Re: Trolls and Censorship - Linux

[H]omer wrote:

> The following is my opinion only, this is not an official FAQ.
>
> . COLA is unmoderated, therefore it is not possible to censor it
>
> Claims of censorship in an unmoderated group are just puerile and
> blatantly false. There's only three situations where a poster may
> be censured (although not necessarily censored):
>
> 1. Those who post in violation of their USENET / Internet Service
> Provider's AUP or the COLA charter, may be subsequently LARTed
> by anyone who takes offence. LARTs may, or may not result in a
> successful remedy.
> 2. Those who break the law (e.g. by stalking, threats, revealing
> others' personal information) may face criminal prosecution.
> 3. Some spam may be subject to CANCEL messages sent automatically
> or manually by USENET administrators. Ordinary users typically
> do not have the facility to cancel /others'/ messages, beyond
> making an appeal to such administrators.
>
> With the exception of the above, no one in COLA has the power to
> censor another's messages. The best anyone can do to avoid seeing
> anything they find offensive, is to filter messages /they/ read.
> This does not affect /others'/ ability to read messages.
>
>
> . The Trolls' sabotage of COLA is like spam and should be ignored
>
> I personally advocate ignoring the Trolls. However, this is only
> my opinion. Nobody in COLA, or anywhere else, is forced to follow
> my recommendations.
>
> The Trolls' posts are not advocacy ... of Linux or anything else.
> They are designed to sabotage this group, for reasons that may or
> may not be connected with Microsoft's official propaganda against
> anything that threatens their monopoly. I suspect it is.
>
> Therefore any unqualified attack on Linux is very likely a Troll,
> and as such should be ignored. This includes personal attacks by
> Trolls on Linux advocates.
>
>
> . Moderation may be censorship, but merely ignoring Trolls is not
>
> If I ignore someone's unqualified rant or ad hominem attack, that
> does not magically revoke their ability to speak, and be heard by
> /others/, who may (perhaps ill-advisedly) choose to listen. Those
> with a reputation for such posts are rightly denounced as Trolls,
> and should be ignored.
>
>
> . Advocating ignoring the Trolls is not censorship, it's prudence
>
> Equally, by advising others to ignore Trolls I am not encouraging
> censorship. The Trolls may still speak, but few may listen. That
> is an individual choice and an individual right. No one should be
> forced to listen to others' propaganda, especially when it may be
> officially sponsored, to serve the purposes of one of the world's
> most reprehensible companies. I consider it my moral duty to give
> such advice, in the /hope/ that others may heed it.
>
>
> . By ignoring the Trolls it defeats their agenda and they give up
>
> This is only true if the Trolls are universally ignored. If there
> is even /one/ advocate imprudent enough to continue feeding these
> attackers then the attacks will continue. I advocate ignoring the
> Trolls in the /hope/ that it will eventually drive the Trolls out
> of COLA. At the very least it will subdue their attacks, and make
> COLA a more pleasant experience for everyone. Certainly it'll be
> a more pleasant experience for those who killfile the Trolls, and
> subsequently also for those who no longer have to see the replies
> made to those Trolls by other advocates.
>
>
> . By including Troll activity in metrics it justifies their cause
>
> It would be entirely inconsistent for me to advocate ignoring the
> Trolls on the one hand, but subsequently include the metrics from
> their attacks, in the COLA stats, on the other. Additionally, it
> would be self-defeating, since the lies and propaganda that I and
> others endeavour to ignore, would be repeated by me in the stats,
> essentially turning them into a Microsoft "evangelism" machine.
>
> In this unmoderated group, anyone is free to post; read or ignore
> any message they like, including a stats message, if that is what
> they want to do. As much as I'm sure there are those who want the
> stats to be littered with Microsoft propaganda, equally there are
> many who do /not/, myself included. For as long as there are such
> people, I will continue providing stats that reflect their needs.
>
>
> . Merely having an alternate viewpoint, does not make one a Troll
>
> To be clear, I do not regard posters to be Trolls based purely on
> their alternative views. If that were true then I'd probably have
> to declare every poster in COLA to be a Troll. For example, Peter
> Köhlmann and I have radically different views on GPLv3, but that
> doesn't make him a Troll. Equally, Jim Richardson has a radically
> opposing stance to my own, on social issues and the environment,
> but I do not regard him as a Troll either. Spike and Chrisv seem
> to intensely dislike my lack of pragmatism, and I'm frustrated by
> their lack of idealism, but that doesn't exactly make them Trolls
> either. I even recall a heated discussion between myself and Mark
> Kent (with whom I generally agree most of the time) regarding the
> corruption of the BBC, back when Microsoft's corrupting influence
> on the Beeb was still relatively unknown. Clearly, just having an
> alternative view does not make one a Troll.
>
> Being a Windows user is not sufficient to warrant denouncement as
> a Troll either. There are at /least/ three posters in COLA (Matt,
> jim@home and Tom Shelton) who are primarily Windows users but are
> not Trolls IMHO, since they exhibit very few of the usual traits.
> Their arguments are usually well balanced and they rarely descend
> into personal attacks. They may still have some reasons to favour
> Microsoft software, but it seems doubtful that they're shills, or
> have any kind of ulterior motives.
>
> This is in total contrast to certain other posters such as Lopez;
> Hadron; DFS; or the frenetic nymshifters flatty and Scott (Nudds)
> Douglas, whose typical "argument" is unqualified mud-slinging and
> personal insults. These people are unquestionably Trolls, and are
> amongst the most vile individuals I have ever had the displeasure
> of encountering. Not only should they be ignored, but they should
> be /institutionalised/ IMO.
>
> Then there are Trolls like Erik and his protégé Smith, who may at
> first glance may seem reasonable posters, but it rapidly becomes
> clear they are highly manipulative and deceitful. The only reason
> I tolerated reading their posts, was because they usually refrain
> from indulging in baseless arguments and personal attacks, but it
> is obvious they have an anti-Linux agenda and their arguments are
> Straw Men at best, and blatantly false at worst. They are not the
> archetypal mud-slingers that most Trolls are, and obviously don't
> suffer from the intellectual handicap endemic amongst most of our
> Trolls, but they are nonetheless malevolent individuals who would
> best be ignored.
>
>
> . COLA is supposed to harbour Trolls to keep other groups "clean"
>
> That is neither part of the charter, nor my expectation. It seems
> to have /become/ the de facto situation however, although if that
> is true then it doesn't seem to be working, since at least one NG
> that I'm aware of (Ubuntu) has become the victim of Troll attacks
> from Hadron (and possibly others). Then of course there are Troll
> attacks on social networking sites and Blogs, many perpetrated by
> exactly the same Trolls who attack COLA. Obviously COLA's role as
> a zoo for Microsoft's collection of dangerous animals is failing,
> if indeed that was ever supposed to be one of its purposes.
>
> The fact is that these Trolls do not belong in COLA. In fact they
> don't belong /anywhere/ other than a mental asylum or prison. And
> if you think that's an extremist opinion, then consider the legal
> ramifications of a Microsoft employee being exposed as a shill.
>
> These Trolls should not be tolerated - any more than the criminal
> organisation that (probably) employs them. Both Microsoft and its
> army of shills should be shut down. Permanently.
>
> Call that censorship? I call it justice.

Excellent post, [H]omer.

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On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:08:40 +0000, William Poaster wrote:

> [H]omer wrote:

>> Call that censorship? I call it justice.
>
> Excellent post, [H]omer.

Says one nut in the can to another.

He sounds like Boon in the Movie Animal House.

Boon was acting.
[Homer] is not.



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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
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http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

William Poaster writes:

> [H]omer wrote:
>
>> The following is my opinion only, this is not an official FAQ.
>>
>> . COLA is unmoderated, therefore it is not possible to censor it
>>
>> Claims of censorship in an unmoderated group are just puerile and
>> blatantly false. There's only three situations where a poster may
>> be censured (although not necessarily censored):
>>
>> 1. Those who post in violation of their USENET / Internet Service
>> Provider's AUP or the COLA charter, may be subsequently LARTed
>> by anyone who takes offence. LARTs may, or may not result in a
>> successful remedy.
>> 2. Those who break the law (e.g. by stalking, threats, revealing
>> others' personal information) may face criminal prosecution.
>> 3. Some spam may be subject to CANCEL messages sent automatically
>> or manually by USENET administrators. Ordinary users typically
>> do not have the facility to cancel /others'/ messages, beyond
>> making an appeal to such administrators.
>>
>> With the exception of the above, no one in COLA has the power to
>> censor another's messages. The best anyone can do to avoid seeing
>> anything they find offensive, is to filter messages /they/ read.
>> This does not affect /others'/ ability to read messages.
>>
>>
>> . The Trolls' sabotage of COLA is like spam and should be ignored
>>
>> I personally advocate ignoring the Trolls. However, this is only
>> my opinion. Nobody in COLA, or anywhere else, is forced to follow
>> my recommendations.
>>
>> The Trolls' posts are not advocacy ... of Linux or anything else.
>> They are designed to sabotage this group, for reasons that may or
>> may not be connected with Microsoft's official propaganda against
>> anything that threatens their monopoly. I suspect it is.
>>
>> Therefore any unqualified attack on Linux is very likely a Troll,
>> and as such should be ignored. This includes personal attacks by
>> Trolls on Linux advocates.
>>
>>
>> . Moderation may be censorship, but merely ignoring Trolls is not
>>
>> If I ignore someone's unqualified rant or ad hominem attack, that
>> does not magically revoke their ability to speak, and be heard by
>> /others/, who may (perhaps ill-advisedly) choose to listen. Those
>> with a reputation for such posts are rightly denounced as Trolls,
>> and should be ignored.
>>
>>
>> . Advocating ignoring the Trolls is not censorship, it's prudence
>>
>> Equally, by advising others to ignore Trolls I am not encouraging
>> censorship. The Trolls may still speak, but few may listen. That
>> is an individual choice and an individual right. No one should be
>> forced to listen to others' propaganda, especially when it may be
>> officially sponsored, to serve the purposes of one of the world's
>> most reprehensible companies. I consider it my moral duty to give
>> such advice, in the /hope/ that others may heed it.
>>
>>
>> . By ignoring the Trolls it defeats their agenda and they give up
>>
>> This is only true if the Trolls are universally ignored. If there
>> is even /one/ advocate imprudent enough to continue feeding these
>> attackers then the attacks will continue. I advocate ignoring the
>> Trolls in the /hope/ that it will eventually drive the Trolls out
>> of COLA. At the very least it will subdue their attacks, and make
>> COLA a more pleasant experience for everyone. Certainly it'll be
>> a more pleasant experience for those who killfile the Trolls, and
>> subsequently also for those who no longer have to see the replies
>> made to those Trolls by other advocates.
>>
>>
>> . By including Troll activity in metrics it justifies their cause
>>
>> It would be entirely inconsistent for me to advocate ignoring the
>> Trolls on the one hand, but subsequently include the metrics from
>> their attacks, in the COLA stats, on the other. Additionally, it
>> would be self-defeating, since the lies and propaganda that I and
>> others endeavour to ignore, would be repeated by me in the stats,
>> essentially turning them into a Microsoft "evangelism" machine.
>>
>> In this unmoderated group, anyone is free to post; read or ignore
>> any message they like, including a stats message, if that is what
>> they want to do. As much as I'm sure there are those who want the
>> stats to be littered with Microsoft propaganda, equally there are
>> many who do /not/, myself included. For as long as there are such
>> people, I will continue providing stats that reflect their needs.
>>
>>
>> . Merely having an alternate viewpoint, does not make one a Troll
>>
>> To be clear, I do not regard posters to be Trolls based purely on
>> their alternative views. If that were true then I'd probably have
>> to declare every poster in COLA to be a Troll. For example, Peter
>> Köhlmann and I have radically different views on GPLv3, but that
>> doesn't make him a Troll. Equally, Jim Richardson has a radically
>> opposing stance to my own, on social issues and the environment,
>> but I do not regard him as a Troll either. Spike and Chrisv seem
>> to intensely dislike my lack of pragmatism, and I'm frustrated by
>> their lack of idealism, but that doesn't exactly make them Trolls
>> either. I even recall a heated discussion between myself and Mark
>> Kent (with whom I generally agree most of the time) regarding the
>> corruption of the BBC, back when Microsoft's corrupting influence
>> on the Beeb was still relatively unknown. Clearly, just having an
>> alternative view does not make one a Troll.
>>
>> Being a Windows user is not sufficient to warrant denouncement as
>> a Troll either. There are at /least/ three posters in COLA (Matt,
>> jim@home and Tom Shelton) who are primarily Windows users but are
>> not Trolls IMHO, since they exhibit very few of the usual traits.
>> Their arguments are usually well balanced and they rarely descend
>> into personal attacks. They may still have some reasons to favour
>> Microsoft software, but it seems doubtful that they're shills, or
>> have any kind of ulterior motives.
>>
>> This is in total contrast to certain other posters such as Lopez;
>> Hadron; DFS; or the frenetic nymshifters flatty and Scott (Nudds)
>> Douglas, whose typical "argument" is unqualified mud-slinging and
>> personal insults. These people are unquestionably Trolls, and are
>> amongst the most vile individuals I have ever had the displeasure
>> of encountering. Not only should they be ignored, but they should
>> be /institutionalised/ IMO.
>>
>> Then there are Trolls like Erik and his protégé Smith, who may at
>> first glance may seem reasonable posters, but it rapidly becomes
>> clear they are highly manipulative and deceitful. The only reason
>> I tolerated reading their posts, was because they usually refrain
>> from indulging in baseless arguments and personal attacks, but it
>> is obvious they have an anti-Linux agenda and their arguments are
>> Straw Men at best, and blatantly false at worst. They are not the
>> archetypal mud-slingers that most Trolls are, and obviously don't
>> suffer from the intellectual handicap endemic amongst most of our
>> Trolls, but they are nonetheless malevolent individuals who would
>> best be ignored.
>>
>>
>> . COLA is supposed to harbour Trolls to keep other groups "clean"
>>
>> That is neither part of the charter, nor my expectation. It seems
>> to have /become/ the de facto situation however, although if that
>> is true then it doesn't seem to be working, since at least one NG
>> that I'm aware of (Ubuntu) has become the victim of Troll attacks
>> from Hadron (and possibly others). Then of course there are Troll
>> attacks on social networking sites and Blogs, many perpetrated by
>> exactly the same Trolls who attack COLA. Obviously COLA's role as
>> a zoo for Microsoft's collection of dangerous animals is failing,
>> if indeed that was ever supposed to be one of its purposes.
>>
>> The fact is that these Trolls do not belong in COLA. In fact they
>> don't belong /anywhere/ other than a mental asylum or prison. And
>> if you think that's an extremist opinion, then consider the legal
>> ramifications of a Microsoft employee being exposed as a shill.
>>
>> These Trolls should not be tolerated - any more than the criminal
>> organisation that (probably) employs them. Both Microsoft and its
>> army of shills should be shut down. Permanently.
>>
>> Call that censorship? I call it justice.
>
> Excellent post, [H]omer.

A new record for a useless "me too" from Willy Boaster?

Micoshaft Corporation Fraudster and asstroturfer Hadron wrote on behalf of
micoshaft corporation:


> A new record for a useless "me too" from Willy Boaster?


It seems micoshaft fraudulent asstroturfers are scraping
the bottom of the barrel in trying to put down Linux advocates and not
succeeding.

Linux is beginning to get bigger than micoshaft now?

Micoshaft Corporation Fraudster and asstroturfer Moshe Goldfarb wrote on
behalf of micoshaft corporation:

> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:08:40 +0000, William Poaster wrote:
>
>> [H]omer wrote:
>
>>> Call that censorship? I call it justice.
>>
>> Excellent post, [H]omer.
>
> Says one nut in the can to another.
>
> He sounds like Boon in the Movie Animal House.
>
> Boon was acting.
> [Homer] is not.


You think you are practicing Linux Advocacy by attacking
Linux advocates?

It seems micoshaft fraudulent asstroturfers are scraping
the bottom of the barrel in trying to put down Linux advocates and not
succeeding.

Linux is beginning to get bigger than micoshaft now?

7 wrote:

> You think you are practicing Linux Advocacy by attacking
> Linux advocates?

That's not relevant at all. What is relevant is this: why is
comp.os.linux.advocacy nothing more than an MS-bashing newsgroup for its
entire life?


> It seems micoshaft fraudulent asstroturfers are scraping the bottom of
> the barrel in trying to put down Linux advocates and not succeeding.

Linux "advocates" like you bring themselves and their purpose down with
their shrill anti-MS\Windows whining and invective. I think the low point
was reached last year when the Free Software Foundation actually created the
http://badvista.fsf.org/ website. What a complete and utter joke.


> Linux is beginning to get bigger than micoshaft now?

You've already claimed many times that "The open source movement in EU alone
is now bigger than Micoshaft Corporation!!!" Of course coming from you that
claim means nothing, as you can't and won't support it with anything
meaningful - just your near-retarded babbling.

"[H]omer" writes:

> Verily I say unto thee, that William Poaster spake thusly:
>> [H]omer wrote:
>
>>> Call that censorship? I call it justice.
>>
>> Excellent post, [H]omer.
>
> Watch out! The "MeToo" brigade are gonna git ya.
>
> Oops, too late.
>
> Oh well, thanks anyway

It must be awful to be "me too"ed by such a vapid, insignificant and
obviously retarded wannabe as Willy? I would sooner have Mark Kent shill
my posts.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:19:44 -0500, DFS wrote:

> 7 wrote:
>
>> You think you are practicing Linux Advocacy by attacking
>> Linux advocates?
>
> That's not relevant at all. What is relevant is this: why is
> comp.os.linux.advocacy nothing more than an MS-bashing newsgroup for its
> entire life?

Correct.

>
>> It seems micoshaft fraudulent asstroturfers are scraping the bottom of
>> the barrel in trying to put down Linux advocates and not succeeding.
>
> Linux "advocates" like you bring themselves and their purpose down with
> their shrill anti-MS\Windows whining and invective. I think the low point
> was reached last year when the Free Software Foundation actually created the
> http://badvista.fsf.org/ website. What a complete and utter joke.

Yes, that backfired on them pretty badly.

>
>> Linux is beginning to get bigger than micoshaft now?
>
> You've already claimed many times that "The open source movement in EU alone
> is now bigger than Micoshaft Corporation!!!" Of course coming from you that
> claim means nothing, as you can't and won't support it with anything
> meaningful - just your near-retarded babbling.

7 is obviously mentally retarded.
I guess Linux rotted his brain.



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____/ [H]omer on Monday 18 February 2008 00:51 : \____

> Verily I say unto thee, that William Poaster spake thusly:
>> [H]omer wrote:
>
>>> Call that censorship? I call it justice.
>>
>> Excellent post, [H]omer.
>
> Watch out! The "MeToo" brigade are gonna git ya.
>
> Oops, too late.
>
> Oh well, thanks anyway

[H]omer,

You should be pleased that the trolls flood this newsgroups. It means Microsoft
is losing. It also means you are on the right topic, which helpfully enough
they tell you (watch which/where a message gets flooded or bumped the most).

Think about Toshiba and HD DVD. When did they dump the most? When were checks
being written? That's right, when they were losing.

Keep up the clean stats. In the future, the cleaning up won't be necessary.

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Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> ____/ [H]omer on Monday 18 February 2008 00:51 : \____
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that William Poaster spake thusly:
>>> [H]omer wrote:
>>
>>>> Call that censorship? I call it justice.
>>>
>>> Excellent post, [H]omer.
>>
>> Watch out! The "MeToo" brigade are gonna git ya.
>>
>> Oops, too late.
>>
>> Oh well, thanks anyway
>
> [H]omer,
>
> You should be pleased that the trolls flood this newsgroups. It means
> Microsoft is losing. It also means you are on the right topic, which
> helpfully enough they tell you (watch which/where a message gets flooded
> or bumped the most).

Hmmm. I don't think it means that microsoft is losing. All I see is a bunch
of idiots with too much time on their hands.

--
Regards,

Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:26:37 +1100, Gregory Shearman wrote:

> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> ____/ [H]omer on Monday 18 February 2008 00:51 : \____
>>
>>> Verily I say unto thee, that William Poaster spake thusly:
>>>> [H]omer wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Call that censorship? I call it justice.
>>>>
>>>> Excellent post, [H]omer.
>>>
>>> Watch out! The "MeToo" brigade are gonna git ya.
>>>
>>> Oops, too late.
>>>
>>> Oh well, thanks anyway
>>
>> [H]omer,
>>
>> You should be pleased that the trolls flood this newsgroups. It means
>> Microsoft is losing. It also means you are on the right topic, which
>> helpfully enough they tell you (watch which/where a message gets flooded
>> or bumped the most).
>
> Hmmm. I don't think it means that microsoft is losing. All I see is a bunch
> of idiots with too much time on their hands.

That's for sure.
The COLA Nuts have got to get better fitting tinfoil hats.

--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Gregory Shearman wrote:

>Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>> You should be pleased that the trolls flood this newsgroups. It means
>> Microsoft is losing. It also means you are on the right topic, which
>> helpfully enough they tell you (watch which/where a message gets flooded
>> or bumped the most).
>
>Hmmm. I don't think it means that microsoft is losing. All I see is a bunch
>of idiots with too much time on their hands.

That's what I see, too. A bunch of mentally-stunted little assholes,
who have found a playground where they can lie and fling snot at their
betters.

* chrisv peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
>>Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>> You should be pleased that the trolls flood this newsgroups. It means
>>> Microsoft is losing. It also means you are on the right topic, which
>>> helpfully enough they tell you (watch which/where a message gets flooded
>>> or bumped the most).
>>
>>Hmmm. I don't think it means that microsoft is losing. All I see is a bunch
>>of idiots with too much time on their hands.
>
> That's what I see, too. A bunch of mentally-stunted little assholes,
> who have found a playground where they can lie and fling snot at their
> betters.

A nice assessment.

I think the real proof that Microsoft is "losing it" is in their actions
of the last couple of years.

Folks, we may be seeing the rebirth of competition in the
consumer/business desktop industry.

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-- Bill Gates

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:58:58 -0500, Linonut wrote:


> Folks, we may be seeing the rebirth of competition in the
> consumer/business desktop industry.

You've gone mad Linonut.


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____/ Linonut on Tuesday 19 February 2008 15:58 : \____

> * chrisv peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>>>Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You should be pleased that the trolls flood this newsgroups. It means
>>>> Microsoft is losing. It also means you are on the right topic, which
>>>> helpfully enough they tell you (watch which/where a message gets flooded
>>>> or bumped the most).
>>>
>>>Hmmm. I don't think it means that microsoft is losing. All I see is a bunch
>>>of idiots with too much time on their hands.
>>
>> That's what I see, too. A bunch of mentally-stunted little assholes,
>> who have found a playground where they can lie and fling snot at their
>> betters.
>
> A nice assessment.
>
> I think the real proof that Microsoft is "losing it" is in their actions
> of the last couple of years.
>
> Folks, we may be seeing the rebirth of competition in the
> consumer/business desktop industry.

It starts (already started actually) with other areas. The desktop is the last
thing Microsoft will lose, but it's becoming less relevant anyway (time goes
by, old technology becomes a dinosaur... think desktop -> mainframe).

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Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:58:58 -0500, Linonut wrote:
>
>
>> Folks, we may be seeing the rebirth of competition in the
>> consumer/business desktop industry.

Did IBM relaunch OS/2?



> You've gone mad Linonut.

He's being stroked on the back of the head by [H]omer. Good dog!

"DFS" writes:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:58:58 -0500, Linonut wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Folks, we may be seeing the rebirth of competition in the
>>> consumer/business desktop industry.
>
> Did IBM relaunch OS/2?
>
>
>
>> You've gone mad Linonut.
>
> He's being stroked on the back of the head by [H]omer. Good dog!


At least Homo doesn't have to reach far. Liarnut is nestled up in Roy's
lap where Colly used to settle.

Roy Schestowitz espoused:
> ____/ [H]omer on Monday 18 February 2008 00:51 : \____
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that William Poaster spake thusly:
>>> [H]omer wrote:
>>
>>>> Call that censorship? I call it justice.
>>>
>>> Excellent post, [H]omer.
>>
>> Watch out! The "MeToo" brigade are gonna git ya.
>>
>> Oops, too late.
>>
>> Oh well, thanks anyway
>
> [H]omer,
>
> You should be pleased that the trolls flood this newsgroups. It means Microsoft
> is losing. It also means you are on the right topic, which helpfully enough
> they tell you (watch which/where a message gets flooded or bumped the most).
>
> Think about Toshiba and HD DVD. When did they dump the most? When were checks
> being written? That's right, when they were losing.
>
> Keep up the clean stats. In the future, the cleaning up won't be necessary.
>

In due course, Microsoft will not longer be able to afford to pay for
its shilcosystem. I would imagine that the fringe shills will suffer
first, but the rot, as it did for Rome, will gradually work back to the
centre. I expect that the shills here will be some of the first to be
cut from the budget, which will free even more time to work on real
advocacy, although it could be argued that the need for same will fall
over time.

Homer's post was excellent, probably should be appended to the FAQ.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:42:09 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> "DFS" writes:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:58:58 -0500, Linonut wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Folks, we may be seeing the rebirth of competition in the
>>>> consumer/business desktop industry.
>>
>> Did IBM relaunch OS/2?
>>
>>
>>
>>> You've gone mad Linonut.
>>
>> He's being stroked on the back of the head by [H]omer. Good dog!
>
>
> At least Homo doesn't have to reach far. Liarnut is nestled up in Roy's
> lap where Colly used to settle.

Amazing isn't it?

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