"Jerry McBride" wrote in message
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>
>
> ASUSTEK
>
> "Who in the hell is Asustek, and why does Microsoft hate them more than
> any
> other company in the industry? Why does Apple, Dell and Palm Computing
> hate
> them?
>
> And why does Intel love them?
> "
>
> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/col...le.php/3719776
>
Just another minimal system designed to keep the world associating Linux
with the "bottom of the barrel". Think Yugo. Think Loser.

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:03:33 -0500, amicus_curious wrote:

>
> "Jerry McBride" wrote in message
> news:2nt455xss7.ln2@supertux.my.domain...
>>
>>
>> ASUSTEK
>>
>> "Who in the hell is Asustek, and why does Microsoft hate them more than
>> any
>> other company in the industry? Why does Apple, Dell and Palm Computing
>> hate
>> them?
>>
>> And why does Intel love them?
>> "
>>
>> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/col...le.php/3719776
>>
> Just another minimal system designed to keep the world associating Linux
> with the "bottom of the barrel". Think Yugo. Think Loser.

Hardly. They're selling like hot cakes.

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On Jan 5, 2:03*pm, "amicus_curious" wrote:
> "Jerry McBride" wrote in message
>
> news:2nt455xss7.ln2@supertux.my.domain...
>
> > ASUSTEK
>
> > "Who in the hell is Asustek, and why does Microsoft hate them more than
> > any
> > other company in the industry? Why does Apple, Dell and Palm Computing
> > hate
> > them?
>
> > And why does Intel love them?
> > "
>
> >http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/col.../article.php/3...
>
> Just another minimal system designed to keep the world associating Linux
> with the "bottom of the barrel". *Think Yugo. *Think Loser.

From what I saw of the only one I've come in contact with, this is a
very nice machine. Something I plan on getting as soon as I can. Of
course, the only one I've come in contact with was running windows xp
so the guy could do sharepoint development on his commute to work
using vs2008. But, my guess is most of them stay with xandros (but
they do provide xp drivers).

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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:03:33 -0500, amicus_curious scribbled down:

>
> "Jerry McBride" wrote in message
> news:2nt455xss7.ln2@supertux.my.domain...
>>
>>
>> ASUSTEK
>>
>> "Who in the hell is Asustek, and why does Microsoft hate them more than
>> any
>> other company in the industry? Why does Apple, Dell and Palm Computing
>> hate
>> them?
>>
>> And why does Intel love them?
>> "
>>
>> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/col...le.php/3719776
>>
> Just another minimal system designed to keep the world associating Linux
> with the "bottom of the barrel". Think Yugo. Think Loser.

I certainly own some rather nice computing equipment. But I wouldn't mind
getting an Asus Eee PC either.

My guess is that once the Asus Eee starts running Windows XP in a few
months it will cease to be a "bottom of the barrel" loser system. You'll
then be claiming how great it is.


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In article ,
Jon Nesbit wrote:
> My guess is that once the Asus Eee starts running Windows XP in a few
> months it will cease to be a "bottom of the barrel" loser system. You'll
> then be claiming how great it is.

I thought it could run XP now. The owner's manual for the Linux version
has a chapter on how to install XP on it.


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In article <477ff0a7$0$2893$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
"amicus_curious" wrote:
> Just another minimal system designed to keep the world associating Linux
> with the "bottom of the barrel". Think Yugo. Think Loser.

They don't make a big deal of the OS. They want the world to think of
it as an appliance, not as a small PC.


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In article <2nt455xss7.ln2@supertux.my.domain>,
Jerry McBride wrote:
> "Who in the hell is Asustek, and why does Microsoft hate them more than any
> other company in the industry? Why does Apple, Dell and Palm Computing hate
> them?
>
> And why does Intel love them?
> "
>
> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/col...le.php/3719776

Some interesting points, but I think he's wrong about Apple. It doesn't
compete with the iPod Touch (which he compares its price to), as they
are aimed at very different markets. And any rumored upcoming
flash-based Apple notebook will probably be a different market from it,
too, the same way Apple's notebooks and the low-end Dells sell to
different markets now. Thus, I doubt Apple hates Asustek.

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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:29:23 -0800, Tim Smith scribbled down:

> In article ,
> Jon Nesbit wrote:
>> My guess is that once the Asus Eee starts running Windows XP in a few
>> months it will cease to be a "bottom of the barrel" loser system. You'll
>> then be claiming how great it is.
>
> I thought it could run XP now. The owner's manual for the Linux version
> has a chapter on how to install XP on it.

Perhaps it can run XP now. I have a very good idea of what the Eee is but
I haven't been following it all that close. Even though I wouldn't mind
getting one 'someday' my current hardware is pretty decent and I usually
prefer to wait for the initial rush (and initial bugs) to pass before I
buy something. (Recall the madness with the PS3 first came out and what
people were paying compared to those who waited a couple of months.)

FYI - You are correct. I just did a Google search for Asus Eee and XP and
there are several people running XP and instructions on how to do it.

Also, do I consider this a "cheap" laptop? No because I have a real
laptop that I use for real computing. But if I'm traveling and need a
small device for email and web browsing then something like this would be
perfect.




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Jerry McBride :
>
>
> ASUSTEK
>
> "Who in the hell is Asustek, and why does Microsoft hate them more than any
> other company in the industry? Why does Apple, Dell and Palm Computing hate
> them?
>
> And why does Intel love them?
> "
>
> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/col...le.php/3719776

Dunno, I like them. They made the motherboard in my (and most of my
customers) computers. They rocketh.


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* Jerry McBride fired off this tart reply:

> "Who in the hell is Asustek, and why does Microsoft hate them more than any
> other company in the industry? Why does Apple, Dell and Palm Computing hate
> them?
>
> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/col...le.php/3719776

"The entire system -- hardware, OS, office suite and applications --
costs $30 less than Amazon.com's discounted price for Microsoft
Windows Vista Ultimate alone. The Asus Eee PC is demonstrating to the
world that its success depends on aggressively *avoiding* any
Microsoft product."

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* amicus_curious fired off this tart reply:

> "Jerry McBride" wrote in message
> news:2nt455xss7.ln2@supertux.my.domain...
>>
>> "Who in the hell is Asustek, and why does Microsoft hate them more
>> than any other company in the industry? Why does Apple, Dell and Palm
>> Computing hate them?
>>
>> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/col...le.php/3719776
>>
> Just another minimal system designed to keep the world associating Linux
> with the "bottom of the barrel". Think Yugo. Think Loser.

No, think $69 less than a 16 Gb iPod Touch.

As usual, when exposed to salt, this slug merely exudes some slime.

Slimer.

"There's no question about it -- Asustek is the most hated company in
the industry. Microsoft, Apple, Dell and Palm hate Asustek because
the company can give us something they can't: A super cheap,
flexible, powerful mobile computer. At $299, why would anyone not buy
one?"

Still watching the dropping price-lines on those Vista PCs, by the way.

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"Tim Smith" wrote in message
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> In article <2nt455xss7.ln2@supertux.my.domain>,
> Jerry McBride wrote:
>> "Who in the hell is Asustek, and why does Microsoft hate them more than
>> any
>> other company in the industry? Why does Apple, Dell and Palm Computing
>> hate
>> them?
>>
>> And why does Intel love them?
>> "
>>
>> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/col...le.php/3719776
>
> Some interesting points, but I think he's wrong about Apple. It doesn't
> compete with the iPod Touch (which he compares its price to), as they
> are aimed at very different markets. And any rumored upcoming
> flash-based Apple notebook will probably be a different market from it,
> too, the same way Apple's notebooks and the low-end Dells sell to
> different markets now. Thus, I doubt Apple hates Asustek.
>
It isn't an issue of substitute functionality, it is an issue of priority of
needs vs funds available for a consumer, i.e I can have a little PC to read
email and surf the web when I'm away from home or I can have a nifty
music/video player to entertain myself with when I am away from home. What
do I buy with my $300-$400? A lot of that has to do with personal image,
too. The consumer wants to appear sophisticated, suave, and urbane to a
great extent and chooses things that are perceived to achieve that end. I
think that the iPod Touch has a lot more of that kind of appeal than a
minimal notebook.

The need for accessing mail is a business sort of thing and the suave fast
tracker would rather have a recognizably expensive high end laptop, such as
Dell's new thin line machines that our deep draft managers are all angling
for.

* amicus_curious fired off this tart reply:

> It isn't an issue of substitute functionality, it is an issue of priority of
> needs vs funds available for a consumer, i.e I can have a little PC to read
> email and surf the web when I'm away from home or I can have a nifty
> music/video player to entertain myself with when I am away from home. What
> do I buy with my $300-$400? A lot of that has to do with personal image,
> too. The consumer wants to appear sophisticated, suave, and urbane to a
> great extent and chooses things that are perceived to achieve that end. I
> think that the iPod Touch has a lot more of that kind of appeal than a
> minimal notebook.

I would agree.

> The need for accessing mail is a business sort of thing and the suave fast
> tracker would rather have a recognizably expensive high end laptop, such as
> Dell's new thin line machines that our deep draft managers are all angling
> for.

Some people feel differently when they have to lug the big thing around
and have it heating up their lap.

Of course, some of the high-end machines cost more just because they are
thinner and lighter, if not cooler (in the Centrigrade sense).

You're talking here about bizzizzmen, who depend upon work-based
status and perks for their self-esteem. And have the budget to feed
that need.

Myself, although I do indeed have one of these perks (a ****-hot DELL
Latitude D820 running Linux, with an all-but-unused Windows partition),
I would love to have a small machine like the Eee that I can carry
around like a book and use for email, browsing, and, of course, some
C/C++ and Python programming.

In any case, the Eee seems to be doing quite well, so there are people
out there who want such a machine.

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"Linonut" wrote in message
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>* amicus_curious fired off this tart reply:
>
>> It isn't an issue of substitute functionality, it is an issue of priority
>> of
>> needs vs funds available for a consumer, i.e I can have a little PC to
>> read
>> email and surf the web when I'm away from home or I can have a nifty
>> music/video player to entertain myself with when I am away from home.
>> What
>> do I buy with my $300-$400? A lot of that has to do with personal image,
>> too. The consumer wants to appear sophisticated, suave, and urbane to a
>> great extent and chooses things that are perceived to achieve that end.
>> I
>> think that the iPod Touch has a lot more of that kind of appeal than a
>> minimal notebook.
>
> I would agree.
>
>> The need for accessing mail is a business sort of thing and the suave
>> fast
>> tracker would rather have a recognizably expensive high end laptop, such
>> as
>> Dell's new thin line machines that our deep draft managers are all
>> angling
>> for.
>
> Some people feel differently when they have to lug the big thing around
> and have it heating up their lap.
>
True, but these new ones are fairly light, about 3.5 pounds, and small with
a 15" LCD that is really bright. The batteries will go almost 12 hours,
too. My leader's machine is about half the size and weight of my old Dell
D600 Latitude.

> Of course, some of the high-end machines cost more just because they are
> thinner and lighter, if not cooler (in the Centrigrade sense).
>
> You're talking here about bizzizzmen, who depend upon work-based
> status and perks for their self-esteem. And have the budget to feed
> that need.
>
They are pretty much the market for these things. The kids get their mail
and text on their phones along with music. The iPod suites them.

> Myself, although I do indeed have one of these perks (a ****-hot DELL
> Latitude D820 running Linux, with an all-but-unused Windows partition),
> I would love to have a small machine like the Eee that I can carry
> around like a book and use for email, browsing, and, of course, some
> C/C++ and Python programming.
>
That is your classic too big notebook that you mentioned above. Programming
on the peanut whistles is not any fun though once you are used to a fast
workstation.

> In any case, the Eee seems to be doing quite well, so there are people
> out there who want such a machine.
>
True, but they had very limited initial availability, too.

In article <_X7gj.46359$_m.36761@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
Linonut wrote:
>
> In any case, the Eee seems to be doing quite well, so there are people
> out there who want such a machine.

I'm interested--just have to see one first, to see how well it works for
the web. I'd love to be able to reasonably read O'Reilly books online
via my Safari Library subscription, while reclining on my comfy couch.

I just don't think it is going to compete with either iPod or Apple
laptops. For a portable media player, size matters--the iPods are small
enough to stick in your pocket and forget about. The EEE is big enough
that it is something you have to be aware of (well, unless you are
carrying a backpack, then you could throw it in there and probably not
notice it).

As far as laptops go, Apple will probably continue to aim at a market
that needs more oomph than the EEE provides.

Don't get me wrong. I think the EEE might fit very well into a niche
between portable media players, and more "serious" laptops, and that
niche could be quite big, but I just don't think it is in competition
with the things on either side of that niche.

There is one thing that has me hesitating about buying an EEE, though.
I don't have enough situations where I *need* something in that niche,
so it would more be to play with. But the Amazon Kindle is looking to
be a good contender for my next "device to play with" expenditure. So I
think I'm going to sit tight and see how things develop.

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> "Linonut" wrote in message
> news:_X7gj.46359$_m.36761@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>> Myself, although I do indeed have one of these perks (a ****-hot DELL
>> Latitude D820 running Linux, with an all-but-unused Windows partition),
>> I would love to have a small machine like the Eee that I can carry
>> around like a book and use for email, browsing, and, of course, some
>> C/C++ and Python programming.
>
> That is your classic too big notebook that you mentioned above.

?

The Eee PC is a subnotebook, 7" screen. It's getting close to my
small-book profile.

> Programming on the peanut whistles is not any fun though once you are
> used to a fast workstation.

Actually, the only down side in that regard to me is the small screen,
800x480.

Otherwise, I spend most of my time in my programmer's editor, and it
also sports a tabbed interface (I'm talking about vim here) if you want
it.

Sure, building from scratch will take awhile, but I can do something
else in the meantime on that machine, and the next builds take only
moments.

Now, I must confess that the Eee is still a bit to big in one regard --
I can't sneak it into my pocket when my wife and I go to some social
obligation

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* Tim Smith fired off this tart reply:

> Linonut wrote:
>>
>> In any case, the Eee seems to be doing quite well, so there are people
>> out there who want such a machine.
>
> I'm interested--just have to see one first, to see how well it works for
> the web. I'd love to be able to reasonably read O'Reilly books online
> via my Safari Library subscription, while reclining on my comfy couch.
>
> I just don't think it is going to compete with either iPod or Apple
> laptops. For a portable media player, size matters--the iPods are small
> enough to stick in your pocket and forget about. The EEE is big enough
> that it is something you have to be aware of (well, unless you are
> carrying a backpack, then you could throw it in there and probably not
> notice it).

The Eee is much smaller than the big fat 1600-page Python book I've been
lugging around the last few weeks .

> Don't get me wrong. I think the EEE might fit very well into a niche
> between portable media players, and more "serious" laptops, and that
> niche could be quite big, but I just don't think it is in competition
> with the things on either side of that niche.
>
> There is one thing that has me hesitating about buying an EEE, though.
> I don't have enough situations where I *need* something in that niche,
> so it would more be to play with. But the Amazon Kindle is looking to
> be a good contender for my next "device to play with" expenditure. So I
> think I'm going to sit tight and see how things develop.

The Kindle looks interesting, too, as does the OLPC.

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rat wrote:

>Think Yugo. Think Loser.

Think Toyota. Think Winner.