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  1. [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    BBC Director General grilled by MPs on iPlayer

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | During the meeting there is discussion of iPlayer’s total cost to the licence
    | fee-payer - the BBC representatives are unable to give a figure, but start
    | the bidding at £20m, excluding staff costs. Thomson gives incorrect
    | information - that Mac and Linux versions of iPlayer have the same
    | functionality as Windows versions - and has to change his evidence at the
    | end. Perhaps it was this confusion that prompted Dr John Pugh MP to follow up
    | the encounter with a letter direct to Mark Thomson today discussing platform
    | neutrality in greater detail. A copy of this letter has been passed to the
    | Open Rights Group.
    `----

    http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2008/...ps-on-iplayer/

    What took them so long? The 'smoking guns' have been out there for ages.


    Related:

    BBC Corrupted

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | Today the BBC made it official -- they have been corrupted by Microsoft. With
    | today's launch of the iPlayer, the BBC Trust has failed in its most basic of
    | duties and handed over to Microsoft sole control of the on-line distribution
    | of BBC programming. From today, you will need to own a Microsoft operating
    | system to view BBC programming on the web. This is akin to saying you must
    | own a Sony TV set to watch BBC TV. And you must accept the Digital *
    | Restrictions Management (DRM) that the iPlayer imposes. You simply cannot be
    | allowed to be in control of your computer according to the BBC. * * *
    `----

    http://defectivebydesign.org/blog/BBCcorrupted


    BBC iPlayer Protests

    ,----[ Quote ]
    | Who are the people responsible for creating this mess?
    |
    | * * * Mark Thompson, BBC director general (DG)
    | * * * Erik Huggers, group controller at BBC Future Media & Technology
    | * * * Ashley Highfield, director of new media and technology
    |
    | Right now, there is very considerable concern within the BBC that the actions
    | of the Director General and his team are sending the corporation in the wrong
    | direction. The BBC has been embroiled in a number of recent controversies,
    | all linked back to the DG's leadership. *
    `----

    http://www.defectivebydesign.org/iPlayerProtest

  2. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    Roy Schestowitz espoused:
    > BBC Director General grilled by MPs on iPlayer
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    >| During the meeting there is discussion of iPlayer?s total cost to the licence
    >| fee-payer - the BBC representatives are unable to give a figure, but start
    >| the bidding at 20m, excluding staff costs. Thomson gives incorrect
    >| information - that Mac and Linux versions of iPlayer have the same
    >| functionality as Windows versions - and has to change his evidence at the
    >| end. Perhaps it was this confusion that prompted Dr John Pugh MP to follow up
    >| the encounter with a letter direct to Mark Thomson today discussing platform
    >| neutrality in greater detail. A copy of this letter has been passed to the
    >| Open Rights Group.
    > `----
    >
    > http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2008/...ps-on-iplayer/
    >
    > What took them so long? The 'smoking guns' have been out there for ages.
    >


    We know. The £20 million was actually "more than £20 million". Well,
    £21 million is more, but so is £100 million, or £1,000 million.

    The worst bit was the DG actually lying about the capabilities of the
    Silverlight/iPlayer to an MP.

    Cue Kier to deny everything, or perhaps not, now that the DG is
    beginning to admit it.

    >
    > Related:
    >
    > BBC Corrupted
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    >| Today the BBC made it official -- they have been corrupted by Microsoft. With
    >| today's launch of the iPlayer, the BBC Trust has failed in its most basic of
    >| duties and handed over to Microsoft sole control of the on-line distribution
    >| of BBC programming. From today, you will need to own a Microsoft operating
    >| system to view BBC programming on the web. This is akin to saying you must
    >| own a Sony TV set to watch BBC TV. And you must accept the Digital *
    >| Restrictions Management (DRM) that the iPlayer imposes. You simply cannot be
    >| allowed to be in control of your computer according to the BBC. * * *
    > `----
    >
    > http://defectivebydesign.org/blog/BBCcorrupted
    >
    >
    > BBC iPlayer Protests
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    >| Who are the people responsible for creating this mess?
    >|
    >| * * * Mark Thompson, BBC director general (DG)
    >| * * * Erik Huggers, group controller at BBC Future Media & Technology
    >| * * * Ashley Highfield, director of new media and technology
    >|
    >| Right now, there is very considerable concern within the BBC that the actions
    >| of the Director General and his team are sending the corporation in the wrong
    >| direction. The BBC has been embroiled in a number of recent controversies,
    >| all linked back to the DG's leadership. *
    > `----
    >
    > http://www.defectivebydesign.org/iPlayerProtest



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  3. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    ____/ Mark Kent on Wednesday 16 January 2008 08:26 : \____

    > Roy Schestowitz espoused:
    >> BBC Director General grilled by MPs on iPlayer
    >>
    >> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>| During the meeting there is discussion of iPlayer?s total cost to the
    >>| licence fee-payer - the BBC representatives are unable to give a figure,
    >>| but start the bidding at £20m, excluding staff costs. Thomson gives
    >>| incorrect information - that Mac and Linux versions of iPlayer have the
    >>| same functionality as Windows versions - and has to change his evidence at
    >>| the end. Perhaps it was this confusion that prompted Dr John Pugh MP to
    >>| follow up the encounter with a letter direct to Mark Thomson today
    >>| discussing platform neutrality in greater detail. A copy of this letter has
    >>| been passed to the Open Rights Group.
    >> `----
    >>
    >>

    http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2008/...ps-on-iplayer/
    >>
    >> What took them so long? The 'smoking guns' have been out there for ages.
    >>

    >
    > We know. The £20 million was actually "more than £20 million". Well,
    > £21 million is more, but so is £100 million, or £1,000 million.
    >
    > The worst bit was the DG actually lying about the capabilities of the
    > Silverlight/iPlayer to an MP.
    >
    > Cue Kier to deny everything, or perhaps not, now that the DG is
    > beginning to admit it.


    Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million. I think
    the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with a new figures
    that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine) while attempting to
    remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a subset of the whole to change
    the figure for all I can tell. By the way, the BBC published an article
    praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It boasted one million users (none of
    whom uses a Mac of Linux).

    >> Related:
    >>
    >> BBC Corrupted
    >>
    >> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>| Today the BBC made it official -- they have been corrupted by Microsoft.
    >>| With today's launch of the iPlayer, the BBC Trust has failed in its most
    >>| basic of duties and handed over to Microsoft sole control of the on-line
    >>| distribution of BBC programming. From today, you will need to own a
    >>| Microsoft operating system to view BBC programming on the web. This is akin
    >>| to saying you must own a Sony TV set to watch BBC TV. And you must accept
    >>| the Digital Restrictions Management (DRM) that the iPlayer imposes. You
    >>| simply cannot be allowed to be in control of your computer according to the
    >>| BBC.
    >> `----
    >>
    >> http://defectivebydesign.org/blog/BBCcorrupted
    >>
    >>
    >> BBC iPlayer Protests
    >>
    >> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>| Who are the people responsible for creating this mess?
    >>|
    >>| * Mark Thompson, BBC director general (DG)
    >>| * Erik Huggers, group controller at BBC Future Media & Technology
    >>| * Ashley Highfield, director of new media and technology
    >>|
    >>| Right now, there is very considerable concern within the BBC that the
    >>| actions of the Director General and his team are sending the corporation in
    >>| the wrong direction. The BBC has been embroiled in a number of recent
    >>| controversies, all linked back to the DG's leadership.
    >> `----
    >>
    >> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/iPlayerProtest

    >
    >


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  4. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    Roy Schestowitz espoused:
    > ____/ Mark Kent on Wednesday 16 January 2008 08:26 : \____
    >
    >> Roy Schestowitz espoused:
    >>> BBC Director General grilled by MPs on iPlayer
    >>>
    >>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>| During the meeting there is discussion of iPlayer?s total cost to the
    >>>| licence fee-payer - the BBC representatives are unable to give a figure,
    >>>| but start the bidding at 20m, excluding staff costs. Thomson gives
    >>>| incorrect information - that Mac and Linux versions of iPlayer have the
    >>>| same functionality as Windows versions - and has to change his evidence at
    >>>| the end. Perhaps it was this confusion that prompted Dr John Pugh MP to
    >>>| follow up the encounter with a letter direct to Mark Thomson today
    >>>| discussing platform neutrality in greater detail. A copy of this letter has
    >>>| been passed to the Open Rights Group.
    >>> `----
    >>>
    >>>

    > http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2008/...ps-on-iplayer/
    >>>
    >>> What took them so long? The 'smoking guns' have been out there for ages.
    >>>

    >>
    >> We know. The £20 million was actually "more than £20 million". Well,
    >> £21 million is more, but so is £100 million, or £1,000 million.
    >>
    >> The worst bit was the DG actually lying about the capabilities of the
    >> Silverlight/iPlayer to an MP.
    >>
    >> Cue Kier to deny everything, or perhaps not, now that the DG is
    >> beginning to admit it.

    >
    > Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million. I think
    > the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with a new figures
    > that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine) while attempting to
    > remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a subset of the whole to change
    > the figure for all I can tell. By the way, the BBC published an article
    > praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It boasted one million users (none of
    > whom uses a Mac of Linux).


    Yuk, they're actually *boasting* about pushing Microsoft's software for
    them? Surely that must get somebody into court?

    They are bound to try to hide the cost, it's far too embarassing for
    them.

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  5. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:31 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

    > Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million. I think
    > the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with a new figures
    > that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine) while attempting to
    > remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a subset of the whole to change
    > the figure for all I can tell. By the way, the BBC published an article
    > praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It boasted one million users (none of
    > whom uses a Mac of Linux).


    If they were counting the streaming player in with that, then yes, there
    were Linux users in that total - I was one of them.

    --
    Kier

  6. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    Kier writes:

    > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:31 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million. I think
    >> the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with a new figures
    >> that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine) while attempting to
    >> remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a subset of the whole to change
    >> the figure for all I can tell. By the way, the BBC published an article
    >> praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It boasted one million users (none of
    >> whom uses a Mac of Linux).

    >
    > If they were counting the streaming player in with that, then yes, there
    > were Linux users in that total - I was one of them.


    There were loads of course. Roy is lying AGAIN.

  7. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    Hadron wrote:

    > Kier writes:
    >
    >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:31 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million.
    >>> I think the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with
    >>> a new figures that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine)
    >>> while attempting to remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a
    >>> subset of the whole to change the figure for all I can tell. By the way,
    >>> the BBC published an article praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It
    >>> boasted one million users (none of whom uses a Mac of Linux).

    >>
    >> If they were counting the streaming player in with that, then yes, there
    >> were Linux users in that total - I was one of them.

    >
    > There were loads of course. Roy is lying AGAIN.


    And you can prove that exactly how, "true linux advocate", "kernel
    hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
    guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
    magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator" and "email sage" Hadron
    Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary?

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  8. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:06 : \____

    > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:31 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million. I
    >> think the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with a new
    >> figures that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine) while
    >> attempting to remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a subset of the
    >> whole to change the figure for all I can tell. By the way, the BBC published
    >> an article praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It boasted one million
    >> users (none of whom uses a Mac of Linux).

    >
    > If they were counting the streaming player in with that, then yes, there
    > were Linux users in that total - I was one of them.


    I think they counted one million for the download/P2P service. That was in a
    BBC, which is separate from the report in the Register. They use their
    editorial control in the BBC site to defend/hide their corruption, IMHO. It's
    far from the first time they do this. Did you know they never covered the
    protests? Many people noticed that!

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  9. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Wednesday 16 January 2008 13:39 : \____

    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> Kier writes:
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:31 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million.
    >>>> I think the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with
    >>>> a new figures that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine)
    >>>> while attempting to remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a
    >>>> subset of the whole to change the figure for all I can tell. By the way,
    >>>> the BBC published an article praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It
    >>>> boasted one million users (none of whom uses a Mac of Linux).
    >>>
    >>> If they were counting the streaming player in with that, then yes, there
    >>> were Linux users in that total - I was one of them.

    >>
    >> There were loads of course. Roy is lying AGAIN.

    >
    > And you can prove that exactly how, "true linux advocate", "kernel
    > hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
    > guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
    > magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator" and "email sage" Hadron
    > Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian O'Leary?


    See my reply to Kier. I haven't read Hadron's ad hominem until now that I saw
    your reply. There was no lie.

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  10. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:34:47 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

    > ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:06 : \____
    >
    >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:31 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million. I
    >>> think the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with a new
    >>> figures that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine) while
    >>> attempting to remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a subset of the
    >>> whole to change the figure for all I can tell. By the way, the BBC published
    >>> an article praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It boasted one million
    >>> users (none of whom uses a Mac of Linux).

    >>
    >> If they were counting the streaming player in with that, then yes, there
    >> were Linux users in that total - I was one of them.

    >
    > I think they counted one million for the download/P2P service. That was in a
    > BBC, which is separate from the report in the Register. They use their
    > editorial control in the BBC site to defend/hide their corruption, IMHO. It's


    *What* corruption? Jesus, Roy, you can't go on saying stuff like this
    without proper evidence.

    --
    Kier

  11. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 16:53 : \____

    > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:34:47 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:06 : \____
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:31 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million. I
    >>>> think the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with a
    >>>> new figures that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine) while
    >>>> attempting to remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a subset of the
    >>>> whole to change the figure for all I can tell. By the way, the BBC
    >>>> published an article praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It boasted one
    >>>> million users (none of whom uses a Mac of Linux).
    >>>
    >>> If they were counting the streaming player in with that, then yes, there
    >>> were Linux users in that total - I was one of them.

    >>
    >> I think they counted one million for the download/P2P service. That was in a
    >> BBC, which is separate from the report in the Register. They use their
    >> editorial control in the BBC site to defend/hide their corruption, IMHO.
    >> It's

    >
    > *What* corruption? Jesus, Roy, you can't go on saying stuff like this
    > without proper evidence.


    c/f OP. It's right there in details. Shall you require more compelling set of
    coincidence, I shall happily provide them.

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  12. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:53:31 +0000, Kier wrote:

    > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:34:47 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:06 : \____
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:31 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million. I
    >>>> think the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with a new
    >>>> figures that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine) while
    >>>> attempting to remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a subset of the
    >>>> whole to change the figure for all I can tell. By the way, the BBC published
    >>>> an article praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It boasted one million
    >>>> users (none of whom uses a Mac of Linux).
    >>>
    >>> If they were counting the streaming player in with that, then yes, there
    >>> were Linux users in that total - I was one of them.

    >>
    >> I think they counted one million for the download/P2P service. That was in a
    >> BBC, which is separate from the report in the Register. They use their
    >> editorial control in the BBC site to defend/hide their corruption, IMHO. It's

    >
    > *What* corruption? Jesus, Roy, you can't go on saying stuff like this
    > without proper evidence.


    Thank you for proving my point.
    Of course you are about a year behind digg where Roy get's asked that
    question alomost on a daily basis, in one form or another.
    But of course, everyone is out to get poor Roy.
    booo hooo...

  13. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:02:53 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

    > ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 16:53 : \____
    >
    >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:34:47 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:06 : \____
    >>>
    >>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:31 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million. I
    >>>>> think the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with a
    >>>>> new figures that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine) while
    >>>>> attempting to remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a subset of the
    >>>>> whole to change the figure for all I can tell. By the way, the BBC
    >>>>> published an article praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It boasted one
    >>>>> million users (none of whom uses a Mac of Linux).
    >>>>
    >>>> If they were counting the streaming player in with that, then yes, there
    >>>> were Linux users in that total - I was one of them.
    >>>
    >>> I think they counted one million for the download/P2P service. That was in a
    >>> BBC, which is separate from the report in the Register. They use their
    >>> editorial control in the BBC site to defend/hide their corruption, IMHO.
    >>> It's

    >>
    >> *What* corruption? Jesus, Roy, you can't go on saying stuff like this
    >> without proper evidence.

    >
    > c/f OP. It's right there in details. Shall you require more compelling set of
    > coincidence, I shall happily provide them.


    If coincidence is all you've got, you'd better stop posting this stuff.
    You need real proof, not some coincidences.

    --
    Kier


  14. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:04:22 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

    > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:53:31 +0000, Kier wrote:
    >
    >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:34:47 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:06 : \____
    >>>
    >>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:31 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million. I
    >>>>> think the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with a new
    >>>>> figures that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine) while
    >>>>> attempting to remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a subset of the
    >>>>> whole to change the figure for all I can tell. By the way, the BBC published
    >>>>> an article praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It boasted one million
    >>>>> users (none of whom uses a Mac of Linux).
    >>>>
    >>>> If they were counting the streaming player in with that, then yes, there
    >>>> were Linux users in that total - I was one of them.
    >>>
    >>> I think they counted one million for the download/P2P service. That was in a
    >>> BBC, which is separate from the report in the Register. They use their
    >>> editorial control in the BBC site to defend/hide their corruption, IMHO. It's

    >>
    >> *What* corruption? Jesus, Roy, you can't go on saying stuff like this
    >> without proper evidence.

    >
    > Thank you for proving my point.
    > Of course you are about a year behind digg where Roy get's asked that
    > question alomost on a daily basis, in one form or another.


    I don't read digg.

    --
    Kier



  15. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:26:46 +0000, Kier wrote:

    her.
    >
    > I don't read digg.


    You should.
    It's a lot more accurate than COLA and some good Linux advocacy takes place
    over there.

  16. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam


    "[H]omer" wrote in message news:39t165-afq.ln1@sky.matrix...
    > Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
    >
    >> Did you know they never covered the protests? Many people noticed
    >> that!

    >
    > Yes, I commented on that at the time.
    >
    > Many BBC staff leaned out of their windows to wave at the protesters,
    > until an exec ran outside to shout at the staff to close their windows
    > and get back to work. So it's not like the MSBBC were oblivious to the
    > protests, and yet there was not even a hint of coverage on their site
    > about the incident. Nothing. They even refused an interview with the
    > Green Party spokesman who was there at the time. MSBBC censorship.
    >
    > http://defectivebydesign.com/blog/iPlayerProtestReport
    >


    [QUOTE]
    A final count shows we had twenty at the London protest and ten at BBC
    Manchester.
    [-QUOTE]

    So every single linux l-user in the UK was there protesting. All 30 of them
    and IMO that's a pretty optimistic number that was counted by a linux
    zealot.

    It's no wonder the BBC laughs at the linux loons. There are more people than
    this running Commodore 64's in the UK. Should the BBC take extra measures
    for them too?


    Why wasn't there any coverage of this "protest" on the news? Because it's
    not news. More people gather to watch a couple of dogs humping then go to
    this lame linux luser event.







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  17. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 17:21 : \____

    > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:02:53 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 16:53 : \____
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:34:47 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:06 : \____
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:31 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million.
    >>>>>> I think the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with
    >>>>>> a new figures that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine)
    >>>>>> while attempting to remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a
    >>>>>> subset of the whole to change the figure for all I can tell. By the way,
    >>>>>> the BBC published an article praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It
    >>>>>> boasted one million users (none of whom uses a Mac of Linux).
    >>>>>
    >>>>> If they were counting the streaming player in with that, then yes, there
    >>>>> were Linux users in that total - I was one of them.
    >>>>
    >>>> I think they counted one million for the download/P2P service. That was in
    >>>> a BBC, which is separate from the report in the Register. They use their
    >>>> editorial control in the BBC site to defend/hide their corruption, IMHO.
    >>>> It's
    >>>
    >>> *What* corruption? Jesus, Roy, you can't go on saying stuff like this
    >>> without proper evidence.

    >>
    >> c/f OP. It's right there in details. Shall you require more compelling set
    >> of coincidence, I shall happily provide them.

    ^s

    > If coincidence is all you've got, you'd better stop posting this stuff.
    > You need real proof, not some coincidences.


    If you're asking me for some E-mail from Ashley or Erik to the General
    saying "hey, we should just pick Microsoft," then I can't offer it to you. If
    you require dinner bills that show Erik Huggers having many nice evenings with
    his former colleagues at Microsoft, I can't offer it. If you want a transcript
    of phonecalls from Microsoft to the BBC saying that "nobody uses Linux" or "it
    infringes on Microsoft IP," I can't offer that to you.

    Knowing how business works, however, it's clear that the BBC's gut feeling had
    a lot to do with friend and partners. It was never about the taxpayer. That's
    not just the BBC and it's not just the UK. Microsoft's pattern of briberies,
    ecosystem harp (they used to call it "Trust" before the antitrust law came)
    and other such things are a case of "either you're with us or you're against
    us". The BBC has made it clear that it's not a friend of its columnist Bill
    Gates, of Microsoft, Windows and Internet Explorer. Everything else is a
    threat to the BBC now. When a government becomes a Microsoft shill, then the
    nation is indanger of voluntarily locking itself in to OOXML, Sharepoint, and
    so forth. And that's just what's happening. They let Microsoft hijack a
    nation.

    --
    ~~ Best of wishes

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  18. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:13:43 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

    > ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 17:21 : \____
    >
    >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:02:53 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 16:53 : \____
    >>>
    >>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:34:47 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:06 : \____
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:31 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million.
    >>>>>>> I think the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with
    >>>>>>> a new figures that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine)
    >>>>>>> while attempting to remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a
    >>>>>>> subset of the whole to change the figure for all I can tell. By the way,
    >>>>>>> the BBC published an article praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It
    >>>>>>> boasted one million users (none of whom uses a Mac of Linux).
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> If they were counting the streaming player in with that, then yes, there
    >>>>>> were Linux users in that total - I was one of them.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I think they counted one million for the download/P2P service. That was in
    >>>>> a BBC, which is separate from the report in the Register. They use their
    >>>>> editorial control in the BBC site to defend/hide their corruption, IMHO.
    >>>>> It's
    >>>>
    >>>> *What* corruption? Jesus, Roy, you can't go on saying stuff like this
    >>>> without proper evidence.
    >>>
    >>> c/f OP. It's right there in details. Shall you require more compelling set
    >>> of coincidence, I shall happily provide them.

    > ^s
    >
    >> If coincidence is all you've got, you'd better stop posting this stuff.
    >> You need real proof, not some coincidences.

    >
    > If you're asking me for some E-mail from Ashley or Erik to the General
    > saying "hey, we should just pick Microsoft," then I can't offer it to you. If
    > you require dinner bills that show Erik Huggers having many nice evenings with
    > his former colleagues at Microsoft, I can't offer it. If you want a transcript
    > of phonecalls from Microsoft to the BBC saying that "nobody uses Linux" or "it
    > infringes on Microsoft IP," I can't offer that to you.


    So you have even less proof than I have of you nymshifting as Anonymous
    Coward" over on Slashdot.
    Funny how the "Linux Loony Double Standard" is alive and well.

  19. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    Roy Schestowitz espoused:
    > ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 17:21 : \____
    >
    >> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:02:53 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 16:53 : \____
    >>>
    >>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:34:47 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> ____/ Kier on Wednesday 16 January 2008 10:06 : \____
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:31 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Two separate and independent sources said it was well over 100 million.
    >>>>>>> I think the BBC is now trying to bend the definitions as it came up with
    >>>>>>> a new figures that those responsible spit out in their blog (and mine)
    >>>>>>> while attempting to remain consistent wrt the numbers. They used a
    >>>>>>> subset of the whole to change the figure for all I can tell. By the way,
    >>>>>>> the BBC published an article praising (its own) iPlayer yesterday. It
    >>>>>>> boasted one million users (none of whom uses a Mac of Linux).
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> If they were counting the streaming player in with that, then yes, there
    >>>>>> were Linux users in that total - I was one of them.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I think they counted one million for the download/P2P service. That was in
    >>>>> a BBC, which is separate from the report in the Register. They use their
    >>>>> editorial control in the BBC site to defend/hide their corruption, IMHO.
    >>>>> It's
    >>>>
    >>>> *What* corruption? Jesus, Roy, you can't go on saying stuff like this
    >>>> without proper evidence.
    >>>
    >>> c/f OP. It's right there in details. Shall you require more compelling set
    >>> of coincidence, I shall happily provide them.

    > ^s
    >
    >> If coincidence is all you've got, you'd better stop posting this stuff.
    >> You need real proof, not some coincidences.

    >
    > If you're asking me for some E-mail from Ashley or Erik to the General
    > saying "hey, we should just pick Microsoft," then I can't offer it to you. If
    > you require dinner bills that show Erik Huggers having many nice evenings with
    > his former colleagues at Microsoft, I can't offer it. If you want a transcript
    > of phonecalls from Microsoft to the BBC saying that "nobody uses Linux" or "it
    > infringes on Microsoft IP," I can't offer that to you.
    >
    > Knowing how business works, however, it's clear that the BBC's gut feeling had
    > a lot to do with friend and partners. It was never about the taxpayer. That's
    > not just the BBC and it's not just the UK. Microsoft's pattern of briberies,
    > ecosystem harp (they used to call it "Trust" before the antitrust law came)
    > and other such things are a case of "either you're with us or you're against
    > us". The BBC has made it clear that it's not a friend of its columnist Bill
    > Gates, of Microsoft, Windows and Internet Explorer. Everything else is a
    > threat to the BBC now. When a government becomes a Microsoft shill, then the
    > nation is indanger of voluntarily locking itself in to OOXML, Sharepoint, and
    > so forth. And that's just what's happening. They let Microsoft hijack a
    > nation.
    >


    Does Kier work for the BBC?

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  20. Re: [News] [Rival] MSBBC Busted by Parliament for the MS iPlayer Scam

    [H]omer espoused:
    > Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
    >
    >> Did you know they never covered the protests? Many people noticed
    >> that!

    >
    > Yes, I commented on that at the time.
    >
    > Many BBC staff leaned out of their windows to wave at the protesters,
    > until an exec ran outside to shout at the staff to close their windows
    > and get back to work. So it's not like the MSBBC were oblivious to the
    > protests, and yet there was not even a hint of coverage on their site
    > about the incident. Nothing. They even refused an interview with the
    > Green Party spokesman who was there at the time. MSBBC censorship.
    >
    > http://defectivebydesign.com/blog/iPlayerProtestReport
    >


    It does demonstrate very much that a cover-up of massive proportion is
    going on. Along with the Telegraph's article showing the 100 Million
    spend, and the BBC's own Director General trying to spin it as "more
    than 20 million".

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