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  1. Re: Chris Ahlstrom -- Getter of Troll's Goats

    On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:27:25 -0400, Ruben wrote:


    > They get paid for the post, not the quality. As long as they disrupt
    > things, their task masters don't care.
    >
    > Ruben


    You have just described the automated SPAM machine known as Roy
    Schestowitz.

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    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  2. Re: NEWS - Hans Reiser, Found GUILTY of first degree murder. Open Source fallout begins.

    In article <7rpg149rukdmbv7st9ucfpt4uno392k6vk@4ax.com>,
    chrisv wrote:
    > I chose to focus on what he said about Roy, and, for clarity, trimmed
    > the post accordingly. Understand?


    You trimmed the post in a very dishonest way. He made two statements,
    one of which he said was from the article, and one that he made no such
    claim about. You left the second statement, and his admonishment to
    someone that they didn't read the article. That makes it look like he's
    claiming the second statement is supported by the article.

    Considering your general high level of immaturity and asshole nature, it
    is beyond any possible doubt that you did this by accident.

    --
    --Tim Smith

  3. Re: NEWS - Hans Reiser, Found GUILTY of first degree murder. Open Source fallout begins.

    On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:56:42 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:

    > You trimmed the post in a very dishonest way.


    Is being icongnito and trolling for the RIAA and the BSA
    honest Bumpercar boy? Inquiring minds want to know,


    Ruben

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  4. Re: NEWS - Hans Reiser, Found GUILTY of first degree murder. Open Source fallout begins.

    Tim Smith wrote:

    > chrisv wrote:
    >> I chose to focus on what he said about Roy, and, for clarity, trimmed
    >> the post accordingly. Understand?

    >
    >You trimmed the post in a very dishonest way.


    Nope. You are being dishonest in claiming so, actually.

    Ironically, you trimmed and ignored important points from my previous
    post!

    >He made two statements,
    >one of which he said was from the article, and one that he made no such
    >claim about.


    That's not the way it looked to me, Timmy.

    >You left the second statement, and his admonishment to
    >someone that they didn't read the article. That makes it look like he's
    >claiming the second statement is supported by the article.


    If their exchange was not clear, it's not my fault. I honestly quoted
    exactly what I saw happening (remember that I have Quack plonked).

    Quack: This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy
    Schestowitz in my opinion.

    SomeBloke: You totally brain dead WANKER.

    Quack: So you didn't read the article? And you call me brain dead?
    **** off you posturing twit.

    Get it, Timmy? I looked to me, and it STILL looks to me, like
    SomeBloke was complaining about Quack's shot at Roy. It STILL looks
    to me that Quack was claiming that support for his shot at Roy was IN
    THE ARTICLE.

    PERHAPS that's not the case, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I
    HONESTLY thought that that was Quack's claim.

    >Considering your general high level of immaturity and asshole nature,


    Illogical, Timmy, since my levels of "maturity" and/or "niceness" have
    nothing to do with my honesty, of which I am very proud and
    protective. Indeed, it's the fact that I so despise dishonest people
    that leads to my "asshole nature" with those who exhibit it.

    Just because some fsckwit, like you, Timmy, read the exchange above
    and came to a different, perhaps correct, conclusion, does not make my
    interpretation "dishonest".

    >it is beyond any possible doubt that you did this by accident.


    Irrelevant, since I did not claim that it was an "accident", Timmy.

    You're a dishonest asshole, Timmy.


  5. Re: NEWS - Hans Reiser, Found GUILTY of first degree murder. Open Source fallout begins.


    Oh, and let's not forget what is, IMO, the REAL point, here. That is,
    what the despicable scumbag Quack wrote:

    Quack: "This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy
    Schestowitz in my pinion."

    I have a feeling that Timmy's arguing that I "made it look like Quack
    claimed that the article supported his shot at Roy" is simply to
    divert the issue from the fact that Quack took a *despicable* shot at
    Roy.


  6. Re: NEWS - Hans Reiser, Found GUILTY of first degree murder. Open Source fallout begins.

    In article ,
    chrisv wrote:
    > If their exchange was not clear, it's not my fault. I honestly quoted
    > exactly what I saw happening (remember that I have Quack plonked).


    This is what the article you were directly responding to said:

    ------------------------------------------
    Hadron wrote:

    > SomeBloke writes:
    >
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>
    >>> SomeBloke writes:
    >>>
    >>>> Ezekiel wrote:
    >>>>

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>>
    >>>> Am I correct in stating that no body has been found?
    >>>
    >>> Am I correct in stating that you didn't think to read the article?
    >>>
    >>> This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in my
    >>> opinion.

    >>
    >> You totally brain dead WANKER.

    >
    > So you didn't read the article? And you call me brain dead? **** off you
    > posturing twit.
    >


    Oh dear Hardon, lost the use of your limited IQ again? Ah Gary, poor
    little
    lad, you don't appear to realise that you are regarded with contempt by
    everyone who unfortunately reads your moronic posts.

    The article is an irrelevance, as are you.
    ------------------------------------------

    Note that Hadron's remark about reading the article is in response to
    the body question, and his opinion of Roy is separate, and he is not
    saying the article says that.

    That's in the post you were directly responding to, so your excuse that
    you have him killfiled and so didn't see his post doesn't hold water.

    When you trimmed SomeBloke's post, you changed the top section of the
    above to this:
    ------------------------------------------
    >Hadron puked:
    >>
    >> SomeBloke writes:
    >>>
    >>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in

    my
    >>>> opinion.
    >>>
    >>> You totally brain dead WANKER.

    >>
    >> So you didn't read the article?

    ------------------------------------------

    That makes it look like the "read the article" remark is offered in
    support of his opinion of Roy. You cut out the part that shows what it
    is really about.

    (You also changed SomeBloke's "Hadron wrote" to "Hadron puked". That
    you change the words that you attribute to someone else in a quote says
    a lot about your level of honesty).

    --
    --Tim Smith

  7. Re: NEWS - Hans Reiser, Found GUILTY of first degree murder. OpenSource fallout begins.

    On Apr 30, 1:19 am, "Phil Da Lick!"
    wrote:
    > Ezekiel wrote:
    > >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...4/29/BAKU10DLN...

    >
    > > "Computer programmerHansReiserwas arrogant while testifying in his murder
    > > trial and never showed any compassion for his estranged wife, one of many
    > > factors that led to his conviction on first-degree murder, a member of the
    > > jury said today."

    >
    > ****in unreal.
    >
    > and why should he "show compassion" for her? for all we know they had a
    > ****ty marriage. she still hasn't been proven anything other than missing.


    It would have been good for Hans, had anybody managed to make a
    convincing case that Nina
    would be capable of going into the depth of hiding that's being
    suggested, completely abandoning
    normal life and her children.

    She didn't leave the US, didn't enter Russia, or if she did either of
    these things, she did it in a way
    that's difficult to believe.

    The blood, the missing car seat, and the other acknowledgedly light
    evidence, was probably leading
    to a "reasonable doubt" for the jury, but then Hans did the
    monumentally stupid (suicidal!) thing, and
    took the stand.

    Instead of leaving the questions open, he gave answers to each and
    every point of confusion.

    By doing this, he left the jury with no option of finding "reasonable
    doubt" and replaced all that with the
    much easier consideration of "whether the jury believed Hans'
    explanation." They didn't. Guilty verdict.

    > only in america.


    Really? Nobody ever talks themselves into prison in other countries?
    I assure you that in *most* countries,
    the same case would have yielded a conviction, and in many of them,
    Hans would already have been executed.

    The defense did raise the suggestion that Nina fled the country
    incognito. The jury didn't find that to be credible.
    I don't either. What was so valuable to make this, amazingly
    difficult disappearing act *for life*, worth while? You might
    dismiss that question as irrelevant, but without a convincing answer,
    the jury couldn't (and shouldn't) buy it.

    If you really feel strongly about this, hire some private detectives
    and find Nina! Or find the car seat, with no blood and no body tied
    to it!


  8. Re: Chris Ahlstrom -- Getter of Troll's Goats

    Ruben wrote:
    > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:14:18 -0500, chrisv wrote:
    >
    >> Linonut wrote:
    >>
    >>> By the way, I don't think he is paid. No one would pay for such a
    >>> shabby job.

    >>
    >> Indeed. That applies to most all the Wintrolls in here, really.
    >> They are such transparent liars, constantly taking the *obviously*
    >> wrong side of the issues...

    >
    > They get paid for the post, not the quality. As long as they disrupt
    > things, their task masters don't care.


    How can we disrupt what's already a huge, stinking mess?




  9. Re: NEWS - Hans Reiser, Found GUILTY of first degree murder. OpenSource fallout begins.

    James Of Tucson wrote:
    > On Apr 30, 1:19 am, "Phil Da Lick!"
    >> ****in unreal.
    >>
    >> and why should he "show compassion" for her? for all we know they had a
    >> ****ty marriage. she still hasn't been proven anything other than missing.

    >
    > It would have been good for Hans, had anybody managed to make a
    > convincing case that Nina
    > would be capable of going into the depth of hiding that's being
    > suggested, completely abandoning
    > normal life and her children.
    >
    > She didn't leave the US, didn't enter Russia, or if she did either of
    > these things, she did it in a way
    > that's difficult to believe.
    >
    > The blood, the missing car seat, and the other acknowledgedly light
    > evidence, was probably leading
    > to a "reasonable doubt" for the jury, but then Hans did the
    > monumentally stupid (suicidal!) thing, and
    > took the stand.
    >
    > Instead of leaving the questions open, he gave answers to each and
    > every point of confusion.
    >
    > By doing this, he left the jury with no option of finding "reasonable
    > doubt" and replaced all that with the
    > much easier consideration of "whether the jury believed Hans'
    > explanation." They didn't. Guilty verdict.


    You seem to be misunderstanding the reasonable doubt argument. To be
    convicted of murder the case has to be proven by the prosecution beyond
    a reasonable doubt.

    Have they proven beyond a reasonable doubt that a murder actually took
    place? No. The evidence is circumstantial to say the least.


    >> only in america.

    >
    > Really? Nobody ever talks themselves into prison in other countries?
    > I assure you that in *most* countries,
    > the same case would have yielded a conviction, and in many of them,
    > Hans would already have been executed.
    >
    > The defense did raise the suggestion that Nina fled the country
    > incognito. The jury didn't find that to be credible.
    > I don't either. What was so valuable to make this, amazingly
    > difficult disappearing act *for life*, worth while? You might
    > dismiss that question as irrelevant, but without a convincing answer,
    > the jury couldn't (and shouldn't) buy it.


    People go missing for years at a time all over the world, without
    neccessarily leaving the country. Hell, for all we know some weirdo's
    got her locked up in his bondage dungeon.


    > If you really feel strongly about this, hire some private detectives
    > and find Nina! Or find the car seat, with no blood and no body tied
    > to it!


    Again, you're misunderstanding how the justice system works. It is not
    for anyone to prove he didn't do it. Or at least, it shouldn't be. It
    should be for the prosecution to prove that he did. And they haven't.
    All they#ve really done is play on the fact he had a ****ty marriage,
    and his wife is missing, pointed at some shaky evidence at best, and let
    the yokels in the jury join the perceived dots.

    And I don't particularly feel strongly about this case, but I do feel
    strongly that we're slowly being spoonfed away from "innocent until
    PROVEN guilty" by TPTB.

  10. Re: NEWS - Hans Reiser, Found GUILTY of first degree murder. Open Source fallout begins.

    Tim Smith wrote:

    >(snipped, unread)


    Poor Timmy, I can't dumb it down any more for you. Are you trying to
    emulate your hero Erik Fuddie, by attacking your moral superiors?
    Being an immoral, dishonest fsck like Fuddie is not a worthy goal,
    Timmy.

    --

    "This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in my
    opinion." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark


  11. Re: NEWS - Hans Reiser, Found GUILTY of first degree murder. Open Source fallout begins.

    On 2008-04-30, chrisv wrote:
    > JEDIDIAH wrote:
    >
    >>> AFAIK, he got a fair trial.

    >>
    >> You don't really know anything and nor do I.

    >
    > Actually, I do know that he had a trial, that he had legal
    > representation at that trial, and that I have no reason to believe that he
    > has been treated unfairly.
    >


    Sure we have. The jury demonstrated a clear personal bias and exculplatory
    evidence was supressed. Both point out clear flaws in our trial procedure that
    can taint results.

    Like I said before, Reiser was probably convicted for being a freak
    the moment he opened up his mouth. Bias like this is quite commonplace
    and well documented. You would do well to consider it if you ever find
    yourself unlucky.

    The naive are like lambs being led to slaughter.

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  17. Re: Chris Ahlstrom -- Getter of Troll's Goats


  18. Re: NEWS - Hans Reiser, Found GUILTY of first degree murder. Open Source fallout begins.

    On Thu, 01 May 2008 09:57:04 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:

    > Sure we have.


    Sure we have what? You have a real name or an anti-semetic bend?
    I wonder if your the guy who stabbed Teddy Van Gough?
    Ruben

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  19. Re: NEWS - Hans Reiser, Found GUILTY of first degree murder. OpenSource fallout begins.

    On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:19:26 +0100, Phil Da Lick! wrote:

    > Ezekiel wrote:
    >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../a/2008/04/29/

    BAKU10DLNG.DTL&tsp=1
    >>
    >> "Computer programmer Hans Reiser was arrogant while testifying in his
    >> murder trial and never showed any compassion for his estranged wife,
    >> one of many factors that led to his conviction on first-degree murder,
    >> a member of the jury said today."

    >
    > ****in unreal.
    >
    > and why should he "show compassion" for her? for all we know they had a
    > ****ty marriage. she still hasn't been proven anything other than
    > missing.
    >
    > only in america.


    I haven't been following this case, but if I'm reading you correctly,
    he's been convicted of murdering a woman who, for all anyone knows, is
    shacking up somewhere happy as a clam. Is that about right?

    If so, this is a frightening state of affairs.


  20. Re: NEWS - Hans Reiser, Found GUILTY of first degree murder. Open Source fallout begins.

    Kelsey Bjarnason writes:

    > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:19:26 +0100, Phil Da Lick! wrote:
    >
    >> Ezekiel wrote:
    >>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../a/2008/04/29/

    > BAKU10DLNG.DTL&tsp=1
    >>>
    >>> "Computer programmer Hans Reiser was arrogant while testifying in his
    >>> murder trial and never showed any compassion for his estranged wife,
    >>> one of many factors that led to his conviction on first-degree murder,
    >>> a member of the jury said today."

    >>
    >> ****in unreal.
    >>
    >> and why should he "show compassion" for her? for all we know they had a
    >> ****ty marriage. she still hasn't been proven anything other than
    >> missing.
    >>
    >> only in america.

    >
    > I haven't been following this case, but if I'm reading you correctly,


    But that won't stop the amazing Kelsey from procrastinating about it no
    doubt ...

    > he's been convicted of murdering a woman who, for all anyone knows, is
    > shacking up somewhere happy as a clam. Is that about right?


    A woman? His wife. You know full well. And this woman disappears leaving
    her two kids? And at the same time she vanishes he removes a car seat
    from a car which is subsequently found to be splashed with her blood? Oh
    dear. Tape monkeys should stick to eating donouts and swapping tapes -
    not talking about the finer aspects of law and order.

    >
    > If so, this is a frightening state of affairs.
    >


    The "advocates" become more ridiculous every day.


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