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  1. Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    I don't know whether anyone's posted this yet.

    Florian Schiessl of Munich IT should have reported by now on Munich's
    progress at a conference in Bern.

    http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7393
    (((((
    > CH: OpenExpo 2008
    > 12 - 13 March 2008, Bern, Switzerland
    >
    > The Swiss Open Systems User Group (/ch/open) and many other institutes and companies are organising the OpenExpo in Bern, Switzerland on March 12 and 13. The programme lists fifty presentations, 19 of which are related to the use of Open Source by public administrations.
    >
    > François Marthaler, who works for the government of the Swiss canton Waadt, for example will argue how Open Source ensures independence of public administrations. He will also show how Open Source benefits maintenance and development of applications for public administrations.
    >
    > A second speaker is Florian Schiessl, who works at the IT department of the German city Munich. He will evaluate the German city's public administration first year of working with an Open Source desktop. "Challenges are the integration of the GNU/Linux clients with the IT infrastructure, the making available of specialised applications and the switch to OpenOffice."
    >
    > A third presentation is by Rüdiger Czieschla, representing the public administration of the German city Freiburg. He will discuss the benefits of the city's migration to OpenOffice. "It has been worth it for many reasons, not only because it saved half a million euro."
    >
    > Access to the conference is free of charge.

    )))))

  2. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    Matt wrote:
    > I don't know whether anyone's posted this yet.
    >
    > Florian Schiessl of Munich IT should have reported by now on Munich's
    > progress at a conference in Bern.


    Here is his slide show (in German)

    http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/doc.../Slides/25.pdf


  3. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    ____/ Matt on Sunday 16 March 2008 00:13 : \____

    > I don't know whether anyone's posted this yet.
    >
    > Florian Schiessl of Munich IT should have reported by now on Munich's
    > progress at a conference in Bern.
    >
    > http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7393
    > (((((
    >> CH: OpenExpo 2008
    >> 12 - 13 March 2008, Bern, Switzerland
    >>
    >> The Swiss Open Systems User Group (/ch/open) and many other institutes and
    >> companies are organising the OpenExpo in Bern, Switzerland on March 12 and
    >> 13. The programme lists fifty presentations, 19 of which are related to the
    >> use of Open Source by public administrations.
    >>
    >> François Marthaler, who works for the government of the Swiss canton Waadt,
    >> for example will argue how Open Source ensures independence of public
    >> administrations. He will also show how Open Source benefits maintenance and
    >> development of applications for public administrations.
    >>
    >> A second speaker is Florian Schiessl, who works at the IT department of the
    >> German city Munich. He will evaluate the German city's public administration
    >> first year of working with an Open Source desktop. "Challenges are the
    >> integration of the GNU/Linux clients with the IT infrastructure, the making
    >> available of specialised applications and the switch to OpenOffice."
    >>
    >> A third presentation is by Rüdiger Czieschla, representing the public
    >> administration of the German city Freiburg. He will discuss the benefits of
    >> the city's migration to OpenOffice. "It has been worth it for many reasons,
    >> not only because it saved half a million euro."
    >>
    >> Access to the conference is free of charge.

    > )))))


    Microsoft is very afraid of Munich.

    Mention the word "Munich" and witness a bunch of rabid dogs jumping at you
    barking. Several cities in Europe are watching Munich before they give the
    go-ahead to migrations mimicking the Munich model. It's very important for
    Microsoft to use bullying (pressuring people out of their job), Munchkins,
    fabricated stories.... /ANYTHING/... to make Munich's migration seem
    unsuccessful. It's the same with the non-news that Wal-Mart still sells Linux,
    but via the Web site. Microsoft needs to make noise where it can change
    perception.

    Here is Microsoft's explanation about its "JIHAD" against rivals: (*raises
    eyebrows*)

    http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowa...00/PX03096.pdf

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  4. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:18:39 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:


    > Microsoft is very afraid of Munich.
    >
    > Mention the word "Munich" and witness a bunch of rabid dogs jumping at you
    > barking. Several cities in Europe are watching Munich before they give the
    > go-ahead to migrations mimicking the Munich model.


    God you are funny Schestowitz.

    Munich?

    A 7 + year disaster to migrate a couple of thousand machines to Linux?
    By the time they finish, if they ever finish, the machines and Linux will
    be obsolete.

    Munich is a complete joke as an example of a Windows to Linux migration.
    Totally and completely inept.



    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  5. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    * Matt peremptorily fired off this memo:

    > Matt wrote:
    >> I don't know whether anyone's posted this yet.
    >>
    >> Florian Schiessl of Munich IT should have reported by now on Munich's
    >> progress at a conference in Bern.

    >
    > Here is his slide show (in German)
    >
    > http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/doc.../Slides/25.pdf


    There's a another 50 documents here:

    http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/documents/2008Bern/

    I read German too painfully slow to be useful, sigh.

    --
    About 3 million computers get sold every year in China, but people don't pay
    for the software. Someday they will, though. As long as they are going to
    steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then
    we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.
    -- Bill Gates, Speech at the University of Washington, as reported in
    "Gates, Buffett a bit bearish" CNET News (2 July 1998) [1]

  6. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    Roy Schestowitz wrote:

    > Microsoft is very afraid of Munich.


    heh!


    > Mention the word "Munich" and witness a bunch of rabid dogs jumping
    > at you barking. Several cities in Europe are watching Munich before
    > they give the go-ahead to migrations mimicking the Munich model.


    Wow! Is that several 2 or several 3?


    > It's
    > very important for Microsoft to use bullying (pressuring people out
    > of their job), Munchkins, fabricated stories.... /ANYTHING/... to
    > make Munich's migration seem unsuccessful.


    Show us one example of MS making any such claims or doing anything to
    hinder the "migration" (term used very loosely, as it's a 7 year boondoggle
    at German taxpayer's expense).

    C'mon Spamowitz, back up another of your stupid statements.

    You can't. You're a liar, along the lines of Rex Ballard.



    > It's the same with the
    > non-news that Wal-Mart still sells Linux, but via the Web site.
    > Microsoft needs to make noise where it can change perception.


    And now show us where MS commented on the rejection of Linux systems by
    their store customers.

    Like I said earlier, the best way to get an "advocate" to ignore you is to
    ask for proof of their lies and silly claims.



    > Here is Microsoft's explanation about its "JIHAD" against rivals:
    > (*raises eyebrows*)
    >
    > http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowa...00/PX03096.pdf


    Nothing MS has ever said approaches the sheer vitriol, lunacy, idiocy, and
    dishonesty spewed by you and a thousand other Linux morons day after day
    after day.





  7. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    Linonut wrote:
    > * Matt peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >
    >> Matt wrote:
    >>> I don't know whether anyone's posted this yet.
    >>>
    >>> Florian Schiessl of Munich IT should have reported by now on Munich's
    >>> progress at a conference in Bern.

    >> Here is his slide show (in German)
    >>
    >> http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/doc.../Slides/25.pdf

    >
    > There's a another 50 documents here:
    >
    > http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/documents/2008Bern/
    >
    > I read German too painfully slow to be useful, sigh.


    Use Evince or other pdf reader to select-all and copy the whole document
    to the clipboard, then paste it into the babelfish.com window.

    That doesn't seem to work with acroread because that reader only lets
    you select one page at a time, unless I am wrong.

    The Munich site has a version in English:

    http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde...first_year.pdf

    of which I provide an excerpt:

    > The first year LiMux in Munich
    > Status quo of the LiMux project
    > 1000 work stations migrated to LiMux
    > 6000 work stations using OpenOffice.org
    > > 90% work stations using Firefox and Thunderbird


    Since they migrated 1000 workstations to Linux in one year, any simple
    fool can tell you it will take them 14 years to migrate all 14,000
    workstations.

  8. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    ____/ Matt on Sunday 16 March 2008 16:35 : \____

    > Linonut wrote:
    >> * Matt peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>
    >>> Matt wrote:
    >>>> I don't know whether anyone's posted this yet.
    >>>>
    >>>> Florian Schiessl of Munich IT should have reported by now on Munich's
    >>>> progress at a conference in Bern.
    >>> Here is his slide show (in German)
    >>>
    >>> http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/doc.../Slides/25.pdf

    >>
    >> There's a another 50 documents here:
    >>
    >> http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/documents/2008Bern/
    >>
    >> I read German too painfully slow to be useful, sigh.

    >
    > Use Evince or other pdf reader to select-all and copy the whole document
    > to the clipboard, then paste it into the babelfish.com window.
    >
    > That doesn't seem to work with acroread because that reader only lets
    > you select one page at a time, unless I am wrong.
    >
    > The Munich site has a version in English:
    >
    >

    http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde...first_year.pdf
    >
    > of which I provide an excerpt:
    >
    >> The first year LiMux in Munich
    >> Status quo of the LiMux project
    >> 1000 work stations migrated to LiMux
    >> 6000 work stations using OpenOffice.org
    >> > 90% work stations using Firefox and Thunderbird

    >
    > Since they migrated 1000 workstations to Linux in one year, any simple
    > fool can tell you it will take them 14 years to migrate all 14,000
    > workstations.


    It's not quite the case. In the first year they would have to look for or to
    port applications to Linux (that's what they wrote somewhere). Also, Linux
    evolves all the time (Wine, for example, improves), so the beginning is the
    slowest.

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  9. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    > ____/ Matt on Sunday 16 March 2008 16:35 : \____
    >
    >> Linonut wrote:
    >>> * Matt peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>>
    >>>> Matt wrote:
    >>>>> I don't know whether anyone's posted this yet.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Florian Schiessl of Munich IT should have reported by now on Munich's
    >>>>> progress at a conference in Bern.
    >>>> Here is his slide show (in German)
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/doc.../Slides/25.pdf
    >>> There's a another 50 documents here:
    >>>
    >>> http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/documents/2008Bern/
    >>>
    >>> I read German too painfully slow to be useful, sigh.

    >> Use Evince or other pdf reader to select-all and copy the whole document
    >> to the clipboard, then paste it into the babelfish.com window.
    >>
    >> That doesn't seem to work with acroread because that reader only lets
    >> you select one page at a time, unless I am wrong.
    >>
    >> The Munich site has a version in English:
    >>
    >>

    > http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde...first_year.pdf
    >> of which I provide an excerpt:
    >>
    >>> The first year LiMux in Munich
    >>> Status quo of the LiMux project
    >>> 1000 work stations migrated to LiMux
    >>> 6000 work stations using OpenOffice.org
    >>> > 90% work stations using Firefox and Thunderbird

    >> Since they migrated 1000 workstations to Linux in one year, any simple
    >> fool can tell you it will take them 14 years to migrate all 14,000
    >> workstations.

    >
    > It's not quite the case. In the first year they would have to look for or to
    > port applications to Linux (that's what they wrote somewhere). Also, Linux
    > evolves all the time (Wine, for example, improves), so the beginning is the
    > slowest.


    You were not supposed to give a serious reply.

  10. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    Matt writes:

    > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >> ____/ Matt on Sunday 16 March 2008 16:35 : \____
    >>
    >>> Linonut wrote:
    >>>> * Matt peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Matt wrote:
    >>>>>> I don't know whether anyone's posted this yet.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Florian Schiessl of Munich IT should have reported by now on Munich's
    >>>>>> progress at a conference in Bern.
    >>>>> Here is his slide show (in German)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/doc.../Slides/25.pdf
    >>>> There's a another 50 documents here:
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/documents/2008Bern/
    >>>>
    >>>> I read German too painfully slow to be useful, sigh.
    >>> Use Evince or other pdf reader to select-all and copy the whole document
    >>> to the clipboard, then paste it into the babelfish.com window.
    >>>
    >>> That doesn't seem to work with acroread because that reader only lets
    >>> you select one page at a time, unless I am wrong.
    >>>
    >>> The Munich site has a version in English:
    >>>
    >>>

    >> http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde...first_year.pdf
    >>> of which I provide an excerpt:
    >>>
    >>>> The first year LiMux in Munich
    >>>> Status quo of the LiMux project
    >>>> 1000 work stations migrated to LiMux
    >>>> 6000 work stations using OpenOffice.org
    >>>> > 90% work stations using Firefox and Thunderbird
    >>> Since they migrated 1000 workstations to Linux in one year, any simple
    >>> fool can tell you it will take them 14 years to migrate all 14,000
    >>> workstations.

    >>
    >> It's not quite the case. In the first year they would have to look for or to
    >> port applications to Linux (that's what they wrote somewhere). Also, Linux
    >> evolves all the time (Wine, for example, improves), so the beginning is the
    >> slowest.

    >
    > You were not supposed to give a serious reply.


    The worst thing is that Roy is serious. He thinks (despite having zero
    industry experience himself) that he is teaching you something.

  11. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    Matt wrote:
    > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >> Matt on Sunday 16 March 2008 16:35 :
    >>
    >>> http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde...first_year.pdf




    >>> Since they migrated 1000 workstations to Linux in one
    >>> year, any simple fool can tell you it will take them 14
    >>> years to migrate all 14,000 workstations.

    >>
    >> It's not quite the case. In the first year they would have
    >> to look for or to port applications to Linux (that's what
    >> they wrote somewhere). Also, Linux evolves all the time
    >> (Wine, for example, improves), so the beginning is the
    >> slowest.

    >
    > You were not supposed to give a serious reply.


    Wasn't it Singapore that migrated 20,000 Windows desktops to
    Linux and OpenOffice in two years? That is 10,000 per year. At
    that rate it would take Munich 15 months to migrate. :-)

    --
    HPT

  12. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:10:32 +0100, Hadron wrote:

    > Matt writes:
    >
    >> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>> ____/ Matt on Sunday 16 March 2008 16:35 : \____
    >>>
    >>>> Linonut wrote:
    >>>>> * Matt peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Matt wrote:
    >>>>>>> I don't know whether anyone's posted this yet.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Florian Schiessl of Munich IT should have reported by now on Munich's
    >>>>>>> progress at a conference in Bern.
    >>>>>> Here is his slide show (in German)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/doc.../Slides/25.pdf
    >>>>> There's a another 50 documents here:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/documents/2008Bern/
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I read German too painfully slow to be useful, sigh.
    >>>> Use Evince or other pdf reader to select-all and copy the whole document
    >>>> to the clipboard, then paste it into the babelfish.com window.
    >>>>
    >>>> That doesn't seem to work with acroread because that reader only lets
    >>>> you select one page at a time, unless I am wrong.
    >>>>
    >>>> The Munich site has a version in English:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde...first_year.pdf
    >>>> of which I provide an excerpt:
    >>>>
    >>>>> The first year LiMux in Munich
    >>>>> Status quo of the LiMux project
    >>>>> 1000 work stations migrated to LiMux
    >>>>> 6000 work stations using OpenOffice.org
    >>>>> > 90% work stations using Firefox and Thunderbird
    >>>> Since they migrated 1000 workstations to Linux in one year, any simple
    >>>> fool can tell you it will take them 14 years to migrate all 14,000
    >>>> workstations.
    >>>
    >>> It's not quite the case. In the first year they would have to look for or to
    >>> port applications to Linux (that's what they wrote somewhere). Also, Linux
    >>> evolves all the time (Wine, for example, improves), so the beginning is the
    >>> slowest.

    >>
    >> You were not supposed to give a serious reply.

    >
    > The worst thing is that Roy is serious. He thinks (despite having zero
    > industry experience himself) that he is teaching you something.


    Roy Schestowitz greatly over estimates his importance to the Linux movement
    and to Linux advocacy in general.

    The true Linux advocates are completely embarrassed by Roy Schestowitz
    because he is everything they are trying NOT to be all wrapped up in one
    stinking, smelly package.


    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  13. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:29:06 -0600, High Plains Thumper wrote:

    > Matt wrote:
    >> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>> Matt on Sunday 16 March 2008 16:35 :
    >>>
    >>>> http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde...first_year.pdf

    >
    >
    >
    >>>> Since they migrated 1000 workstations to Linux in one
    >>>> year, any simple fool can tell you it will take them 14
    >>>> years to migrate all 14,000 workstations.
    >>>
    >>> It's not quite the case. In the first year they would have
    >>> to look for or to port applications to Linux (that's what
    >>> they wrote somewhere). Also, Linux evolves all the time
    >>> (Wine, for example, improves), so the beginning is the
    >>> slowest.

    >>
    >> You were not supposed to give a serious reply.

    >
    > Wasn't it Singapore that migrated 20,000 Windows desktops to
    > Linux and OpenOffice in two years? That is 10,000 per year. At
    > that rate it would take Munich 15 months to migrate. :-)


    Germans are legendary for over complicating things.

    Take a look at the door lock system in a Jetta or an Audi one day.

    Solenoids, micro switches etc all over the place just to open and close a
    lock.

    And guess what?

    It's completely unreliable and VERY expensive to fix.

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  14. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    Hadron wrote:
    > Matt writes:
    >
    >> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>> ____/ Matt on Sunday 16 March 2008 16:35 : \____
    >>>
    >>>> Linonut wrote:
    >>>>> * Matt peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Matt wrote:
    >>>>>>> I don't know whether anyone's posted this yet.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Florian Schiessl of Munich IT should have reported by now on Munich's
    >>>>>>> progress at a conference in Bern.
    >>>>>> Here is his slide show (in German)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/doc.../Slides/25.pdf
    >>>>> There's a another 50 documents here:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/documents/2008Bern/
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I read German too painfully slow to be useful, sigh.
    >>>> Use Evince or other pdf reader to select-all and copy the whole document
    >>>> to the clipboard, then paste it into the babelfish.com window.
    >>>>
    >>>> That doesn't seem to work with acroread because that reader only lets
    >>>> you select one page at a time, unless I am wrong.
    >>>>
    >>>> The Munich site has a version in English:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde...first_year.pdf
    >>>> of which I provide an excerpt:
    >>>>
    >>>>> The first year LiMux in Munich
    >>>>> Status quo of the LiMux project
    >>>>> 1000 work stations migrated to LiMux
    >>>>> 6000 work stations using OpenOffice.org
    >>>>> > 90% work stations using Firefox and Thunderbird
    >>>> Since they migrated 1000 workstations to Linux in one year, any simple
    >>>> fool can tell you it will take them 14 years to migrate all 14,000
    >>>> workstations.
    >>> It's not quite the case. In the first year they would have to look for or to
    >>> port applications to Linux (that's what they wrote somewhere). Also, Linux
    >>> evolves all the time (Wine, for example, improves), so the beginning is the
    >>> slowest.

    >> You were not supposed to give a serious reply.

    >
    > The worst thing is that Roy is serious. He thinks (despite having zero
    > industry experience himself) that he is teaching you something.


    Roy works to brings news that helps us all learn a lot every day.

    Now if we could just get some Linux-deniers to admit that Linux adoption
    is not a linear phenomenon ... seems like you just have---it's a start ...


  15. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    High Plains Thumper wrote:
    > Matt wrote:
    >> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>> Matt on Sunday 16 March 2008 16:35 :
    >>>
    >>>> http://www.muenchen.de/cms/prod1/mde...first_year.pdf
    >>>>

    >
    >
    >
    >>>> Since they migrated 1000 workstations to Linux in one
    >>>> year, any simple fool can tell you it will take them 14
    >>>> years to migrate all 14,000 workstations.
    >>>
    >>> It's not quite the case. In the first year they would have
    >>> to look for or to port applications to Linux (that's what
    >>> they wrote somewhere). Also, Linux evolves all the time
    >>> (Wine, for example, improves), so the beginning is the slowest.

    >>
    >> You were not supposed to give a serious reply.

    >
    > Wasn't it Singapore that migrated 20,000 Windows desktops to Linux and
    > OpenOffice in two years? That is 10,000 per year. At that rate it
    > would take Munich 15 months to migrate. :-)


    You may be thinking of the Tamil Nadu state in India, which migrated
    30,000 desktops to Linux in a year.

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&a..._nhi=&safe=off

  16. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    In article <1ktnn1borujxn.1xnayw1npwbn7.dlg@40tude.net>,
    Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
    >
    > Germans are legendary for over complicating things.


    Maybe they brought over some consultants from the US who had PhDs, and
    then the project got delayed when those consultants were arrested for
    having "Dr." on their business cards.

    <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...03/13/AR200803
    1304353.html>

    Germans are the Kzin of Europe. Cute and fuzzy with some bizarre and
    nasty habits, and they always attack before they are ready. :-)

    --
    --Tim Smith

  17. Re: Expect news soon regarding Munich's FOSS migration

    Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

    > The true Linux advocates are completely embarrassed by Roy Schestowitz
    > because he is everything they are trying NOT to be all wrapped up in
    > one stinking, smelly package.


    ROFL!

    Amen to that. Earlier today I started a post on 'Embarrassments to Linux'.
    7 and Roy Schestowitz and [H]omer and Richard Stallman and the Free Software
    Foundation were at the top of my list.



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