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  1. [News] New OSI Board Announced, Linux Foundation Goes Very Commercial

    OSI board election results for this year

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | The annual board elections at OSI were held today. The new
    | board is comprised of (in reverse lexical order):
    |
    |
    | * Michael Tiemann
    |
    | * Bruno de Souza
    |
    | * Alolita Sharma
    |
    | * Nnenna Nwakanma
    |
    | * Russell Nelson
    |
    | * Martin Michlmayr
    |
    | * Harshad Gune
    |
    | * Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
    |
    | * Danese Cooper
    |
    | * Ken Coar
    `----

    http://ken.coar.org/burrow/index?entry=3500

    Someone must not have been rigging and stuffing those ballots with business
    partners. Ghosh is there, which is good.

    Commentary: the Linux Foundation and the future of Linux

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | I came away from the second annual Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit with
    | mixed feelings. I mean, it's hard not to support the group that pays Linus
    | Torvalds to spend his time continuing to lead the poster-boy project for free
    | and open source software. But at the same time, those golden chains are my
    | biggest concern about the Linux Foundation.
    |
    | IBM sponsored the event, and they are the biggest supporter of Linux in the
    | corporate world. The foundation membership is made up of almost all the large
    | and and many of wanna-be-large IT firms around the globe -- including Adobe,
    | which is one of the foundation's newest members.
    `----

    http://www.linux.com/feature/132203

    "If the operating system is in fact a natural monopoly, then what could be
    better than having an operating system that nobody owns?"

    --James Love


    Related:

    Linux partisans gather at Foundation annual meeting

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | ...the LF brings together the top cats from both the
    | corporate world and the open-source community. At this week's meeting,
    | engineers and developers, and CEOs and CIOs will join together to talk about
    | Linux's recent path and its future for the coming year and beyond.
    `----

    http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS9306666037.html


    Linux kernel developers have tripled in number

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | The Linux Foundation (LF) has published a study on Linux mainline kernel
    | development. According to LF, the number of Linux kernel developers has
    | tripled since 2005, with many more companies contributing to the process
    | (including, potentially, the latest new LF member, Adobe). *
    `----

    http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6925891609.html

  2. Re: [News] New OSI Board Announced, Linux Foundation Goes Very Commercial

    On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:37:24 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:


    >| IBM sponsored the event, and they are the biggest supporter of Linux in the
    >| corporate world.


    You mean this IBM?
    Nahh...
    Couldn't be.
    Linux wouldn't associate with a company like THIS IBM now would it?

    Of course it would.

    South Korean Officials Indicted On Corruption Charges Linked To IBM
    Affiliate

    "Prosecutors indicted 48 government and IBM (NYSE:IBM) company officials
    Sunday on corruption charges linked to a South Korean affiliate of U.S.
    computer giant, a media report said Sunday.

    Yonhap news agency said prosecutors alleged that IBM's South Korean branch,
    IBM Korea, and its local affiliates used bribes to win some 66 billion won
    ($55 million) worth of procurement contracts from government agencies.
    http://www.crn.com/it-channel/18826123"









    > http://www.linux.com/feature/132203
    >
    > "If the operating system is in fact a natural monopoly, then what could be
    > better than having an operating system that nobody owns?"
    >
    > --James Love
    >
    >
    > Related:
    >
    > Linux partisans gather at Foundation annual meeting
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    >| ...the LF brings together the top cats from both the
    >| corporate world and the open-source community. At this week's meeting,
    >| engineers and developers, and CEOs and CIOs will join together to talk about
    >| Linux's recent path and its future for the coming year and beyond.
    > `----
    >
    > http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS9306666037.html
    >
    >
    > Linux kernel developers have tripled in number
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    >| The Linux Foundation (LF) has published a study on Linux mainline kernel
    >| development. According to LF, the number of Linux kernel developers has
    >| tripled since 2005, with many more companies contributing to the process
    >| (including, potentially, the latest new LF member, Adobe). *
    > `----
    >
    > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6925891609.html



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  3. Re: [News] New OSI Board Announced


    Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    > OSI board election results for this year
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | The annual board elections at OSI were held today. The new
    > | board is comprised of (in reverse lexical order):
    > |
    > |
    > | * Michael Tiemann
    > |
    > | * Bruno de Souza
    > |
    > | * Alolita Sharma
    > |
    > | * Nnenna Nwakanma
    > |
    > | * Russell Nelson
    > |
    > | * Martin Michlmayr
    > |
    > | * Harshad Gune
    > |
    > | * Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
    > |
    > | * Danese Cooper
    > |
    > | * Ken Coar
    > `----


    Mostly unknowns. Where's Bruce Perens?

    http://www.linux.com/feed/129946
    (Bruce Perens campaigns to join the OSI)

    http://techp.org/p/7
    (1921 people have added their signatures to this document)

    Corruption at OSI is obvious.

    Lessig The Junior: "Change OSI"

    Perens for President!

    regards,
    alexander.

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    too, whereas GNU cannot.)

  4. Re: [News] New OSI Board Announced, Linux Foundation Goes Very Commercial

    Moshe Goldfarb is flatfish (aka: Gary Stewart)

    http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2008/...arb-troll.html
    http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/...ish-troll.html

    Traits:

    * Nym shifting (see below)
    * Self confessed thief and proud of it
    * Homophobic
    * Racist
    * Habitual liar
    * Frequently cross posts replies to other non-Linux related newsgroups
    * Frequently cross posts articles originally not posted to COLA

  5. Re: [News] New OSI Board Announced, Linux Foundation Goes Very Commercial

    Roy Schestowitz wrote:

    > Commentary: the Linux Foundation and the future of Linux
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    > | I came away from the second annual Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit with
    > | mixed feelings. I mean, it's hard not to support the group that pays Linus
    > | Torvalds to spend his time continuing to lead the poster-boy project for free
    > | and open source software. But at the same time, those golden chains are my
    > | biggest concern about the Linux Foundation.
    > |
    > | IBM sponsored the event, and they are the biggest supporter of Linux in the
    > | corporate world. The foundation membership is made up of almost all the large
    > | and and many of wanna-be-large IT firms around the globe -- including Adobe,
    > | which is one of the foundation's newest members.
    > `----
    >
    > http://www.linux.com/feature/132203


    more at that link:
    (((((
    > Before I learned that the press was not welcome in any of the working-meetings at the summit on days 2 and 3, I saw and heard rumblings of discontent from more than one ordinary Linux desktop user. One example: a top-ten list of inhibitors to Linux adoption, created by a committee of foundation members, contained nothing at all relating to desktop usage. Nothing. Everything on the list was about back-room usage. Servers. Big iron.

    )))))

    Here is a comment by Linus, 09 July 2003
    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/softwar...linus_torvalds
    (((((
    > Are you happy that Linux is used commercially primarily on servers? Would you rather see it be more of a mainstream desktop phenomenon? Obviously the two aren't mutually exclusive, but I'm curious which future you'd rather see.
    > Oh, I'd obviously like to see Linux more on the desktop too, but I take the long view, and I don't think it has to happen tomorrow. The reason Linux is strong on servers is that it is a much easier market to get into, and I'm very happy with where Linux is today in that area. And I absolutely do not see the server and desktop as mutually exclusive. In fact I personally think that a large measure of the technical "goodness" of an OS is how well it responds to different kinds of users, and I think specialised niche OSs are an evolutionary dead end.

    )))))

    I seem to recall an interview from a few years ago wherein Linus seemed
    pretty disinterested in the desktop, using words similar to "don't hold
    your breath" or "don't expect it anytime soon." I wasn't able to find
    the exact interview.

  6. Re: [News] New OSI Board Announced, Linux Foundation Goes Very Commercial

    Matt wrote:

    > I seem to recall an interview from a few years ago wherein Linus
    > seemed pretty disinterested in the desktop, using words similar to
    > "don't hold your breath" or "don't expect it anytime soon."



    Same disdainful reaction I had to Torvald's ridiculous implication when he
    said "I am not out to destroy Microsoft, that would be a completely
    unintended side effect."

    As if...



  7. Re: [News] New OSI Board Announced, Linux Foundation Goes Very Commercial

    ____/ Matt on Friday 18 April 2008 02:53 : \____

    > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> Commentary: the Linux Foundation and the future of Linux
    >>
    >> ,----[ Quote ]
    >> | I came away from the second annual Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit
    >> | with mixed feelings. I mean, it's hard not to support the group that pays
    >> | Linus Torvalds to spend his time continuing to lead the poster-boy project
    >> | for free and open source software. But at the same time, those golden
    >> | chains are my biggest concern about the Linux Foundation.
    >> |
    >> | IBM sponsored the event, and they are the biggest supporter of Linux in
    >> | the corporate world. The foundation membership is made up of almost all
    >> | the large and and many of wanna-be-large IT firms around the globe --
    >> | including Adobe, which is one of the foundation's newest members.
    >> `----
    >>
    >> http://www.linux.com/feature/132203

    >
    > more at that link:
    > (((((
    >> Before I learned that the press was not welcome in any of the
    >> working-meetings at the summit on days 2 and 3, I saw and heard rumblings of
    >> discontent from more than one ordinary Linux desktop user. One example: a
    >> top-ten list of inhibitors to Linux adoption, created by a committee of
    >> foundation members, contained nothing at all relating to desktop usage.
    >> Nothing. Everything on the list was about back-room usage. Servers. Big
    >> iron.

    > )))))
    >
    > Here is a comment by Linus, 09 July 2003
    >

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/softwar...linus_torvalds
    > (((((
    >> Are you happy that Linux is used commercially primarily on servers? Would
    >> you rather see it be more of a mainstream desktop phenomenon? Obviously the
    >> two aren't mutually exclusive, but I'm curious which future you'd rather
    >> see.
    >> Oh, I'd obviously like to see Linux more on the desktop too, but I take the
    >> long view, and I don't think it has to happen tomorrow. The reason Linux is
    >> strong on servers is that it is a much easier market to get into, and I'm
    >> very happy with where Linux is today in that area. And I absolutely do not
    >> see the server and desktop as mutually exclusive. In fact I personally think
    >> that a large measure of the technical "goodness" of an OS is how well it
    >> responds to different kinds of users, and I think specialised niche OSs are
    >> an evolutionary dead end.

    > )))))
    >
    > I seem to recall an interview from a few years ago wherein Linus seemed
    > pretty disinterested in the desktop, using words similar to "don't hold
    > your breath" or "don't expect it anytime soon." I wasn't able to find
    > the exact interview.


    He recently set up a Fedora desktop for his wife. He does use Linux and he also
    installs his own on Apple hardware.

    His idea of Linux desktops is different from ours because he uses git for
    managing his project and he *still* uses pine for E-mail. So, picture a guy
    whose desktop, which runs Linux, is actually a Mac box with terminals on a
    single-head large screen (I can't recall if he used one very large monitor).
    To be brutally honest with you, in many ways, in terms of productivity, he's a
    bit of a Luddite.

    Recent (of interest I suppose):

    Don't use Emacs, says Java's father

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | Known in the development world as the father of Java, Sun Microsystems' vice
    | president and fellow James Gosling has urged coders to stop using the
    | antiquated Emacs text editor and move to a more modern IDE like Sun's own
    | open source NetBeans. *
    `----

    http://www.computerworld.com.au/inde...pid;1968336438

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  8. Re: [News] New OSI Board Announced, Linux Foundation Goes Very Commercial


    "Matt" wrote in message
    news:6aTNj.1751$NU2.229@news01.roc.ny...
    > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> Commentary: the Linux Foundation and the future of Linux
    >>
    >> ,----[ Quote ]
    >> | I came away from the second annual Linux Foundation Collaboration
    >> Summit with | mixed feelings. I mean, it's hard not to support the group
    >> that pays Linus | Torvalds to spend his time continuing to lead the
    >> poster-boy project for free | and open source software. But at the same
    >> time, those golden chains are my | biggest concern about the Linux
    >> Foundation. | | IBM sponsored the event, and they are the biggest
    >> supporter of Linux in the | corporate world. The foundation membership
    >> is made up of almost all the large | and and many of wanna-be-large IT
    >> firms around the globe -- including Adobe, | which is one of the
    >> foundation's newest members. `----
    >>
    >> http://www.linux.com/feature/132203

    >
    > more at that link:
    > (((((
    >> Before I learned that the press was not welcome in any of the
    >> working-meetings at the summit on days 2 and 3, I saw and heard
    >> rumblings of discontent from more than one ordinary Linux desktop user.
    >> One example: a top-ten list of inhibitors to Linux adoption, created by
    >> a committee of foundation members, contained nothing at all relating to
    >> desktop usage. Nothing. Everything on the list was about back-room
    >> usage. Servers. Big iron.

    > )))))
    >
    > Here is a comment by Linus, 09 July 2003
    > http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/softwar...linus_torvalds
    > (((((
    >> Are you happy that Linux is used commercially primarily on servers?
    >> Would you rather see it be more of a mainstream desktop phenomenon?
    >> Obviously the two aren't mutually exclusive, but I'm curious which
    >> future you'd rather see.
    >> Oh, I'd obviously like to see Linux more on the desktop too, but I take
    >> the long view, and I don't think it has to happen tomorrow. The reason
    >> Linux is strong on servers is that it is a much easier market to get
    >> into, and I'm very happy with where Linux is today in that area. And I
    >> absolutely do not see the server and desktop as mutually exclusive. In
    >> fact I personally think that a large measure of the technical "goodness"
    >> of an OS is how well it responds to different kinds of users, and I
    >> think specialised niche OSs are an evolutionary dead end.

    > )))))
    >
    > I seem to recall an interview from a few years ago wherein Linus seemed
    > pretty disinterested in the desktop, using words similar to "don't hold
    > your breath" or "don't expect it anytime soon." I wasn't able to find
    > the exact interview.


    Linus has said this several times. His family uses Windows and Mac. At
    least he's realistic enough to see that the desktop is owned by Microsoft.


    ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

  9. Re: [News] New OSI Board Announced, Linux Foundation Goes Very Commercial

    * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:

    > His idea of Linux desktops is different from ours because he uses git for
    > managing his project and he *still* uses pine for E-mail. So, picture a guy
    > whose desktop, which runs Linux, is actually a Mac box with terminals on a
    > single-head large screen (I can't recall if he used one very large monitor).
    > To be brutally honest with you, in many ways, in terms of productivity, he's a
    > bit of a Luddite.
    >
    > Recent (of interest I suppose):
    >
    > Don't use Emacs, says Java's father
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    >| Known in the development world as the father of Java, Sun Microsystems' vice
    >| president and fellow James Gosling has urged coders to stop using the
    >| antiquated Emacs text editor and move to a more modern IDE like Sun's own
    >| open source NetBeans. *
    > `----


    Roy, this kind of "Luddite" stuff cracks me up. UNIX fans have been
    using programming productivity tools for /decades/, while the consumer
    platforms have been either busily wrapping them up in crippling GUI
    silos, or providing replacement functionality that doesn't quite do the
    job.

    UNIX people had worked out some good solutions for pipelining data,
    generating symbol tables and tags tables, managing multiple projects,
    managing large projects, writing code, testing code, debugging code, and
    documenting code.

    In fact, the biggest motivator for Kernighan and crew, by their own
    statements, was for producing an operating environment that programmers
    could love.

    Opinions vary, of course, but my experience has been that it there is
    very little difference in my productivity whether I use an full-blown
    GUI IDE with all the bells and whistles, or use a number of xterms with
    vi, ctags, automake, and the various front-ends to gdb.

    And, in fact, I prefer the seemingly more primitive tools. Why?
    Because they are faster, and have much more extensive support for doing
    things via keystroke.

    In addition, since they present /everything/ as text, it is pretty easy
    to manipulate the configuration and data items with (for example) Perl
    and to write scripts that perform completely customized tasks exactly
    the way I want them done.

    Linus a productivity Luddite? Hardly. I seriously doubt he'd have been
    able to write his kernel, debug it, test it, document it, and control
    the source code changes, if all he had to rely on was GUI code.

    --
    Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning.
    -- Bill Gates

  10. Re: [News] New OSI Board Announced, Linux Foundation Goes Very Commercial

    ____/ Linonut on Friday 18 April 2008 14:43 : \____

    > * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >
    >> His idea of Linux desktops is different from ours because he uses git for
    >> managing his project and he *still* uses pine for E-mail. So, picture a guy
    >> whose desktop, which runs Linux, is actually a Mac box with terminals on a
    >> single-head large screen (I can't recall if he used one very large monitor).
    >> To be brutally honest with you, in many ways, in terms of productivity, he's
    >> a bit of a Luddite.
    >>
    >> Recent (of interest I suppose):
    >>
    >> Don't use Emacs, says Java's father
    >>
    >> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>| Known in the development world as the father of Java, Sun Microsystems'
    >>| vice president and fellow James Gosling has urged coders to stop using the
    >>| antiquated Emacs text editor and move to a more modern IDE like Sun's own
    >>| open source NetBeans.
    >> `----

    >
    > Roy, this kind of "Luddite" stuff cracks me up. UNIX fans have been
    > using programming productivity tools for /decades/, while the consumer
    > platforms have been either busily wrapping them up in crippling GUI
    > silos, or providing replacement functionality that doesn't quite do the
    > job.


    I don't typically use IDEs either. For MATLAB, to give just one example, I just
    use the command-line (clean) mode along with Kate (over FTP). The MATLAB IDE
    is slow, ugly, it lacks some general function and gives no access to various
    utilities that can augment it. Those who have little or no programming
    experience use the IDE and it probably slows them down. And I /did/ use the
    IDE in the past. I later ditched it, by choice. It's a good IDE, but being an
    IDE does not make it better. It very much depends on the user.

    > UNIX people had worked out some good solutions for pipelining data,
    > generating symbol tables and tags tables, managing multiple projects,
    > managing large projects, writing code, testing code, debugging code, and
    > documenting code.


    Okay, I'll admit that I reply as I read along (paragraph by paragraph). So,
    yes... that relates to what I wrote before. "Pipelining data" is very
    important. Even Microsoft is trying to catch up at the moment by mimicking
    bash (and poorly). In that respect, UNIX is well ahead. Some Windows users use
    cygwin for this reason.

    > In fact, the biggest motivator for Kernighan and crew, by their own
    > statements, was for producing an operating environment that programmers
    > could love.
    >
    > Opinions vary, of course, but my experience has been that it there is
    > very little difference in my productivity whether I use an full-blown
    > GUI IDE with all the bells and whistles, or use a number of xterms with
    > vi, ctags, automake, and the various front-ends to gdb.


    Linux has IDEs and GUIs. Always. _For those who require them_. Actually, a lot
    of front ends are going Web-based nowadays, which changes the rules we once
    knew.

    > And, in fact, I prefer the seemingly more primitive tools. Why?
    > Because they are faster, and have much more extensive support for doing
    > things via keystroke.


    Aye.

    > In addition, since they present /everything/ as text, it is pretty easy
    > to manipulate the configuration and data items with (for example) Perl
    > and to write scripts that perform completely customized tasks exactly
    > the way I want them done.
    >
    > Linus a productivity Luddite? Hardly. I seriously doubt he'd have been
    > able to write his kernel, debug it, test it, document it, and control
    > the source code changes, if all he had to rely on was GUI code.


    I wonder what O/S he used to write Linux before he was able to eat his own
    dogfood so to speak. You know, run on GNU/Linux... first available in 1992 or
    so.... right here in Manchester Computing Centre. He started coding in 1991.

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