On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:

> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling

YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.

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____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 17:40 : \____

> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>
>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>
> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.

It's a very reasonable estimate. Eee PCs alone sold about 200,000 per month.
That's a number of /new/ Linux PCs you can't just sneeze at.

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Net Nanny Kier wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>
>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>
> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.


BOLLOCKS TO YOU ASSHOLE!

YOU WERE TOLD MANY TIMES TO TOTAL THE PRESS RELEASES FOR 2007!!!

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:44:21 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> ____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 17:40 : \____
>
>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>
>>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>
>> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>
> It's a very reasonable estimate. Eee PCs alone sold about 200,000 per month.

I heard 175,000. Whichever it is, it's pretty good news, I agree. But 7
has been saying this for ages without any evidence. When anyone asks, he
just spews more babytalk.

> That's a number of /new/ Linux PCs you can't just sneeze at.

But where have the rest come from? A million a month is a very large
figure, after all, and it's best to be as accurate as possible, that way
we can't be criticised for making things up.

--
Kier

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:07:26 +0000, 7 wrote:

> Net Nanny Kier wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>
>>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>
>> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>
>
> BOLLOCKS TO YOU ASSHOLE!

Tut, tut. You shouldn't shout, I'm not deaf. I'm not an asshole, either.

>
> YOU WERE TOLD MANY TIMES TO TOTAL THE PRESS RELEASES FOR 2007!!!

That isn't proof. *You* show the proof, and I'll quite happily believe it.
But in English, not babytalk.

--
Kier

Net Nanny Kier wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:07:26 +0000, 7 wrote:
>
>> Net Nanny Kier wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>>
>>> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>>
>>
>> BOLLOCKS TO YOU ASSHOLE!
>
> Tut, tut. You shouldn't shout, I'm not deaf. I'm not an asshole, either.

I can see you genuinely believe that!!!
May be you should seek second opinion?


>> YOU WERE TOLD MANY TIMES TO TOTAL THE PRESS RELEASES FOR 2007!!!
>
> That isn't proof.

Because?

> *You* show the proof, and I'll quite happily believe it.

You have read above?

> But in English, not babytalk.

That assumes you can read English which you can't because
everthing appears to you as babytalk?

Kier wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:44:21 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> ____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 17:40 : \____
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>>
>>> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>>
>> It's a very reasonable estimate. Eee PCs alone sold about 200,000 per
>> month.
>
> I heard 175,000. Whichever it is, it's pretty good news, I agree. But 7
> has been saying this for ages without any evidence. When anyone asks, he
> just spews more babytalk.
>
>> That's a number of /new/ Linux PCs you can't just sneeze at.
>
> But where have the rest come from? A million a month is a very large
> figure,

Because?

> after all, and it's best to be as accurate as possible, that way
> we can't be criticised for making things up.

In article ,
Kier wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:44:21 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
> > ____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 17:40 : \____
> >
> >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
> >>
> >>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
> >>
> >> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
> >
> > It's a very reasonable estimate. Eee PCs alone sold about 200,000 per month.
>
> I heard 175,000. Whichever it is, it's pretty good news, I agree. But 7
> has been saying this for ages without any evidence. When anyone asks, he
> just spews more babytalk.

They projected selling 200k by the end of the year, which had 2.5 months
left in it when they went on sale. They actually sold about 350k, in
just over 2 months, which would be 175k a month, so your number looks
like the right one.

However, that will include a boost from launch month, and a boost from
Christmas sales, so they probably won't sustain that rate.

If 7 is right, new Linux desktops are springing up about as fast as PS3s
are selling. So, we can test this by surveying people. If he is right,
we should find we encounter about as many recent Linux desktop users as
we encounter recent PS3 buyers (although it might be necessary to wait a
couple months, to get out of the Christmas effect, since I'd expect that
to have boosted PS3 sales more than it would boost Linux desktop
installs).

--
--Tim Smith

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:41:53 +0000, 7 wrote:

> Net Nanny Kier wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:07:26 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>
>>> Net Nanny Kier wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>>>
>>>> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>>>
>>>
>>> BOLLOCKS TO YOU ASSHOLE!
>>
>> Tut, tut. You shouldn't shout, I'm not deaf. I'm not an asshole, either.
>
> I can see you genuinely believe that!!!

Naturally. Since I'm not an asshole.

> May be you should seek second opinion?

Nope.

>
>
>>> YOU WERE TOLD MANY TIMES TO TOTAL THE PRESS RELEASES FOR 2007!!!
>>
>> That isn't proof.
>
> Because?

Because *you* have not shown it.

>
>> *You* show the proof, and I'll quite happily believe it.
>
> You have read above?

Ditto.

>
>> But in English, not babytalk.
>
> That assumes you can read English which you can't because
> everthing appears to you as babytalk?

Not, it assumes you insist on talking in stupid baby language instead of
proper English. If you stopped, you might be taken seriously.

--
Kier

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:42:32 +0000, 7 wrote:

> Kier wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:44:21 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> ____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 17:40 : \____
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>>>
>>>> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>>>
>>> It's a very reasonable estimate. Eee PCs alone sold about 200,000 per
>>> month.
>>
>> I heard 175,000. Whichever it is, it's pretty good news, I agree. But 7
>> has been saying this for ages without any evidence. When anyone asks, he
>> just spews more babytalk.
>>
>>> That's a number of /new/ Linux PCs you can't just sneeze at.
>>
>> But where have the rest come from? A million a month is a very large
>> figure,
>
> Because?

Because it is, idiot.

--
Kier

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:54:55 -0800, Tim Smith wrote:

> In article ,
> Kier wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:44:21 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>> > ____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 17:40 : \____
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>> >>
>> >> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>> >
>> > It's a very reasonable estimate. Eee PCs alone sold about 200,000 per month.
>>
>> I heard 175,000. Whichever it is, it's pretty good news, I agree. But 7
>> has been saying this for ages without any evidence. When anyone asks, he
>> just spews more babytalk.
>
> They projected selling 200k by the end of the year, which had 2.5 months
> left in it when they went on sale. They actually sold about 350k, in
> just over 2 months, which would be 175k a month, so your number looks
> like the right one.
>
> However, that will include a boost from launch month, and a boost from
> Christmas sales, so they probably won't sustain that rate.

Possibly. But it's an excellent start. I'd quite like an Asus myself. My
brother said he'd seen one, and was fairly impressed. It's the sort of
device you could carry about without too much bother, as it's so small and
being solid state is less likely to be damaged by living in a bag or
briefcase. The latest Linux Format mag reviewed it and gave it a general
thumbs-up. But I just lashed out several hundred quid on a 32 inch telly,
so it may have to wait a while :-) By then any quirks are likely to be
ironed out, too.



--
Kier

Net Nanny Kier wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:41:53 +0000, 7 wrote:
>
>> Net Nanny Kier wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:07:26 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Net Nanny Kier wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>>>>
>>>>> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BOLLOCKS TO YOU ASSHOLE!
>>>
>>> Tut, tut. You shouldn't shout, I'm not deaf. I'm not an asshole, either.
>>
>> I can see you genuinely believe that!!!
>
> Naturally. Since I'm not an asshole.
>
>> May be you should seek second opinion?
>
> Nope.
>
>>
>>
>>>> YOU WERE TOLD MANY TIMES TO TOTAL THE PRESS RELEASES FOR 2007!!!
>>>
>>> That isn't proof.
>>
>> Because?
>
> Because *you* have not shown it.

You mean you can't read English!!!?


>>> *You* show the proof, and I'll quite happily believe it.
>>
>> You have read above?
> > Ditto.

No you haven't. You just proved to be asshole
who has no plans to obtain a second opinion!


>>> But in English, not babytalk.
>>
>> That assumes you can read English which you can't because
>> everthing appears to you as babytalk?
>
> Not, it assumes you insist on talking in stupid baby language instead of
> proper English. If you stopped, you might be taken seriously.

By you?

*plonk!*

Net Nanny Kier wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:42:32 +0000, 7 wrote:
>
>> Kier wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:44:21 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> ____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 17:40 : \____
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>>>>
>>>>> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>>>>
>>>> It's a very reasonable estimate. Eee PCs alone sold about 200,000 per
>>>> month.
>>>
>>> I heard 175,000. Whichever it is, it's pretty good news, I agree. But 7
>>> has been saying this for ages without any evidence. When anyone asks, he
>>> just spews more babytalk.
>>>
>>>> That's a number of /new/ Linux PCs you can't just sneeze at.
>>>
>>> But where have the rest come from? A million a month is a very large
>>> figure,
>>
>> Because?
>
> Because it is, idiot.

Says who?

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:21:36 +0000, 7 wrote:

> Net Nanny Kier wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:41:53 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>
>>> Net Nanny Kier wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:07:26 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Net Nanny Kier wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BOLLOCKS TO YOU ASSHOLE!
>>>>
>>>> Tut, tut. You shouldn't shout, I'm not deaf. I'm not an asshole, either.
>>>
>>> I can see you genuinely believe that!!!
>>
>> Naturally. Since I'm not an asshole.
>>
>>> May be you should seek second opinion?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> YOU WERE TOLD MANY TIMES TO TOTAL THE PRESS RELEASES FOR 2007!!!
>>>>
>>>> That isn't proof.
>>>
>>> Because?
>>
>> Because *you* have not shown it.
>
> You mean you can't read English!!!?

Of course I can. But you rarely seem to use it.

>
>
>>>> *You* show the proof, and I'll quite happily believe it.
>>>
>>> You have read above?
>> > Ditto.
>
> No you haven't. You just proved to be asshole
> who has no plans to obtain a second opinion!

Whereas you are just an all-round idiot.

>
>
>>>> But in English, not babytalk.
>>>
>>> That assumes you can read English which you can't because
>>> everthing appears to you as babytalk?
>>
>> Not, it assumes you insist on talking in stupid baby language instead of
>> proper English. If you stopped, you might be taken seriously.
>
> By you?
>
> *plonk!*

Plonker.

--
Kier

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:22:51 +0000, 7 wrote:

> Net Nanny Kier wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:42:32 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>
>>> Kier wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:44:21 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 17:40 : \____
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a very reasonable estimate. Eee PCs alone sold about 200,000 per
>>>>> month.
>>>>
>>>> I heard 175,000. Whichever it is, it's pretty good news, I agree. But 7
>>>> has been saying this for ages without any evidence. When anyone asks, he
>>>> just spews more babytalk.
>>>>
>>>>> That's a number of /new/ Linux PCs you can't just sneeze at.
>>>>
>>>> But where have the rest come from? A million a month is a very large
>>>> figure,
>>>
>>> Because?
>>
>> Because it is, idiot.
>
> Says who?

Weren't you supposed to have plonked me?

--
Kier

On 2007-12-29, Kier claimed:
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:44:21 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> ____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 17:40 : \____
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>>
>>> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>>
>> It's a very reasonable estimate. Eee PCs alone sold about 200,000 per month.
>
> I heard 175,000. Whichever it is, it's pretty good news, I agree. But 7
> has been saying this for ages without any evidence. When anyone asks, he
> just spews more babytalk.
>
>> That's a number of /new/ Linux PCs you can't just sneeze at.
>
> But where have the rest come from? A million a month is a very large
> figure, after all, and it's best to be as accurate as possible, that way
> we can't be criticised for making things up.

How many has gPC been selling? How many Ubuntu machines are being sold
by Dell? How many OLPCs are shipping? How many are individual locaal
shops, and vendors like MadTux, shipping?

Granted, the number might not approach a million a month it total. Or
it might surpass it. But there's no proof either way unless all of the
commercial interests are doing it.

Not that I'm trying to support 7's idiocy, even if he does manage to
almost be as right as a stopped clock. It's just there are a lot being
shipped and/or sold outright.

--
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____/ Sinister Midget on Sunday 30 December 2007 01:53 : \____

> On 2007-12-29, Kier claimed:
>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:44:21 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> ____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 17:40 : \____
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>>>
>>>> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>>>
>>> It's a very reasonable estimate. Eee PCs alone sold about 200,000 per
>>> month.
>>
>> I heard 175,000. Whichever it is, it's pretty good news, I agree. But 7
>> has been saying this for ages without any evidence. When anyone asks, he
>> just spews more babytalk.
>>
>>> That's a number of /new/ Linux PCs you can't just sneeze at.
>>
>> But where have the rest come from? A million a month is a very large
>> figure, after all, and it's best to be as accurate as possible, that way
>> we can't be criticised for making things up.
>
> How many has gPC been selling? How many Ubuntu machines are being sold
> by Dell? How many OLPCs are shipping? How many are individual locaal
> shops, and vendors like MadTux, shipping?

It's Windows PCs that become dual-boot machines or Linux-only which makes up
the majority of the transitions. That cannot be counted.

> Granted, the number might not approach a million a month it total. Or
> it might surpass it. But there's no proof either way unless all of the
> commercial interests are doing it.

LinuxDesktop.com and the Linux Foundation ran surveys that involved desktop
Linux (never mind mobile devices, supercomputers, etc.). The participation
more than doubled compared to the previous year.

> Not that I'm trying to support 7's idiocy, even if he does manage to
> almost be as right as a stopped clock. It's just there are a lot being
> shipped and/or sold outright.

It's just the way '7' says it that has him criticised. His figures makes
perfect sense and they are likely be a lower bound.

Microsoft has been repeatedly criticised for its hypnosis skills. It is able to
do gymnastics with people's perception of the company's wealth. It also feeds
IDC and Gartner some bogus figures that do not tell the true story about Linux
adoption in server. These figures are then spread to spread disinformation
further.

Case of point (posted earlier today):

"You can stand on your head. I cannot accept your word anymore. You have lost
your credibility."

--Judge Sporkin to Microsoft lawyer Richard Urowsky

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____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 21:08 : \____

> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:54:55 -0800, Tim Smith wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> Kier wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:44:21 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>> > ____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 17:40 : \____
>>> >
>>> >> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>> >>
>>> >> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>>> >
>>> > It's a very reasonable estimate. Eee PCs alone sold about 200,000 per
>>> > month.
>>>
>>> I heard 175,000. Whichever it is, it's pretty good news, I agree. But 7
>>> has been saying this for ages without any evidence. When anyone asks, he
>>> just spews more babytalk.
>>
>> They projected selling 200k by the end of the year, which had 2.5 months
>> left in it when they went on sale. They actually sold about 350k, in
>> just over 2 months, which would be 175k a month, so your number looks
>> like the right one.
>>
>> However, that will include a boost from launch month, and a boost from
>> Christmas sales, so they probably won't sustain that rate.
>
> Possibly. But it's an excellent start. I'd quite like an Asus myself. My
> brother said he'd seen one, and was fairly impressed. It's the sort of
> device you could carry about without too much bother, as it's so small and
> being solid state is less likely to be damaged by living in a bag or
> briefcase. The latest Linux Format mag reviewed it and gave it a general
> thumbs-up. But I just lashed out several hundred quid on a 32 inch telly,
> so it may have to wait a while :-) By then any quirks are likely to be
> ironed out, too.
>
>
>

The sales figures from Asus were limited by production capacity. If I recall
correctly, 5 million units were expected to sell next year. These forecasts
were changed and the numbers elevated significantly just before Xmas (I'll
fetch the references if you want). Asus insists that it can dominate 20% of
the laptops market and the Eee PC is bound to become its second most important
product. Vista won't run on the Eee PC any time soon (with reasonable
performance and real attraction).

Don't let Timmy and the Microsoft apologist downplay the significance of this.
They will try very hard.

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____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 23:57 : \____

> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:22:51 +0000, 7 wrote:
>
>> Net Nanny Kier wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:42:32 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kier wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:44:21 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ____/ Kier on Saturday 29 December 2007 17:40 : \____
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:28:55 +0000, 7 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linux is show shipping 1 million new desktops per month and selling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YOu still haven't shown any proof of this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a very reasonable estimate. Eee PCs alone sold about 200,000 per
>>>>>> month.
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard 175,000. Whichever it is, it's pretty good news, I agree. But 7
>>>>> has been saying this for ages without any evidence. When anyone asks, he
>>>>> just spews more babytalk.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a number of /new/ Linux PCs you can't just sneeze at.
>>>>>
>>>>> But where have the rest come from? A million a month is a very large
>>>>> figure,
>>>>
>>>> Because?
>>>
>>> Because it is, idiot.
>>
>> Says who?
>
> Weren't you supposed to have plonked me?

Kerala alone is the home of about 30 million people. Kerala will become a
GNU/Linux state.

That's just Kerala. It isn't even an entire country. Remember all those Russian
schools, Kier? How about those other nations where schools move to GNU/Linux?

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