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  1. [News] Ubuntu's Dilemma with Free Software, OpenSolaris

    Ubuntu Hardy Heron: Beyond the Hype and into the Dilemma

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    | The main place where innovation is happening rapidly seems to be in Ubuntu's
    | efforts to balance the concept of free software with the drive toward
    | commercialism by Canonical, Ubuntu's face in business. Both Ubuntu's
    | continued good will among free software projects and Canonical's business
    | model depends on the distribution being relatively faithful to community
    | standards -- which, in practice, means tolerating proprietary software in the
    | distribution as little as possible. Yet, at the same time, users want the 3-D
    | drivers needed for games and compositing window managers, to say nothing of
    | their Flash and multimedia codecs. Refuse to ship them, and the only result
    | is the rise of unofficial repositories, which are not only out of the
    | distro's control but often compound compatibility problems for users.
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    http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osr...le.php/3744341

    Will OpenSolaris bring a chill to Sun-Ubuntu romance?

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    | Sun and Ubuntu have a history of cooperation that dates back to 2006, when
    | Ubuntu announced that its 6.06 Long Term Release version of Ubuntu would
    | support Sun’s “Cool Threads” technology and exploit several Sun Sparc-based
    | servers as part of Sun’s OpenSparc Initiative.
    |
    | And, at the launch of Ubuntu 7.07 last year, Canonical announced that it
    | would support a full Java stack including Glassfish version 1.0 Java,
    | Enterprise Edition 5, Java Platform, Standard Edition (JDK 6), Java DB 10.2
    | (based on Apache Derby) and Netbeans IDE 5.5.
    |
    | And Ubuntu’s support for Sun’s openJDK — and Sun’s embracing of Ubuntu server
    | — suggests that the two intend to carry the partnership forward.
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    http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2377


    Recent:

    Rethinking Gobuntu

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    | If that is the case, then I think it would be better
    | to channel the energy from Gobuntu into gNewSense.
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    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/go...il/000650.html


    Related:

    The Importance of the 'Completely Libre' Distributions

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    | What's more, I recently migrated a local user to gNewSense from
    | his improperly-licensed, virus-ridden Windows XP system. I am due to follow
    | up with him soon, so we'll see how his GNU/Linux eXPerience is going.
    | Frankly, I'm pretty sure he'll agree that gNewSense is a great demonstration
    | of the power of software freedom. * * *
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    http://blue-gnu.biz/content/importan..._distributions

  2. Re: [News] Ubuntu's Dilemma with Free Software, OpenSolaris

    Roy Schestowitz wrote:

    > Ubuntu Hardy Heron: Beyond the Hype and into the Dilemma
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | The main place where innovation is happening rapidly seems to be in
    > | Ubuntu's efforts to balance the concept of free software with the drive
    > | toward commercialism by Canonical, Ubuntu's face in business.



    I doubt there is any truth behind that statement.


    With free software comes business demand for prouducts
    and services. The nature of that demand is highly fluctuating.
    Ubuntu could be highly successful just by servicing demand
    and scaling back when demand wanes instead of over committing
    through business expansion and then trying to milk the market.
    Thats not a 'normal' business model of Commercialism.
    That may be what a Novel kind of failed business model leads to.


  3. Re: Ubuntu's Dilemma with Free Software, OpenSolaris

    On May 3, 8:00 am, 7 wrote:
    > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    > > Ubuntu Hardy Heron: Beyond the Hype and into the Dilemma

    >
    > > ,----[ Quote ]
    > > | The main place where innovation is happening rapidly seems to be in
    > > | Ubuntu's efforts to balance the concept of free software with the drive
    > > | toward commercialism by Canonical, Ubuntu's face in business.

    >
    > I doubt there is any truth behind that statement.


    This is hardly revolutionary. It's the classic OSS revenue model
    first proposed by Richard Stallman 24 years ago, when he first wrote
    the GNU manifesto. He proposed that the software licenses should be
    free, but the SUPPORT, including packaging, anthologies, quality
    assurance, and bug fixes, as well as data services, could be revenue
    opportunities.

    This revenue model has turned out to be very successful, for companies
    like IBM, HP, Red Hat, Novell, and Sun, as well as service companies
    like Google, Yahoo, and Amazon.

    In fact, OSS projects seem to have much better longevity than most
    proprietary companies. People like to point to Microsoft as an
    example of success, but look at the others. Borland, WordPerfect,
    Lotus, Corel, DBase, and hundreds of others, may of whom were market
    leaders for a few years, ended up becoming bit-players and ultimately
    becoming subsidiaries of companies who were more balanced and were
    subsidized with OSS related support and consulting revenue.

    > With free software comes business demand for prouducts
    > and services. The nature of that demand is highly fluctuating.
    > Ubuntu could be highly successful just by servicing demand
    > and scaling back when demand wanes instead of over committing
    > through business expansion and then trying to milk the market.
    > Thats not a 'normal' business model of Commercialism.
    > That may be what a Novel kind of failed business model leads to.


    Right now, one of the big problems for Ubuntu is it's lack of support
    for LSB 3.0 standards, as well as it's lack of support for RPM
    packages. Many commercial applications for Linux are distributed via
    RPM, and cannot easily be installed on Ubuntu systems.

    Canonical is trying to build that same kind of support for Ubuntu and
    Debian packages that Red Hat and SUSE/Novell (and many otthers) have
    generated for LSB 3 standards.

    Ubuntu is a nice product, but they need to support the core framework
    of standards adopted by the business community that has adopted Linux.

    It's quite likely that we will see a similar tactic for Ubuntu that we
    have seen with Red Hat and SUSE Linux, with one version being the fast
    and free system, and the other being a more stable and supported
    system, complete bit binary-only packages and tools as well as the GPL
    tools.



  4. Re: [News] Ubuntu's Dilemma with Free Software, OpenSolaris

    ____/ 7 on Saturday 03 May 2008 13:00 : \____

    > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> Ubuntu Hardy Heron: Beyond the Hype and into the Dilemma
    >>
    >> ,----[ Quote ]
    >> | The main place where innovation is happening rapidly seems to be in
    >> | Ubuntu's efforts to balance the concept of free software with the drive
    >> | toward commercialism by Canonical, Ubuntu's face in business.

    >
    >
    > I doubt there is any truth behind that statement.
    >
    >
    > With free software comes business demand for prouducts
    > and services. The nature of that demand is highly fluctuating.
    > Ubuntu could be highly successful just by servicing demand
    > and scaling back when demand wanes instead of over committing
    > through business expansion and then trying to milk the market.
    > Thats not a 'normal' business model of Commercialism.
    > That may be what a Novel kind of failed business model leads to.


    It works well for Oracle though.

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  5. Re: Ubuntu's Dilemma with Free Software, OpenSolaris

    Rex Ballard wrote:
    *SKIP*
    > Right now, one of the big problems for Ubuntu is it's lack of support
    > for LSB 3.0 standards,


    Can't comment on this since I don't ubuntu, I debian.

    > as well as it's lack of support for RPM packages. Many commercial
    > applications for Linux are distributed via RPM, and cannot easily be
    > installed on Ubuntu systems.


    (correct me if I'm wrong) That seems you don't understand the difference
    between F<.rpm> and F<.deb>. F<.rpm> lacks B;
    F<.deb> is more than just F<.tgz> with meta information stuck over.

    *CUT*

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  6. Re: Ubuntu's Dilemma with Free Software, OpenSolaris

    In article <3hsue5x57b.ln2@orphan.zombinet>,
    Eric Pozharski wrote:
    > (correct me if I'm wrong) That seems you don't understand the difference
    > between F<.rpm> and F<.deb>. F<.rpm> lacks B;
    > F<.deb> is more than just F<.tgz> with meta information stuck over.


    What's up with the F<> and B<> stuff?

    Anyway, RPM has what the Debian people call "maintainer's scripts".

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    --Tim Smith

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