What Linux programming tools for SQL are there? (MySQL is ported toLinux but that's a language, not a API)

On Dec 27, 1:58*pm, Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Dec 26, 6:29 pm, raylopez99 <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Dec 26, 1:31 pm, Rex Ballard
>
> I use BOTH Windows AND Linux. *My Z61P runs both Linux and Windows
> using virtualization. *My T40 runs Linux exclusively.
>[/color]

OK, thanks. If you know of any decent development tools for C++ with
an emphasis on SQL language I might give Linux a whirl. I'm learning
SQL programming now, and it seems the emphasis is on the GUI front end
rather than the ANSI-standard SQL back end (Microsoft has excellent
GUIs/APIs in the Access 2003 (Visual Basic) and SQL Server 2005
(C#.NET) languages, which is pretty cute), so I'm curious what whiz-
bang GUI/API the Linux folks use for the front end...I notice even
Oracle uses their own programming API/language for their version of
SQL. ..maybe I'll make this a seperate thread.

RL

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:09:09 -0800, raylopez99 wrote:
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> On Dec 27, 1:58Â*pm, Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Dec 26, 6:29 pm, raylopez99 <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Dec
>> 26, 1:31 pm, Rex Ballard
>>
>> I use BOTH Windows AND Linux. Â*My Z61P runs both Linux and Windows
>> using virtualization. Â*My T40 runs Linux exclusively.
>>
>>[/color]
> OK, thanks. If you know of any decent development tools for C++ with an
> emphasis on SQL language I might give Linux a whirl. I'm learning SQL
> programming now, and it seems the emphasis is on the GUI front end
> rather than the ANSI-standard SQL back end (Microsoft has excellent
> GUIs/APIs in the Access 2003 (Visual Basic) and SQL Server 2005 (C#.NET)
> languages, which is pretty cute), so I'm curious what whiz- bang GUI/API
> the Linux folks use for the front end...I notice even Oracle uses their
> own programming API/language for their version of SQL. ..maybe I'll make
> this a seperate thread.
>
> RL[/color]



Maybe you should ask in a related technical group.

--
Rick

"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:13nahbksq49lc5d@news.supernews.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:09:09 -0800, raylopez99 wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Dec 27, 1:58 pm, Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Dec 26, 6:29 pm, raylopez99 <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Dec
>>> 26, 1:31 pm, Rex Ballard
>>>
>>> I use BOTH Windows AND Linux. My Z61P runs both Linux and Windows
>>> using virtualization. My T40 runs Linux exclusively.
>>>
>>>[/color]
>> OK, thanks. If you know of any decent development tools for C++ with an
>> emphasis on SQL language I might give Linux a whirl. I'm learning SQL
>> programming now, and it seems the emphasis is on the GUI front end
>> rather than the ANSI-standard SQL back end (Microsoft has excellent
>> GUIs/APIs in the Access 2003 (Visual Basic) and SQL Server 2005 (C#.NET)
>> languages, which is pretty cute), so I'm curious what whiz- bang GUI/API
>> the Linux folks use for the front end...I notice even Oracle uses their
>> own programming API/language for their version of SQL. ..maybe I'll make
>> this a seperate thread.
>>
>> RL[/color]
>
>
>
> Maybe you should ask in a related technical group.
>
> --
> Rick[/color]

Right! Because people that advocate Linux use would have absolutely no idea
what programming tools to use on the OS they advocate to accomplish your
goal.

I wonder if they've heard of GIMP in here? After all, the newsgroup doesn't
mention graphics apps.

jim

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:06:10 -0500, jim wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:13nahbksq49lc5d@news.supernews.com...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:09:09 -0800, raylopez99 wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On Dec 27, 1:58 pm, Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Dec 26, 6:29 pm, raylopez99 <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Dec
>>>> 26, 1:31 pm, Rex Ballard
>>>>
>>>> I use BOTH Windows AND Linux. My Z61P runs both Linux and Windows
>>>> using virtualization. My T40 runs Linux exclusively.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> OK, thanks. If you know of any decent development tools for C++ with
>>> an emphasis on SQL language I might give Linux a whirl. I'm learning
>>> SQL programming now, and it seems the emphasis is on the GUI front end
>>> rather than the ANSI-standard SQL back end (Microsoft has excellent
>>> GUIs/APIs in the Access 2003 (Visual Basic) and SQL Server 2005
>>> (C#.NET) languages, which is pretty cute), so I'm curious what whiz-
>>> bang GUI/API the Linux folks use for the front end...I notice even
>>> Oracle uses their own programming API/language for their version of
>>> SQL. ..maybe I'll make this a seperate thread.
>>>
>>> RL[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe you should ask in a related technical group.
>>
>> --
>> Rick[/color]
>
> Right! Because people that advocate Linux use would have absolutely no
> idea what programming tools to use on the OS they advocate to accomplish
> your goal.
>
> I wonder if they've heard of GIMP in here? After all, the newsgroup
> doesn't mention graphics apps.
>
> jim[/color]

Wow... was that sarcasm? Hmmmm...
Gee, I though to get answers about programming, you might sak in a
programming group. No? Wow.

Besides, he has proved, and stated, he doesn't really want answers.



--
Rick

"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:13nakga66r3uk57@news.supernews.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:06:10 -0500, jim wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:13nahbksq49lc5d@news.supernews.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:09:09 -0800, raylopez99 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 27, 1:58 pm, Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 26, 6:29 pm, raylopez99 <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Dec
>>>>> 26, 1:31 pm, Rex Ballard
>>>>>
>>>>> I use BOTH Windows AND Linux. My Z61P runs both Linux and Windows
>>>>> using virtualization. My T40 runs Linux exclusively.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> OK, thanks. If you know of any decent development tools for C++ with
>>>> an emphasis on SQL language I might give Linux a whirl. I'm learning
>>>> SQL programming now, and it seems the emphasis is on the GUI front end
>>>> rather than the ANSI-standard SQL back end (Microsoft has excellent
>>>> GUIs/APIs in the Access 2003 (Visual Basic) and SQL Server 2005
>>>> (C#.NET) languages, which is pretty cute), so I'm curious what whiz-
>>>> bang GUI/API the Linux folks use for the front end...I notice even
>>>> Oracle uses their own programming API/language for their version of
>>>> SQL. ..maybe I'll make this a seperate thread.
>>>>
>>>> RL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe you should ask in a related technical group.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick[/color]
>>
>> Right! Because people that advocate Linux use would have absolutely no
>> idea what programming tools to use on the OS they advocate to accomplish
>> your goal.
>>
>> I wonder if they've heard of GIMP in here? After all, the newsgroup
>> doesn't mention graphics apps.
>>
>> jim[/color]
>
> Wow... was that sarcasm? Hmmmm...
> Gee, I though to get answers about programming, you might sak in a
> programming group. No? Wow.
>
> Besides, he has proved, and stated, he doesn't really want answers.[/color]

What exactly is the purpose of this newsgroup?

jim

jim wrote:
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> What exactly is the purpose of this newsgroup?[/color]

*plonk*

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.28.20.01.30.321040@nospam.invalid...[color=blue]
> jim wrote:
>[color=green]
>> What exactly is the purpose of this newsgroup?[/color]
>
> *plonk*[/color]

lol

And I thought it was to promote Linux solutions for computing....

Linux + Advocacy = ban on discussions of Linux solutions?

And, some wonder why it is always "next year" as the year Linux will finally
break through and Challenge Microsoft.

jim

Micoshaft's Asstroturfer raylopez99 wrote on behalf of Micoshaft
Corporation:
[color=blue]
> On Dec 27, 1:58*pm, Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Dec 26, 6:29 pm, raylopez99 <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Dec 26,
>> 1:31 pm, Rex Ballard
>>
>> I use BOTH Windows AND Linux. *My Z61P runs both Linux and Windows
>> using virtualization. *My T40 runs Linux exclusively.
>>[/color]
>
> OK, thanks. If you know of any decent development tools for C++ with
> an emphasis on SQL language I might give Linux a whirl. I'm learning
> SQL programming now, and it seems the emphasis is on the GUI front end
> rather than the ANSI-standard SQL back end (Microsoft has excellent
> GUIs/APIs in the Access 2003 (Visual Basic) and SQL Server 2005
> (C#.NET) languages, which is pretty cute), so I'm curious what whiz-
> bang GUI/API the Linux folks use for the front end...I notice even
> Oracle uses their own programming API/language for their version of
> SQL. ..maybe I'll make this a seperate thread.
>
> RL[/color]


Oh man oh man! You need to UN-LEARN a LOT of micoshaft drivel before you
can learn Linux and talk sense in a Linux newsgroup.

Why go to such lengths to output so much micoshaft drivel?

With something like Ubuntu Linux [url]http://www.ubuntu.com[/url] ,
use Gambas which comes with everything built
in and if you need something extra write a C++ module
and compile with gcc to do your bidding and shell it from within Gambas.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:54:34 -0500, jim wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:13nakga66r3uk57@news.supernews.com...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:06:10 -0500, jim wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:13nahbksq49lc5d@news.supernews.com...
>>>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:09:09 -0800, raylopez99 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 27, 1:58 pm, Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Dec 26, 6:29 pm, raylopez99 <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On
>>>>>> Dec 26, 1:31 pm, Rex Ballard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use BOTH Windows AND Linux. My Z61P runs both Linux and Windows
>>>>>> using virtualization. My T40 runs Linux exclusively.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> OK, thanks. If you know of any decent development tools for C++
>>>>> with an emphasis on SQL language I might give Linux a whirl. I'm
>>>>> learning SQL programming now, and it seems the emphasis is on the
>>>>> GUI front end rather than the ANSI-standard SQL back end (Microsoft
>>>>> has excellent GUIs/APIs in the Access 2003 (Visual Basic) and SQL
>>>>> Server 2005 (C#.NET) languages, which is pretty cute), so I'm
>>>>> curious what whiz- bang GUI/API the Linux folks use for the front
>>>>> end...I notice even Oracle uses their own programming API/language
>>>>> for their version of SQL. ..maybe I'll make this a seperate thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> RL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you should ask in a related technical group.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rick
>>>
>>> Right! Because people that advocate Linux use would have absolutely
>>> no idea what programming tools to use on the OS they advocate to
>>> accomplish your goal.
>>>
>>> I wonder if they've heard of GIMP in here? After all, the newsgroup
>>> doesn't mention graphics apps.
>>>
>>> jim[/color]
>>
>> Wow... was that sarcasm? Hmmmm...
>> Gee, I though to get answers about programming, you might sak in a
>> programming group. No? Wow.
>>
>> Besides, he has proved, and stated, he doesn't really want answers.[/color]
>
> What exactly is the purpose of this newsgroup?
>[/color]
To compare Linux with various operating systems...

.... and he has proved, and stated, he doesn't really want answers.



--
Rick

OK, I read the first eight replies, and agree with jim: why are we
here? What is the purpose of this newsgroup? Nobody seems to know
anything.

Seven points me to a general website and says "it's in there". Right
(wrong).

RL

Micoshaft Corporation's Asstroturfer raylopez99 wrote on behalf of Micoshaft
Corporation:
[color=blue]
> OK, I read the first eight replies, and agree with jim: why are we
> here? What is the purpose of this newsgroup? Nobody seems to know
> anything.
>
> Seven points me to a general website and says "it's in there". Right
> (wrong).[/color]


Stop spliffing and read the COLA faq you dumb ass!!!

[color=blue]
> RL[/color]

"7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
news:hEedj.69436$c_1.48384@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...[color=blue]
> Micoshaft Corporation's Asstroturfer raylopez99 wrote on behalf of
> Micoshaft
> Corporation:
>[color=green]
>> OK, I read the first eight replies, and agree with jim: why are we
>> here? What is the purpose of this newsgroup? Nobody seems to know
>> anything.
>>
>> Seven points me to a general website and says "it's in there". Right
>> (wrong).[/color]
>
>
> Stop spliffing and read the COLA faq you dumb ass!!![/color]

According to the COLA FAQ (at
[url]http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/[/url] ) " COLA is like a
meeting hall for Linux advocacy. A place where those who advocate the use of
Linux can meet and discuss all things Linux. In addition it is a place were
individuals interested in Linux can come to gain an understanding of the
Linux and the Linux community and to learn about the capabilities of Linux
from those who are experienced with the use, administration, and development
of Linux."

And, it continues to say "The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is: For
discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating systems.
That single sentence is the one and only charter of the newsgroup
comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is for the newsgroup as a
place for supporters of Linux to gather to discuss Linux, for the betterment
of the Linux community and the promotion and development of Linux. It
supports this as a place for those who would like to learn more about Linux
to come to learn from those who know Linux. It does not call for it to be a
place where the anti-Linux propagandists to gather in order to discredit
Linux."

It continues...."On-topic is anything anything regarding Linux that is of
interest to a person who advocates the use of Linux, or requests for
information about Linux by a person who would like to learn about it. COLA
is also a great place to share your Linux success stories."

The original poster had asked about Linux technologies used to develop
applications on Linux becease the OP was considering giving Linux a try.

So, it would seem that the OP's queries as to what Linux tools there are for
a particular task would be covered under the phrases "The newsgroup's
charter is for the newsgroup as a place for supporters of Linux to gather to
discuss Linux, for the betterment of the Linux community and the promotion
and development of Linux.", "It supports this as a place for those who would
like to learn more about Linux to come to learn from those who know Linux."
and lastly "On-topic is anything anything regarding Linux that is of
interest to a person who advocates the use of Linux, or requests for
information about Linux by a person who would like to learn about it."

The OP's queries seem to be spot on accoring to the sacred COLA
FAQ......dumb ass.

jim

I hadn't run into Ray before and accepted him at his word.

jim

"Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
news:0Zedj.54418$L%6.28330@bignews3.bellsouth.net...[color=blue]
>* jim fired off this tart reply:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> *plonk*[/color]
>>
>> And, some wonder why it is always "next year" as the year Linux will
>> finally
>> break through and Challenge Microsoft.[/color]
>
> raylopez99 is a troll. He is not interested in any kind of solution,
> whatsoever.
>
> --
> Tux rox![/color]

* jim fired off this tart reply:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> *plonk*[/color]
>
> And, some wonder why it is always "next year" as the year Linux will finally
> break through and Challenge Microsoft.[/color]

raylopez99 is a troll. He is not interested in any kind of solution,
whatsoever.

--
Tux rox!

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:53:14 -0800, raylopez99 wrote:
[color=blue]
> OK, I read the first eight replies, and agree with jim: why are we
> here? What is the purpose of this newsgroup? Nobody seems to know
> anything.[/color]

You're just here to troll. Most of the rest of us are here to advocate.

--
Kier

* jim fired off this tart reply:
[color=blue]
> The OP's queries seem to be spot on accoring to the sacred COLA
> FAQ......dumb ass.[/color]

Technically, yes.

Unfortunately, he asks his question only as a platform to jeer at Linux,
not to learn anything.

Just look at Subject:, for one thing.

--
Tux rox!

* jim fired off this tart reply:
[color=blue]
> I hadn't run into Ray before and accepted him at his word.[/color]

He's been here awhile this go-round. I think he even admitted in one
post he just wanted to "learn Linux" so he could laugh at it.

The problem is someone like you comes in and sees a small time-slice of
the action and gets the wrong impression.

--
Tux rox!

On Dec 28, 1:09 pm, raylopez99 <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Dec 27, 1:58 pm, RexBallard<rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote:[color=green]
> > On Dec 26, 6:29 pm, raylopez99 <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On Dec 26, 1:31 pm, RexBallard[/color]
>[color=green]
> > I use BOTH Windows AND Linux. My Z61P runs both Linux and Windows
> > using virtualization. My T40 runs Linux exclusively.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> OK, thanks. If you know of any decent development tools for C++ with
> an emphasis on SQL language I might give Linux a whirl.[/color]

Actually, there are several competing applications, and, as I have
implied before, competition is good, because it tends to lead to
better solutions and options oriented to different needs.
[color=blue]
> I'm learning SQL programming now, and it seems the emphasis
> is on the GUI front end rather than the ANSI-standard SQL back
> end (Microsoft has excellent GUIs/APIs in the Access 2003 (Visual Basic)[/color]

Take a good look at Open Office Base. It's not quite as snazzy as
Access, but it does make it possible to use a GUI interface to
generate tables, views, schemas, and even reports using a graphical
user interface. Even better, it actually DOES generate industry
standard SQL and can be used with several ODBC or JDBC compatible
databases, including MySQL, PostgreSQL, DB2, Oracle, Sybase, and of
course, SQL Server.
[color=blue]
> and SQL Server 2005 (C#.NET) languages,[/color]

You might want to look at PHP, but there is also mono, which is an
industry standard and portable form of C#. Even better, if you like
Java, which is an industry standard language that is WIDELY used
throughout the ENTIRE IT industry, on practically EVERY platform,
there are some excellent tools, including Eclipse, and a number of
specialized Eclipse Plug-ins. There is even the C++ Development Tool
kit (CDT) plug-in for Eclipse.

There is also Kdevelop, and there are also commercial toolkits
provided by IBM, Oracle, and Borland, all of which offer Linux
versions. Many include free evaluation copies for new developers and
students.

Sun also has a Java development environment, I don't have any
experience with it, but I've heard good things about it from others.
[color=blue]
> which is pretty cute), so I'm curious what whiz-
> bang GUI/API the Linux folks use for the front end...I notice even
> Oracle uses their own programming API/language for their version of
> SQL. ..maybe I'll make this a seperate thread.[/color]

There are actually a number of tools, but many of them are commercial
versions, available for Linux. Many are available for evaluation
downloads, and there are even student versions available, if you are
seriously interested.

There are also a number of Open Source packages that are also worth
looking at, in addition to the ones listed above. MySQL, for example,
has a GUI interface tool kit, that is included with most Linux
distributions.

[url]http://search.techrepublic.com.com/search/IDE+and+SQL+and+environment.html[/url]

Ultimate++ IDE
NetBeans

[url]http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Devtools/ides.html[/url]

There are almost 200 IDEs for Linux on that page, but Amy and Eclipse
look pretty good.

You can also look at Rational Application Developer, Rational Software
Architect, and Rational System Developer. There are also good tools
for WebSphere, and WebLogic.

There are also some good toolkits that allow integration of SQL. Look
at PHP, PERL, Python, Ruby on RAILS, and Zope. These are toolkits
that let you combine standard SQL databases with advanced languages.
In addition, there are a number of toolkits that allow you to generate
applications using graphical tools.

You might want to look at the quality of education you are getting, if
the teacher is ONLY teaching you Databases using the Access GUI
interfaces. Access can be a useful teaching tool, but it does not
generate industry standard SQL unless you are very careful (Legal
field names, validations, et al).

The same objective can be accomplished using Open Office BASE.

Hopefully, your teacher will be taking your class beyond Access and
into the fundamentals, principles, and practices required to design
and implement efficient and reliable relational databases that are
large and more complex than some trivial demo store.

One of the big problems with Access is that people do a little work on
a trivial 3-5 table database and think they are a DBA. Even simple
corporate databases often have 20-30 tables of 10-20 fields each,
including normalization. Even worse, there are foreign key
relationships, but they have been removed from the "production"
databases for performance reasons. Then one of these junior DBAs who
only know access get lost trying to understand the complex web of
relationships when things go wrong.
[color=blue]
> RL[/color]

On Dec 28, 11:01 pm, Linonut <lino...@bollsouth.nut> wrote:[color=blue]
> * jim fired off this tart reply:[color=green]
> > The OP's queries seem to be spot on accoring to the sacred COLA
> > FAQ......dumb ass.[/color]
>
> Technically, yes.
>
> Unfortunately, he asks his question only as a platform to jeer at Linux,
> not to learn anything.[/color]

This may be true, but by actually responding to the question, as I did
to the main thread, it's possible to answer a legitimate question that
IS being asked by many non-IT people.

Most DBAs know multiple databases, on multiple platforms. It's pretty
much a requirement of the job. It's also pretty much a requirement to
be able to write standard scripts in portable SQL, as well as
understanding how to "tune" queries and inserts to improve
performance.
[color=blue]
> Just look at Subject:, for one thing.[/color]

He probably doesn't realize that MySQL is one of the most widely
supported APIs in the industry, with API kits for practically every
language, application type, and IDE toolkit.
[color=blue]
> Tux rox![/color]

On Dec 29, 12:28*am, Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote:


Took a quick look at your links, and they are generally windows APIs
with an emphasis on cross-platform; nothing wrong with that, but I
just note that fact (that they also target Windows).
[url]http://search.techrepublic.com.com/search/IDE+and+SQL+and+environment.html[/url]
[color=blue]
> You can also look at Rational Application Developer, Rational Software
> Architect, and Rational System Developer. *There are also good tools
> for WebSphere, and WebLogic.
>
> There are also some good toolkits that allow integration of SQL. *Look
> at PHP, PERL, Python, Ruby on RAILS, and Zope. *These are toolkits
> that let you combine standard SQL databases with advanced languages.
> In addition, there are a number of toolkits that allow you to generate
> applications using graphical tools.
>
> You might want to look at the quality of education you are getting, if
> the teacher is ONLY teaching you Databases using the Access GUI
> interfaces. *Access can be a useful teaching tool, but it does not
> generate industry standard SQL unless you are very careful (Legal
> field names, validations, et al).[/color]

Yes. My teacher is me. I note your SQL concerns, as they are valid.
[color=blue]
>
> The same objective can be accomplished using Open Office BASE.
>
> Hopefully, your teacher will be taking your class beyond Access and
> into the fundamentals, principles, and practices required to design
> and implement efficient and reliable relational databases that are
> large and more complex than some trivial demo store.
>[/color]

Yes. Third Normal Form and the like. I've visited the experts at
comp.databases.theory and know this stuff (at a first order level).

[color=blue]
> One of the big problems with Access is that people do a little work on
> a trivial 3-5 table database and think they are a DBA. *Even simple
> corporate databases often have 20-30 tables of 10-20 fields each,
> including normalization. *Even worse, there are foreign key
> relationships, but they have been removed from the "production"
> databases for performance reasons. *Then one of these junior DBAs who
> only know access get lost trying to understand the complex web of
> relationships when things go wrong.
>[/color]

Interesting. I thank you for your input. I am curious why somebody
would revmove foreign key relationships, unless of course you don't
plan to add any more data to the dB, and it's "read only".

Anyway, back to using Windows since it appears porting to Linux is for
serious hard-core coders (which I'm not--I just code for fun).

RL