DFS wrote:[color=blue]
> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url]
>
>[/color]
So what?
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DFS wrote:[color=blue]
> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url]
>
>[/color]
So what?
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Moshe Goldfarb wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 7 May 2008 08:31:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
>> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url][/color]
>
> At 0.6 percent of the desktop market after 10 years and despite being free,
> that is probably a true statement.
>
> Linux should give up on the desktop market, like Redhat did, and
> concentrate on servers and embedded devices.
>[/color]
When did Red Hat stop producing its desktop distribution?
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"I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
[url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url]
On Wed, 7 May 2008 08:31:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
[color=blue]
> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url][/color]
At 0.6 percent of the desktop market after 10 years and despite being free,
that is probably a true statement.
Linux should give up on the desktop market, like Redhat did, and
concentrate on servers and embedded devices.
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On 2008-05-07, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Linux should give up on the desktop market......[/color]
Yeah, live your fantasy.
[url]http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9272932512.html[/url]
If Windows is "mainstream acceptance", I want no part of it.
nb
notbob <notbob@nothome.com> writes:
[color=blue]
> On 2008-05-07, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Linux should give up on the desktop market......[/color]
>
> Yeah, live your fantasy.
>
> [url]http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9272932512.html[/url]
>
> If Windows is "mainstream acceptance", I want no part of it.
>
> nb[/color]
"if"? What planet do you live on? Just because you dont see many Windows
desktops in your mom's basement it doesn't mean it isn't true. I doubt
you ever saw a bear **** in the woods, but again, you knot its there
waiting for the unwary step ...
On 2008-05-07, Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "if"? What planet do you live on? Just because you dont see many Windows
> desktops.....[/color]
By choice. I don't eat at McDonald's, either.
nb
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[url]http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/01/moshe-goldfarb-troll.html[/url]
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Traits:
* Nym shifting (see below)
* Self confessed thief and proud of it
* Homophobic
* Racist
* Habitual liar
* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
* Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA
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Traits:
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* Homophobic
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* Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
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On 05/07/08 11:08, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 7 May 2008 08:31:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
>> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url][/color]
>
> At 0.6 percent of the desktop market after 10 years and despite being free,
> that is probably a true statement.
>
> Linux should give up on the desktop market, like Redhat did, and
> concentrate on servers and embedded devices.[/color]
You might take a look at
[url]http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Ubuntu-804-Is-Ready-to-Take-On-Windows/[/url]
eWeek is generally fairly Windows-centric yet they're giving Linux a
chance.
Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> writes:
[color=blue]
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:[color=green]
>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 08:31:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
>>> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url][/color]
>>[/color]
> I, personally, do not care if Linux becomes "mainstream" or not. I find it
> suits my needs much better than Microsoftware does. If you do not find this
> to be the case for your needs, use something else. Why not?
>[color=green]
>> At 0.6 percent of the desktop market after 10 years and despite being free,
>> that is probably a true statement.[/color]
>
> It is difficult to measure the desktop market after 10 years, or after any
> period of time because Linux software is not always sold, and even when it
> is, it can usually be copied free to other systems. So (ignoring
> piracy),[/color]
It's only difficult if you are a complete idiot. It is easy to get some
idea of relative usage from net stats to an OS independent web site like
the BBC. They clocked Linux at under 1% of their visitors which a casual
look around would appear to verify.
On 2008-05-07, Ezekiel <a@b.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "Jean-David Beyer" <jeandavid8@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:xdkUj.7719$0L.7200@trnddc07...[color=green]
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 08:31:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
>>>> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url]
>>>[/color]
>> I, personally, do not care if Linux becomes "mainstream" or not. I find it
>> suits my needs much better than Microsoftware does. If you do not find
>> this
>> to be the case for your needs, use something else. Why not?
>>[color=darkred]
>>> At 0.6 percent of the desktop market after 10 years and despite being
>>> free,
>>> that is probably a true statement.[/color]
>>
>> It is difficult to measure the desktop market after 10 years, or after any
>> period of time because Linux software is not always sold, and even when it
>> is, it can usually be copied free to other systems. So (ignoring piracy),
>> Microsoftware can be measured rather accurately, where Linux systems
>> cannot.[/color]
>
> This is all fine and well if we were talking about "sales" - but we're
> talking about "usage" and many free things can be accurately measured, so
> why not linux?[/color]
...what other free things can be accurately measured?
[color=blue]
>
> This thing called "statistics" has been around a while and it's proven to
> work rather well. We can "measure" how many people will travel over 50 miles[/color]
Spoken like someone who's never had a stats class or even opened up
a stats book.
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Moshe Goldfarb wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Linux should give up on the desktop market, like Redhat did, and
> concentrate on servers and embedded devices.
>[/color]
? teh very structure of that sentence shows your ignorance. Linux is not
an entity, corporate or individual, that has intentionality, and
therefore cannot act as the subject of an an anthropic verb like 'should'..
Linux is an operating system.
All it 'should' do is work.
In whatever way its *designers and developers* want it to.
Since they don't make a cent from it, its pretty hard to tell *them*
what they should or should not do. And expect them to listen.
Hadron wrote:[color=blue]
> Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> writes:
>[color=green]
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 08:31:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
>>>> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url][/color]
>> I, personally, do not care if Linux becomes "mainstream" or not. I find it
>> suits my needs much better than Microsoftware does. If you do not find this
>> to be the case for your needs, use something else. Why not?
>>[color=darkred]
>>> At 0.6 percent of the desktop market after 10 years and despite being free,
>>> that is probably a true statement.[/color]
>> It is difficult to measure the desktop market after 10 years, or after any
>> period of time because Linux software is not always sold, and even when it
>> is, it can usually be copied free to other systems. So (ignoring
>> piracy),[/color]
>
>
> It's only difficult if you are a complete idiot. It is easy to get some
> idea of relative usage from net stats to an OS independent web site like
> the BBC. They clocked Linux at under 1% of their visitors which a casual
> look around would appear to verify.[/color]
Since its pretty much mandatory to tell the server you are in fact MS
explorer to get onto most of their stuff, that doesn't surprise me..;-)
* Rick peremptorily fired off this memo:
[color=blue]
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:[color=green]
>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 08:31:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
>>> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url][/color]
>>
>> At 0.6 percent of the desktop market after 10 years and despite being free,
>> that is probably a true statement.[/color][/color]
0.6%? Hmmm, a couple of years ago, flatso, you were always waving the
0.24% figure around.
So Linux usage has almost tripled in a couple years, by your own count.
I applaud your advocacy! Even though your numbers are, and have always
been, severe underestimates.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Linux should give up on the desktop market, like Redhat did, and
>> concentrate on servers and embedded devices.
>>[/color]
> When did Red Hat stop producing its desktop distribution?[/color]
And if you look at Debian and Gentoo, they've never attempted /any/
market. So there's nothing to give up.
I love my Linux desktop. Thanks, Deb-Ian!
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"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
news:slrng23ri9.bst.jedi@nomad.mishnet...[color=blue]
> On 2008-05-07, Ezekiel <a@b.com> wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> "Jean-David Beyer" <jeandavid8@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:xdkUj.7719$0L.7200@trnddc07...[color=darkred]
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 08:31:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
>>>>> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url]
>>>>
>>> I, personally, do not care if Linux becomes "mainstream" or not. I find
>>> it
>>> suits my needs much better than Microsoftware does. If you do not find
>>> this
>>> to be the case for your needs, use something else. Why not?
>>>
>>>> At 0.6 percent of the desktop market after 10 years and despite being
>>>> free,
>>>> that is probably a true statement.
>>>
>>> It is difficult to measure the desktop market after 10 years, or after
>>> any
>>> period of time because Linux software is not always sold, and even when
>>> it
>>> is, it can usually be copied free to other systems. So (ignoring
>>> piracy),
>>> Microsoftware can be measured rather accurately, where Linux systems
>>> cannot.[/color]
>>
>> This is all fine and well if we were talking about "sales" - but we're
>> talking about "usage" and many free things can be accurately measured, so
>> why not linux?[/color]
>
> ...what other free things can be accurately measured?[/color]
Try the things that you "snipped" for starters. Radio, television, etc.
[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> This thing called "statistics" has been around a while and it's proven to
>> work rather well. We can "measure" how many people will travel over 50
>> miles[/color]
>
> Spoken like someone who's never had a stats class or even opened up
> a stats book.[/color]
Yes. I'm not surprised that you've never opened up a stat book. If you did
you'd realize that a very good estimate of anything can be statistically
calculated.
[color=blue]
> [deletia]
>
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JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
[color=blue]
> On 2008-05-07, Ezekiel <a@b.com> wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> "Jean-David Beyer" <jeandavid8@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:xdkUj.7719$0L.7200@trnddc07...[color=darkred]
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 08:31:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
>>>>> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url]
>>>>
>>> I, personally, do not care if Linux becomes "mainstream" or not. I find it
>>> suits my needs much better than Microsoftware does. If you do not find
>>> this
>>> to be the case for your needs, use something else. Why not?
>>>
>>>> At 0.6 percent of the desktop market after 10 years and despite being
>>>> free,
>>>> that is probably a true statement.
>>>
>>> It is difficult to measure the desktop market after 10 years, or after any
>>> period of time because Linux software is not always sold, and even when it
>>> is, it can usually be copied free to other systems. So (ignoring piracy),
>>> Microsoftware can be measured rather accurately, where Linux systems
>>> cannot.[/color]
>>
>> This is all fine and well if we were talking about "sales" - but we're
>> talking about "usage" and many free things can be accurately measured, so
>> why not linux?[/color]
>
> ...what other free things can be accurately measured?[/color]
Is that a rhetorical question since most things can be measured.
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>>
>> This thing called "statistics" has been around a while and it's proven to
>> work rather well. We can "measure" how many people will travel over 50 miles[/color]
>
> Spoken like someone who's never had a stats class or even opened up
> a stats book.
>
> [deletia][/color]
You can run. But you can not hide.
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aren't all taken in with the MS hype.
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The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> writes:
[color=blue]
> Hadron wrote:[color=green]
>> Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8@verizon.net> writes:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 08:31:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
>>>>> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url]
>>> I, personally, do not care if Linux becomes "mainstream" or not. I find it
>>> suits my needs much better than Microsoftware does. If you do not find this
>>> to be the case for your needs, use something else. Why not?
>>>
>>>> At 0.6 percent of the desktop market after 10 years and despite being free,
>>>> that is probably a true statement.
>>> It is difficult to measure the desktop market after 10 years, or after any
>>> period of time because Linux software is not always sold, and even when it
>>> is, it can usually be copied free to other systems. So (ignoring
>>> piracy),[/color]
>>
>>
>> It's only difficult if you are a complete idiot. It is easy to get some
>> idea of relative usage from net stats to an OS independent web site like
>> the BBC. They clocked Linux at under 1% of their visitors which a casual
>> look around would appear to verify.[/color]
> Since its pretty much mandatory to tell the server you are in fact MS
> explorer to get onto most of their stuff, that doesn't surprise
> me..;-)[/color]
For those that dont know, that statement is an outright lie, But I
assume you were joking. I do all my surfing using iceweasel on debian.
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aren't all taken in with the MS hype.
comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they put the lunacy in advocacy
DFS wrote:[color=blue]
> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url][/color]
With all the progress Linux have made they should quit?
Why?
OpenOffice is great. It can do most of what MS Excel and Word can do.
MySql is cool so is progres and can replace MS SQL server
Apache is great.
GTK and QT can be used to create GUI apps and you can do desktop
database applications.
In order to transform and convert the entire corporate IT system and
do a revamping and possible conversion or rewrite of all of their
applications with be a long and tedious task.
If they are not up to that task, existing companies will not go that
path.
But if you are a startup company and you need to create an IT
department from fresh, you can definitely use linux as a viable
alternative to windows.
All the tools are there. If you know how to utilize them.
If you are a hardcore gamer, you might be disappointed in Linux since
there aren't many.
You should take a look at ubuntu/kubuntu/xbuntu and see how easy it
is. It is not the linux of the 1990s. It has been simplified like
windows 95.
You should look at adept manager to manage packages.
You can click on items to upgrade and install from the internet. Just
like "windows update" except that you can actually install software
from other sites. Development software, security updates, productivity
software, etc.
This is a new feature and have saved me all the headache of installing
and upgrading software.
Also with distros like DSL(Damn small linux) you can burn the OS into
a cd and boot from it without using a hard disk. You can use a USB
memory for storing data.
So all you need is a computer with a cdrom and a usb flash memory and
you can do Openoffice work. You can even boot off the USB and use
that as a hard drive.
This is really cool technology in portable prgramming.
You mean end all the fun and stop the progress of new technology?
Why quit now? LOL.
In my opinion some linux OS are more advanced than the current windows
and becoming much
more easier to use.
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [email]dceicorp@gmail.com[/email]
<dceicorp@gmail.com>
wrote
on Wed, 7 May 2008 13:10:14 -0700 (PDT)
<c81e52ee-4b8f-4c9f-805c-d38f7baced97@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>:[color=blue]
> DFS wrote:[color=green]
>> "I believe it will never become mainstream in it's current form."
>> [url]http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=1327806771&t=28030[/url][/color]
>
> With all the progress Linux have made they should quit?
> Why?
>
> OpenOffice is great. It can do most of what MS Excel and Word can do.[/color]
Dumb question: what can't it do? ;-)
[color=blue]
> MySql is cool so is progres and can replace MS SQL server[/color]
That's PostgreSQL ([url]www.postgresql.org[/url]). Neither is a 100%
replacement if someone uses MS SQL extensions, but if
everything standard it's almost trivial.
[color=blue]
> Apache is great.[/color]
A useful webserver, can also hook into JBoss and Tomcat.
[color=blue]
> GTK and QT can be used to create GUI apps and you can do desktop
> database applications.[/color]
Or just use oobase. I'll admit I'm not thrilled about it, though.
[color=blue]
>
> In order to transform and convert the entire corporate IT system and
> do a revamping and possible conversion or rewrite of all of their
> applications with be a long and tedious task.
> If they are not up to that task, existing companies will not go that
> path.[/color]
Windows works well enough. Of course, Linux works better. ;-)
[color=blue]
>
> But if you are a startup company and you need to create an IT
> department from fresh, you can definitely use linux as a viable
> alternative to windows.
> All the tools are there. If you know how to utilize them.
>
> If you are a hardcore gamer, you might be disappointed in Linux since
> there aren't many.[/color]
There's a few. I've not worked with DirectX but compared to OpenGL
it looks cumbersome.
[color=blue]
>
> You should take a look at ubuntu/kubuntu/xbuntu and see how easy it
> is. It is not the linux of the 1990s. It has been simplified like
> windows 95.
>
> You should look at adept manager to manage packages.
> You can click on items to upgrade and install from the internet. Just
> like "windows update" except that you can actually install software
> from other sites. Development software, security updates, productivity
> software, etc.
> This is a new feature and have saved me all the headache of installing
> and upgrading software.
>
> Also with distros like DSL(Damn small linux) you can burn the OS into
> a cd and boot from it without using a hard disk.[/color]
The same can be said for many many other distros. Gentoo's liveDVD
in particular dumps one into an XFCE environment.
[color=blue]
> You can use a USB
> memory for storing data.
> So all you need is a computer with a cdrom and a usb flash memory and
> you can do Openoffice work. You can even boot off the USB and use
> that as a hard drive.
> This is really cool technology in portable prgramming.[/color]
Aye.
[color=blue]
>
> You mean end all the fun and stop the progress of new technology?
> Why quit now? LOL.
>
> In my opinion some linux OS are more advanced than the current windows
> and becoming much
> more easier to use.[/color]
And deploy and debug, generally.
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