Doug Mentohl writes:

> "That's right, a 100 percent free version of Photoshop is now
> available to anyone with a web browser and an Internet connection"
>
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...nd-online.html

That's Gimp in mothballs then

Most people will go with the big name and the "Idiots guide" books every
time.

Most casual image fiddlers will probably only need 10% of what the
express version gives.

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:37:32 -0700 (PDT), Doug Mentohl wrote:

> "That's right, a 100 percent free version of Photoshop is now
> available to anyone with a web browser and an Internet connection"
>
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...nd-online.html

Thanks....


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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:11:20 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> Doug Mentohl writes:
>
>> "That's right, a 100 percent free version of Photoshop is now available
>> to anyone with a web browser and an Internet connection"
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...th-1000-words-
photoshop-express-now-free-and-online.html
>
> That's Gimp in mothballs then

No, it isn't.

>
> Most people will go with the big name and the "Idiots guide" books every
> time.

Not necessarily.

>
> Most casual image fiddlers will probably only need 10% of what the
> express version gives.

Then they should be able to use Gimp.


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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:09:15 -0000, Rick wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:11:20 +0100, Hadron wrote:

>> Most casual image fiddlers will probably only need 10% of what the
>> express version gives.
>
> Then they should be able to use Gimp.

But they don't.

They should be able to use Linux as well.

But they don't.

They should be able to use Open Office as well, even under Windows.

But they don't.

Why is that?

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Moshe Goldfarb writes:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:09:15 -0000, Rick wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:11:20 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>
>>> Most casual image fiddlers will probably only need 10% of what the
>>> express version gives.
>>
>> Then they should be able to use Gimp.

But they wont as Gimp is relatively tricky to use. You missed my
point. Most users do not need a well featured piece of SW like
gimp. They might have used it before now, but now there is this? I doubt
it.

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:13:15 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:09:15 -0000, Rick wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:11:20 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>
>>> Most casual image fiddlers will probably only need 10% of what the
>>> express version gives.
>>
>> Then they should be able to use Gimp.

.... if all they need is 10% of Photops' features, then they shuold be
able to sue Gimp. Be able to use.

>
> But they don't.

How many Linux users that do graphics editing do not use Gimp/

>
> They should be able to use Linux as well.
>
> But they don't.

>
> They should be able to use Open Office as well, even under Windows.
>
> But they don't.

A lot do.

>
> Why is that?

You know the answers, even if you deny them to yourself and everyone
else. Network effects. Herd mentality.


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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:18:48 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb writes:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:09:15 -0000, Rick wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:11:20 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>>> Most casual image fiddlers will probably only need 10% of what the
>>>> express version gives.
>>>
>>> Then they should be able to use Gimp.
>
> But they wont as Gimp is relatively tricky to use. You missed my point.
> Most users do not need a well featured piece of SW like gimp. They might
> have used it before now, but now there is this? I doubt it.

.... and you have to have an Internet connection to use it. Oh, well.

You have to pay for the advance features....


Some will pay. Probably a great many will pay. And some Linux users may
start using it. So what?

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"Rick" stated in post 13uo1q61fllt87b@news.supernews.com
on 3/27/08 1:44 PM:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:13:15 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:09:15 -0000, Rick wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:11:20 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>>> Most casual image fiddlers will probably only need 10% of what the
>>>> express version gives.
>>>
>>> Then they should be able to use Gimp.
>
> ... if all they need is 10% of Photops' features, then they shuold be
>
> able to sue Gimp. Be able to use.
>
>>
>> But they don't.
>
> How many Linux users that do graphics editing do not use Gimp/
>
>>
>> They should be able to use Linux as well.
>>
>> But they don't.
>
>>
>> They should be able to use Open Office as well, even under Windows.
>>
>> But they don't.
>
> A lot do.
>
>>
>> Why is that?
>
> You know the answers, even if you deny them to yourself and everyone
> else. Network effects. Herd mentality.

You use that mantra a lot. Weird how little effort you put forth to support
it.


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Snit writes:

> "Rick" stated in post 13uo1q61fllt87b@news.supernews.com
> on 3/27/08 1:44 PM:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:13:15 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:09:15 -0000, Rick wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:11:20 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Most casual image fiddlers will probably only need 10% of what the
>>>>> express version gives.
>>>>
>>>> Then they should be able to use Gimp.
>>
>> ... if all they need is 10% of Photops' features, then they shuold be
>>
>> able to sue Gimp. Be able to use.
>>
>>>
>>> But they don't.
>>
>> How many Linux users that do graphics editing do not use Gimp/
>>
>>>
>>> They should be able to use Linux as well.
>>>
>>> But they don't.
>>
>>>
>>> They should be able to use Open Office as well, even under Windows.
>>>
>>> But they don't.
>>
>> A lot do.
>>
>>>
>>> Why is that?
>>
>> You know the answers, even if you deny them to yourself and everyone
>> else. Network effects. Herd mentality.
>
> You use that mantra a lot. Weird how little effort you put forth to support
> it.


But he is using it in his excuse making. Funny!


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Hadron wrote:

> That's Gimp in mothballs then

Why? It's geared towards professionals, not casual users - completely
different crowd.
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"Tattoo Vampire" wrote in message
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> Hadron wrote:
>
>> That's Gimp in mothballs then
>
> Why? It's geared towards professionals, not casual users - completely
> different crowd.

You have got to be kidding. Photoshop absolutely OWNZ the professional
graphics market.

Get in sync with the other COLA nuts. The official Gimp mantra is that most
casual users don't need the "professional features" of Photoshop so that's
why they'll use gimp.



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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:46:29 +0000, Rick wrote:

> Some will pay. Probably a great many will pay. And some Linux users may
> start using it. So what?

Are you saying that Photoshop Express' lack of a consistent Gnome or
KDE UI will drive Linux users away? :->

"El Tux" stated in post
13uo9b6gl834r78@news.supernews.com on 3/27/08 3:53 PM:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:46:29 +0000, Rick wrote:
>
>> Some will pay. Probably a great many will pay. And some Linux users may
>> start using it. So what?
>
> Are you saying that Photoshop Express' lack of a consistent Gnome or
> KDE UI will drive Linux users away? :->

Do you think that a web based app is a integrated into an environment as a
local app?


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Tattoo Vampire writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> That's Gimp in mothballs then
>
> Why? It's geared towards professionals, not casual users - completely
> different crowd.

Because very few professionals use it. Well, I know of none. Most users
are like me where they have fairly basic image manipulation needs and
might well move to this online stuff rather than deal with overhead of
Gimp.

FWIW, I think Gimp is a great program "for free".

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El Tux writes:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:46:29 +0000, Rick wrote:
>
>> Some will pay. Probably a great many will pay. And some Linux users may
>> start using it. So what?
>
> Are you saying that Photoshop Express' lack of a consistent Gnome or
> KDE UI will drive Linux users away? :->

What nonsense are you talking? It's an online application. So long as it
conforms to most general tab and select UI standards for a web app it
will be ok.

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Tattoo Vampire wrote:
> Hadron wrote:

>> That's Gimp in mothballs then
>
> Why? It's geared towards professionals, not casual users - completely
> different crowd.

There's that... and the fact that I'd be waiting all day to upload my
hi-res scans that often exceed 100MB each (assuming the service even
supports such large files). Plus I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be
having my private photographs on a public server, regardless of whatever
security assurances Adobe makes, especially as these servers will likely
be Windows based. Even if the forward facing systems are running
Solaris, the backend will need to run their Windows-oriented software.

Hmm, I think I'll just stick with working on local files in the Gimp.

As for Photoshop's supposed "professionalism". Bleah! Over-hyped
nonsense. It's an image editor ... and? Only brain-dead sheep like
Rhonda make such a fuss over these supposed "killer apps", as Messiah
Jobs might say.

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Ezekiel wrote:

> You have got to be kidding. Photoshop absolutely OWNZ the professional
> graphics market.
>
> Get in sync with the other COLA nuts. The official Gimp mantra is that most
> casual users don't need the "professional features" of Photoshop so that's
> why they'll use gimp.

Quit being stupid, although it's probably easy for you since your older
brother is also your daddy, cretin.
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Hadron wrote:

> Because very few professionals use it. Well, I know of none. Most users
> are like me where they have fairly basic image manipulation needs and
> might well move to this online stuff rather than deal with overhead of
> Gimp.
>
> FWIW, I think Gimp is a great program "for free".

Gimp is a good program but the interface absolutely blows.
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