On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:48:34 -0700, peterwn wrote:

> ... when a certain other operating system is plagued with viruses,
> worms, botnets, bloat, BSOD, etc etc.

To be fair, Linux is not perfect. No OS is. Linux simply approaches
more closely to perfection than the usually offered alternatives.

Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:48:34 -0700, peterwn wrote:
>
>> ... when a certain other operating system is plagued with viruses,
>> worms, botnets, bloat, BSOD, etc etc.
>
> To be fair, Linux is not perfect. No OS is. Linux simply approaches
> more closely to perfection than the usually offered alternatives.

You can try to fool yourself and a few others with that ridiculous claim,
but the rest of the world knows Linux is a pile of amateurish crud that
requires insane amounts of time and tweaking to get it to work halfway
right.

DFS wrote:
> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>> peterwn wrote:
>>
>>> ... when a certain other operating system is plagued with
>>> viruses, worms, botnets, bloat, BSOD, etc etc.
>>
>> To be fair, Linux is not perfect. No OS is. Linux simply
>> approaches more closely to perfection than the usually
>> offered alternatives.
>
> You can try to fool yourself and a few others with that
> ridiculous claim, but the rest of the world knows Linux is a
> pile of amateurish crud that requires insane amounts of time
> and tweaking to get it to work halfway right.

Interesting gob****e. In a way this troll is correct. It took
me an insane 30 minutes and one reboot to install Ubuntu. It
took an insane amount of tweaking (less than 5 minutes) to
configure it. For past two years using it (life beyond SuSE Open
10), it has worked without crashing, without root kits, without
viruses, boots up quicker than Windows XP.

Patches have been administered faithfully and without REBOOTING.
Following is the recent update log from Synaptic package
manager and updater:

Commit Log for Tue Apr 29 06:08:04 2008
Upgraded the following packages:
update-manager (1:0.81.2) to 1:0.81.3
update-manager-core (1:0.81.2) to 1:0.81.3

Commit Log for Tue Apr 22 17:39:10 2008
Upgraded the following packages:
firefox (2.0.0.13+1nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10) to
2.0.0.14+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10
firefox-gnome-support (2.0.0.13+1nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10) to
2.0.0.14+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10

Commit Log for Sun Apr 20 05:43:35 2008
Upgraded the following packages:
apt (0.7.6ubuntu14) to 0.7.6ubuntu14.1
apt-utils (0.7.6ubuntu14) to 0.7.6ubuntu14.1

Commit Log for Fri Apr 18 17:25:49 2008
Upgraded the following packages:
libpoppler-glib2 (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to 0.6-0ubuntu2.2
libpoppler2 (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to 0.6-0ubuntu2.2
poppler-utils (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to 0.6-0ubuntu2.2

Commit Log for Wed Apr 16 18:31:15 2008
Upgraded the following packages:
avahi-daemon (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
libavahi-client3 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
libavahi-common-data (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
libavahi-common3 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
libavahi-core5 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
libavahi-glib1 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
libavahi-qt3-1 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
network-manager-gnome (0.6.5-0ubuntu10) to 0.6.5-0ubuntu11~7.10.0
update-manager (1:0.81) to 1:0.81.2
update-manager-core (1:0.81) to 1:0.81.2

Commit Log for Sun Apr 13 22:06:24 2008
Upgraded the following packages:
libavcodec1d (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3
libavutil1d (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3
libpostproc1d (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3

Commit Log for Fri Apr 11 07:33:09 2008
Upgraded the following packages:
rsync (2.6.9-5ubuntu1) to 2.6.9-5ubuntu1.1

Commit Log for Thu Apr 10 17:12:44 2008
Upgraded the following packages:
flashplugin-nonfree (9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12.2) to
9.0.124.0ubuntu1~gutsy1

Commit Log for Thu Apr 10 17:05:59 2008
Upgraded the following packages:
ghostscript (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
ghostscript-x (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
gs-common (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
gs-esp (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
gs-esp-x (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
libgs8 (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4

Commit Log for Fri Apr 4 23:20:34 2008
Upgraded the following packages:
gthumb (3:2.10.6-0ubuntu1) to 3:2.10.6-0ubuntu1.1

Commit Log for Thu Apr 3 18:55:34 2008
Upgraded the following packages:
cupsys (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
cupsys-bsd (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
cupsys-client (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
cupsys-common (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
libcupsimage2 (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
libcupsys2 (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
openssh-client (1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.1) to 1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.2
ssh-askpass-gnome (1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.1) to 1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.2

Yes, we are struggling right along.

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(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

On Thu, 01 May 2008 06:14:12 -0600, High Plains Thumper wrote:

> DFS wrote:
>> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>>> peterwn wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... when a certain other operating system is plagued with viruses,
>>>> worms, botnets, bloat, BSOD, etc etc.
>>>
>>> To be fair, Linux is not perfect. No OS is. Linux simply approaches
>>> more closely to perfection than the usually offered alternatives.
>>
>> You can try to fool yourself and a few others with that ridiculous
>> claim, but the rest of the world knows Linux is a pile of amateurish
>> crud that requires insane amounts of time and tweaking to get it to work
>> halfway right.

DFS spouting rubbish again. Just because *he* can't install a linux distro
properly, he thinks (& I use the word 'think' loosely in his case) no one
else can. Thus proving he's just another dumb wintroll.

> Interesting gob****e. In a way this troll is correct. It took me an
> insane 30 minutes and one reboot to install Ubuntu. It took an insane
> amount of tweaking (less than 5 minutes) to configure it. For past two
> years using it (life beyond SuSE Open 10), it has worked without crashing,
> without root kits, without viruses, boots up quicker than Windows XP.

About the same amount of time to install Mandriva. :-)

> Patches have been administered faithfully and without REBOOTING.
> Following is the recent update log from Synaptic package
> manager and updater:
>
>

> Commit Log for Tue Apr 29 06:08:04 2008 Upgraded the following packages:
> update-manager (1:0.81.2) to 1:0.81.3 update-manager-core (1:0.81.2) to
> 1:0.81.3
>
> Commit Log for Tue Apr 22 17:39:10 2008 Upgraded the following packages:
> firefox (2.0.0.13+1nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10) to
> 2.0.0.14+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10
> firefox-gnome-support (2.0.0.13+1nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10) to
> 2.0.0.14+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10
>
> Commit Log for Sun Apr 20 05:43:35 2008 Upgraded the following packages:
> apt (0.7.6ubuntu14) to 0.7.6ubuntu14.1 apt-utils (0.7.6ubuntu14) to
> 0.7.6ubuntu14.1
>
> Commit Log for Fri Apr 18 17:25:49 2008 Upgraded the following packages:
> libpoppler-glib2 (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to 0.6-0ubuntu2.2 libpoppler2
> (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to 0.6-0ubuntu2.2 poppler-utils (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to
> 0.6-0ubuntu2.2
>
> Commit Log for Wed Apr 16 18:31:15 2008 Upgraded the following packages:
> avahi-daemon (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-client3
> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-common-data
> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-common3
> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-compat-libdnssd1
> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-core5
> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-glib1
> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-qt3-1
> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 network-manager-gnome
> (0.6.5-0ubuntu10) to 0.6.5-0ubuntu11~7.10.0 update-manager (1:0.81) to
> 1:0.81.2
> update-manager-core (1:0.81) to 1:0.81.2
>
> Commit Log for Sun Apr 13 22:06:24 2008 Upgraded the following packages:
> libavcodec1d (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
> 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3
> libavutil1d (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
> 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3
> libpostproc1d (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
> 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3
>
> Commit Log for Fri Apr 11 07:33:09 2008 Upgraded the following packages:
> rsync (2.6.9-5ubuntu1) to 2.6.9-5ubuntu1.1
>
> Commit Log for Thu Apr 10 17:12:44 2008 Upgraded the following packages:
> flashplugin-nonfree (9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12.2) to
> 9.0.124.0ubuntu1~gutsy1
>
> Commit Log for Thu Apr 10 17:05:59 2008 Upgraded the following packages:
> ghostscript (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
> ghostscript-x (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
> gs-common (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
> gs-esp (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
> gs-esp-x (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
> libgs8 (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
>
> Commit Log for Fri Apr 4 23:20:34 2008 Upgraded the following packages:
> gthumb (3:2.10.6-0ubuntu1) to 3:2.10.6-0ubuntu1.1
>
> Commit Log for Thu Apr 3 18:55:34 2008 Upgraded the following packages:
> cupsys (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 cupsys-bsd
> (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 cupsys-client (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to
> 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 cupsys-common (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
> libcupsimage2 (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 libcupsys2
> (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 openssh-client (1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.1)
> to 1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.2 ssh-askpass-gnome (1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.1) to
> 1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.2

>

Mandriva Free 2008.1 64bit has installed just 6MBs of updates since I
installed it three or four weeks ago.

> Yes, we are struggling right along.

Oh yeah, it's a struggle!

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On 2008-05-01, DFS wrote:
> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:48:34 -0700, peterwn wrote:
>>
>>> ... when a certain other operating system is plagued with viruses,
>>> worms, botnets, bloat, BSOD, etc etc.
>>
>> To be fair, Linux is not perfect. No OS is. Linux simply approaches
>> more closely to perfection than the usually offered alternatives.
>
> You can try to fool yourself and a few others with that ridiculous claim,
> but the rest of the world knows Linux is a pile of amateurish crud that
> requires insane amounts of time and tweaking to get it to work halfway
> right.

I'll try to keep that in mind the next time some major enterprise
software vendor is selling it up...

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"High Plains Thumper" wrote in message
news:4819b417$0$22077$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
> DFS wrote:
>> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>>> peterwn wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... when a certain other operating system is plagued with
>>>> viruses, worms, botnets, bloat, BSOD, etc etc.
>>>
>>> To be fair, Linux is not perfect. No OS is. Linux simply
>>> approaches more closely to perfection than the usually
>>> offered alternatives.
>>
>> You can try to fool yourself and a few others with that
>> ridiculous claim, but the rest of the world knows Linux is a
>> pile of amateurish crud that requires insane amounts of time
>> and tweaking to get it to work halfway right.
>
> Interesting gob****e. In a way this troll is correct. It took me an
> insane 30 minutes and one reboot to install Ubuntu. It took an insane
> amount of tweaking (less than 5 minutes) to configure it. For past two
> years using it (life beyond SuSE Open 10), it has worked without crashing,
> without root kits, without viruses, boots up quicker than Windows XP.
>
> Patches have been administered faithfully and without REBOOTING. Following
> is the recent update log from Synaptic package manager and updater:
>
>

> Commit Log for Tue Apr 29 06:08:04 2008
> Upgraded the following packages:
> update-manager (1:0.81.2) to 1:0.81.3
> update-manager-core (1:0.81.2) to 1:0.81.3
>
> Commit Log for Tue Apr 22 17:39:10 2008
> Upgraded the following packages:
> firefox (2.0.0.13+1nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10) to
> 2.0.0.14+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10
> firefox-gnome-support (2.0.0.13+1nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10) to
> 2.0.0.14+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10
>
> Commit Log for Sun Apr 20 05:43:35 2008
> Upgraded the following packages:
> apt (0.7.6ubuntu14) to 0.7.6ubuntu14.1
> apt-utils (0.7.6ubuntu14) to 0.7.6ubuntu14.1
>
> Commit Log for Fri Apr 18 17:25:49 2008
> Upgraded the following packages:
> libpoppler-glib2 (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to 0.6-0ubuntu2.2
> libpoppler2 (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to 0.6-0ubuntu2.2
> poppler-utils (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to 0.6-0ubuntu2.2
>
> Commit Log for Wed Apr 16 18:31:15 2008
> Upgraded the following packages:
> avahi-daemon (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
> libavahi-client3 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
> libavahi-common-data (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
> libavahi-common3 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
> libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
> libavahi-core5 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
> libavahi-glib1 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
> libavahi-qt3-1 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
> network-manager-gnome (0.6.5-0ubuntu10) to 0.6.5-0ubuntu11~7.10.0
> update-manager (1:0.81) to 1:0.81.2
> update-manager-core (1:0.81) to 1:0.81.2
>
> Commit Log for Sun Apr 13 22:06:24 2008
> Upgraded the following packages:
> libavcodec1d (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
> 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3
> libavutil1d (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
> 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3
> libpostproc1d (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
> 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3
>
> Commit Log for Fri Apr 11 07:33:09 2008
> Upgraded the following packages:
> rsync (2.6.9-5ubuntu1) to 2.6.9-5ubuntu1.1
>
> Commit Log for Thu Apr 10 17:12:44 2008
> Upgraded the following packages:
> flashplugin-nonfree (9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12.2) to
> 9.0.124.0ubuntu1~gutsy1
>
> Commit Log for Thu Apr 10 17:05:59 2008
> Upgraded the following packages:
> ghostscript (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
> ghostscript-x (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
> gs-common (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
> gs-esp (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
> gs-esp-x (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
> libgs8 (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
>
> Commit Log for Fri Apr 4 23:20:34 2008
> Upgraded the following packages:
> gthumb (3:2.10.6-0ubuntu1) to 3:2.10.6-0ubuntu1.1
>
> Commit Log for Thu Apr 3 18:55:34 2008
> Upgraded the following packages:
> cupsys (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
> cupsys-bsd (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
> cupsys-client (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
> cupsys-common (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
> libcupsimage2 (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
> libcupsys2 (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
> openssh-client (1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.1) to 1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.2
> ssh-askpass-gnome (1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.1) to 1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.2
>

That's a boat-load of patches. People who want to get actual work done use
Windows. Dweebs who want to patch their OS all-day, every-day run linux.


> Yes, we are struggling right along.

No, you're spending your life patching your OS.


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JEDIDIAH writes:

> On 2008-05-01, DFS wrote:
>> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:48:34 -0700, peterwn wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... when a certain other operating system is plagued with viruses,
>>>> worms, botnets, bloat, BSOD, etc etc.
>>>
>>> To be fair, Linux is not perfect. No OS is. Linux simply approaches
>>> more closely to perfection than the usually offered alternatives.
>>
>> You can try to fool yourself and a few others with that ridiculous claim,
>> but the rest of the world knows Linux is a pile of amateurish crud that
>> requires insane amounts of time and tweaking to get it to work halfway
>> right.
>
> I'll try to keep that in mind the next time some major enterprise
> software vendor is selling it up...

Did you mean "giving it up"? Like RedHat did?

Nice one Jeb - you give Rube a chance of not winning the dickhead of the
month award and its only the first!

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On Thu, 01 May 2008 09:34:49 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:

> I'll try to keep that in mind the next time some major enterprise
> software vendor is selling it up...

Like AMEX? If your going to be a paid troll you should tell us the name
your check is cut out on.

Ruben

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"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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On Thu, 01 May 2008 15:23:19 +0100, William Poaster wrote:

> DFS spouting rubbish again.

Why bother discussing anything if they don't have real identities. After
all, they ca spout off and say anything incognito.

Ruben

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So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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On Thu, 01 May 2008 17:04:47 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Did you mean "giving it up"? Like RedHat did?

Is Dick head your real name?

Ruben

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So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

© Copyright for the Digital Millennium

Ruben wrote:
> William Poaster wrote:
>
>> DFS spouting rubbish again.
>
> Why bother discussing anything if they don't have real
> identities. After all, they can spout off and say anything
> incognito.

Just think of it as a payroll ID. The different nyms are
different job sites except for trolls like flatfish AKA

Abbie Diaz, achmed.jones, Aftab Singh, Allen Cusimano, Allie
Perkins, Allison Juergans, allison_hunt1969, Alicia Hunt, Ana
Thema, andyschipowitz, Anna Banger, anonymous, arkady.duntov,

<300 nyms snipped>

Wilbur J, willy watkins jr, Willy Wong, wiltons_pypes, Winnie
Septos, wizard.shot, wm_walsh, Wobbles, wylbur.horseman, Yanick
Schmuley and zyklon_C. plus many, many, many more.

The more I observe going on about us makes me realise more and
more how much industrial back stabbing, deceiving, lying, ill
bargaining, stealing, compromising, sliming, etc. goes on within
the industry. Stakes are high, besides attempting to give Linux
an undeservedly bad name they are out to give those who advocate
Linux the same.

Observing the trolling within this newsgroup over the past couple
years, basic patterned responses, how the seemingly mildest troll
all work together with the worst troll, as though there is a form
of background communication between them, coincided spamming of
one's E-mail addy or DOS of one's web addy with an advocates
apparent victory in "silencing" a troll,

No, there's more to the picture than meets the eye. Troll
friendly "free" usenet ISP's are just that. Friendly to trolls
only. There are a few that are decent, but now I understand why
they have gained the reputation of troll friendly.

There is considerably more communication going on than you and I
are privy of. There is considerable illegal activity going on,
that would make the US Government NSA blush.

What the EU is doing I think it correct. Dealing with munchkin
initiated false blogging comment spamming. I looked at the
comments on Wal-Mart Everex Linux PC's. Some have a sense of
genuineness, when less than pristene. However, others give off a
definite stench of industrial comment spamming. Most suspect are
"so called" the hardware driver writing critique experts.

Yes, the Internet reeks of false blogging stench, and a goodly
part is the trolling within this newsgroup.

--
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Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

Ruben wrote:
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Did you mean "giving it up"? Like RedHat did?
>
> Is Dick head your real name?

Hadron is a confirmed Windows shill. Don't expect him to say
anything positive about Linux, let alone the advocates who are
participating in organised discussion. His behaviour toward them
indicates that he is only here to disrupt any meaningful
conversation about Linux.

Most have him kill filed, which is why he whines so loudly toward
posters like William Poaster.

--
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(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

On 2008-05-01, Ruben wrote:
> On Thu, 01 May 2008 09:34:49 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>> I'll try to keep that in mind the next time some major enterprise
>> software vendor is selling it up...
>
> Like AMEX? If your going to be a paid troll you should tell us the name
> your check is cut out on.

You're confused. AMEX would be a major enterprise CUSTOMER.

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On 2008-05-01, Hadron wrote:
> JEDIDIAH writes:
>
>> On 2008-05-01, DFS wrote:
>>> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:48:34 -0700, peterwn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... when a certain other operating system is plagued with viruses,
>>>>> worms, botnets, bloat, BSOD, etc etc.
>>>>
>>>> To be fair, Linux is not perfect. No OS is. Linux simply approaches
>>>> more closely to perfection than the usually offered alternatives.
>>>
>>> You can try to fool yourself and a few others with that ridiculous claim,
>>> but the rest of the world knows Linux is a pile of amateurish crud that
>>> requires insane amounts of time and tweaking to get it to work halfway
>>> right.
>>
>> I'll try to keep that in mind the next time some major enterprise
>> software vendor is selling it up...
>
> Did you mean "giving it up"? Like RedHat did?

Redhat didn't "give up" anything in this regard.

>
> Nice one Jeb - you give Rube a chance of not winning the dickhead of the
> month award and its only the first!
>

No, Redhat just give up on the pretty trivial end of PC computing.
They're focusing on the part of the market where downtime of a single
system is considered trivial enough that someone's system could be
down for days getting cleaned up.

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On Thu, 01 May 2008 10:42:17 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> "High Plains Thumper" wrote in
> message news:4819b417$0$22077$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
>> DFS wrote:
>>> Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>>>> peterwn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... when a certain other operating system is plagued with viruses,
>>>>> worms, botnets, bloat, BSOD, etc etc.
>>>>
>>>> To be fair, Linux is not perfect. No OS is. Linux simply approaches
>>>> more closely to perfection than the usually offered alternatives.
>>>
>>> You can try to fool yourself and a few others with that ridiculous
>>> claim, but the rest of the world knows Linux is a pile of amateurish
>>> crud that requires insane amounts of time and tweaking to get it to
>>> work halfway right.
>>
>> Interesting gob****e. In a way this troll is correct. It took me an
>> insane 30 minutes and one reboot to install Ubuntu. It took an insane
>> amount of tweaking (less than 5 minutes) to configure it. For past two
>> years using it (life beyond SuSE Open 10), it has worked without
>> crashing, without root kits, without viruses, boots up quicker than
>> Windows XP.
>>
>> Patches have been administered faithfully and without REBOOTING.
>> Following is the recent update log from Synaptic package manager and
>> updater:
>>
>>

>> Commit Log for Tue Apr 29 06:08:04 2008 Upgraded the following
>> packages:
>> update-manager (1:0.81.2) to 1:0.81.3 update-manager-core (1:0.81.2) to
>> 1:0.81.3
>>
>> Commit Log for Tue Apr 22 17:39:10 2008 Upgraded the following
>> packages:
>> firefox (2.0.0.13+1nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10) to
>> 2.0.0.14+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10
>> firefox-gnome-support (2.0.0.13+1nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10) to
>> 2.0.0.14+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10
>>
>> Commit Log for Sun Apr 20 05:43:35 2008 Upgraded the following
>> packages:
>> apt (0.7.6ubuntu14) to 0.7.6ubuntu14.1 apt-utils (0.7.6ubuntu14) to
>> 0.7.6ubuntu14.1
>>
>> Commit Log for Fri Apr 18 17:25:49 2008 Upgraded the following
>> packages:
>> libpoppler-glib2 (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to 0.6-0ubuntu2.2 libpoppler2
>> (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to 0.6-0ubuntu2.2 poppler-utils (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to
>> 0.6-0ubuntu2.2
>>
>> Commit Log for Wed Apr 16 18:31:15 2008 Upgraded the following
>> packages:
>> avahi-daemon (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-client3
>> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-common-data
>> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-common3
>> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-compat-libdnssd1
>> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-core5
>> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-glib1
>> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-qt3-1
>> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 network-manager-gnome
>> (0.6.5-0ubuntu10) to 0.6.5-0ubuntu11~7.10.0 update-manager (1:0.81) to
>> 1:0.81.2
>> update-manager-core (1:0.81) to 1:0.81.2
>>
>> Commit Log for Sun Apr 13 22:06:24 2008 Upgraded the following
>> packages:
>> libavcodec1d (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
>> 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3
>> libavutil1d (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
>> 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3
>> libpostproc1d (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
>> 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3
>>
>> Commit Log for Fri Apr 11 07:33:09 2008 Upgraded the following
>> packages:
>> rsync (2.6.9-5ubuntu1) to 2.6.9-5ubuntu1.1
>>
>> Commit Log for Thu Apr 10 17:12:44 2008 Upgraded the following
>> packages:
>> flashplugin-nonfree (9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12.2) to
>> 9.0.124.0ubuntu1~gutsy1
>>
>> Commit Log for Thu Apr 10 17:05:59 2008 Upgraded the following
>> packages:
>> ghostscript (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
>> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
>> ghostscript-x (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
>> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
>> gs-common (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
>> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
>> gs-esp (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
>> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4 gs-esp-x
>> (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
>> libgs8 (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
>> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
>>
>> Commit Log for Fri Apr 4 23:20:34 2008 Upgraded the following
>> packages:
>> gthumb (3:2.10.6-0ubuntu1) to 3:2.10.6-0ubuntu1.1
>>
>> Commit Log for Thu Apr 3 18:55:34 2008 Upgraded the following
>> packages:
>> cupsys (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 cupsys-bsd
>> (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 cupsys-client (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5)
>> to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 cupsys-common (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to
>> 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 libcupsimage2 (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6
>> libcupsys2 (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 openssh-client
>> (1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.1) to 1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.2 ssh-askpass-gnome
>> (1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.1) to 1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.2

>
> That's a boat-load of patches. People who want to get actual work done
> use Windows. Dweebs who want to patch their OS all-day, every-day run
> linux.

You're just a dumb ass liar.

>
>
>> Yes, we are struggling right along.
>
> No, you're spending your life patching your OS.

You're just a dumb ass liar.

>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


.... who can't configure software.

--
Rick

High Plains Thumper wrote:

> Interesting gob****e. In a way this troll is correct. It took
> me an insane 30 minutes and one reboot to install Ubuntu. It
> took an insane amount of tweaking (less than 5 minutes) to
> configure it.

Tell it to this guy: "My new Toshiba A200 (PSAF1A) works beautifully after a
week of hard work getting opensuse 10.3 to work."
http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/in...howtopic=63815

Or this poor soul: "if I open more than one window, it locks up, completely!
4 days for nothing, please help!"
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=63



> For past two years using it (life beyond SuSE Open
> 10), it has worked without crashing, without root kits, without
> viruses, boots up quicker than Windows XP.

blah blah blah... Linux is perfect.



> Patches have been administered faithfully and without REBOOTING.

Lucky you. This Linux user has to reboot every 2 minutes: "When I just
install a single 1 GB everything locks up. The windows XP has no problem but
I have nothing but issues in Ubuntu any version." #28 at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...+freeze&page=3


This one gets 15 minutes of uptime - he must be on top of the world:
"The system hangs from time to time (every 15 minutes or so). It's a
complete system freeze, with no Ctrl-Alt-Backspace escape. Only the on/off
button helps !"
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...t=Hardy+freeze




> Yes, we are struggling right along.

Yes you are; many tens of thousands of Linux users struggle mightily, as
evidenced by the avalanche of problem reports. Considering Linux has such a
tiny user base, the variety and amount of reported problems is shocking.
But I guess it really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone; Linux/OSS is coded
by amateurs with little to no real responsibility (financial or reputation
or career impact) for the crap code they produce.

Rick wrote:
> Ezekiel wrote:
>> "High Plains Thumper" wrote...
>>
>>> Interesting gob****e. In a way this troll is correct. It
>>> took me an insane 30 minutes and one reboot to install
>>> Ubuntu. It took an insane amount of tweaking (less than 5
>>> minutes) to configure it. For past two years using it
>>> (life beyond SuSE Open 10), it has worked without
>>> crashing, without root kits, without viruses, boots up
>>> quicker than Windows XP.
>>>
>>> Patches have been administered faithfully and without
>>> REBOOTING. Following is the recent update log from
>>> Synaptic package manager and updater:
>>>
>>>

Commit Log for Tue Apr 29 06:08:04 2008 Upgraded
>>> the following packages: update-manager (1:0.81.2) to
>>> 1:0.81.3 update-manager-core (1:0.81.2) to 1:0.81.3
>>>
>>> Commit Log for Tue Apr 22 17:39:10 2008 Upgraded the
>>> following packages: firefox
>>> (2.0.0.13+1nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10) to
>>> 2.0.0.14+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10 firefox-gnome-support
>>> (2.0.0.13+1nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10) to
>>> 2.0.0.14+2nobinonly-0ubuntu0.7.10
>>>
>>> Commit Log for Sun Apr 20 05:43:35 2008 Upgraded the
>>> following packages: apt (0.7.6ubuntu14) to 0.7.6ubuntu14.1
>>> apt-utils (0.7.6ubuntu14) to 0.7.6ubuntu14.1
>>>
>>> Commit Log for Fri Apr 18 17:25:49 2008 Upgraded the
>>> following packages: libpoppler-glib2 (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to
>>> 0.6-0ubuntu2.2 libpoppler2 (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to
>>> 0.6-0ubuntu2.2 poppler-utils (0.6-0ubuntu2.1) to
>>> 0.6-0ubuntu2.2
>>>
>>> Commit Log for Wed Apr 16 18:31:15 2008 Upgraded the
>>> following packages: avahi-daemon (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to
>>> 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-client3 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to
>>> 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-common-data (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2)
>>> to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-common3 (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2)
>>> to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-compat-libdnssd1
>>> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-core5
>>> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-glib1
>>> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3 libavahi-qt3-1
>>> (0.6.20-2ubuntu3.2) to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.3
>>> network-manager-gnome (0.6.5-0ubuntu10) to
>>> 0.6.5-0ubuntu11~7.10.0 update-manager (1:0.81) to 1:0.81.2
>>> update-manager-core (1:0.81) to 1:0.81.2
>>>
>>> Commit Log for Sun Apr 13 22:06:24 2008 Upgraded the
>>> following packages: libavcodec1d
>>> (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
>>> 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3 libavutil1d
>>> (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
>>> 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3 libpostproc1d
>>> (3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4) to
>>> 3:0.cvs20070307-5ubuntu4+medibuntu3
>>>
>>> Commit Log for Fri Apr 11 07:33:09 2008 Upgraded the
>>> following packages: rsync (2.6.9-5ubuntu1) to
>>> 2.6.9-5ubuntu1.1
>>>
>>> Commit Log for Thu Apr 10 17:12:44 2008 Upgraded the
>>> following packages: flashplugin-nonfree
>>> (9.0.48.0.2+really0ubuntu12.2) to 9.0.124.0ubuntu1~gutsy1
>>>
>>> Commit Log for Thu Apr 10 17:05:59 2008 Upgraded the
>>> following packages: ghostscript
>>> (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
>>> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4 ghostscript-x
>>> (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
>>> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4 gs-common
>>> (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
>>> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4 gs-esp
>>> (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
>>> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4 gs-esp-x
>>> (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
>>> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4 libgs8
>>> (8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.3) to
>>> 8.61.dfsg.1~svn8187-0ubuntu3.4
>>>
>>> Commit Log for Fri Apr 4 23:20:34 2008 Upgraded the
>>> following packages: gthumb (3:2.10.6-0ubuntu1) to
>>> 3:2.10.6-0ubuntu1.1
>>>
>>> Commit Log for Thu Apr 3 18:55:34 2008 Upgraded the
>>> following packages: cupsys (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to
>>> 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 cupsys-bsd (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to
>>> 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 cupsys-client (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to
>>> 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 cupsys-common (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to
>>> 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 libcupsimage2 (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to
>>> 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 libcupsys2 (1.3.2-1ubuntu7.5) to
>>> 1.3.2-1ubuntu7.6 openssh-client (1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.1) to
>>> 1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.2 ssh-askpass-gnome (1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.1)
>>> to 1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.2

>>
>> That's a boat-load of patches. People who want to get actual
>> work done use Windows. Dweebs who want to patch their OS
>> all-day, every-day run linux.
>
> You're just a dumb ass liar.
>
>>> Yes, we are struggling right along.
>>
>> No, you're spending your life patching your OS.
>
> You're just a dumb ass liar.
>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>
> ... who can't configure software.

What is really stupid about his "logic" is that among those
patches are Adobe Flash plug-in, Firefox, Avahi, ffmpeg codecs
and ghostscript (used in my case for making documents into PDF).

Microsoft will not update 3rd party applications through their
Windows updates.

None of these patches were for the Linux OS image. None were for
OpenOffice.

The trolls in this newsgroup are getting stupider every day.

--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green

On Fri, 2 May 2008 10:12:16 -0400, DFS wrote:

> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Interesting gob****e. In a way this troll is correct. It took
>> me an insane 30 minutes and one reboot to install Ubuntu. It
>> took an insane amount of tweaking (less than 5 minutes) to
>> configure it.
>
> Tell it to this guy: "My new Toshiba A200 (PSAF1A) works beautifully after a
> week of hard work getting opensuse 10.3 to work."
> http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/in...howtopic=63815
>
> Or this poor soul: "if I open more than one window, it locks up, completely!
> 4 days for nothing, please help!"
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...freeze&page=63
>
>
>
>> For past two years using it (life beyond SuSE Open
>> 10), it has worked without crashing, without root kits, without
>> viruses, boots up quicker than Windows XP.
>
> blah blah blah... Linux is perfect.
>
>
>
>> Patches have been administered faithfully and without REBOOTING.
>
> Lucky you. This Linux user has to reboot every 2 minutes: "When I just
> install a single 1 GB everything locks up. The windows XP has no problem but
> I have nothing but issues in Ubuntu any version." #28 at
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...+freeze&page=3
>
>
> This one gets 15 minutes of uptime - he must be on top of the world:
> "The system hangs from time to time (every 15 minutes or so). It's a
> complete system freeze, with no Ctrl-Alt-Backspace escape. Only the on/off
> button helps !"
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...t=Hardy+freeze
>
>
>
>
>> Yes, we are struggling right along.
>
> Yes you are; many tens of thousands of Linux users struggle mightily, as
> evidenced by the avalanche of problem reports. Considering Linux has such a
> tiny user base, the variety and amount of reported problems is shocking.
> But I guess it really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone; Linux/OSS is coded
> by amateurs with little to no real responsibility (financial or reputation
> or career impact) for the crap code they produce.

I also predicted a long time ago that as more noobs use Linux the real
truth about Linux "just works" will become painfully evident.

This is now coming to pass and it's not pretty.



--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

DFS wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Interesting gob****e. In a way this troll is correct. It
>> took me an insane 30 minutes and one reboot to install
>> Ubuntu. It took an insane amount of tweaking (less than 5
>> minutes) to configure it.
>
> Tell it

Again? Okay, interesting gob****e. In a way this troll is
correct. It took me an insane 30 minutes and one reboot to
install Unbuntu. It took an insane amount of tweaking (less than
5 minutes) to configure it.

>> For past two years using it (life beyond SuSE Open 10), it
>> has worked without crashing, without root kits, without
>> viruses, boots up quicker than Windows XP.
>
> blah blah blah... Linux is perfect.

For my needs, why yes. It is perfect for other's needs. Here is
a news update from the EU Council:

http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7386/469

EU: Schools increase use of Open Source
Open Source News - 26 February 2008 - EU and Europe-wide - General

Schools using GNU/Linux or other Open Source systems for desktop
PCs are no longer rare, though in many countries their numbers
are very low. Not so in India, Macedonia, the Philippines, Russia
and Turkey, where hundreds of thousands of pupils are becoming
familiar with Open Source.

This type of software will become more prominent in education,
expects Datamonitor, a research firm. In a report published last
month it predicts that spending on Open Source software,
including maintenance and services, by the education sector
globally will reach $489.9 million by 2012, compared to $286.2
million today.

[....]

However popular these laptops may become, the number of Western
European classrooms were Open Source software is being used
daily, is dwarfed by those in countries like Macedonia, Turkey
and Russia.

In Macedonia, a 180.000 PCs running the GNU/Linux distribution
Ubuntu are being deployed in schools across the country. In
Turkey all students aged 11 and 12 will find Open Source on their
schools PCs as an option next to Microsoft Windows. And in
Russia, the government last year decided to migrate all schools
to GNU/Linux, a move that should be completed by 2009.

Such a threat to the Microsoft Corporation it is, that Chairman
Gates with his little Redmond book made the following statement:

The increasing popularity of Open Source is one possible reason
for Microsoft chairman Bill Gates' recent announcement in Davos
to increase the companies' activities in the education market.
"Over the next three years we want to double the number of
students we get to and the number of teachers we get to, to
address the opportunity there."

>> Patches have been administered faithfully and without
>> REBOOTING.
>
> Lucky you. Th

and thousands upon thousands of others.

>> Yes, we are struggling right along.
>
> Yes you are; many tens of thousands of Linux users struggle
> mightily, as evidenced by the avalanche of

greater security, routine patch updates, 3rd party patch updates,
less CPU load increasing green efficiency, wholesale replacement
of Windows infrastructure with Linux servers, desktops,
appliances, improved infrastructure stability, reduced overhead
expenses and increased time for IT staff planning, meeting user
greater needs.

This rather dull and uninteresting troll makes comments as such
without even trying the software. When he tries the software, he
purposely breaks it, comments on beta and alpha product, etc.

Such a dweeb, really. It would really benefit him if he woke up.
EU economy is now roughly twice as strong as US. EU companies
may consider hiring US software writers for porting Windows
applications to Linux, now that US labour is cost effective.
Without a strong familiarity with Linux, he may become a
participant in the unemployment breadline.

--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green