Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:

> Greenpeace: Vista could trigger a deluge of electronic waste

I don't think Siân Berry has much to worry about, given Vista's
rather lacklustre uptake.

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..----
| "Future archaeologists will be able to identify a 'Vista Upgrade
| Layer' when they go through our landfill sites." - Siân Berry,
| Green Party. http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2851
`----

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____/ [H]omer on Thursday 29 November 2007 07:18 : \____

> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>
>> Greenpeace: Vista could trigger a deluge of electronic waste
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Make that binary waste. It takes some ops to format the HDD and install
something usable like BSD, Linux, or even OpenSolaris and that teletubby thing
with IE, Solitaire and fragmentation utilities for FAT.

> I don't think Siân Berry has much to worry about, given Vista's
> rather lacklustre uptake.

They used to mention Vista every other month. No word for a long time. It
figures. The same goes for the BadVista blog.

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* [H]omer fired off this tart reply:

> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>
>> Greenpeace: Vista could trigger a deluge of electronic waste
>
> I don't think Siân Berry has much to worry about, given Vista's
> rather lacklustre uptake.

But but... Microsoft has 80 million license sales in hand!

Although Vista is in use at work, on some big-ass (17") Acer laptops, I
was talking to a guy at an oyster roast. He bought a computer for
around $400-500. It had Vista, and it had problems. He said they
finally figured out he needed to buy a different graphics card,
something like $150. He said to hell with it, returned the computer,
and went back to his MacBook.

Just a personal Vista anecdote.

But hell, I don't even like XP. And Vista! Furgeddaboudit!

I will never buy a pre-loaded system again, even if I have to go no-name
to do it. (Exception: wife want a new machine, and still wants
Windoze, even as she hears about Vista -- we'll see).

--
Tux rox!

* Roy Schestowitz fired off this tart reply:

> They used to mention Vista every other month. No word for a long time. It
> figures. The same goes for the BadVista blog.

http://badvista.fsf.org/logos/BadVista_no_littering.png

Vista: So bad that Badvista.fsf.org is not needed.

Actually, even though SP1 doesn't promise any real performance boost,
I'm sure it will fix a few problems, and uptake will creep back up.

Not that I have to worry. We won't be adopting Vista at work anytime
soon. And we don't have to worry about this, we're not paying for this
stuff:

http://www.nmcistinks.com/

We will be waiting with baited breath as the promised "tech refresh"
rolls out. If it ever does. Many of the early deployment sites are
well into four years on their hardware. This is hardware that was two
years out of date when they originally received it. Of course Windows
2000 is going into it's seventh year of life, long ago eclipsed by
Windows XP and soon to be further antiqued by Windows Vista.
Inquiring minds would love to see the check that EDS writes to
Microsoft every year for almost exclusive support of the outdated
Windows 2000.

--
Tux rox!

Linonut writes:

> * [H]omer fired off this tart reply:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>>
>>> Greenpeace: Vista could trigger a deluge of electronic waste
>>
>> I don't think Siân Berry has much to worry about, given Vista's
>> rather lacklustre uptake.
>
> But but... Microsoft has 80 million license sales in hand!
>
> Although Vista is in use at work, on some big-ass (17") Acer laptops, I
> was talking to a guy at an oyster roast. He bought a computer for
> around $400-500. It had Vista, and it had problems. He said they
> finally figured out he needed to buy a different graphics card,

They almost certainly figured wrong. WOuld you like to tell us which
computer this was and what gfx card did not have Windows support? But,
WAIT A MINUTE!!!! Surely that is the problem of the gfx card
manufacturers? Make up your mind!


> something like $150. He said to hell with it, returned the computer,
> and went back to his MacBook.
>
> Just a personal Vista anecdote.

Except it's not. It's third party. With no evidence. As usual.

>
> But hell, I don't even like XP. And Vista! Furgeddaboudit!
>
> I will never buy a pre-loaded system again, even if I have to go no-name
> to do it. (Exception: wife want a new machine, and still wants
> Windoze, even as she hears about Vista -- we'll see).

--
Olá. Grata, Mara. passe na Vanessa para matar galo.
-- palÃ*ndromo

Linonut wrote:
> * [H]omer fired off this tart reply:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>>
>>> Greenpeace: Vista could trigger a deluge of electronic waste
>>
>> I don't think Siân Berry has much to worry about, given Vista's
>> rather lacklustre uptake.
>
> But but... Microsoft has 80 million license sales in hand!

Aye! Amazing (the amount period, not the amount considering the cola
idiots lies about Vista)



> I will never buy a pre-loaded system again, even if I have to go
> no-name to do it.

Same here. It's more fun to build anyway.


> (Exception: wife want a new machine, and still wants
> Windoze, even as she hears about Vista -- we'll see).

Build her a small-case, micro-ATX system (these prices include shipping):

CPU: Intel C2D, $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116037

CPU cooler: Zalman, $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835118114 (get her
one of these bad boys and she'll know you're a man among men)

mobo: ASRock, 4gb max memory, micro-ATX, $56
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157113

disk: Seagate 120gb SATA, $53
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148161

power supply: 360 watt PCPower/Cooling Silencer $58
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703010

2gb memory: Crucial PC5300, $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146571

video card: Gigabyte/ATI Radeon, PCI Express, fanless $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125072

DVD burner: Lite-On, Lightscribe, SATA $35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106073

Case: Thermaltake, small, nice, $93 ($63 if you buy today)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133045

SATA cables, CPU thermal paste: $10

Total: $520

The PC hardware choices are mind-boggling, and www.newegg.com will suck up a
lot of time browsing and trying to decide. FWIW, my advice is to never buy
the cheapest stuff available.

And most importantly, ffs, get her a proper OS. On a system like the one
above, Vista Home Premium/Ultimate will run well, but XP Pro will give you
less trouble with drivers and software availability/compatibility.

Verily I say unto thee, that Linonut spake thusly:

> I will never buy a pre-loaded system again, even if I have to go
> no-name to do it.

I used to think I could avoid the OEM lock-in problem indefinitely, by
simply building my own (which also has the advantage of producing a PC
built to my /exact/ specifications). These days I'm much more inclined
to buy laptops though, making my previous workaround a bit difficult.

Certainly it is possible to buy preinstalled GNU/Linux laptops, but my
choices are much more limited (thank you Microsoft), and of course the
other option is the Windows refund route, which has been successful so
far, for those cases I've read about.

> (Exception: wife want a new machine, and still wants Windoze, even
> as she hears about Vista -- we'll see).

I think $wife is buggy and may need patching.

--
K.
http://slated.org

..----
| "Future archaeologists will be able to identify a 'Vista Upgrade
| Layer' when they go through our landfill sites." - Siân Berry,
| Green Party. http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2851
`----

Fedora release 7 (Moonshine) on sky, running kernel 2.6.22.9-91.fc7
16:51:14 up 17 days, 13:44, 1 user, load average: 0.59, 0.45, 0.45

* DFS fired off this tart reply:

> Linonut wrote:
>
>> (Exception: wife want a new machine, and still wants
>> Windoze, even as she hears about Vista -- we'll see).
>
> Build her a small-case, micro-ATX system (these prices include shipping):

Nah, I expect her XP system to hold her for quite a long time.

She uses it for web-mail, IM, Word, Excel, browsing, and accessing
pine on the Med U's Linux server.

> 2gb memory: Crucial PC5300, $45
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146571

I went for 2x2Gb A-Data DDR2 800. Pretty expensive, $130. G.Skill had
the same for $10 less, with a $40 rebate, but I decided to not bite on
that. Last memory rebate I applied for never came.

Anyway, I get the box, and I open up my 64-bit machine, and pop the old
RAM out, and pop in the new chips.

I power up, and the fan is making this racket. Cheap-ass case flexing,
I guess.

But worse, the mobo starts beeping. Fuh! I dig around for the mobo
manual. After awhile, I find it, and I turn to a page that lists the
validate brands of RAM. I see that the highest stick they have is 1 Gb,
and I'm wondering if I made a baaaaaad mistake.

But, I have a soccer game, so I go to it, stewing on the way there and
back. I say "to hell computers" for the night, very tired.

The next morning, I get the invoice to look at the RMA terms, then I
take another, longer, look at the manual, and I see that the mobo should
be able to handle what I bought.

So I go to the BIOS settings, see that the DRAM clock is set to Auto. I
force it to "DDR 800", and it boots fine. Whew. All in a stew over
nothing.

The fan noise? Twist the case a little, and it is fine .

> Total: $520

That's a bit pricey, What she has now cost about $400. She doesn't
need the extra ooomph at this time.

> The PC hardware choices are mind-boggling, and www.newegg.com will suck up a
> lot of time browsing and trying to decide. FWIW, my advice is to never buy
> the cheapest stuff available.

Yeah, that's why I went with A-Data.

> And most importantly, ffs, get her a proper OS. On a system like the one
> above, Vista Home Premium/Ultimate will run well, but XP Pro will give you
> less trouble with drivers and software availability/compatibility.

She's happy with the system, for the most part. Windows XP (Home) is
fine if all you want to do is browse, email, IM, and do a few documents.


She could actually do everything she does now, with Linux, sigh.

--
Merry Christmas to me!

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:23:18 -0500, Linonut
wrote:

>* [H]omer fired off this tart reply:
>
>> I think $wife is buggy and may need patching.
>
>She is operational and all of her circuits are functioning normally.
>Functioning normally.
>Functioning normally.
>Functioning normally.


Good one.
Glad to see you still have your sense of humor!

* [H]omer fired off this tart reply:

> I think $wife is buggy and may need patching.

She is operational and all of her circuits are functioning normally.
Functioning normally.
Functioning normally.
Functioning normally.

--
Tux rox!

* flatfish fired off this tart reply:

> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:23:18 -0500, Linonut
> wrote:
>
>>* [H]omer fired off this tart reply:
>>
>>> I think $wife is buggy and may need patching.
>>
>>She is operational and all of her circuits are functioning normally.
>>Functioning normally.
>>Functioning normally.
>>Functioning normally.
>
> Good one.
> Glad to see you still have your sense of humor!

Actually, she does need some patching. She's had adhesions and pain in
her rotator cuff that surgery has not cured. She's had eye surgery,
ensuing catarracts, a replacement lens, and is dealing with medicine to
let the iris get back to a normal shape. She's got a suspicious spot in
her breast that is a little ominous. And she's going in for colon
surgery next week. It's been a bad year for her.

But, she still works late and has a good attitude.

--
Tux rox!

"Linonut" wrote in message
news:hUy3j.5102$k27.4920@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>* [H]omer fired off this tart reply:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>>
>>> Greenpeace: Vista could trigger a deluge of electronic waste
>>
>> I don't think Siân Berry has much to worry about, given Vista's
>> rather lacklustre uptake.
>
> But but... Microsoft has 80 million license sales in hand!
>
Old news. Its over 100 million today.

"DFS" wrote in message
news:s1B3j.4563$N67.3918@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Linonut wrote:
>> * [H]omer fired off this tart reply:
>>
>>> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>>>
>>>> Greenpeace: Vista could trigger a deluge of electronic waste
>>>
>>> I don't think Siân Berry has much to worry about, given Vista's
>>> rather lacklustre uptake.
>>
>> But but... Microsoft has 80 million license sales in hand!
>
> Aye! Amazing (the amount period, not the amount considering the cola
> idiots lies about Vista)
>
>
>
>> I will never buy a pre-loaded system again, even if I have to go
>> no-name to do it.
>
> Same here. It's more fun to build anyway.
>
>
>> (Exception: wife want a new machine, and still wants
>> Windoze, even as she hears about Vista -- we'll see).
>
> Build her a small-case, micro-ATX system (these prices include shipping):
>
> CPU: Intel C2D, $75
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116037
>
> CPU cooler: Zalman, $40
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835118114 (get her
> one of these bad boys and she'll know you're a man among men)
>
> mobo: ASRock, 4gb max memory, micro-ATX, $56
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157113
>
> disk: Seagate 120gb SATA, $53
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148161
>
> power supply: 360 watt PCPower/Cooling Silencer $58
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703010
>
> 2gb memory: Crucial PC5300, $45
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146571
>
> video card: Gigabyte/ATI Radeon, PCI Express, fanless $55
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125072
>
> DVD burner: Lite-On, Lightscribe, SATA $35
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106073
>
> Case: Thermaltake, small, nice, $93 ($63 if you buy today)
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133045
>
> SATA cables, CPU thermal paste: $10
>
> Total: $520
>
> The PC hardware choices are mind-boggling, and www.newegg.com will suck up
> a lot of time browsing and trying to decide. FWIW, my advice is to never
> buy the cheapest stuff available.
>
> And most importantly, ffs, get her a proper OS. On a system like the one
> above, Vista Home Premium/Ultimate will run well, but XP Pro will give
> you less trouble with drivers and software availability/compatibility.
>
Or else you could get a Dell 531 without a monitor but with an extra 1GB Ram
(2Gb total) and 250GB HD and Vista Home Premium for $459. Then just take it
all apart and put it back together again to satisfy your lusts. Free
shipping too..
>
>
>

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:07:09 -0500, Linonut
wrote:


>Actually, she does need some patching. She's had adhesions and pain in
>her rotator cuff that surgery has not cured. She's had eye surgery,
>ensuing catarracts, a replacement lens, and is dealing with medicine to
>let the iris get back to a normal shape. She's got a suspicious spot in
>her breast that is a little ominous. And she's going in for colon
>surgery next week. It's been a bad year for her.
>
>But, she still works late and has a good attitude.

Sorry to hear that. I hope all goes well for you and her.
I have a tear in my right rotator cuff. I do therapy twice a week and
it seems to be getting better. Calcium deposits in the joint tore the
cuff up.
Once in a while it swells up and I need a cortisone injection.
Surgery is the last resort in my case.

* Hadron fired off this tart reply:

> Linonut writes:
>> * Hadron fired off this tart reply:
>>
>> I realize you can't help being an insolent jerkwad, but come on dude!
>
> No, Linonut. You told us an anecdote and I want to hear the facts about
> this magical video card which didn't work with Vista.

Just shut the hell up, troll.

Linonut writes:

> * Hadron fired off this tart reply:
>
>> Linonut writes:
>>> * Hadron fired off this tart reply:
>>>
>>> I realize you can't help being an insolent jerkwad, but come on dude!
>>
>> No, Linonut. You told us an anecdote and I want to hear the facts about
>> this magical video card which didn't work with Vista.
>
> Just shut the hell up, troll.
>

So, lets get this right. You tell an anecdote aimed at dissing
Vista. Fine. When asked for more details you clam up and call me the
troll? Oh dear. You really blew this little thread.

--
Se muere de verguenza, no de miedo.
-- Proverbio birmano.

flatfish wrote:

> I have a tear in my right rotator cuff.

Where's the proof?


> I do therapy twice a week and it seems to be getting better.

Where's the proof?


> Calcium deposits in the joint tore the cuff up.

Where's the proof?


> Once in a while it swells up and I need a cortisone injection.

Where's the proof?


> Surgery is the last resort in my case.

Where's the proof?

Linonut wrote:
> * Hadron fired off this tart reply:
>
>> Linonut writes:
>>> * Hadron fired off this tart reply:
>>>
>>> I realize you can't help being an insolent jerkwad, but come on
>>> dude!
>>
>> No, Linonut. You told us an anecdote and I want to hear the facts
>> about this magical video card which didn't work with Vista.
>
> Just shut the hell up, troll.

I want to hear the details, too. Make 'em up if you have to - cola usually
does.