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  1. very annoying bugs in debian etch (4.0r0)

    Yes, there are quite a few annoying and perhaps even serious bugs for
    console users and there's a strange bug somewhere in synaptic or its
    backend apt-get.

    1. There is a problem with console fonts as many console apps display
    strange or foreign characters near the edges of the screen. Midnight
    commander is a complete mess and even after compiling from source it is
    almost unuseable in tty1. It *appears* to function in the other tty's but
    can I trust it with our data?

    2. No job control in tty1.

    3. Synaptic has twice in only two weeks now lost important indexing files
    as it reports problems with the repository both local and on the internet.
    See messages below which are of course very misleading because there is
    nothing wrong with the network nor local repositories as they can be
    contacted and in fact synaptic shows the information being downloaded.
    It's not even possible to use aptitude because althought synaptic uses
    apt-get as its backend and aptitude does not synaptic or some other
    software must have damaged some common area between the two package
    managers.

    Removing all three dvd's from the repositories window in synaptics
    settings "gets rid" of the errors on reload (see below). Reloading or
    adding each of the three dvd's appears to have mended the repository
    problem for now.

    <<
    Could not download all repository indexes

    The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted
    because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed
    index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your
    network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in
    the preferences.
    >>


    <<
    W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20070407-11:40] etch/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-1%2020070407-11:40_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
    W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20070407-11:40] etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-1%2020070407-11:40_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
    W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-2 20070407-11:40] etch/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-2%2020070407-11:40_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
    W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-2 20070407-11:40] etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-2%2020070407-11:40_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
    W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-3 20070407-11:40] etch/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-3%2020070407-11:40_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
    W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-3 20070407-11:40] etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-3%2020070407-11:40_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
    >>


    Methinks they rushed this one. I dread to think how bad
    etch would have been had they fobbed it off on us in October as they had
    at first intended. Sarge was excellent and in two years of heavy useage on
    our network it continues to perform flawlessly. I'm sorely tempted to dump
    etch and reload sarge. I don't think I will be upgrading the other
    machines from sarge to etch - not yet anyhow. I hope these problems are
    given some priority and fixed asap if not then at least by the first
    revision.

    I report this trouble with etch here because I have found debians bug
    reporting/tracking system to be unsatisfactory. No matter how you explain
    it to them what you get is a standard reply saying more information is
    required. Well, if I new more about the circumstances of the problem then
    no doubt I could fix it or avoid it myself. I mean, what more is there to
    report about this " -bash: no job control in this shell - what you get
    when you log in to tty1".

    As for the group linux.debian.user, my news server only carries it
    in fits and starts. At the moment it's unavailable.

    I've googled these problems extensively and I can't believe the derth of
    information on them. One user has fixed his tty1 job control problem with
    ctrl c and then a simple edit to the file xprint - except I have no such
    file on my box! LOL

    And while I'm at it (complaining) I may as well say that all you reviewers
    out there are rubbish. About all you do is install and sing the praises
    (OR NOT) of whether your wi fi hardware is found and working (for example).
    None of you seem to go on and actually report anything about the use of
    the system, whether you see any problems or bugs. Your reviews are almost
    worthless.




  2. Thanks - Re: very annoying bugs in debian etch (4.0r0)

    Thanks both for your help!

    Fixed it.

    /etc/console-tools/config had a line missing for vc1

    cured both the missing job control in tty1 and the font problem.

    excellent.

    now lets hope synaptic holds out.



  3. Nope Re: very annoying bugs in debian etch (4.0r0)

    Nope,
    I must have been on the wrong tty.
    My problems are as they were.

    Thanks anyway for your advice. I'll just have to spend some more time
    tracking it down.


  4. Partial fix Re: very annoying bugs in debian etch (4.0r0)


    Re the problem:
    "-bash: no job control in this shell".

    Uninstalling package tleds-105b-783.deb "solved" the problem.
    Replacement tleds in the form of a repackaged rpm to deb from
    an old suse distro appears to be working fine.

    Midnight Commander after building from source still only works
    in tty's 2 and 2+. Screen addressing (char) is a mess in tty1.

    Oh yeah, and console tools had to be removed and kbd reinstalled
    as per the installation default for etch.

    So, it's not entirely satisfactory but hey ho we'll see about the rest.



    On Mon, 14 May 2007 11:50:14 +0100, anon wrote:

    > Yes, there are quite a few annoying and perhaps even serious bugs for
    > console users and there's a strange bug somewhere in synaptic or its
    > backend apt-get.
    >
    > 1. There is a problem with console fonts as many console apps display
    > strange or foreign characters near the edges of the screen. Midnight
    > commander is a complete mess and even after compiling from source it is
    > almost unuseable in tty1. It *appears* to function in the other tty's but
    > can I trust it with our data?
    >
    > 2. No job control in tty1.
    >
    > 3. Synaptic has twice in only two weeks now lost important indexing files
    > as it reports problems with the repository both local and on the internet.
    > See messages below which are of course very misleading because there is
    > nothing wrong with the network nor local repositories as they can be
    > contacted and in fact synaptic shows the information being downloaded.
    > It's not even possible to use aptitude because althought synaptic uses
    > apt-get as its backend and aptitude does not synaptic or some other
    > software must have damaged some common area between the two package
    > managers.
    >
    > Removing all three dvd's from the repositories window in synaptics
    > settings "gets rid" of the errors on reload (see below). Reloading or
    > adding each of the three dvd's appears to have mended the repository
    > problem for now.
    >
    > <<
    > Could not download all repository indexes
    >
    > The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted
    > because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed
    > index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your
    > network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in
    > the preferences.
    >>>
    >>>

    > <<
    > W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0
    > _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20070407-11:40] etch/contrib Packages
    > (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-1%2020070407-11:40_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages)
    > - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list
    > cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1
    > 20070407-11:40] etch/main Packages
    > (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-1%2020070407-11:40_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages)
    > - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list
    > cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-2
    > 20070407-11:40] etch/contrib Packages
    > (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-2%2020070407-11:40_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages)
    > - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list
    > cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-2
    > 20070407-11:40] etch/main Packages
    > (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-2%2020070407-11:40_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages)
    > - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list
    > cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-3
    > 20070407-11:40] etch/contrib Packages
    > (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-3%2020070407-11:40_dists_etch_contrib_binary-i386_Packages)
    > - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list
    > cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-3
    > 20070407-11:40] etch/main Packages
    > (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%204.0%20r0%20%5fEtch%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20DVD%20Binary-3%2020070407-11:40_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages)
    > - stat (2 No such file or directory)
    >>>
    >>>

    > Methinks they rushed this one. I dread to think how bad etch would have
    > been had they fobbed it off on us in October as they had at first
    > intended. Sarge was excellent and in two years of heavy useage on our
    > network it continues to perform flawlessly. I'm sorely tempted to dump
    > etch and reload sarge. I don't think I will be upgrading the other
    > machines from sarge to etch - not yet anyhow. I hope these problems are
    > given some priority and fixed asap if not then at least by the first
    > revision.
    >
    > I report this trouble with etch here because I have found debians bug
    > reporting/tracking system to be unsatisfactory. No matter how you explain
    > it to them what you get is a standard reply saying more information is
    > required. Well, if I new more about the circumstances of the problem then
    > no doubt I could fix it or avoid it myself. I mean, what more is there to
    > report about this " -bash: no job control in this shell - what you get
    > when you log in to tty1".
    >
    > As for the group linux.debian.user, my news server only carries it in fits
    > and starts. At the moment it's unavailable.
    >
    > I've googled these problems extensively and I can't believe the derth of
    > information on them. One user has fixed his tty1 job control problem with
    > ctrl c and then a simple edit to the file xprint - except I have no such
    > file on my box! LOL
    >
    > And while I'm at it (complaining) I may as well say that all you reviewers
    > out there are rubbish. About all you do is install and sing the praises
    > (OR NOT) of whether your wi fi hardware is found and working (for
    > example). None of you seem to go on and actually report anything about the
    > use of the system, whether you see any problems or bugs. Your reviews are
    > almost worthless.



  5. Re: very annoying bugs in debian etch (4.0r0)

    anon wrote:
    > 1. There is a problem with console fonts as many console apps display
    > strange or foreign characters near the edges of the screen. Midnight
    > commander is a complete mess [...]


    I've not spotted that one yet. What are you running on?

    Midnight commander has always been a complete mess IMO ;-)

    > 2. No job control in tty1.


    Again, not spotted that one. Is getty or bash being run with strange
    options? grep getty /etc/inittab

    > 3. Synaptic has twice in only two weeks now lost important indexing files
    > as it reports problems with the repository both local and on the internet.
    > See messages below [...]
    > Removing all three dvd's from the repositories window in synaptics
    > settings "gets rid" of the errors on reload (see below). Reloading or
    > adding each of the three dvd's appears to have mended the repository
    > problem for now.


    I think something in apt got confused, maybe caused by the job control
    problems. An apt clean and then update should have cleared the problem.

    [...]
    > I report this trouble with etch here because I have found debians bug
    > reporting/tracking system to be unsatisfactory. No matter how you explain
    > it to them what you get is a standard reply saying more information is
    > required. [...]


    Then send back a standard reply asking how to get that information!

    We debian developers are human and we don't know who is on the other end
    of the email client.

    > As for the group linux.debian.user, my news server only carries it
    > in fits and starts. At the moment it's unavailable.


    Ask your newsmaster to improve it and/or subscribe directly at
    http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
    and I expect GMANE carries it as a newsgroup.

    [...]
    > And while I'm at it (complaining) I may as well say that all you reviewers
    > out there are rubbish. About all you do is install and sing the praises
    > (OR NOT) of whether your wi fi hardware is found and working (for example).
    > None of you seem to go on and actually report anything about the use of
    > the system, whether you see any problems or bugs. Your reviews are almost
    > worthless.


    Oh, I'd agree with that. Reviews lately seem to be very superficial.
    The interesting stuff is on Usenet or personal web sites.

    Or was it always like that?
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  6. Re: very annoying bugs in debian etch (4.0r0)

    On Tue, 15 May 2007 06:36:25 +0000, MJ Ray wrote:

    > anon wrote:
    >> 1. There is a problem with console fonts as many console apps display
    >> strange or foreign characters near the edges of the screen. Midnight
    >> commander is a complete mess [...]

    >
    > I've not spotted that one yet. What are you running on?


    ? pentium4 and en_GB is the location.

    > Midnight commander has always been a complete mess IMO ;-)
    >
    >> 2. No job control in tty1.

    >
    > Again, not spotted that one. Is getty or bash being run with strange
    > options? grep getty /etc/inittab


    inittab looks fine. removing tleds "fixed" this problem but there is still
    a display problem with tty1 using mc or deco.

    >> 3. Synaptic has twice in only two weeks now lost important indexing
    >> files as it reports problems with the repository both local and on the
    >> internet. See messages below [...]
    >> Removing all three dvd's from the repositories window in synaptics
    >> settings "gets rid" of the errors on reload (see below). Reloading or
    >> adding each of the three dvd's appears to have mended the repository
    >> problem for now.

    >
    > I think something in apt got confused, maybe caused by the job control
    > problems. An apt clean and then update should have cleared the problem.


    ah, thanks. I will use that nedxt time.

    > [...]
    >> I report this trouble with etch here because I have found debians bug
    >> reporting/tracking system to be unsatisfactory. No matter how you
    >> explain it to them what you get is a standard reply saying more
    >> information is required. [...]

    >
    > Then send back a standard reply asking how to get that information!


    tleds "caused" the problem, I suppose I could have supplied a complete
    installed package list.

    > We debian developers are human and we don't know who is on the other end
    > of the email client.


    You need to be specific about what you want to know when you ask for
    more information. Sorry but that's how it is. The number of variables
    involved in a working system is large. For example, perhaps a request
    for a package list I could have complied with.

    >> As for the group linux.debian.user, my news server only carries it in
    >> fits and starts. At the moment it's unavailable.

    >


    thanks for your help.


  7. Re: Partial fix Re: very annoying bugs in debian etch (4.0r0)

    On 2007-05-14, anon wrote:

    > Uninstalling package tleds-105b-783.deb "solved" the problem.
    > Replacement tleds in the form of a repackaged rpm to deb from
    > an old suse distro appears to be working fine.


    Please report a bug on the tleds package describing the problem -
    without feedback like that it can look like the package is working fine
    and someone else might trip over it. Now that you have isolated which
    package is responsible it should be much easier to handle your report.

    Currently, nobody seems to be looking after the package so it's likely
    to get removed from the next release if it has problems like this.

    --
    "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever."

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