"chrisv" writes:

> "William Poaster" wrote
> news:hadm65-9s8.ln1@leafnode.archimedes.eu...
>> thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So who is paying you Roy Schestowitz, to post all of this libelous,
>>>> without proof, stuff concerning Novell, Microsoft and so forth?
>>>> It's obvious you have some sponsorship in this mission to discredit.
>>>
>>> OK, I admit it, its me... I am paying Roy to post in COLA.
>>
>> No, *I'm* paying Roy to post in COLA!
>>
>> Anyone else?
>
> It's 7 who's paying Roy to go on spamming! and M$ is paying me for
> every troll poast to cola, even the ones I'm not responsible for!
>

some idiot forging chrisv wrote:

>It's 7 who's paying Roy to go on

Ignore the forger.

Snit wrote:
[ gratuitious deletia ...]
>
>> Of course I am paying him in bogo-dollars, which due to their open source
>> nature can be legally replicated and copied as often as one likes, which makes
>> it difficult to define an exchange rate with other currencies.
>
> Hmmm, interesting idea...

Actually, considering the way the US dollar is dropping, I'm thinking
it is not much different than a bogo-dollar. :-/

> I have been trying to get people to talk about Linux's ease of use features,
> especially Ubuntu's. I have not had much successes... seems people do not
> really want to talk about Linux.

What the heck, I'll give it go.

First off, I like how Ubuntu organizes its menus, particularly the
organization of Applications into functional groups and the placement
of Add/Remove prominently in the list to make customization easier.
The arrangement of applications in the software repositories follows
the same model, so apps end up where you expect in the menu when you
install. I find this much more intuitive than the way Windows does
it.

Ubuntu comes with commonly used apps preinstalled, and puts icons for
the most widely used (Email, Firefox, and OpenOffice) up in the top
panel for easy launching.

If you click on content that you don't have a codec or app for,
Ubuntu will prompt if you would like to download and install the
appropriate software. This was a very nice enhancement that 7.10
brought to the table.

Administrative tasks are nicely arranged in the System menu. The
GUI tools for admin tasks work very well, are more intuitive than
earlier generations, and preserve correct use of the text
configuration files so remote admin over SSH is still possible.
I'm a command line hack from way back, but I've forced myself to use
just the GUI tools to better evaluate the current state of desktop
Linux, and I've yet to find any common admin task I cannot do with
an intuitive clicky app.

Since I know you are a Mac fan, and I use a Mac also, I'll try to
make some comparisons.

Generally, I like the default OSX interface, particularly the
Doc for launching apps. When I want to find an app that is not
already in the doc, however, it seems a bit less intuitive than
the Ubuntu Applications menu. Also, I've never been completely
comfortable with the default Mac behavior of always placing the
current in-focus application's menu at the top of the desktop
rather than on the app's main window. This can cause brief
confusion if I've accidently clicked on the desktop, causing
the finder menu to be active instead of my app. Of course I
realize that someone used to the Mac way of doing things
probably finds the other model equally annoying.

Of course what the Mac really has going for it is a great suite
of consumer applications with consistent UI design and cross app
integration. Apple did the right thing early on when they
published style guides for their app writers. Ubuntu has done a
great job collecting together and enhancing a good set of well
integrated apps. If you stick with apps flagged as 'works well
with Ubuntu' in the repositories, you will also have pretty
consistent experience. Of course the repositories are also full
of a lot of other cool software that is not so consistent. That
is where Linux starts to receive its 'rough around the edges'
reputation.

In summary, I like both OSX and Linux, but I definitely prefer
Linux. I don't hesitate to recommend a Mac to someone if they
are looking to do some major multi-media content creation and
need professional grade tools, but I always recommend people
give Ubuntu a try if they just need a rock solid Internet
surfing station or just need to do a bit of word processing.
It particularly makes sense if they already have an older
Windows box sitting around that they can re-task.

Cheers,

Thad
--
Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had
all the ingredients on the label.

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:38:52 -0600, thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> [ gratuitious deletia ...]
>>
>>> Of course I am paying him in bogo-dollars, which due to their open source
>>> nature can be legally replicated and copied as often as one likes, which makes
>>> it difficult to define an exchange rate with other currencies.
>>
>> Hmmm, interesting idea...
>
> Actually, considering the way the US dollar is dropping, I'm thinking
> it is not much different than a bogo-dollar. :-/

Not too far fetched a concept.

>> I have been trying to get people to talk about Linux's ease of use features,
>> especially Ubuntu's. I have not had much successes... seems people do not
>> really want to talk about Linux.
>
> What the heck, I'll give it go.
>
> First off, I like how Ubuntu organizes its menus, particularly the
> organization of Applications into functional groups and the placement
> of Add/Remove prominently in the list to make customization easier.
> The arrangement of applications in the software repositories follows
> the same model, so apps end up where you expect in the menu when you
> install. I find this much more intuitive than the way Windows does
> it.

I agree with this.
Much better than Suse which has things scattered all over the place.

> Ubuntu comes with commonly used apps preinstalled, and puts icons for
> the most widely used (Email, Firefox, and OpenOffice) up in the top
> panel for easy launching.

Agree again.

> If you click on content that you don't have a codec or app for,
> Ubuntu will prompt if you would like to download and install the
> appropriate software. This was a very nice enhancement that 7.10
> brought to the table.

I didn't notice this but I will take your word for it.
Good feature.

> Administrative tasks are nicely arranged in the System menu. The
> GUI tools for admin tasks work very well, are more intuitive than
> earlier generations, and preserve correct use of the text
> configuration files so remote admin over SSH is still possible.
> I'm a command line hack from way back, but I've forced myself to use
> just the GUI tools to better evaluate the current state of desktop
> Linux, and I've yet to find any common admin task I cannot do with
> an intuitive clicky app.

This is more important than many Linux users will admit.
Yes SSH, samba,wine etc is great but when the built in firewall, or
configuration is not set up to deal with it and it tanks, the user,
especially a new user, gets pissed off.

Windows is not immune from this either BTW as online gamers will tell you.
But it's easier under Windows because the instructions are simple and you
don't have to wade through instructions for many. many different versions
like you do with Linux (distributions).

snip---I don't use OSX.

> In summary, I like both OSX and Linux, but I definitely prefer
> Linux. I don't hesitate to recommend a Mac to someone if they
> are looking to do some major multi-media content creation and
> need professional grade tools, but I always recommend people
> give Ubuntu a try if they just need a rock solid Internet
> surfing station or just need to do a bit of word processing.
> It particularly makes sense if they already have an older
> Windows box sitting around that they can re-task.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Thad

I am suggesting to most noobs I deal with that are interested in multimedia
that it would be wise to check out the Mac platform because Vista is
certainly having sever growing pains in that area.

"thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com" stated
in post sj9n65-1fv.ln1@tux.glaci.com on 1/24/08 1:38 PM:

> Snit wrote:
> [ gratuitious deletia ...]
>>
>>> Of course I am paying him in bogo-dollars, which due to their open source
>>> nature can be legally replicated and copied as often as one likes, which
>>> makes
>>> it difficult to define an exchange rate with other currencies.
>>
>> Hmmm, interesting idea...
>
> Actually, considering the way the US dollar is dropping, I'm thinking
> it is not much different than a bogo-dollar. :-/

How much bogo-debt is there?

>> I have been trying to get people to talk about Linux's ease of use features,
>> especially Ubuntu's. I have not had much successes... seems people do not
>> really want to talk about Linux.
>
> What the heck, I'll give it go.

Thank you. Sincerely appreciate it.

> First off, I like how Ubuntu organizes its menus, particularly the
> organization of Applications into functional groups and the placement
> of Add/Remove prominently in the list to make customization easier.
> The arrangement of applications in the software repositories follows
> the same model, so apps end up where you expect in the menu when you
> install. I find this much more intuitive than the way Windows does
> it.

Agreed - and with OS X your apps get "plopped" into an applications folder
with no alias/shortcut made (in most cases). Not as big of a deal as it
might be in other OSs, considering the dock and that most apps in OS X are
represented by a single icon that contains the executable plus all requited
"supporting" files, but it is still a pain for many users - especially in
the group I have been looking at. Still, I would say Ubuntu handles this in
a way that is different than either OS X or Windows and it has its benefits.

The downside of the Ubuntu way is that not all apps get put into the menu by
default... you can have many apps on your machine and not know it unless you
do more digging than the general user is likely to do.

> Ubuntu comes with commonly used apps preinstalled, and puts icons for
> the most widely used (Email, Firefox, and OpenOffice) up in the top
> panel for easy launching.

Yes... and that is pretty cool. Also shows its focus... other OSs seem to
have a somewhat broader focus.

> If you click on content that you don't have a codec or app for,
> Ubuntu will prompt if you would like to download and install the
> appropriate software. This was a very nice enhancement that 7.10
> brought to the table.

I did not know about that one... that is cool... and a good example of ease
of use.

> Administrative tasks are nicely arranged in the System menu. The
> GUI tools for admin tasks work very well, are more intuitive than
> earlier generations, and preserve correct use of the text
> configuration files so remote admin over SSH is still possible.
> I'm a command line hack from way back, but I've forced myself to use
> just the GUI tools to better evaluate the current state of desktop
> Linux, and I've yet to find any common admin task I cannot do with
> an intuitive clicky app.

I wonder how a non-techie would do...

> Since I know you are a Mac fan, and I use a Mac also, I'll try to
> make some comparisons.

Thank you.

> Generally, I like the default OSX interface, particularly the
> Doc for launching apps. When I want to find an app that is not
> already in the doc, however, it seems a bit less intuitive than
> the Ubuntu Applications menu.

Agreed - though Go > Applications is pretty easy there are often so many in
the folder that it can be a challenge... and the average user would get
overwhelmed. This is made worse if the names or the icons are not
descriptive. Also, on the topic of the dock, icons can be removed too
easily - by accident even.

> Also, I've never been completely comfortable with the default Mac behavior of
> always placing the current in-focus application's menu at the top of the
> desktop rather than on the app's main window. This can cause brief confusion
> if I've accidently clicked on the desktop, causing the finder menu to be
> active instead of my app. Of course I realize that someone used to the Mac
> way of doing things probably finds the other model equally annoying.

For new users the problem is that they get confused as to what app they are
in. In the past the trade off was that the Mac menu could be used more
quickly with its effective infinite height... studies have shown this. I am
not sure, though, that as resolutions grow and, especially, as dual (and
more) monitors become more common that the advantages outweigh the distance
to the menu. Oh, and another benefit is even for small windows the menu
need not wrap - and you can have a menu without a window at all. Still, the
advantages are likely not weighted in favor of the Mac way as strongly as
they once were.

> Of course what the Mac really has going for it is a great suite
> of consumer applications with consistent UI design and cross app
> integration. Apple did the right thing early on when they
> published style guides for their app writers. Ubuntu has done a
> great job collecting together and enhancing a good set of well
> integrated apps. If you stick with apps flagged as 'works well
> with Ubuntu' in the repositories, you will also have pretty
> consistent experience. Of course the repositories are also full
> of a lot of other cool software that is not so consistent. That
> is where Linux starts to receive its 'rough around the edges'
> reputation.

From memory there is plenty of software that is KDE based that is shown as
working well with Ubuntu. I will have to double check that. If not then my
comments (elsewhere) about this weakness are at least somewhat mitigated.
Still, when folks like Rick claim to be knowledgeable about Linux and
suggest that new / non-techie users get Amarok for Ubuntu it shows there is
confusion even in the more advanced users.

> In summary, I like both OSX and Linux, but I definitely prefer Linux. I don't
> hesitate to recommend a Mac to someone if they are looking to do some major
> multi-media content creation and need professional grade tools, but I always
> recommend people give Ubuntu a try if they just need a rock solid Internet
> surfing station or just need to do a bit of word processing. It particularly
> makes sense if they already have an older Windows box sitting around that they
> can re-task.

Thank you - best post on Ubuntu ease of use I have seen and I appreciate it.

I think one difference between the two, at least for the users I have been
focusing on, is that Ubuntu's focus is on the things you list: word
processing and web/email. OS X is, if anything, a bit less focused on word
processing but also is focused on web and email... and also on multimedia
with iLife and the like. For the novice / non-techie OS X likely offers
more (in general) but for the more advanced user the Linux environment
offers a *lot* for a very low price (generally free, not including
hardware).

Again, thank you. I really appreciate seeing at least one person in COLA
can actually advocate Linux when asked to.

--
"Uh... ask me after we ship the next version of Windows [laughs] then I'll
be more open to give you a blunt answer." - Bill Gates

"Moshe Goldfarb" stated in post
3o4v6tdgoiaa$.hf3366nfsgrk.dlg@40tude.net on 1/24/08 2:03 PM:

> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:38:52 -0600, thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>> [ gratuitious deletia ...]
>>>
>>>> Of course I am paying him in bogo-dollars, which due to their open source
>>>> nature can be legally replicated and copied as often as one likes, which
>>>> makes
>>>> it difficult to define an exchange rate with other currencies.
>>>
>>> Hmmm, interesting idea...
>>
>> Actually, considering the way the US dollar is dropping, I'm thinking
>> it is not much different than a bogo-dollar. :-/
>
> Not too far fetched a concept.
>
>>> I have been trying to get people to talk about Linux's ease of use features,
>>> especially Ubuntu's. I have not had much successes... seems people do not
>>> really want to talk about Linux.
>>
>> What the heck, I'll give it go.
>>
>> First off, I like how Ubuntu organizes its menus, particularly the
>> organization of Applications into functional groups and the placement
>> of Add/Remove prominently in the list to make customization easier.
>> The arrangement of applications in the software repositories follows
>> the same model, so apps end up where you expect in the menu when you
>> install. I find this much more intuitive than the way Windows does
>> it.
>
> I agree with this.
> Much better than Suse which has things scattered all over the place.
>
>> Ubuntu comes with commonly used apps preinstalled, and puts icons for
>> the most widely used (Email, Firefox, and OpenOffice) up in the top
>> panel for easy launching.
>
> Agree again.
>
>> If you click on content that you don't have a codec or app for,
>> Ubuntu will prompt if you would like to download and install the
>> appropriate software. This was a very nice enhancement that 7.10
>> brought to the table.
>
> I didn't notice this but I will take your word for it.
> Good feature.
>
>> Administrative tasks are nicely arranged in the System menu. The
>> GUI tools for admin tasks work very well, are more intuitive than
>> earlier generations, and preserve correct use of the text
>> configuration files so remote admin over SSH is still possible.
>> I'm a command line hack from way back, but I've forced myself to use
>> just the GUI tools to better evaluate the current state of desktop
>> Linux, and I've yet to find any common admin task I cannot do with
>> an intuitive clicky app.
>
> This is more important than many Linux users will admit.
> Yes SSH, samba,wine etc is great but when the built in firewall, or
> configuration is not set up to deal with it and it tanks, the user,
> especially a new user, gets pissed off.
>
> Windows is not immune from this either BTW as online gamers will tell you.
> But it's easier under Windows because the instructions are simple and you
> don't have to wade through instructions for many. many different versions
> like you do with Linux (distributions).
>
> snip---I don't use OSX.

OS X is the king at making things types of things easy... but they sometimes
leave off settings that they likely should at least have in an advanced tab.

>> In summary, I like both OSX and Linux, but I definitely prefer
>> Linux. I don't hesitate to recommend a Mac to someone if they
>> are looking to do some major multi-media content creation and
>> need professional grade tools, but I always recommend people
>> give Ubuntu a try if they just need a rock solid Internet
>> surfing station or just need to do a bit of word processing.
>> It particularly makes sense if they already have an older
>> Windows box sitting around that they can re-task.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Thad
>
> I am suggesting to most noobs I deal with that are interested in multimedia
> that it would be wise to check out the Mac platform because Vista is
> certainly having sever growing pains in that area.

Agreed... and even for "noobs" that do not have such an interest they often
end up wanting to work with a digital camera or even video and then share
those things in movies with music and the like... and burn DVDs or post to
the web.

--
"If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."
- Anatole France

>**** wrote:
>>
>> I have been trying to get people to talk about Linux's ease of use features,
>> especially Ubuntu's. I have not had much successes... seems people do not
>> really want to talk about Linux.

You mean "seems people do not really want to talk about Linux with
****head trolls", right, ****?

Everyone would be well-advised to plonk you, as I have.

Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
> I am suggesting to most noobs I deal with that are interested in multimedia
> that it would be wise to check out the Mac platform because Vista is
> certainly having sever growing pains in that area.

Yes, I would love to be able to recommend Linux as a video editing
system, but it honestly is not quite there yet. Ubuntu Studio
shows great potential, but a few of the apps (like Cinelerra) still
need some rough edges nocked off before they are ready for the
average user. Still, as with mast things Linux, the pace of
improvement is impressive.

Hey, thats two posts I've seen from you now that lean more toward
advocacy than trollishness... did someone hijack your nym?

Thad
--
Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had
all the ingredients on the label.

thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:

> Snit wrote:
>
>> I have been trying to get people to talk about Linux's ease of use
>> features, especially Ubuntu's. I have not had much successes... seems
>> people do not really want to talk about Linux.
>

Oh, people want to talk about it allright.
But not with dishonest swine like Michael Glasser (Snot)

The main reason naturally being that he doesn't want to "discuss". He wants
to troll and to antagonize people

The other reason: Snot knows absolutely nothing about linux and is therefore
the least qualified person on earth to "discuss" about it
--
Try to be the best of whatever you are, even if what you are is
no good.

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:45:30 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:

> thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>
>>> I have been trying to get people to talk about Linux's ease of use
>>> features, especially Ubuntu's. I have not had much successes... seems
>>> people do not really want to talk about Linux.
>>
>
> Oh, people want to talk about it allright.
> But not with dishonest swine like Michael Glasser (Snot)
>
> The main reason naturally being that he doesn't want to "discuss". He wants
> to troll and to antagonize people
>
> The other reason: Snot knows absolutely nothing about linux and is therefore
> the least qualified person on earth to "discuss" about it

Your description sounds more like Roy Schestowitz or Mark Kent.
Especially the last paragraph.

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:45:07 -0600, thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>> I am suggesting to most noobs I deal with that are interested in multimedia
>> that it would be wise to check out the Mac platform because Vista is
>> certainly having sever growing pains in that area.
>
> Yes, I would love to be able to recommend Linux as a video editing
> system, but it honestly is not quite there yet. Ubuntu Studio
> shows great potential, but a few of the apps (like Cinelerra) still
> need some rough edges nocked off before they are ready for the
> average user. Still, as with mast things Linux, the pace of
> improvement is impressive.
>
> Hey, thats two posts I've seen from you now that lean more toward
> advocacy than trollishness... did someone hijack your nym?
>
> Thad

Nope.
People who are REAL Linux advocates, not paid shills, get reasonable dialog
from me.

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> * William Poaster peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So who is paying you Roy Schestowitz, to post all of this libelous,
>>>> without proof, stuff concerning Novell, Microsoft and so forth?
>>>> It's obvious you have some sponsorship in this mission to discredit.
>>>
>>> OK, I admit it, its me... I am paying Roy to post in COLA.
>>
>> No, *I'm* paying Roy to post in COLA!
>>
>> Anyone else?
>
> I gave Roy a Vista laptop for posting in COLA.
>


you hate him that much?

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It is recommended that you keep your head attached to your spine at all times.

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:33:20 -0800, Jim Richardson wrote:

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>
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:01:23 -0500,
> Linonut wrote:
>> * William Poaster peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>
>>> thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So who is paying you Roy Schestowitz, to post all of this libelous,
>>>>> without proof, stuff concerning Novell, Microsoft and so forth?
>>>>> It's obvious you have some sponsorship in this mission to discredit.
>>>>
>>>> OK, I admit it, its me... I am paying Roy to post in COLA.
>>>
>>> No, *I'm* paying Roy to post in COLA!
>>>
>>> Anyone else?
>>
>> I gave Roy a Vista laptop for posting in COLA.
>>
>
>
> you hate him that much?

Good one!

On 2008-01-24, William Poaster claimed:
> thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>
>>> So who is paying you Roy Schestowitz, to post all of this libelous,
>>> without proof, stuff concerning Novell, Microsoft and so forth?
>>> It's obvious you have some sponsorship in this mission to discredit.
>>
>> OK, I admit it, its me... I am paying Roy to post in COLA.
>
> No, *I'm* paying Roy to post in COLA!
>
> Anyone else?

*YOU* are?? I thought /I/ had an exclusive agreement that he would
_only_ do /my/ bidding!

--
A girlfriend may be a free trial, but you get a life sentence.

On 2008-01-24, Linonut claimed:
> * William Poaster peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So who is paying you Roy Schestowitz, to post all of this libelous,
>>>> without proof, stuff concerning Novell, Microsoft and so forth?
>>>> It's obvious you have some sponsorship in this mission to discredit.
>>>
>>> OK, I admit it, its me... I am paying Roy to post in COLA.
>>
>> No, *I'm* paying Roy to post in COLA!
>>
>> Anyone else?
>
> I gave Roy a Vista laptop for posting in COLA.

Yeah!? Well, I took the Vista laptop _away_ from Roy if he'd keep
posting in COLA.

--
Medical science *still* cannot cure stupidity.

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:24:10 -0600, Sinister Midget wrote:

> On 2008-01-24, Linonut claimed:
>> * William Poaster peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>
>>> thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So who is paying you Roy Schestowitz, to post all of this libelous,
>>>>> without proof, stuff concerning Novell, Microsoft and so forth?
>>>>> It's obvious you have some sponsorship in this mission to discredit.
>>>>
>>>> OK, I admit it, its me... I am paying Roy to post in COLA.
>>>
>>> No, *I'm* paying Roy to post in COLA!
>>>
>>> Anyone else?
>>
>> I gave Roy a Vista laptop for posting in COLA.
>
> Yeah!? Well, I took the Vista laptop _away_ from Roy if he'd keep
> posting in COLA.

And I gave him a Thinkpad running Linux if he would continue posting in
COLA.

Why?

Think about it.

"Moshe Goldfarb" stated in post
bxf04fr3u3by.dmtqek7c3h3j$.dlg@40tude.net on 1/24/08 2:49 PM:

> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:45:30 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>> thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>>
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been trying to get people to talk about Linux's ease of use
>>>> features, especially Ubuntu's. I have not had much successes... seems
>>>> people do not really want to talk about Linux.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, people want to talk about it allright.
>> But not with dishonest swine like Michael Glasser (Snot)
>>
>> The main reason naturally being that he doesn't want to "discuss". He wants
>> to troll and to antagonize people
>>
>> The other reason: Snot knows absolutely nothing about linux and is therefore
>> the least qualified person on earth to "discuss" about it
>
> Your description sounds more like Roy Schestowitz or Mark Kent.
> Especially the last paragraph.

The funny thing is Thad gave a very good response... from my response back
to him:

Thank you - best post on Ubuntu ease of use I have seen and
I appreciate it.

He was insightful, educational, polite, and - gasp! - actually advocated
Linux... in other words he is a better man than Peter. Oh well.


--
Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly
slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond
imagination. --Albert Einstein

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:34:23 -0700, Snit wrote:

> "Moshe Goldfarb" stated in post
> bxf04fr3u3by.dmtqek7c3h3j$.dlg@40tude.net on 1/24/08 2:49 PM:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:45:30 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>>> thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been trying to get people to talk about Linux's ease of use
>>>>> features, especially Ubuntu's. I have not had much successes... seems
>>>>> people do not really want to talk about Linux.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, people want to talk about it allright.
>>> But not with dishonest swine like Michael Glasser (Snot)
>>>
>>> The main reason naturally being that he doesn't want to "discuss". He wants
>>> to troll and to antagonize people
>>>
>>> The other reason: Snot knows absolutely nothing about linux and is therefore
>>> the least qualified person on earth to "discuss" about it
>>
>> Your description sounds more like Roy Schestowitz or Mark Kent.
>> Especially the last paragraph.
>
> The funny thing is Thad gave a very good response... from my response back
> to him:
>
> Thank you - best post on Ubuntu ease of use I have seen and
> I appreciate it.
>
> He was insightful, educational, polite, and - gasp! - actually advocated
> Linux... in other words he is a better man than Peter. Oh well.

Thad seems to be a sincere Linux advocate with insight and opinions that
maybe I don't agree with totally, but they are expressed in a polite
manner.

The rest of the tripe in this group could learn from him.

FWIW Linonut used to be like that but he has become Roy's shill as of late.

"Moshe Goldfarb" stated in post
45d3o481t80x.1j0y1107kaxl8.dlg@40tude.net on 1/24/08 6:39 PM:

> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:34:23 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb" stated in post
>> bxf04fr3u3by.dmtqek7c3h3j$.dlg@40tude.net on 1/24/08 2:49 PM:
>>
>>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:45:30 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> thad05@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been trying to get people to talk about Linux's ease of use
>>>>>> features, especially Ubuntu's. I have not had much successes... seems
>>>>>> people do not really want to talk about Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, people want to talk about it allright.
>>>> But not with dishonest swine like Michael Glasser (Snot)
>>>>
>>>> The main reason naturally being that he doesn't want to "discuss". He wants
>>>> to troll and to antagonize people
>>>>
>>>> The other reason: Snot knows absolutely nothing about linux and is
>>>> therefore
>>>> the least qualified person on earth to "discuss" about it
>>>
>>> Your description sounds more like Roy Schestowitz or Mark Kent.
>>> Especially the last paragraph.
>>
>> The funny thing is Thad gave a very good response... from my response back
>> to him:
>>
>> Thank you - best post on Ubuntu ease of use I have seen and
>> I appreciate it.
>>
>> He was insightful, educational, polite, and - gasp! - actually advocated
>> Linux... in other words he is a better man than Peter. Oh well.
>
> Thad seems to be a sincere Linux advocate with insight and opinions that
> maybe I don't agree with totally, but they are expressed in a polite
> manner.
>
> The rest of the tripe in this group could learn from him.

It would be great if they did but it has not been shown that they "could".


> FWIW Linonut used to be like that but he has become Roy's shill as of late.

I do not get why one person becomes another's shill... but I have seen that
in CSMA as well... people who on their own might be somewhat reasonable
become shills for known liars and trolls... even trying to defend their ever
changing and growing lies - while completely unable to even keep track of
the same. It is baffling... one of the "charms" of Usenet.

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