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  1. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    In article ,
    Hadron wrote:
    > > Problem is: *You* claimed it would not even be possible to create a
    > > non-contiguous file

    >
    > I said it was nigh on impossible on a new install. You on the other hand
    > didn't know that swapfiles were as efficient now. You got caught out
    > lying and bluffing again. Sometimes I wonder if you might be dimmer than
    > WronG and more dishonest than Liarnut.


    BTW, it is useful to recall how the whole swapfile thing got started in
    the first place. Peter claimed that Macs where inherently slower at
    virtual memory than Linux, because they use swap files, not swap
    partitions.

    I pointed out that Apple gives instructions for creating a swap
    partition if you want one. Peter was not satisfied with that, because
    what Apple does is just put a file system on that partition, and then
    create a swap file that fills that file system.

    Linux came in because I used Linux swap files as an example to show
    Peter that if the people writing the kernel were smart about, there was
    no added performance overhead in the swap space being in a file instead
    of a raw partition. This is a well-known optimization in the kernel
    development world (heck, I knew about it and used it ~25 years ago when
    I was writing the VM system for our Unix port at the workstation
    manufacture I worked for then).

    If you make your swap file on the same partition as you are installing
    on, but do it right after you make the filesystem (which is what you'd
    want to do, so you can enable the swap file so that the rest of the
    install can use it), it will be contiguous.

    That said, another thing being overlooked is the way the swap file is
    used. Consider when an application gets a fault and data has to be
    loaded from the swap file. The data is loaded and the application
    becomes runnable, and eventually is scheduled again. At some point, it
    gets another fault.

    If between the two faults, no other disk activity has occurred, either
    by that application, or by another application that got to run while the
    first was waiting to be rescheduled after the first fault, then you'd
    like the data for the second fault to be near the data for the first
    fault in the swap file. Being contiguous would help that.

    In a more realistic case, though, other disk I/O has taken place, and
    the disk head is in essentially a random location. In that case, it
    doesn't matter how fragmented the swap file is, as long as the data to
    satisfy the current fault is contiguous.

    Summary: a contiguous swap file is as efficient as a swap partition; a
    swap file installed during installation (the most likely time for it) is
    going to be contiguous; and in normal usage in a system that needs to
    use swap space, a certain amount of fragmentation will not harm
    performance.

    --
    --Tim Smith

  2. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:04:57 -0800, Tim Smith wrote:

    > In article ,
    > Peter Köhlmann wrote:
    >>
    >>> Does it make your network safe when you give away your WPA key?

    >>
    >> You might show a Msg-ID where I claim such a thing

    >
    > Hadron claimed it was unsafe. You said Hadron was wrong. Do you stand
    > by your claim that he was wrong (in which case that is equivalent to you
    > claiming that it is safe to publish your WPA key), or do you admit that
    > Hadron is in fact right sometimes?


    Peter Kohlmann likes to slice apart words and dialect except when it proves
    him wrong, which is most of the time.

    Kohlmann's idiocy stretches from his anti-aliasing comments to swapfiles,
    to his not using Windows yet he programs for Windows to Windows users are
    idiots, including his wife who uses Windows.

    It's a total joke when it comes to Kohlmann.


    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  3. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    Tim Smith wrote:

    > In article ,
    > Peter Kohlmann wrote:
    >> Another fine "true linux advocacy" and "me too" post from the
    >> "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert",
    >> "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger
    >> professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time
    >> coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron
    >> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary

    >
    > What did your post add to the threaa, "swap file master", "antialiasing
    > guru", "hash security expert", "64-bit golem", "KDE on Windows genius",
    > "WPA security maven" Peter Kohlmann?
    >
    >


    More than yours did
    --
    Windows is just the instable version of Linux for users who are too
    dumb to handle the real thing


  4. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    Linonut espoused:
    > * Mark Kent peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >
    >> I'd suggest that Microsoft's best route to survival would be a merger
    >> with Oracle... that would keep both of them going for another ten
    >> years...

    >
    > Well, maybe now that Bill's out of the way, Larry might be tempted to
    > become "the richest man in the world"
    >


    Hehe... personally, I think that the death spiral of the proprietary
    software model began about when the GPL was published. It's merely been
    a question of time since then. I'm sure that the proprietary vendors
    have been very aware of this, in particular, that they had maybe another
    twenty years or so during which they could continue to con the public
    into believing that there was some magic in proprietary code, but there
    is no magic.

    I'm not sure how much longer the model will continue for, particularly
    as the real growth is in devices anyway, sales for which massively
    outweigh the desktop computer space, and have done for many years.

    --
    | Mark Kent -- mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk |
    | Cola faq: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/ |
    | Cola trolls: http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/ |
    | My (new) blog: http://www.thereisnomagic.org |

  5. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:

    > On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:04:35 -0500, Linonut wrote:
    >
    >> * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>
    >>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:45:16 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Steve Ballmer has deep pockets. Bill Gates has deep pockets. Many ex-Softies
    >>>> are millionaires. But they won't donate their assets and saving to Microsoft
    >>>> if it operated at a loss and buys its own stock.
    >>>
    >>> You seem to be competely lost about what a stock buyback is for.

    >>
    >> He never mentioned stock buyback in the previous post.

    >
    > Are you blind? "operated at a loss and BUYS ITS OWN STOCK".


    Why so sarcastic? So I missed the phrase. So sue me.

    >>> Why do you keep saying Microsoft is operating at a loss when they are not?

    >>
    >> Probably because they are not as market capitalized as they used to be.
    >> An odd form of loss, but an important loss nonetheless.

    >
    > Market capitalization is not operating loss.


    Indeed. And measles blebs aren't strictly measles either .

    --
    DOS is ugly and interferes with users' experience.
    -- Bill Gates

  6. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    * Peter Köhlmann peremptorily fired off this memo:

    > Hadron wrote:




    > You might show a Msg-ID where I claim such a thing
    >
    > After all, you might look the idiot liar you are if you are unable to


    Hitherto, that has not stopped Hadron in the least. In fact, he seems
    to relish the role of COLA idiot.

    --
    Nature that framed us of four elements, warring within our breasts for
    regiment, doth teach us all to have aspiring minds.
    -- Niccolo Machiavelli

  7. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    Linonut writes:

    > * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >
    >> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:04:35 -0500, Linonut wrote:
    >>
    >>> * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>>
    >>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:45:16 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Steve Ballmer has deep pockets. Bill Gates has deep pockets. Many ex-Softies
    >>>>> are millionaires. But they won't donate their assets and saving to Microsoft
    >>>>> if it operated at a loss and buys its own stock.
    >>>>
    >>>> You seem to be competely lost about what a stock buyback is for.
    >>>
    >>> He never mentioned stock buyback in the previous post.

    >>
    >> Are you blind? "operated at a loss and BUYS ITS OWN STOCK".

    >
    > Why so sarcastic? So I missed the phrase. So sue me.


    You said he "never mentioned" when he did. Yet again you were outright
    lying in order to shill your benefactors.

    >
    >>>> Why do you keep saying Microsoft is operating at a loss when they are not?
    >>>
    >>> Probably because they are not as market capitalized as they used to be.
    >>> An odd form of loss, but an important loss nonetheless.

    >>
    >> Market capitalization is not operating loss.

    >
    > Indeed. And measles blebs aren't strictly measles either .


    Liarnut, Liarnut, Liarnut. How many more times will you be caught out
    as you try to weasel out of it with your awful, awful little quips?

  8. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    Linonut writes:

    > * Peter Köhlmann peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >
    >> Hadron wrote:

    >
    >
    >
    >> You might show a Msg-ID where I claim such a thing
    >>
    >> After all, you might look the idiot liar you are if you are unable to

    >
    > Hitherto, that has not stopped Hadron in the least. In fact, he seems
    > to relish the role of COLA idiot.


    Since Liarnut never ventures outside of COLA, he would be unaware of
    Peter's faux pas in the non archived Ubuntu group where he claimed I was
    wrong when I advised people to keep their WPA key secure. He saw that as
    some sort of attack on Linux security. But being the group's shill and
    Roy's lapdog seems to be a role that Liarnut relishes. One can only
    assume that Roy rubs dog food into his lap in order to keep Liarnut
    close. It is noted that he even cosies up to a known idiot like Mark
    Kent who even Peter has marked down as being a complete fool.

  9. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:33:47 -0500, Linonut wrote:

    > * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >
    >> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:04:35 -0500, Linonut wrote:
    >>
    >>> * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>>
    >>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:45:16 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Steve Ballmer has deep pockets. Bill Gates has deep pockets. Many ex-Softies
    >>>>> are millionaires. But they won't donate their assets and saving to Microsoft
    >>>>> if it operated at a loss and buys its own stock.
    >>>>
    >>>> You seem to be competely lost about what a stock buyback is for.
    >>>
    >>> He never mentioned stock buyback in the previous post.

    >>
    >> Are you blind? "operated at a loss and BUYS ITS OWN STOCK".

    >
    > Why so sarcastic? So I missed the phrase. So sue me.


    Not sarcastic, just frustrated... I can't count the number of times people
    conveniently "miss" something and then accuse me of being dishonest about
    it.

    >>>> Why do you keep saying Microsoft is operating at a loss when they are not?
    >>>
    >>> Probably because they are not as market capitalized as they used to be.
    >>> An odd form of loss, but an important loss nonetheless.

    >>
    >> Market capitalization is not operating loss.

    >
    > Indeed. And measles blebs aren't strictly measles either .


    Market capitalization has nothing to do with operating costs, they are
    completely and totally different, not even close. Market capitalization is
    strictly the number of outstanding shares x current share price.

  10. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:44:02 +0100, Hadron wrote:

    > Linonut writes:
    >
    >> * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>
    >>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:04:35 -0500, Linonut wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:45:16 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Steve Ballmer has deep pockets. Bill Gates has deep pockets. Many ex-Softies
    >>>>>> are millionaires. But they won't donate their assets and saving to Microsoft
    >>>>>> if it operated at a loss and buys its own stock.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You seem to be competely lost about what a stock buyback is for.
    >>>>
    >>>> He never mentioned stock buyback in the previous post.
    >>>
    >>> Are you blind? "operated at a loss and BUYS ITS OWN STOCK".

    >>
    >> Why so sarcastic? So I missed the phrase. So sue me.

    >
    > You said he "never mentioned" when he did. Yet again you were outright
    > lying in order to shill your benefactors.


    Of course he was.
    Roy Schestowitz has taught him well.
    FWIW that's the same technique Schestowitz uses when caught and when he
    graces the group with a "correction" to one of his misleading posts.
    He doesn't correct himself often, most narcissists do not, but that's the
    technique he uses on those rare occasions.


    >>
    >>>>> Why do you keep saying Microsoft is operating at a loss when they are not?
    >>>>
    >>>> Probably because they are not as market capitalized as they used to be.
    >>>> An odd form of loss, but an important loss nonetheless.
    >>>
    >>> Market capitalization is not operating loss.

    >>
    >> Indeed. And measles blebs aren't strictly measles either .

    >
    > Liarnut, Liarnut, Liarnut. How many more times will you be caught out
    > as you try to weasel out of it with your awful, awful little quips?


    Amazing.
    He certainly needs some intense 'skooling' from Roy Schestowitz on how to
    lie with a straight face.

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  11. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:47:12 +0100, Hadron wrote:

    > Linonut writes:
    >
    >> * Peter Köhlmann peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>
    >>> Hadron wrote:

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> You might show a Msg-ID where I claim such a thing
    >>>
    >>> After all, you might look the idiot liar you are if you are unable to

    >>
    >> Hitherto, that has not stopped Hadron in the least. In fact, he seems
    >> to relish the role of COLA idiot.

    >
    > Since Liarnut never ventures outside of COLA, he would be unaware of
    > Peter's faux pas in the non archived Ubuntu group where he claimed I was
    > wrong when I advised people to keep their WPA key secure. He saw that as
    > some sort of attack on Linux security. But being the group's shill and
    > Roy's lapdog seems to be a role that Liarnut relishes. One can only
    > assume that Roy rubs dog food into his lap in order to keep Liarnut
    > close. It is noted that he even cosies up to a known idiot like Mark
    > Kent who even Peter has marked down as being a complete fool.


    This is a very common occurence.
    When a COLA zealot ventures outside of the COLA fold and tries to function,
    the Linux zealot typically falls flat on his face.

    Take Schestowitz for example.

    In COLA he spews continuosly about OOXML and he makes like he is some kind
    of expert on the subject.
    Yet, when Roy Schestowitz did a podcast on that very subject, he not only
    sounded like a retard but he got his ass handed to him by the others on the
    cast who were far more knowledgeable than Roy Schestowitz was/is.

    Here is Roy demonstrating how little he knows about OOXML:


    http://www.linux.com/feature/122470

    Same thing has happened to Peter Kohlmann in a variety of different groups.

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  12. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:

    > On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:33:47 -0500, Linonut wrote:
    > Market capitalization has nothing to do with operating costs, they are
    > completely and totally different, not even close. Market capitalization is
    > strictly the number of outstanding shares x current share price.


    Which is supposed to provide a pool of funds to do stuff with.

    --
    We're no longer in the days where everything is super well crafted. But at
    the heart of the programs that make it to the top, you'll find that the key
    internal code was done by a few people who really know what they were doing.
    -- Bill Gates

  13. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    Moshe Goldfarb writes:

    > On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:47:12 +0100, Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> Linonut writes:
    >>
    >>> * Peter Köhlmann peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>>
    >>>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> You might show a Msg-ID where I claim such a thing
    >>>>
    >>>> After all, you might look the idiot liar you are if you are unable to
    >>>
    >>> Hitherto, that has not stopped Hadron in the least. In fact, he seems
    >>> to relish the role of COLA idiot.

    >>
    >> Since Liarnut never ventures outside of COLA, he would be unaware of
    >> Peter's faux pas in the non archived Ubuntu group where he claimed I was
    >> wrong when I advised people to keep their WPA key secure. He saw that as
    >> some sort of attack on Linux security. But being the group's shill and
    >> Roy's lapdog seems to be a role that Liarnut relishes. One can only
    >> assume that Roy rubs dog food into his lap in order to keep Liarnut
    >> close. It is noted that he even cosies up to a known idiot like Mark
    >> Kent who even Peter has marked down as being a complete fool.

    >
    > This is a very common occurence.
    > When a COLA zealot ventures outside of the COLA fold and tries to function,
    > the Linux zealot typically falls flat on his face.
    >
    > Take Schestowitz for example.
    >
    > In COLA he spews continuosly about OOXML and he makes like he is some kind
    > of expert on the subject.
    > Yet, when Roy Schestowitz did a podcast on that very subject, he not only
    > sounded like a retard but he got his ass handed to him by the others on the
    > cast who were far more knowledgeable than Roy Schestowitz was/is.
    >
    > Here is Roy demonstrating how little he knows about OOXML:
    >
    >
    > http://www.linux.com/feature/122470
    >
    > Same thing has happened to Peter Kohlmann in a variety of different
    > groups.


    Crikey, I forgot about how bad he was in that. He really got drilled a
    new one. You could almost see the other posters rolling their eyes and
    making "cuckoo" noises behind his back. Why on earth did he agree to the
    podcast? He was up against REAL developers and Gnome-heads whereas he
    knows nothing about real development or Linux design. He came across as
    totally clueless. Embarrassing is not the word. I almost feel sorry for
    him.

  14. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:49:25 +0100, Hadron wrote:

    > Moshe Goldfarb writes:
    >
    >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:47:12 +0100, Hadron wrote:
    >>
    >>> Linonut writes:
    >>>
    >>>> * Peter Köhlmann peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Hadron wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> You might show a Msg-ID where I claim such a thing
    >>>>>
    >>>>> After all, you might look the idiot liar you are if you are unable to
    >>>>
    >>>> Hitherto, that has not stopped Hadron in the least. In fact, he seems
    >>>> to relish the role of COLA idiot.
    >>>
    >>> Since Liarnut never ventures outside of COLA, he would be unaware of
    >>> Peter's faux pas in the non archived Ubuntu group where he claimed I was
    >>> wrong when I advised people to keep their WPA key secure. He saw that as
    >>> some sort of attack on Linux security. But being the group's shill and
    >>> Roy's lapdog seems to be a role that Liarnut relishes. One can only
    >>> assume that Roy rubs dog food into his lap in order to keep Liarnut
    >>> close. It is noted that he even cosies up to a known idiot like Mark
    >>> Kent who even Peter has marked down as being a complete fool.

    >>
    >> This is a very common occurence.
    >> When a COLA zealot ventures outside of the COLA fold and tries to function,
    >> the Linux zealot typically falls flat on his face.
    >>
    >> Take Schestowitz for example.
    >>
    >> In COLA he spews continuosly about OOXML and he makes like he is some kind
    >> of expert on the subject.
    >> Yet, when Roy Schestowitz did a podcast on that very subject, he not only
    >> sounded like a retard but he got his ass handed to him by the others on the
    >> cast who were far more knowledgeable than Roy Schestowitz was/is.
    >>
    >> Here is Roy demonstrating how little he knows about OOXML:
    >>
    >>
    >> http://www.linux.com/feature/122470
    >>
    >> Same thing has happened to Peter Kohlmann in a variety of different
    >> groups.

    >
    > Crikey, I forgot about how bad he was in that. He really got drilled a
    > new one. You could almost see the other posters rolling their eyes and
    > making "cuckoo" noises behind his back. Why on earth did he agree to the
    > podcast? He was up against REAL developers and Gnome-heads whereas he
    > knows nothing about real development or Linux design. He came across as
    > totally clueless. Embarrassing is not the word. I almost feel sorry for
    > him.


    How true.
    Listen to that supercilious tone of voice he has.
    He is trying to sound intelligent by pausing and carefully choosing his
    words but he ends up sounding like a retard instead.

    It's like some pseudo intellectual trying to sound smart by using big
    words.

    It's no wonder Roy Schestowitz hides behind his computer.
    In real life he is a total bore.

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  15. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound forMicrosoft's Dying Empire

    On Feb 22, 11:20 am, The Ghost In The Machine
    wrote:
    > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, ness...@wigner.berkeley.edu
    >
    > wrote
    > on Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:05:16 -0800 (PST)
    > <02584918-9341-4abe-bb8d-be47664b4...@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>:
    >
    > >
    > > [Death of HD-DVD was predictable.] Here's why HD-DVD's end should not
    > > have been a surprise, what lessons can be learned from its death, and
    > > what its demise means for Microsoft.

    >
    > > [HD-DVD--Bluray format war, Microsoft vs Sony...]] In the new HD video
    > > market, Microsoft again wanted to push its Windows Media codecs while
    > > Sony wanted to establish its blue-violet laser technology.

    >
    > [massive snip for brevity]
    >
    > >http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/0...he-death-of-hd...

    >
    > I'm not sure about the "lethal" part. It's not like
    > they're dead yet, though I'll admit I wonder how long this
    > sort of nonsense can continue....


    > And Microsoft continues to be hugely profitable.


    I agree, but the profits come from Windows and Office, not consumer
    electronics, which is what the article was concerned with. I agree,
    too, that it remains to be seen how big a wound this (and these)
    defeats in consumer electronics space will be for Microsoft in the
    end. But an interesting point of the article was that the Microsoft
    way of business, ie using Windows' monopoly position to lock in
    markets, has failed in consumer electronics. And a number of
    commentaries on the Yahoo deal say that Microsoft is betting the farm
    on it, they're doing it because they know they can't go on forever
    like they have been (coasting on Windows and Office, which may be
    doing very well now but which also face credible threats).

  16. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    * nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu peremptorily fired off this memo:

    >> I'm not sure about the "lethal" part. It's not like
    >> they're dead yet, though I'll admit I wonder how long this
    >> sort of nonsense can continue....

    >
    >> And Microsoft continues to be hugely profitable.

    >
    > I agree, but the profits come from Windows and Office, not consumer
    > electronics, which is what the article was concerned with. I agree,
    > too, that it remains to be seen how big a wound this (and these)
    > defeats in consumer electronics space will be for Microsoft in the
    > end. But an interesting point of the article was that the Microsoft
    > way of business, ie using Windows' monopoly position to lock in
    > markets, has failed in consumer electronics. And a number of
    > commentaries on the Yahoo deal say that Microsoft is betting the farm
    > on it, they're doing it because they know they can't go on forever
    > like they have been (coasting on Windows and Office, which may be
    > doing very well now but which also face credible threats).


    I wonder who the next museum lecturer will be? (See the sig).

    --
    "Microsoft has had competitors in the past. It's a good thing we have
    museums to document this stuff."
    -- Bill Gates, in a talk at the Computer History Museum
    in Mountain View, Calif.

  17. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire


    "Linonut" wrote in message
    news:5Rgwj.107643$K27.75867@bignews6.bellsouth.net ...
    >* Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >
    >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:33:47 -0500, Linonut wrote:
    >> Market capitalization has nothing to do with operating costs, they are
    >> completely and totally different, not even close. Market capitalization
    >> is
    >> strictly the number of outstanding shares x current share price.

    >
    > Which is supposed to provide a pool of funds to do stuff with.


    Dude - You're a completely clueless idiot. Just shut your mouth now before
    you completely embarass yourself.

    Google is that way --------->

    At least try to use it and learn the basics about something before
    commenting. Otherwise you'll just continue to stick your foot in your mouth.

    I can't believe how clueless you retards are when it comes to *BASIC*
    financial knowledge. It's a wonder you're able to give back correct change
    to the customers at the drive through window. But don't let your ignorance
    stop you from talking about it as if you had a clue.




    > --
    > We're no longer in the days where everything is super well crafted. But at
    > the heart of the programs that make it to the top, you'll find that the
    > key
    > internal code was done by a few people who really know what they were
    > doing.
    > -- Bill Gates




    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


  18. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:

    > On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:18:00 -0500, Linonut wrote:
    >>
    >> Except, of course, when the company itself buys back its own stock.

    >
    > Still has nothing to do with operating costs. Stock buybacks are typically
    > to prevent dillution of the stock when they issue stock options to
    > employees.


    You lost me on what that means. Dilution?

    --
    The next generation of interesting software will be done on the Macintosh,
    not the IBM PC.
    -- Bill Gates, BusinessWeek, 26 November 1984

  19. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    Linonut writes:

    > * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >
    >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:18:00 -0500, Linonut wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Except, of course, when the company itself buys back its own stock.

    >>
    >> Still has nothing to do with operating costs. Stock buybacks are typically
    >> to prevent dillution of the stock when they issue stock options to
    >> employees.

    >
    > You lost me on what that means.


    Clearly. Get out now before you look even more stupid.

  20. Re: Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD: Another Lethal Wound for Microsoft's Dying Empire

    On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:25:49 -0500, Linonut wrote:

    > * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
    >
    >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:18:00 -0500, Linonut wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Except, of course, when the company itself buys back its own stock.

    >>
    >> Still has nothing to do with operating costs. Stock buybacks are typically
    >> to prevent dillution of the stock when they issue stock options to
    >> employees.

    >
    > You lost me on what that means. Dilution?


    You should thread slink now because you are looking very foolish at this
    point Liarnut.
    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

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