Re: Trolls and Censorship - Linux

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:23:38 +0000, [H]omer wrote:

> The following is my opinion only, this is not an official FAQ.
>
> . COLA is unmoderated, therefore it is not possible to censor it
>
> Claims of censorship in an unmoderated group are just puerile and
> blatantly false. There's only three situations where a poster may
> be censured (although not necessarily censored):
>
> 1. Those who post in violation of their USENET / Internet Service
> Provider's AUP or the COLA charter, may be subsequently LARTed
> by anyone who takes offence. LARTs may, or may not result in a
> successful remedy.
> 2. Those who break the law (e.g. by stalking, threats, revealing
> others' personal information) may face criminal prosecution.
> 3. Some spam may be subject to CANCEL messages sent automatically
> or manually by USENET administrators. Ordinary users typically
> do not have the facility to cancel /others'/ messages, beyond
> making an appeal to such administrators.


By your own definition, Roy Schestowitz fits every single one of your
criteria.

1. Posting though Mark Kent's computer. A violation of his ISP's TOS. And
yes this has been verified.
2. Roy has made physical threats against people. He also seems to be
posting flatfish's real name.
3. SPAm? Schestowitz is the king of off topic SPAM and sorry but putting
[OT] in front of the message is a poor excuse.

So what are you going to do about Roy Schestowitz, [Homer] ?


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Micoshaft Asstroturfer and fraudster Moshe Goldfarb wrote on behalf of
Micoshfat Corporation:

> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:23:38 +0000, [H]omer wrote:
>
>> The following is my opinion only, this is not an official FAQ.
>>
>> . COLA is unmoderated, therefore it is not possible to censor it
>>
>> Claims of censorship in an unmoderated group are just puerile and
>> blatantly false. There's only three situations where a poster may
>> be censured (although not necessarily censored):
>>
>> 1. Those who post in violation of their USENET / Internet Service
>> Provider's AUP or the COLA charter, may be subsequently LARTed
>> by anyone who takes offence. LARTs may, or may not result in a
>> successful remedy.
>> 2. Those who break the law (e.g. by stalking, threats, revealing
>> others' personal information) may face criminal prosecution.
>> 3. Some spam may be subject to CANCEL messages sent automatically
>> or manually by USENET administrators. Ordinary users typically
>> do not have the facility to cancel /others'/ messages, beyond
>> making an appeal to such administrators.
>
>
> By your own definition, Roy Schestowitz fits every single one of your
> criteria.

You are spliffing and hallucinating again.

> 1. Posting though Mark Kent's computer. A violation of his ISP's TOS. And
> yes this has been verified.

Then you must be a liar as the Linux advocacy posts keep coming.


> 2. Roy has made physical threats against people. He also seems to be
> posting flatfish's real name.

I'd post flat skates real name and address if someone
from micoshaft emailed it to me.
The fewer fraudsters there are, the better it will be I'm sure you will
agree.


> 3. SPAm? Schestowitz is the king of off topic SPAM and sorry but putting
> [OT] in front of the message is a poor excuse.


Thats fraudulent lie as usual from a micoshaft funded asstroturfer
like you. Roy is posting advocacy and you are posting material
supplied to you by a corporation.


> So what are you going to do about Roy Schestowitz, [Homer] ?

[Homer] seems to have it all tied down to pointing the finger
at you as being the idiot that qualifies to be the micoshaft
funded asstroturer and supreme troll posting on behalf
of giant corporations anti-linux messages.

Any last words before you go and do the right thing?

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:56:09 GMT, 7 wrote:

> Micoshaft Asstroturfer and fraudster Moshe Goldfarb wrote on behalf of
> Micoshfat Corporation:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:23:38 +0000, [H]omer wrote:
>>
>>> The following is my opinion only, this is not an official FAQ.
>>>
>>> . COLA is unmoderated, therefore it is not possible to censor it
>>>
>>> Claims of censorship in an unmoderated group are just puerile and
>>> blatantly false. There's only three situations where a poster may
>>> be censured (although not necessarily censored):
>>>
>>> 1. Those who post in violation of their USENET / Internet Service
>>> Provider's AUP or the COLA charter, may be subsequently LARTed
>>> by anyone who takes offence. LARTs may, or may not result in a
>>> successful remedy.
>>> 2. Those who break the law (e.g. by stalking, threats, revealing
>>> others' personal information) may face criminal prosecution.
>>> 3. Some spam may be subject to CANCEL messages sent automatically
>>> or manually by USENET administrators. Ordinary users typically
>>> do not have the facility to cancel /others'/ messages, beyond
>>> making an appeal to such administrators.
>>
>>
>> By your own definition, Roy Schestowitz fits every single one of your
>> criteria.
>
> You are spliffing and hallucinating again.
>
>> 1. Posting though Mark Kent's computer. A violation of his ISP's TOS. And
>> yes this has been verified.
>
> Then you must be a liar as the Linux advocacy posts keep coming.
>
>
>> 2. Roy has made physical threats against people. He also seems to be
>> posting flatfish's real name.
>
> I'd post flat skates real name and address if someone
> from micoshaft emailed it to me.
> The fewer fraudsters there are, the better it will be I'm sure you will
> agree.
>
>
>> 3. SPAm? Schestowitz is the king of off topic SPAM and sorry but putting
>> [OT] in front of the message is a poor excuse.
>
>
> Thats fraudulent lie as usual from a micoshaft funded asstroturfer
> like you. Roy is posting advocacy and you are posting material
> supplied to you by a corporation.
>
>
>> So what are you going to do about Roy Schestowitz, [Homer] ?
>
> [Homer] seems to have it all tied down to pointing the finger
> at you as being the idiot that qualifies to be the micoshaft
> funded asstroturer and supreme troll posting on behalf
> of giant corporations anti-linux messages.
>
> Any last words before you go and do the right thing?

7, You are the poster child for why drugs rot your brain.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
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http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:36:25 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb
wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:23:38 +0000, [H]omer wrote:
>
>> The following is my opinion only, this is not an official FAQ.
>>
>> . COLA is unmoderated, therefore it is not possible to censor it
>>
>> Claims of censorship in an unmoderated group are just puerile and
>> blatantly false. There's only three situations where a poster may
>> be censured (although not necessarily censored):
>>
>> 1. Those who post in violation of their USENET / Internet Service
>> Provider's AUP or the COLA charter, may be subsequently LARTed
>> by anyone who takes offence. LARTs may, or may not result in a
>> successful remedy.
>> 2. Those who break the law (e.g. by stalking, threats, revealing
>> others' personal information) may face criminal prosecution.
>> 3. Some spam may be subject to CANCEL messages sent automatically
>> or manually by USENET administrators. Ordinary users typically
>> do not have the facility to cancel /others'/ messages, beyond
>> making an appeal to such administrators.
>
>
>By your own definition, Roy Schestowitz fits every single one of your
>criteria.
>
>1. Posting though Mark Kent's computer. A violation of his ISP's TOS. And
>yes this has been verified.
>2. Roy has made physical threats against people. He also seems to be
>posting flatfish's real name.
>3. SPAm? Schestowitz is the king of off topic SPAM and sorry but putting
>[OT] in front of the message is a poor excuse.
>
>So what are you going to do about Roy Schestowitz, [Homer] ?
I've never been threatened by Roy and I've never seen any "viagra"
posts. You might be exaggerating a bit.

John Locke wrote:

> I've never been threatened by Roy and I've never seen any "viagra"
> posts. You might be exaggerating a bit.

Not flatline---! Surely you jest!

--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:47:24 +0000, [H]omer wrote:

> Verily I say unto thee, that 7 spake thusly:
>> Micoshaft Asstroturfer and fraudster Moshe Goldfarb wrote on behalf
>> of Micoshfat Corporation:
>
>>> 1. Posting though Mark Kent's computer. A violation of his ISP's
>>> TOS. And yes this has been verified.
>
> I see nothing in the Demon TOS that prohibits Roy connecting to Mark's
> computer. What Mark does with any messages Roy leaves on that computer
> is his business. Are you going to pretend you don't know how leafnode
> works now, flatty?

It has nothing to do with leafnode.
Unless Roy is living in Mark's house hold, it's not allowed by any ISP I
have ever heard of.

>> Then you must be a liar as the Linux advocacy posts keep coming.
>>
>>> 2. Roy has made physical threats against people. He also seems to
>>> be posting flatfish's real name.
>
> IIRC he merely expressed the wish that someone would give you a black
> eye and cut off your testicles. He did not express his intent to execute
> that gruesome task himself.

Baloney.
Roy Schestowitz is obviously unstable.


> As for your identity, well you posted that yourself, "Polly":
>
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/com...fd54a99b2a9abb
>

Wrong again Sherlock.

Classic Linux nut advocacy.

When they get cornered with facts they discredit.

Not even a reasonable try.

>
> Read the many excellent articles he posts every day, of course ...
> just like you do.

I rarely read Roy Schestowitz's garbage.
Neither do most people in this group as evidenced by his total lack of
replies.

Funny thing, the same effect happens on digg as well.

There is a pattern here, somewhere.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
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http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:47:22 -0800, John Locke wrote:

> I've never been threatened by Roy and I've never seen any "viagra"
> posts. You might be exaggerating a bit.

1. It's been posted here several times, yesterday in fact I believe.

2. I doubt Roy Schestowitz has a use for Viagra, if you get my drift....



--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

[H]omer espoused:
> Verily I say unto thee, that 7 spake thusly:
>> Micoshaft Asstroturfer and fraudster Moshe Goldfarb wrote on behalf
>> of Micoshfat Corporation:
>
>>> 1. Posting though Mark Kent's computer. A violation of his ISP's
>>> TOS. And yes this has been verified.
>
> I see nothing in the Demon TOS that prohibits Roy connecting to Mark's
> computer. What Mark does with any messages Roy leaves on that computer
> is his business. Are you going to pretend you don't know how leafnode
> works now, flatty?

Firstly, I have more than one ISP, secondly, the Demon TOS offers fixed
IP addresses for the express purpose of hosting services. Demon are,
of course, one of my ISPs.

>
>> Then you must be a liar as the Linux advocacy posts keep coming.
>>
>>> 2. Roy has made physical threats against people. He also seems to
>>> be posting flatfish's real name.
>
> IIRC he merely expressed the wish that someone would give you a black
> eye and cut off your testicles. He did not express his intent to execute
> that gruesome task himself.
>
> As for your identity, well you posted that yourself, "Polly":
>
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/com...fd54a99b2a9abb
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ypa436

We've known for a very long time, but it was interesting to get some
really unarguable proof.

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>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:13:36 -0400, Ms. Polly Ester
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Here we see that two of the major scumbags on COLA are sharing one
>>> internet connection between them. Yet the terms-of-service (TOS)
>>> forbids this sort of thing.
>>>
>>> http://www.demon.net/helpdesk/producthelp/aup/thusfup/
>>>
>>> Why is it that both Mark Kent and Roy Schestowitz are posting from
>>> the same internet connection? Doesn't the lowly community college
>>> that Roy goes to have internet access yet? If so, why isn't he
>>> using that instead of breaking the law?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....9?dmode=source
>>>
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....8?dmode=source
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That's because they are both posting from demon.co.uk you pillock.
>
> No. It's because they are both posting from the same machine at
> ellandroad.co.uk
>
> The IP address for the news server (news.demon.co.uk) is:
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\Garys>tracert news.demon.co.uk
> ^^^^^
>
> Tracing route to news.news.demon.net [158.152.254.254]
>
>> Honestly, some of the trolls we get around here are really dumb.
>
> The lintards are even dumber.
>
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>>> So what are you going to do about Roy Schestowitz, [Homer] ?
>
> Read the many excellent articles he posts every day, of course ...
> just like you do.
>
>> [Homer] seems to have it all tied down to pointing the finger at you
>> as being the idiot that qualifies to be the micoshaft funded
>> asstroturer and supreme troll posting on behalf of giant corporations
>> anti-linux messages.
>
> That's the longest spelling of "flatfish" I've ever seen.
>



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