release'.

    >>
    >> Yes. The key phrase is "preview" not "alpha".

    >
    > Do you know what 'preview' means?


    Linux is always hiding behind beta/alpha/preview and versions of programs
    that take 12 years to make it to V1.0.
    Wine for example.

    It's just a convenient crutch for the unwashed bearded masses to hide
    behind when people question the Linux slopware.


    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  7. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    SomeBloke wrote:

    >Hadron snotted:
    >>
    >> SomeBloke wrote:
    >>>
    >>> The key phrase here is 'preview release'.

    >>
    >> Yes. The key phrase is "preview" not "alpha".

    >
    >Do you know what 'preview' means?


    Do you know that "true Linux advocate" Hadron Quack is compelled to
    run-down Linux at every opportunity?


  8. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    SomeBloke writes:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> SomeBloke writes:
    >>
    >>> Ezekiel wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>> What follows is a brief diary of my attempts to install the preview
    >>>> release of Fedora 9 on my HP Pavilion laptop as a multiboot operating
    >>>> system alongside Ubuntu .
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>>

    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E80...6FA48755E1A1AB
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> The key phrase here is 'preview release'.

    >>
    >> Yes. The key phrase is "preview" not "alpha".

    >
    > Do you know what 'preview' means?


    Yes. It's a preview before the official release. You clearly do not. Or
    do you think Preview means "beta"?

  9. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."


    "SomeBloke" wrote in message
    news:acqdnd5ZLfmtubbVnZ2dnUVZ8gydnZ2d@metronet...
    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> SomeBloke writes:
    >>
    >>> Ezekiel wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>> What follows is a brief diary of my attempts to install the preview
    >>>> release of Fedora 9 on my HP Pavilion laptop as a multiboot operating
    >>>> system alongside Ubuntu .
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>>

    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E80...6FA48755E1A1AB
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> The key phrase here is 'preview release'.

    >>
    >> Yes. The key phrase is "preview" not "alpha".

    >
    > Do you know what 'preview' means?


    The "official" release isn't any different:


    Fedora 9 will not install on certain hard disks.

    If your hard disk has a "/" character in its model name as reported through
    the ATA interface then Anaconda will fail. The Python error message reads
    like "ends with '/' and is not just '/'" and the kernel halts.

    I have a very standard desktop Dell Optiplex that has one of these hard
    disks, model number "SAMSUNG HD080HJ/P".

    The "/" character kills the installation.

    So disappointing yet so simple to have fixed before release.




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  10. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    On Wed, 14 May 2008 17:33:11 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    > "SomeBloke" wrote in message
    > news:acqdnd5ZLfmtubbVnZ2dnUVZ8gydnZ2d@metronet...
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>
    >>> SomeBloke writes:
    >>>
    >>>> Ezekiel wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> What follows is a brief diary of my attempts to install the preview
    >>>>> release of Fedora 9 on my HP Pavilion laptop as a multiboot operating
    >>>>> system alongside Ubuntu .
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>

    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E80...6FA48755E1A1AB
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> The key phrase here is 'preview release'.
    >>>
    >>> Yes. The key phrase is "preview" not "alpha".

    >>
    >> Do you know what 'preview' means?

    >
    > The "official" release isn't any different:
    >
    >
    > Fedora 9 will not install on certain hard disks.
    >
    > If your hard disk has a "/" character in its model name as reported through
    > the ATA interface then Anaconda will fail. The Python error message reads
    > like "ends with '/' and is not just '/'" and the kernel halts.
    >
    > I have a very standard desktop Dell Optiplex that has one of these hard
    > disks, model number "SAMSUNG HD080HJ/P".
    >
    > The "/" character kills the installation.
    >
    > So disappointing yet so simple to have fixed before release.
    >


    Typical Linux slopware.
    Does anyone actually test this stuff before it is foisted on the
    unsuspecting public?

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  11. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    The little girl cried:

    > Yes. It's a preview before the official release. You clearly do not. Or
    > do you think Preview means "beta"?



    Exactly why do you hang out in COLA, Quack? You claim you're not a troll but
    98% of your posts are of a trolling nature.

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  12. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:01:07 -0400, Tattoo Vampire wrote:

    > The little girl cried:
    >
    >> Yes. It's a preview before the official release. You clearly do not. Or
    >> do you think Preview means "beta"?

    >
    >
    > Exactly why do you hang out in COLA, Quack? You claim you're not a troll
    > but 98% of your posts are of a trolling nature.


    Errr.....*when* did Quack claim he wasn't a troll??


    Of course I troll sometimes. I never denied it.

    Hadron
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    Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007


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  13. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    William Poaster wrote:

    > Tattoo Vampire wrote:
    >
    >> The little girl cried:
    >>
    >>> Yes. It's a preview before the official release. You clearly do not. Or
    >>> do you think Preview means "beta"?

    >>
    >> Exactly why do you hang out in COLA, Quack? You claim you're not a troll
    >> but 98% of your posts are of a trolling nature.

    >
    >Errr.....*when* did Quack claim he wasn't a troll??


    That would be quite the bald-faced lie, even for a bald-faced liar
    like Quack.


  14. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

    http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/...arb-troll.html
    http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/...ish-troll.html

    Traits:

    * Nym shifting (see below)
    * Self confessed thief and proud of it
    * Homophobic
    * Racist
    * Habitual liar
    * Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
    * Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA

  15. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

    http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/...arb-troll.html
    http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/...ish-troll.html

    Traits:

    * Nym shifting (see below)
    * Self confessed thief and proud of it
    * Homophobic
    * Racist
    * Habitual liar
    * Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
    * Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA

  16. Re: Fedora 9 review - "Like most early Linux installs, it was a highly technical, highly finicky process that was best left to the experts."

    Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (in real life Gary Stewart)

    http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/...arb-troll.html
    http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/...ish-troll.html

    Traits:

    * Nym shifting (see below)
    * Self confessed thief and proud of it
    * Homophobic
    * Racist
    * Habitual liar
    * Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
    * Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA

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