[News] (Part of) GNOME Foundation Still Accused of Helping Microsoft Monopoly

With Friends Like These - GNOME, OOXML, and ODF: A Q&A

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| On the first of this month, after reading about the original dispute between
| ODF advocates and representatives from the GNOME community,
`----

[url]http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/11/29/gnome_odf/[/url]

Eyes on Novell employees (or former employees) like de Icaza and Jody Goldberg.
Some say that they Microsoft shills.


Related:

Gnome foundation in kahoots?

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| summary:
|
| Having a delegate in the ECMA T45 Committee the Gnome foundation clarified
| its involvement in a superb standard development and bashes the vendor.
|
| [...]
|
| The Gnome foundation actively participated in the ECMA fast-tracking of Open
| XML as a sock puppet for Novell. Now the Foundation clarified its position
| that came under recent criticism. Â*
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[url]http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-28290/gnome-foundation-in-kahoots[/url]


GNOME Foundation defends OOXML involvement

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| Instead, I suspect that many in the community would agree with Ossendryver's
| statement on his blog that "The participation of GNOME in ECMA TC45’s
| apparent subversion of the standards process is a major disservice to FOSS
| and all in the community who have worked so hard for open platforms and open
| standards." From this position, what matters is loyalty -- and that, for
| many, seems to mean support only for ODF and a complete boycott of any
| efforts to make OOXML a standard. Far from clarifying matters, the
| Foundation's statement may very well serve only to confirm this position and
| to justify the paranoia about its motives. Â* Â* Â* Â*
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[url]http://www.linux.com/feature/121930[/url]

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> espoused:[color=blue]
> With Friends Like These - GNOME, OOXML, and ODF: A Q&A
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
>| On the first of this month, after reading about the original dispute between
>| ODF advocates and representatives from the GNOME community,
> `----
>
> [url]http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/11/29/gnome_odf/[/url]
>
> Eyes on Novell employees (or former employees) like de Icaza and Jody Goldberg.
> Some say that they Microsoft shills.
>[/color]

Novell is looking more and more like another SCO.

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Mark Kent wrote:
[color=blue]
> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> espoused:[color=green]
>> With Friends Like These - GNOME, OOXML, and ODF: A Q&A
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| On the first of this month, after reading about the original dispute
>>| between ODF advocates and representatives from the GNOME community,
>> `----
>>
>> [url]http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/11/29/gnome_odf/[/url]
>>
>> Eyes on Novell employees (or former employees) like de Icaza and Jody
>> Goldberg. Some say that they Microsoft shills.
>>[/color]
>
> Novell is looking more and more like another SCO.
>[/color]

You are looking more and more like a brainless twat
--
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____/ Peter Köhlmann on Monday 03 December 2007 08:13 : \____
[color=blue]
> Mark Kent wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> espoused:[color=darkred]
>>> With Friends Like These - GNOME, OOXML, and ODF: A Q&A
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>| On the first of this month, after reading about the original dispute
>>>| between ODF advocates and representatives from the GNOME community,
>>> `----
>>>
>>> [url]http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/11/29/gnome_odf/[/url]
>>>
>>> Eyes on Novell employees (or former employees) like de Icaza and Jody
>>> Goldberg. Some say that they Microsoft shills.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Novell is looking more and more like another SCO.
>>[/color]
>
> You are looking more and more like a brainless twat[/color]

SCO were very, very different. Nonetheless, Novell is clearly making some moves
that help Microsoft and it's even dividing the GNOME Foundation on some
issues. I'll do an audio session with linux.com/Slashdot this Wednesday and
discuss this.

Bear in mind that Jody Goldberg left Novell just a few months ago. de Icaza was
the president of the GNOME Foundation until a few weeks ago. Microsoft seems
to be using the Novell component of the Foundation to get an ISO and hurt ODF.
Don't ask me. Ask others who have similar feelings.

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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:16:42 +0000, Mark Kent wrote:
[color=blue]
> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> espoused:[color=green]
>> With Friends Like These - GNOME, OOXML, and ODF: A Q&A
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| On the first of this month, after reading about the original dispute between
>>| ODF advocates and representatives from the GNOME community,
>> `----
>>
>> [url]http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/11/29/gnome_odf/[/url]
>>
>> Eyes on Novell employees (or former employees) like de Icaza and Jody Goldberg.
>> Some say that they Microsoft shills.
>>[/color]
>
> Novell is looking more and more like another SCO.[/color]

Oh do be sensible, Mark. It looks like nothing of the kind. Take off your
tinfoil hat for a while and get out into the fresh air, for goodness sake.

--
Kier

Roy Schestowitz wrote:
[color=blue]
> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Monday 03 December 2007 08:13 : \____
>[color=green]
>> Mark Kent wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> espoused:
>>>> With Friends Like These - GNOME, OOXML, and ODF: A Q&A
>>>>
>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>| On the first of this month, after reading about the original dispute
>>>>| between ODF advocates and representatives from the GNOME community,
>>>> `----
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/11/29/gnome_odf/[/url]
>>>>
>>>> Eyes on Novell employees (or former employees) like de Icaza and Jody
>>>> Goldberg. Some say that they Microsoft shills.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Novell is looking more and more like another SCO.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> You are looking more and more like a brainless twat[/color]
>
> SCO were very, very different. Nonetheless, Novell is clearly making some
> moves that help Microsoft and it's even dividing the GNOME Foundation on
> some issues.[/color]

So what? Those are real people, and real people tend to have different
opinions. Who was selected god and decide who has the right idea?
[color=blue]
> I'll do an audio session with linux.com/Slashdot this
> Wednesday and discuss this.[/color]

I don't care, as long as there are no *facts* and nothing else
[color=blue]
> Bear in mind that Jody Goldberg left Novell just a few months ago. de
> Icaza was the president of the GNOME Foundation until a few weeks ago.
> Microsoft seems to be using the Novell component of the Foundation to get
> an ISO and hurt ODF. Don't ask me. Ask others who have similar feelings.
>[/color]

I don't care for your "feelings"
Present facts. All that "rumours" and "feelings" is just unsubstantiated
gob****e.
And no, I will not "ask others". They don't post this crap here. You do
--
Law of Probable Dispersal:
Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> espoused:[color=blue]
> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Monday 03 December 2007 08:13 : \____
>[color=green]
>> Mark Kent wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> espoused:
>>>> With Friends Like These - GNOME, OOXML, and ODF: A Q&A
>>>>
>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>| On the first of this month, after reading about the original dispute
>>>>| between ODF advocates and representatives from the GNOME community,
>>>> `----
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/11/29/gnome_odf/[/url]
>>>>
>>>> Eyes on Novell employees (or former employees) like de Icaza and Jody
>>>> Goldberg. Some say that they Microsoft shills.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Novell is looking more and more like another SCO.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> You are looking more and more like a brainless twat[/color]
>
> SCO were very, very different. Nonetheless, Novell is clearly making some moves
> that help Microsoft and it's even dividing the GNOME Foundation on some
> issues. I'll do an audio session with linux.com/Slashdot this Wednesday and
> discuss this.[/color]

Novell most certainly is, I know.
[color=blue]
>
> Bear in mind that Jody Goldberg left Novell just a few months ago. de Icaza was
> the president of the GNOME Foundation until a few weeks ago. Microsoft seems
> to be using the Novell component of the Foundation to get an ISO and hurt ODF.
> Don't ask me. Ask others who have similar feelings.
>[/color]

Divide and conquer is always a viable approach. There are always disloyal
folk who would p*ss on their mates' bonfire if offered enough.

--
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:13:44 +0100, Peter Köhlmann
<peter.koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Mark Kent wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> espoused:[color=darkred]
>>> With Friends Like These - GNOME, OOXML, and ODF: A Q&A
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>| On the first of this month, after reading about the original dispute
>>>| between ODF advocates and representatives from the GNOME community,
>>> `----
>>>
>>> [url]http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/11/29/gnome_odf/[/url]
>>>
>>> Eyes on Novell employees (or former employees) like de Icaza and Jody
>>> Goldberg. Some say that they Microsoft shills.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Novell is looking more and more like another SCO.
>>[/color]
>
>You are looking more and more like a brainless twat[/color]

Peter, the mentally ill deserve our support.
Harsh words, no matter how accurate, are not helping matters.

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:00:24 +0000, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:

[color=blue]
>SCO were very, very different. Nonetheless, Novell is clearly making some moves
>that help Microsoft and it's even dividing the GNOME Foundation on some
>issues. I'll do an audio session with linux.com/Slashdot this Wednesday and
>discuss this.[/color]

OMG!

I can't wait to hear this one.
My only question is how you get the cups and string across the
channel?

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:23:13 +0000, Kier <vallon@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:16:42 +0000, Mark Kent wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> espoused:[color=darkred]
>>> With Friends Like These - GNOME, OOXML, and ODF: A Q&A
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>| On the first of this month, after reading about the original dispute between
>>>| ODF advocates and representatives from the GNOME community,
>>> `----
>>>
>>> [url]http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/11/29/gnome_odf/[/url]
>>>
>>> Eyes on Novell employees (or former employees) like de Icaza and Jody Goldberg.
>>> Some say that they Microsoft shills.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Novell is looking more and more like another SCO.[/color]
>
>Oh do be sensible, Mark. It looks like nothing of the kind. Take off your
>tinfoil hat for a while and get out into the fresh air, for goodness sake.[/color]

Tinfoil hat?
Mark Kent has a full brass body suit complete with tunable tank coils
set to reject certain frequencies.
As soon as he figures out how to get the flux capacitor working, he
will be completely immune for black helicopters, men in black suits
from Microsoft and little green men from Mars.

flatfish wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:23:13 +0000, Kier <vallon@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:16:42 +0000, Mark Kent wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> espoused:
>>>> With Friends Like These - GNOME, OOXML, and ODF: A Q&A
>>>>
>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> | On the first of this month, after reading about the original dispute between
>>>> | ODF advocates and representatives from the GNOME community,
>>>> `----
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/11/29/gnome_odf/[/url]
>>>>
>>>> Eyes on Novell employees (or former employees) like de Icaza and Jody Goldberg.
>>>> Some say that they Microsoft shills.
>>>>
>>> Novell is looking more and more like another SCO.[/color]
>> Oh do be sensible, Mark. It looks like nothing of the kind. Take off your
>> tinfoil hat for a while and get out into the fresh air, for goodness sake.[/color]
>
> Tinfoil hat?
> Mark Kent has a full brass body suit complete with tunable tank coils
> set to reject certain frequencies.
> As soon as he figures out how to get the flux capacitor working, he
> will be completely immune for black helicopters, men in black suits
> from Microsoft and little green men from Mars.[/color]
Much like your perceived immunity to reality?

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